Nah get the cbr1000rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr fireblade sp version
I’m going to say this again. As an owner of the RR, it’s not worth it. The bike is brilliant, more comfortable, has more power than you could feasibly use. I ride it to work, weekend rides and track days. It’s a phenomenal all round bike that’s very comfortable for a sports bike. Slap a titanium akra exhaust on it, flash the ECU (which you can do yourself) and you’ve got yourself nearly a 200hp bike (191BHP at the wheel) for 10k less. More comfortable, awesome looking. Unless you have the money and don’t give a shit and just want a trophy bike (and let’s be real, if that was you, you wouldn’t be here) then get the cheaper bike and live your best life my guy.
RR SP OWNER here perfect balanced bike with all the electronics for the geeks ligtweight and more than enough power when flashed! Like 80% here can even use the 200+ hp the RRR got and believe me its heavier than the sp and sp2.
Good job. Chase did a video year1/2 ago claiming he would do comparisons and n 600cc motorcycles after he did a 650 shootout. He apparently don’t care about newer riders bcuz he doesn’t comment on my requests of when he’ll release the video
@@cdubbrider3740 If you are a new rider and are also looking at anything 600cc and up, you're doing something wrong anyway. A 600cc Supersport is the second last thing you should be looking for as a beginner. 650cc is recommended if your "beginner" mind is mature enough. Anything higher powered is just dumb (for a beginner), because if you looked at any of the R7 videos in this channel you'd know that even that is pleeeenty for even experienced riders.
@@Daniel-dj7fh ur not 100% accurate. As I still consider myself a newer rider bcuz I have so much more 2 learn as a rider. I be had my license 2-3 years and have owned ninja 650 4 a year now. I think a 600 is an adequate learner bike 4 anyone who has common sense a a rider. Not every rider is a throttle head (contrary 2 popular belief). A beginner rider can do the same thing as a 600cc does.
@@cdubbrider3740 Of course a 600cc can ride the same as a 125cc, but most of the people who want to ride bikes want to ride fast or be cool. And therefore a big bike is not a good idea. You said you have had a 650 for a year now, but you also have had 2 year pre experience which doesn't mean you have learned everything. But you are not a fresh beginner anymore. Anyone who is responsible and has the right mind can even start on a 1000cc if they want. But not many have either traits.
@@Daniel-dj7fh yup. My point is that a foolish rider can get hurt on a 125cc if it’s not a 600 tho. So it’s technically not gonna save everyone 4rm riding dumb.
I wish Honda would re-design the 600 rr and then make a ‘RRR’ SP version of that. It would also be really cool if they did a 250 RRR SP that revved to like 20k rpm and made 55-60hp
I personally loved the styling of the RR SP fireblade with the gold wheels and silver frame/swingarm over the current RR-R SP. A gorgeous machine and more capable than I could ever hope to be.
You missed they biggest difference between them. The RR is the old model (first produced in 2017) which is still produced for the US. You don't get the new MY21 "base" model for some reason. It is labelled the CBR1000RR-R. What you have essentially done is compare a first gen BMW S1000RR with an M1000RR.
OC: For my money I'm going with the RR, a trailer, 5 sets of tires and as many track days as I can get. The RR delivers the power in a far more approachable manner and it's output is closer to ideal IMO. In the years that I've been riding, it seems like anything too far over 150bhp makes me more concerned about how the electro nannies are going to react if I go into the next corner too hard for its liking or what the fuel cut will be like if I give it too many beans on corner exit. I'd rather ride hard on a machine that has its handling and traction engineered into it rather than programmed.
This. I can push a 600cc to the max, 1000 is a different breed, needs a good track, and a fkin experienced rider. I'm not getting very much out of RSP, but I appreciate the tech and consider it to be the best 1000cc out there.
IMO the SP is really the answer to Italian's super bikes that are more powerful, may look more aggressive but less reliable. At the end of the day, I will only ride any of the big four from Japan and Honda is the no 1 for me.
@@georgiaguardian4696 Great minds think alike brother, I'm of the same attitude and a total Honda fanboy for the same reason. For me it's Honda and then Suzuki, but cause my old man likes Suzuki lol.
OC: If I had the cash and a track nearby, I’d go with the SP model over trying to build up the regular model. That being said, I don’t have that kind of cash and I’m not much into CBRs but if I were…
So… we made this exact same video lol. The Fireblade was built specifically for WSBK racing, hence the winglets and 215HP. The Blade’s handling is sublime mostly down to the frame, then suspension tbh. 99.9% of riders should get the RR, it’s a great bike with plenty of potential. But the Fireblade feels fantastic ripping off an apex and flickering the TC at a track (as I’ve shown 🙃)
I too had this choice. I bought a new old stock 2019 CBR1000RR-SP. Got the more comfy ride position of the RR, and the fancy electronic ohlins suspension, and titanium bits that make the SP special. And I got it all for 15 grand brand new.
I know it's like apples and oranges but how does that compare to the Hayabusa I have a 2005 I want something smaller for the garage is it more comfortable or the same
A fair comparison would have been the cbr1000rr sp vs the cbr1000rrr sp. Would have been more fair. The previous sp has full ohlins semi active suspension and brembos also.
Titanium engine bits, the incredible electronics (they are better tuned on the sp), the absolute savage of a motor, and the looks. The SP is the way to go...if you have the money to. The standard cbr falls short if you can get a base s1krr for about the same money.
The CBR1000RR has been deemed as one of the more streetable 1000’s due to its light weight and ergonomics which aren’t as aggressive as most the other super sports. And let’s be honest, no one needs a 1000 on the street, nor will anyone like you and me ever come close to the capabilities of any liter bike. With BMW you also need to deal with maintenance costs. For someone stacking the miles on, the CBR1000RR is the objectively the best liter bike for the street…
@sleeper.simulant7327 very logical thinking, and I agree. But I've ridden that sp and it is incredible and feels special to ride, the cbr 1000rr is fine and that's about it. So it depends on the riding experience you want.
Chase has put on some lbs. I was a subscriber back in 2014 and grabbed a sweatshirt I purchased a while back and looked up the channel and legit didn’t recognize him
I think it could be a good idea for Honda to have a cbr1000r “single R” that is even more relaxed ergonomically. And maybe tuned for more torque. Kinda like a sport tourer? I’ve also seen some concepts for a version that would be like an adventure sport bike. Kinda like the s1000xr
They do have a CB1000R that is basically what you're talking about, just has a bit of a retro styling, they also made a sporty looking variant up to 2017 but that was replaced by the retro look. The adventure touring option is also a thing, in the form of the NT1100 but whilst that's looking like it'll be a very similar chassis to the XR or the Tracer 9, it'll have the 1100cc africa twin engine which is frankly garbage. Typical of honda to chose the most boring and underpowered engine in their entire lineup to put in an otherwise interesting motorcycle...
@@AntaresSQ01 yeah I’m aware of the cb. It’s a cool bike but I’m looking for something with fairings. I’ve seen rendering of the sport tourer with the twin and the 1000 I4. Hopefully they make the right call once it’s official 🤷♂️
I agree. They need a replacement for the cbr1000f they had years ago. They could dress up the cb1000r like what kawasaki did with their z1000 into the ninja 1000.
Here to put my BIG AGREE in here. I have a CBR650R I basically love because it's a "softer" way to get the 600CC screamer thrills (and still more than enough power) in a way more comfortable package (I have full hardbags all around!). I'd love that for an upgrade, a CBR1000R that's still full fairings & is basically just the regular sportsbike but with slightly more relaxed ergos, tuned suspension and ECU, and low exhaust. The low exhaust especially helps in order to mount full bags
@@BigDonkMongo Here I am a year later. Still wishing that was a thing. Closest thing we have to it right now is the ninja 1000 SX. And the new GSXS 1000 GT. Both really good options if that’s still what you’re looking for.
@@VR46YAMAHA The engine stock is very likely tuned right for the exhaust system. Yea, I mean you can have abit more midrange if you want, but at 200hp, why do you need more? I could understand, if someone is tuning their bike to have a linear power delivery through the rev range to have a nice smooth pull, but that doesn't necessarily mean upping power. Which 90% of people who tune their bikes do.
OC: SP and track days for sure. I'm still waiting for my first bike to show up at my local dealers....it's an SP...a Yamaha MT-09 SP. I need to get a few years/4000+ miles under my belt before thinking of additional bikes.
Such straight, unbent, arms with wrists taking the load when riding. I'm always reminding myself to relax, bend elbows, grip tank, and use my shoulders to steer. I guess I can do vids also without being able to ... I can't finish vid.
I don't have $30,000 to spend on a bike and I don't plan to go to a track so I decided to buy the RR. I got the 2018 CBR1000RR back in 2019 and got her paid off 4 months ago and I still love to ride my bike. I have put 15,400 miles on my bike and still get me exited :) The bike is comfortable and I have take her to Rolling Thunder and Gettysburg bike week. Finally, the RR has way more power than you could ever need and you can modify it.
2 different generations of blade, why didn't you test rr sp against the rr-r sp? That would of been a proper comparison, track day bike against track day bike. Or didn't the u.s. get the sp of the older bike?
OC: This isn't a fair comparison. The RR has two other "SP" models that you completely skipped. The SP1 and the SP2, both of which have similar features to the RR-R SP. These features include braking systems, suspension, weight, and even looks. Although I will say that the RR-R SP is the first bike that I have seen to completely stun most (if not all) non-Honda fans. So much so that even chaseontwowheels does not believe that the RSP should be a CBR :) No surprise here. Anyways, nice video though...
The rr and rr sp is not really that much different in terms of power the only difference is the suspension adjustment by hand or by electronics the brakes don’t work equally as good they just fade faster on the road there real no difference you only feel the difference on the track there only a 1kg weight difference between the 2 and it’s not unsprung or rotational mass.
They are so different because they are two completely different bikes. The older generation is the SC77 and the new generation is the SC82. The new generation is a complete redesign of all components. The SC77 was offered in 2 SP models, SP-1 and SP-2. SP-1 like mine is the trackday variant and the SP-2 is a road homologated race bike. The new CBR1000RR-R is a different animal all together.
The tripple R - sp is a monster. The best bike i ever bought. i have driven Honda diferent models for 30 years and they have always been criticised for beeing to soft and lack of power. The tripple R - sp is the total oposite , its wild and crasy powerfull full of smuth elektronics that is working so perfekt. still people are complaining on Honda , its to uncomfertable , to expensiv , no tourqe at low rev and so on. Test ride this bike , you will love it or hate it. remember it is actualy built for the race trac.
Not gonna lie . When I saw the CBR 1000RR I laid my eyes on her like damm she is the best fcking machine I've ever see . Ik there are plenty of bikes that are best of best in 1000cc segment but. RR ue emotion for me . May be I'm future inshallah I'll buy it. And as for the new model or CBR -SP it's have its own looks and power and that is a killer machine both are best in there respective fields.
The RRR is just a 1000cc tuned up to rev like a 600cc, not fit for road riding but you cant tell on track. Wait for the Vtec or whatever Honda does to catchup to the pack.
OC: Oh hell ya dude. I'm grabbing the SP and trailer every time! That's if I had To choose between The SP and the RR. Now If I had 30K to put into my other bike I'm going that route.
OC: If I were a serious track junkie, the smart thing to do would be to buy an already track prepped RR. That would get the most for my money. On another note, the SP is not the right tool for someone that only does a few track days per year. It's way overkill. And if you wanna track the shit out of an SP, you'd better be prepared to have a backup SP in your garage.
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Nice review. I have one and you’re spot on regarding some of the qualities of this marvelous machine!
@@Jason.cbr1000rr Maybe because the 650r was designed to look like the old Fireblade, I dunno. It's really not a fair comparison of both bikes imo. On one hand the cbr1000rr in the video is the older fireblade, on the other hand the rrr is the SP model. SP models usually get all the goodies compared to the normal blades
Cycle World is now rumoring that an SP2 RR-R (R RRR R RR R R R R RR R R R) is now apparently in the works for 2022. Guess you now have another review coming in the future :)
OC: im not taking anything away form the two monstrously awesome bikes you discussed here, but im just more of a lover of small bikes, so i would probably get a 2022 grom, a monkey and a Honda Acty to show them off on at car shows and to take them places to ride with frieds.. Dump a bunch of money on to all three vehicles in mods and i may still be under budget. thats my smiles per galon though, other viewer's milage may vary.
We are working on a consistent strategy for comparison videos. We know you guys love them but they are SOOOO much harder to make. Don't worry though, we will get there!
@@chaseontwowheels Hey since the Honda CBR1000RR R-SP is close the the price of the Kawasaki Ninja H2 I think that would be a cool and fair comparison to watch. If you can get a ride on one that is. I know 650 ib has let people ride his but his is modded to h2r basically
The problem is that RR is not the current cbr. It’s what the US gets as the base model. It’s just the same as the 2017 RR. There is a base RR-R. We here in the US only get the SP version.
OC: RSP all day. The standard RR is just no comparison when it comes to both build and ride quality, and you surely won't get anywhere near the track capabilities of the RSP with a base RR. You can't just buy Moto GP engines like that.
In Europe. The 2020/2021 cbr1000rr has the same bodywork as the SP, just the colours are different. The model present here as the CBR1000rr is the 2019 model year
Karşılaştırma biraz acımasız olmuş RR-R SP ile RR SP karşılaştırsanız adil bir kıyaslama olabilir. Sonuçta ikisinde de ohlins elektronik amortisörler brembo fren sistemleri var. Quickshifter var ikisinde de. Sadece motor güçleri şanzıman oranları dişlileri farklı . RR-R daha hızlı bir motorsiklet ve mekanik olarak teknolojisi farklı ama aradaki fiyat farkını göz önüne alırsak standart sürücüler için bu çokta önemli değil
Wanted to leave this I also had a problem with the price until I start thinking about ducati's and European bikes and how expensive they are and we ride them on the street just the same so maybe the price isn't that bad on the SP after all when you compare it others in the same price range
These special editions are basically of the shelf race bikes ment for teams to buy and do a quick fairing swap. They're not really ment for road riding. Same with the M1000RR.
Kind of, not really. The M1000RR comes with much simpler brakes and suspension as these components are ALWAYS swapped out by race teams. The regular S1000RR has better brakes and suspension because that bike is intended for the road with occasional track riding where people wont be touching the settings on their suspension, let alone swapping them, same with the brakes. The M1000RR also includes a lot of variable geometry which is valuable for race teams, such as adjustable swingarm pivots, steering head, clip ons and rearsets. Out of the box on the road the S1000RR is a better bike, on the track they are about equal, stock that is, where the M1000RR pulls away is that it's comes ready with racing features that the regular S1000RR doesn't. So it's an absolute value of a platform for race teams to start to develop. The S1000RR is also good but you'd have to be throwing away a bunch of the road electronics (such as D-ESA, cruise control, heated grips) and having to replace them with racing parts, all the while not having the ability to change swingarm pivots so now you need an aftermarket swingarm, aftermarket rearsets, bars, and then all the other stuff suspension, brakes, etc. The M1000RR also has a lot more telemetry available to read. The CBR1000RR-R SP doesn't come with these features. It's just plain and simply an upgraded version of the RR, which btw is not the bike chase showcased in this video, that's the OLD RR, the RR-R has better brakes, much better electronic suspension (which would go into the bin in SBK), upgraded power and I think some changed internals, and some bling bits over the new RR. That's about it. You'd be getting rid of all the same stuff on the RR-R as the RR if you were to buy it and track convert it for serious racing.
The CBR1000 RR-R SP humiliates all other Japanese liter bikes, really only the Ducati V4R outperforms it in the entire liter bike class… but both the V4R and 1000RR-R SP are about as extreme as you can get for a street bike that’s made to take corners… Sure the base 1000RR isn’t as extreme as the others, but according to multiple reviewers it is by far the best in terms of street use, as it’s not as aggressive as the R1 or ZX10R… it also feels smaller then the other liter bikes, and flicks over with ease compared to the R1 or ZX10R which were considered to be more stable but a little slower in the handling department…
I dig your down to earth perspective and review. I’d Never watched you before but good job!! I’ve always loved Honda’s but I’m having a very hard time with the $$ of the SP and you didn’t mention the SP 2 or it’s price. How much more is the extremely limited production RCV? Seems like if considering an SP or Sp 2 why not the RCV? Also SP1 - SP 2 comparison. It Doesn’t sound like there really is any comparing the CBR to the SP1 or 2. Sounds like those are in a different league, of course for that price difference they better be
It’s messed up that the North American RSP (Fireblade) has 30hp locked up with electronic limiters. It has 186hp here in America but in Europe it’s has 215hp. Thankfully with a flash to the ECU you can unlock the full 215 hp. But when you pay $30,000 for a bike you should have access to the full power without having to flash it. On the bright side looking at the glass half full you can upgrade the air filter and exhaust then flash the bike and dyno tune it and basically unlock 45 to 50 more horsepower which is nuts. Because 186 hp is no joke that’s still a lot of power and to have an extra 50 hp waiting to be activated is just insane.
Love the vid. But there’s some errors. Firstly there are 2 new rrr s. The RR-R normal and the RR-R sp. The same applies to the 2017 -2019. But MOST IMPORTANTLY the RR-R is NOT the same reworked engine. The old engine ran from 08 to 2019 and was reworked for each generation. It was a PRE requisit that the new 2020 bad had a new engine from ground up. Everything in the new engine is different.
Just like most dudes who buy Ford raptor never see a grain of dirt am sure most owners of fireblade never see a track......but if you have cash Honda will most certainly sell all of them
True that. I'm thinking you meant to say LITRE bikes. Most have the full beans well above any legal limit. Well apart from in Mexico or a track anyway. You definitely need to pick a time and a place to enjoy the potential from these bikes.
My cb1000r has same motor. Just asking what is the difference besides price and programming for top end? Its still 3.3 to 60 and 120 in second gear. My r is naked. Still fast af. Top out hard at 168. Still dead and quick enough lol. It a 2022 with mono rear. Engine brake trac control abs and stable. At 13k. And looks sexy naked. Sounds sexy. And who needs go over 168?
When will Honda bring the "standard" RR-R SC82 in to the U S.??? Or is there no possiblety of that?? It's the same bike without the electronic suspension and it cost less than the SP.
OC: Yeah if I had 30k burning a hole in my pocket. I wouldn't get the SP. I'd rather get the 2021 Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1100. It cost less than the SP and in my opinion the RSV4 Factory 1100 is a better bike.
@@Edogawa199X clearly you know nothing about sport bikes if you believe honda fireblade is much better than Aprilia RSV4 factory. Don't get me wrong, I like Honda bikes and I really like the new cbr1000 rr-r sp fireblade but it isn't better than Aprilia, they are both amazing bikes with their pros and cons .
Here you’re essentially comparing a bike that is loosely based on the same design since 2009, to something that’s all new, the engine design is all new compared to the RR, not a tuned up engine as you say. The bore and stroke is completely different, an the price justification is just that. Equally price wise here isn’t all that fair of a comparison vs a run of the mill RR vs an RR-R SP in particular.
I don’t understand why you’re comparing a old cbr non SP to a new cbr SP. i would’ve understood the 2019 SP but you went old basic to newest highest spec.
