Why Spintires deserves a second chance | Spintires vs Snowrunner 

A lot of people assumed in comments that I am asking spintires as a replacement to Snowrunner which is not true. I want it as a seperate alternative for OG players like myself.

In spintyres the weight of the trucks is more realistic and the physics are more realistic, in snowrunner they are like toys. Snowrunner wins only with graphics and variety.

The saddest thing about spintires is that this year will be its 10th anniversary, but since spintires got abandoned there will possibly not happen anything...

Its sad that its been four years since removal and Spintires still hasn't gained any traction on returning to Steam, or sale anywhere else. And Steam keys for the game and DLC are running out. Hopefully it can return someday, or someone can pick up the concepts and make a new game with the heart of Spintires at its center.

That frame flexing is also dig thing in my eyes the trucks in SR look and act like RC toys

the deal-breaker for me was the missing chassis flex. it's a shame we don't have a game with the variety of gameplay like SR, but the physics of ST/MR

The OG spintires has its own beauty..despite having snowrunner I still play mudrunner and spintires more because these games are simple..Snowrunner has too many maps and objectives which are not easy to go through

Many things that Spintires had could and should have been implemented into SR. I agree that pacing of the game is now higher than it was in Spintires and disbalance between trucks is becoming bigger by the day (new Yamal is a good example for comparison and pretty cool, but useless Twinsteer). And I had mentioned under one of your videos, the addons they are creating are sloppy. A good example is the new crane on Kenworth. Take a look on how ridiculously it is mounted. And guess what? If you dig into XMLs of their truck files, they do seem to have a lot of ideas, but they tend to be cut right before release? Example, KamAz Arctic. Did you know they had a unique cargo bed which is present in real-life model designed for it but opted out for standard 2-slot?

Spintires and Mudrunner has a more interesting system when you play with steering wheel, here you need to know how to use the clutch, because if you change gear without it, the truck take damage. Also, you have the control of the gears, you can use first when you want or third when you want. In Snowrunner... you can use only Low -, Low, Low +, H, Auto, N, and reverese. If you want drive with a specific speed, maybe in second gear, you can't do it because the game doesn't let you select the gear you want, and if you try to drive at 30km/h for example, the automatic gear It will start to go up and down because the script doesn't understand what you want to do. And if you don't use clutch, nothing happens, there is no penalty for not using it, like an automatic transmission...

Love the video and points you made. Thanks for the voice overs hated reading all the points in your other videos

Basically what I see here is Snow runner: realistic graphics Spin tires: realistic physics

Respect bro for this video, I miss SpinTires

I just hope Spintires comes back onto Steam. I'd buy all the DLC for it as well

It's one of the best videos I've watched so far. A competitor for SnowRunner would be welcome, especially based on SpinTires. I think the next Runner series has the potential for a way better game than SnowRunner in terms of mechanics and simulation.

Bardzo dobry film, miło było by zobaczyć kontynuację Spintires ! Mimo, że posiadam Snowrunner i Mudrunner zawsze wybieram Spintires -już od 10 lat :)

Граю цю серію ще з 2013 року, і в плані фізики SpinTires найближче до раельності. SnowRunner то графіка та геймплей, але не реалістична фізика. Дякую за гарне відео! 👍 SpinTires forever in my heart ❤️

Hi. I fully support the SD1ONE !

На самом деле абсолютно согласен с проблемой распределения веса в snowrunner. По сравнению с mudrunner в ней машины кажутся просто пластиковыми. По моему мнению причина этого не только перекрученная мощность двигателя, но и очень ограниченный ход подвески и рамы, что на большой скорости тебя может подбросить и перевернуть, если ты найдешь даже на небольшой камень. Также полностью согласен с фиговым балансом. Я заметил это ещё в начале прохождения, когда первым вездеходным грузовиком купил Азов и проехал с ним добрую половину игры, не нуждаясь ни в чём либо. Если так посмотреть, то по сути в snowrunner есть ну максимум штук 10 полезных грузовиков, которые тебе всю игру с DLS пройдут. Мне кажется эта проблема растёт из более аркадной физики, где вес машины ни на что по сути не влияе. Хотя подобное можно было бы исправить какимм нибудь аддоднами, которые необходимы для миссии, но которые можно установить только на один вид транспорта.

Nice video! As always! And I like that you are now talking! As for the spintires. Yes, It is sad that the game got removed from the Steam. Could be interesting is someone could continue its development.

The weight and terrain issues are probably the biggest ones for me. I generally don't use scouts because the moment they hit deep mud they are stuck fast while the bigger trucks can at least keep digging usually even with less than perfect tire choice. Overall I like both games and through modding and editing I have been able to create the experience that I prefer which at the end of the day I think we all should be grateful to be able to do.

I really miss presplit SpinTires, it was such An amazing game. I never played the game post split and I wish I could buy it on steam

Glad to see your still making videos SD! Have loved your MudRunner content since I was a kid, keep doin what your doin legend! Edit: btw after buying snowrunner I instantly went back to MudRunner, I think it’s a disservice to the franchises name, and a joke of a game.

Excellent explanation of the differences between both games. I recently re-loaded Spintires and can appreciate the difference but both games are a lot of fun!

Spintires with new graphics and new maps is what we want

You're right about PC only games being innovative. The moment anything drops on console it begins to stagnate/devolve.

awesome video. i didn't know the trucks in spintires (like the Zikz 612H) was perfectly balanced compared to SR. thanks for the info.

Regarding reused assets: most Soviet trucks (especially in military) share the same headlights and likely many other parts for repairability purposes (this even extends to present day models like ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/МАЗ-6317)

And only real models of cars from the Soviet Union remained in Spintires. In mudrunner and snowrunner, the developers mutilated the models to avoid copyright issues (since they did not buy licenses to use the models in the game).

The number one thing i wanted to see was tracked vehicles and the possibility of clearing the tracks with construction equipment, there used to be some awesome experiment mods for spin tires along that vain of though

Detail matters. Now I know why I stuck so much in SR. There are countless stuck in deep mud no matter what gear I am in, but to successfully escape only to use winch every time.

First of all, credentials: I have played about 350 hours in SpinTires, about 480 hours in MudRunner, and more than 1,500 hours in SnowRunner. You can say I love the franchise. All the points you make are fair. I especially agree regarding the confusing amount of tyres in SnowRunner compared to its predecessors, and about truck weight and handling. However for me, the two most frustrating things in SpinTires have been: 1. Its crude and awkward user interface. Lots of fiddling with the mouse when a keyboard shortcut would have been much better (e.g. releasing the winch, starting/stopping the engine, and other things that are way better in SnowRunner). And don't get me started on that manual clutch. 2. It is often TOO slow-paced an experience. SpinTires often seems much more focused on the physics simulation aspect (trucks and terrain behaviour) than to provide a more polished gameplay. The way trucks struggle in deep terrain is a joy to behold compared to SnowRunner, but when you cover 200 in-game meters in 20 minutes, it just becomes tedious. SnowRunner has moments like these, too, but they're not as heavy-handed. That's because they're compensated by having stronger trucks that pick up their pace when they're not stuck. In SpinTires, even in the best conditions, trucks sometimes feel _too_ slow, like you're driving with the handbrake on. For these reasons, it's clear to me that SpinTires is closer to being a simulation sandbox, while SnowRunner is closer to being a more structured game. And consequently SpinTires feels more realistic, while SnowRunner feels more 'arcade'. I honestly believe that MudRunner is a good compromise between the two, and it's the one I enjoy returning to when I'm not playing SnowRunner. If MudRunner had more than logging, it would be really cool. Fortunately modders have produced lots of fun maps to explore and conquer. This was a great video, anyway. Not sure how I feel about the AI voice, but the narration was interesting. Cheers! //Rick

Finally a voice! I love it!

Amazing comparison video as always! The only question I have is about the pictures that you showed as plans for SpinTires. Where did you find them? Are they mods or photos from the developer as a sneak peak?

I never played ST but the difference is very noticeable also between MR and SR. Thats kind of sad tbh. SR with hardcore physics would be fantastic.

Playing Spintires I had the best moments of feeling "oh no, I'm in trouble, where is the nearest second vehicle, do I have enought fuel to rescue ?, does the second vehicle may stuck also ?, which route should I take... First I must survive, then payload". When playing snowrunner it was all time like "keep pressing W, oh, nice looking Aurora"

Nice and honest review❤. After a couple of hundred hours in Snowrunner and seeing Expeditions is not my cup of tea I've decided to give another opportunity to spintires and Mudrunner... And what a change! I didn't remember such a good physics. I've noticed as you say in the video that spintires is for no longer in Steam so I can't find and buy the DLCs for spintires. I own all the DLCs for Mudrunner and Snowrunner (despite I haven't played to Mudrunner for more than 20 hours). I really would like to give it a try to both first games now, but I don't now how to get Chernobyl and all DLCs from Spintires. Some advice or option?

I Would love drive the unfinished vehicles, How sad that they didnt had time to release them

great video. i wish spintires wasn't delisted! only played a little bit of both mudrunner and snowrunner

Great material. I didn't know that Spintires also had a tire pressure DLC! I totally agree, the cars are better balanced there. Now in Snowrunner on these last maps almost every truck is OP.

I agree with the weights if the trucks the most. Snowrunner would be way way better if the trucks didn't bounce around so much , especially when in mud or snow. Also the performance gap is very real, they can't nerf vehicles in the game, but they have tried buffing some highway trucks with awd and suspension unlocks. I always liked driving low tier trucks in mudrunner and taking my time doing missions, feels like real life.

Photos at the end were more upsetting than everything i've seen in my life. 😢

great video and i agree with you 100% ... the only thing missing in mudrunner is realistic cockpit view and mirrors and it will be the best truck driving simulator game

You persuad me to play Spintires. I used to play Snowrunner, finish a few regions, but got bored.

can't believe I managed to buy this game for dirt cheap on Steam as it was on sale a few years ago before it got delisted. Shame I wasn't able to get any of the DLC it had, but at least mods exist :)

From a business standpoint, Snowrunner devs are geniuses: They saw a game genre not very touched in the market, that caught the eye of many who liked it, made a very good looking copy with way simpler mechanics to atract a larger playerbase and making them feel powerful to keep buying overpowered DLCs. Kinda like what happens (in my opinion) which space engineers. Such a good looking game and fun to play for the experienced fellas, but SO DAMN COMPLEX i doubt the average adult gamer could grasp it even after a week. And i myself must admit, simple space exploration games like Astroneer caught my eye way better.

Original Spintires, not the mudrunner!, is just amazing! The driving experience there felt like trucks were struggling, but they were cappable.of doing job. And reaching destination through woods and not roads felt rewarding

You can modify Spintires files by your own and make it more realistic or make the game longer. I added all tire types to all trucks (except if the tires are not good lookin, too small or too big) also added cart for long and medium logs to all trucks (same exceptions as tires I applied for this too) and at last i made loading logs to require full body with logs (small - 20 pcs, meduim - 10 or 15 pcs, long - 10 pcs). When you load small logs you get 1 point loaded instead of 2 originally, meduim get 3 points instead of 4, long get 4 points instead of 6. You can also apply these things to mod trucks you installed.

Congratulations on one of your very best videos. At the part "Truck Weight" I instantly understood what you mean. This is one of my main complains in Snowrunner. But sadly I'm very sure we will never see a Spintires 2 alone by the fact that it has russian roots. It's a shame the developer and the publisher didn't get along and the game was removed at the end.

They really had to put all the mechanics into snowrunner from past games, it will be like nostalgia combined with the new generation

excellent video. Spintires - one love!

hello, these videos you make are great. Do you use a mouse to control the gear stick? It looks much more precise than when I try it on controller. Also I would like to join your discord but the link says it has expired. Thank you.

6:40 The weight is the result of many things done in the right realistic way, I often find myself unconsciously pressing very very hard the keyboard to compensate some hard terrain or some tilting on the spintires trucks, where on spintires I feel like the trucks are made of paper. And sadly, they went for the same arcadish feeling for Expeditions, they call it a "MudRunner" game, but it is more a SnowRunner game, it has nothing to do with MudRunner, MudRunner have similar physics to Spintires, only missing the Tire Inflation system I think I am so sad that I was unable to purchase the china adventure, and I've seen many sites selling the key for up to 500 USD 😕

Snowrunner: боишься получить урон от деревьев, домов, зданий, бордюров, камней, веток/ камней на дорогах... SpinTires: Боишься НАВСЕГДА потерять грузовик на дне реки

glad I have it before it got taken down

the spin tires games are the only game series that Iv known off to secretly put a ticking time bomb into there game 5:19 also that is a MAZ-7313 if anyone didn't know

The missing vehicle and cargo weight was my main issue with snowrunner. After finishing Armur, the game felt boring, repetitive and gave me no sense of challenge. That's when I decided to give the real life mod a try, and man does it make the game feel better. But I can see why it's not in the vanilla game. With that jump in difficulty most casual players wouldn't have made it to Smithville dam.

Spintires goat. Snowrunner toy game.

What service do you use for the AI voice if I may ask?

I hope spinter will see this post

I wouldn't have thought so many people are still interested in SpinTires after so many years, but I can definitely see why. I loved the game back in 2014, I managed to complete all maps on hardcore and I even remember installing a snow mod at some point. The latest version is still worth playing, if you can find it. So much more sense of accomplishment compared to SnowRunner.

In Snowrunner, high gear kicking in and launching a huge truck in speed in rough terrain, like a rocket, is ridiculous...

I wish and wait for comeback spintires I really miss him😢

Adding this after I have everything typed out, but in 4 weeks another mudrunner game is coming out so I guess we'll see what that has to offer but its already tainted by corporate greed bullshit like preorder early unlocks Snowrunner has a lot to offer but it falls flat with the core of the game, It feels mechanically worse especially with the core of the game the mud and snow physics. Handling of the vehicles feels awful, when you're going full speed on pavement with a highway truck its easy to see and feel what I mean. I wish Mudrunner or Spintires had the career mode snowrunner has and that would be perfect. They are both beautiful games especially when its foggy but I'll admit it I think Snowrunner has them beat because in the first map in the swamp near the dam tunnel, on a foggy night just sitting there feels so atmospheric, especially with the nature sounds.

Please do a comparison vid fir the cat ct681 and the cat ct680

Also spintires works with ffb wheel well.

100% agree with everything said

Spintires and mudrunner deserve a better soundtrack

I love the details they put to Spintires and Mudrunner most of the features are absent in Snowrunner :(

How did you get spintires i have been looking but all i found was a bit sketchy cd key site and from the rumours i have heard that version was savotaged due to the dev falling out with the publisher

I agree with you

I agree with everything you said, except one thing. I like MudRunner more, mostly because it was my introduction to the series. :P

no way finally voice and not reading by my self

is there a way to get spin tires before it was mudrunner

Yo lo tengo en Steam pero cuando lo descargo solo me sale un mapa sin más, pagué por ese juego, que tengo que hacer para poder jugarlo con normalidad?

Imagine the world where Voroshilovettes added to the game (8:14), i would sell my house if that means i can go to that world

Spintires was a game aimed at a narrow group of players, which resulted in more realistic and demanding gameplay. Snowrunner is still demanding, but more arcade-like and intended for a larger number of players. Anyway I love both of these games.

Snowrunner is just more Arcadey and the creativity just feels like its empty now. Spintures on the other hand, man it was something. If only I can redownload it today.

I enjoyed Spintires when it came out but it always felt like more of a tech demo than a game, while the physics were definitely better in Spintires, SnowRunner feels like a much more complete gameplay experience.

Snowrunner sadly only seems to have two speeds: almost anything will drive through it and hyper mud that makes you crawl in low no matter what. And every map seems to be designed to have hypermud pits in crucial parts, so that you are basically relegated to mud tires everywhere, unless you want to go make tea, as you put a weight down on your W key for 15 minutes as the truck glacially crawls through the damn mud pit blocking every sensible road. It's so frustrating after a while

Great comparison! Spintires is not only better than SnowRunner but also better than MudRunner, it has nicer visuals, better LOD, and better mud representation. After the 1.7 update Spintires returned as my favorite one.

Could not agree more. Trucks and physics in spin tires are just miles better

the whole spintires "fallout/scam" thing was very disappointing. I was an original backer of the game and I never got my "physical copy" that I pledged for... Game had so much potential but it never came to face...

I wish there was a mod that mixes Spintires and Mudrunner together, because Spintires has so many features never made to Mudrunner and Mudrunner has other many features that Spintires didn't had, so mixing these games would result in proper Spintires: Mudrunner title.

Maybe when they fix the save issues

I haven't had the luck to play Spintyres, but I payed Mudrunner and I can comfortably say that it is a more realistic game than Snowrunner, while Snowrunner is more varied, so to each his own I believe. Although, I believe Snowrunner is slowly improving. For example, I don't really remember the trucks having a clearly visible chassis flex, but recently I've been noticing it on some trucks. Also, nowadays even the most powerful trucks struggle on the slightest inclines when laden. Overall, I hope that Spintyres return and Snowrunner improve.

Was auch sehr interessant wäre, wie realitätsnah sind diese Spiele, und was ist näher an der Realität.

This game deserves second chance, because this game is most relacing and hardcore than MudRunner and Snowrunner excepting snow maps, and i want to have full collection of offroad games

are things you've said also applicable to mudrunner?

After playing Spintires, Mudrunner and Snowrunner the reason i think Snowrunner feels like arcade is the Swarm Engine of the Game. The VeeEngine which was used by Spintires and Mudrunner works overall better. This is the reason why in my opinion the upcoming Mudrunner Expeditions could not bring this immersive feeling back.

Not the tiktok dropshipper text to speech cmon man 💀

I heard Spintires goes to the Chinese exclusive game market.

I hope Spintires comes to more platforms in the future, if a base PS4 can run Mudrunner without issues I don't see why a PS5 couldn't run Spintires

Finnishing something in snowrunner is like doing your homework, its annoying, takes a lot of time and it doesnt feel rewarding Finnishing something in spintires is like cooking a meal, although it can take longer, it feels much more rewarding, since you have to be more carefull, and taking shortcuts is a much bigger risk and i feel like theres only like 2 types of players, the OGs, and the kids, and i feel like theyre making it for them, to not get bored, its nice to have options, i like that, painting the truck to maybe match the addon? i really like that, beefy front bumper? i like, give it to me, but sometimes its overdone or underdone, no middle ground oh and i really like the audio effect of wheelspin, snowrunner is missing that overall verdict from me is: Snowrunner: 5/10 (i like slot cargo and the graphics, and bit of truck customization, but id rather have gameplay over high graphics) Mudrunner: 7/10 (challanges are an interesting idea, too dull when it comes to colours, lacks bit of content, reused maps from spintires) Spintires: 8/10 (since you cant get much DLCs for it, its a shame, the game is nice, updated colours are a perfect touch)

I wanted to buy snowrunners, but then I played it on Gamepass and damn, the trucks felt like RC trucks, the game felt so dumbed down, filled with content that isnt really necessary, turned into a completely arcade game, it just threw me off so much, I decided to stay with just MudRunners lol It feels like they decided to go "full-corporate" in snowrunners, making a game more acessible, faster paced, brighter, more colorful, with a lot of unlockable stuff, a lot of modifications that are cool tbh, but still, and a lot of currency management, to keep people playing for longer, sacrificed quality for quantitiy.

where did you install the spintires original game? i need to install it please

Can't say i disagree, i love Snowrunner and i think it improved ALOT over previous iterations but i would love if they added the preassure system and that preassure system made all the vehicles that sink and are useless to be useable like in the old Spintires, i still remember playing it and wanting the big trucks but sticking with the original blue rwd truck simply because it was better for the job. In Snowrunner you don't carefully choose the vehicles for the job, you pick the biggest most powerful truck and stick with it which is boring and leave other vehicles be totally useless.

God, i want 3 independed games!!! Spintires Mudrunner SnowRunner. I do not want them all together runned as 1 games on the same engine, couse they feel and play so diifferently and it is so cool!!!

Wait, spintires was pulled of off the steam store?

Soon these games are gonna have little characters that dance along with battlepasses

Spintires and Mudrunner are in there own leagues.