Why SSF is better than Trade League. 

The title should reflect that in some way and not sound like a definite statement. Just my personal opinion. :)

Keep in mind Ziz gets paid to play PoE and can play 12 up to 10 hrs on average.

It's still a clickbait title? Just cause you make a comment, doesn't make it less scummy.

I wish there would be a party self found mode and only these people with their accounts could group and trade with u. I love to play with my girlfriend, but i cant stand another trade league season because of that. It is so annoying.

@@tylerschuler6853 The video is about Ziz explaining why he finds SSF better then trade and also giving counter examples... What more do you need.

@Bing Bong Barry Oh, thanks that helped

@Bing Bong Barry yea its super protip for everything. I did not learn anything new until i discover that i just need to not be stupid 4Head

@Bing Bong Barry there's a reason people like you don't have friends

turn of sounds and ambient effects and keep voices and chat alerts on high. Allows you to hear i.e. Sirus "Die" better and your brain can focus just on the visuals

Your comment makes it seem like PoE doesn't already have perfect visual clarity. As a definite non-GGG employee, I can say with confidence that there's tons of visual clarity in PoE, especially on summoner builds, so you should be able to see exactly what's killed you. However, if you're still having trouble, try using the new kill replay feature to see which enemy's ability dealt the largest amount of damage to you :^ )

Fr, got a unique I just traded to a vendor since it wouldn't be worth it in trade but then I got it in ssf and made a build around it

The problem with trade is that as you become more experienced with the game, trade makes everything pretty much useless. You start making a lot of currency which makes just buying items trivial, which makes every build just a matter of grinding currency and buying the items you want. This devalues every item from priceless to sometimes 5 minutes of currency grinding. In SSF, you have to make due with what you get and what you are able to craft. Sometimes luck isn't on your side and you still figure a way to make things work. Currency also turns from the main focus of the game to being worthless beyond it's crafting use. This makes higher value currency next to useless in SSF while lower currency becomes more and more important.

@@enlightendbel as a totally non-objective counter to this: I hate gearing my character through drops/crafting. My favorite part of this game is running content. I enjoy the loop of playing maps (and sometimes delve or heists) Being able to just engage with maps or the gameplay I enjoy, and buy all my gear is why I love this game. I think if I had to play ssf I wouldnt play the game.

I've found playing PoE with one hand using the Logitech G604 to be somewhat doable. Probably won't scale well all the way to the end game though.

Real mvp

/autoreplay sorry sold xd

I try to but sometimes when I I underprice it gets too crazy.

Same, and by using a trade macro/program like poe companion it's just 1 click away, that's the least I can do so the person don't need to wait or whatever, and I hope atleast sometimes people do the same towards me ^^

@David Powell I've had nothing but good experiences so far but then again I only play solo or with friends from my discord and only deal with other players via trading but so far it's been ok

I'm a new player and I just got a character to tier 2 maps. Not sure if it's the general mood of the playerbase or just the server I had joined, some people got super toxic at me for asking about crafting tips from the other players in the server.

it would be great, I think i'll try ssf next league, rly want to watch it

I think an introductionary guide and more advanced strategies for SSF would be great

This video would be great but that SSF chat is super useful as well, 773, like SSF on phone keyboard. SSF chat is gold!

He has a SSFHC guide that has some of what you'd want

Collar plus doryani prototype

Don't fetish shame me.

xd

Lol relatable

this ^

I have the same issue, I’ll get a 1-2 second freeze client side and when my pc decides to finally display everything again I’m dead

Right, this game isn’t stable enough for me to be interested in hard core.

Best of both for sure

Exactly, some worthless uniques in trade are literally build-enabling on SSF

Ye im not spending 200 hours just to get decent gear. Rather buy it after 10 and enjoy endgame SSF.

@@DamienBaka so like 99.9% of softcore trade players?

@@somethingneeddoing021 What? You guys don't have a team where 1 guys dedicated himself for trading only while the other just mapping the juicest map ever making 1ex/min?

@@Xirpzy So you get all your gear from trade, you no longer can play "SSF" no matter what because you didnt find your gear yourself. You're just playing "S" (Solo).

@@Meitti I dont get all my gear from trade... I know what SSF means.

thats basicly one of the best and most fun ways to play poe

Me and a couple of friends create our own league every launch. Then we get to play "friendly SSF" without any third party trade, and also play with each other. However it does cost some points but I find it great.

The second point! 💯💯💯💯 I'd be absolutely *MISERABLE* trying out some of the builds I've got rolling now if I had to FARM every individual build-defining unique... 🥲🤢🤮

Meanwhile me and probably plenty of others play PoE like 20-50 hours a month

My thought was "shit, is that what counts as playing a lot? I might actually have a problem"

at 200 hours a day that is 7 hours a day every day....so u know if u support yourself like a responsible adult 40 hours a week job lul have like 1 or 2 days where u can have a few hours to do grocery shopping, eating, seeing friends etc.... at 400 u are at 14 hours a day soooo every day is eat sleep poe and buy lottery ticket that gets you millions so you can pay to do that?!?!? How the fuck does this relate to people? even 200 hours a month shouldn't relate to people....

@@TheKalabu You're only counting in the weekdays thou mate. Also we have the rona right now so most people aren't seeing their friends as much as usually. How many hours per week do you need for grocery shopping anyways?

@@TamsuO That's still ~13 hours a day. Pretty crazy if you think about it. Not the 13 hour-per-day, but doing it a month or two. That's borderline insane. As a normal and social adult, you can only do that, if your friends also play POE and your GF and/or you are a streamer. Even 7-8 hours/day is a lot, you need time for tiding your house, cleaning, groceries, cook, gym, worse if you have pets... No problem with playing a day or two or maybe a week for 6 hours or more per day, but anything more than that is unhealthy and leads to burnout, eventually.

That to me is the great big draw of SSF, it really forces you to learn the systems too complex in a multiplayer environment to not just go "meh, screw it, i'll just buy it for 5ex"

There's an orb for that.

I understand you added "well-designed" to appease haters of the concept, but in reality any Auction House would do. There is really no way to fuck up an Action House in PoE that would make trade even worse than it is.

I would agree on that order honestly. Also: the only thing I would change on the current trade system is to make trades instant.. like.. add some post office shit to the hideout that gets triggered by the whispers that takes currency from your public stashes and exchanges it with the item in the public tab you want to buy. Both send to the mailbox npc or seperate stash or whatever. Just a personal opinion tho.

it's a private league

thats the concepts of a private league

Just dont trade and play with anybody else?!

I have been wearing them since 2013. They are the best 👍

That would rather defeat the purpose of SOLO self found, wouldn't it? :p

Imo i prefer playing SSF mid league, cause it doesn't matter when u start anyways most likely if u are not a racer...and on trade its difference between being rich or poor depending how fast you are :)

This. I understand the irritation with trade spam but I feel absolutely *zero* desire to target farm for items that might be miserable to find. No thank you. I like planning a build ahead, and the way most decent builds (or creative off-meta builds) are set up, there's too many *necessary* uniques. I'm not about to spend a billion hours looking for *one* item that legitimately makes or breaks said build. Just don't trade if you don't like trading, whilst leaving yourself the choice to get that sexy item on Trade Market if RNGesus screws you like it's your honeymoon.

Milestones, it gets harder once you want to min/max your character for end-game, but to start out with, you can for example say that you want this amount of health before this point, like 1200 roughly for act 5 kitava, you want to be rescapped before innocence in act 5. Personally i think the foundation of SSF is setting goals for yourself, and then what SSF is becomes the things you have to do or get, to achieve the goal you set for yourself, like a certain build, or killing a certain boss (like you need reflect immunity for Atzhiri), completing the Atlas, as in doing all bonus objectives etc. Now, and this is the part of why people say that even if you have several hundred hours in the game, you're still probably fairly new to the game, because there is a lot to learn that can only be learned through playing the game, like is it worth using alterations on a pair of lvl 8 slippers for movement speed? Yes it is, to get into SSF you really have to be willing to chance your currency, because all currency is crafting, i don't think twice about spending 20 chaos on what would be worth less than 20 chaos on trade league, like spending 20 chaos on a cluster jewel just to get 2 notables (as in the notes on cluster jewels that does more than just "10% increased elemental damage"). Often on SSF you start out with a build that doesn't rely heavily on gear to get to maps, and then you use that to farm the gear you need to make the build you take to end game. To get into SSF, you really need to be able to enjoy the journey more so than the end result, because you might never actually reach the end, if your goal was to have a certain item drop for a certain build, the item might never drop, and that's fine, because the journey is what mattered in the end, and that's where milestones matter more than setting goals, because you might not reach your goal, but perfecting the milestones inbetween means that you will be more likely to reach your goal next time because you are more efficient and now you know what to do. Your first character might not even make it to maps, but your second character might, your third character definently will etc. and more specifically about milestones, you want to account for the res penalties for act 5 and 10 kitava, and you want to make sure that you have around 3k health when you start in maps - that is probably the most basic forms of milestones for learning SSF and in terms of what good gear looks like in SSF, because a high rolled dual-res, 80 life and 25% movement speed boots on SSF is poggers, while meh on trade league.

I do participate in races. I don't want anything to do with Method or anything they do. I have friends that sadly joined them and will keep in touch with some of them but I do not wish to participate in things they do.

​@@Zizaran ok i guess i should not have used method as an example... maybe iam wrong with my perception that all big streamers quit short-race events? hmm forget it than - ss

I think the main treason for GGG to not do a auction house is that people would be less likely to see micro transaction stuff on other people and there for buy less stuff.

@@mrnice4434 this makes some sense.

Mr Nice they could make an AH for currency and maps (the 2 super annoying trade areas) while leaving item trading to in person.

@@sebastianholsclaw yeah or maybe make the AH a public place where you can see other like chapter hubs but yeah some change to the current system would be nice

same.. me and my friend actually used an alt account with no additional stashes. we made a rule that we arent allowed to trade with other players and it's been fun so far. we made it to lvl92 in 1 week and done many of the stuff

play private league

private league is literally that

@@zacharyschreiber6382 While that is true, I just don't feel like spending that money on a temporary thing thats not the whole three months. I'm not being picky here, i just feel like it's not worth it in the end, therefore im still playing Trade. Maybe im wrong here, but hell, I might never know.

@@Ellybisa what would be the benefit of a dedicated group/guild found game mode? Leaderboards?

you can migrate your ssf character to trade league whenever you want. If you don't want to play ssf or if you drop something insane, you can migrate either one or all your character s

I play like this , avoid trading as much as possible without trading. Sometimes theres a crazy hard unqiue to get

@@KeKNine extra work...