Why Star Citizen Players Are Getting Angry ? 

I love the game, I want it to succeed. The way this year has gone, the last few years... it's hard to love this game. So annoying because I WANT to play this game everyday but just can't muster the strength to fight the bs

I don't mind MM but 'physicalized loot' i.e no more local inventory or in ships is what has made me quit playing finally. It's just too clunky now to deal with. As if all the bugs and glitches weren't enough to deal with they decided to make it even more punishing to play. I just cba any more. Plus it's not 'more immersive' anyway since now everywhere you go everyone is running around with an 8 scu loot box floating in front of them. It's stupid. This kind of system only works in other games, like Skyrim or whatever, because you can fit lots of guns and suits of armor in your 'backpack'. I don't mind the cargo changes so much but the loot/local inventory change has just made me not want to bother any more. The game was always something you had to make a lot of allowances for due to all your gains being wiped out all the time by bugs but it has just become such an un-fun chore to play now even when it 'works'.

the only way we can get CIG to change is for the community as a whole to enmass cancel subscriptions and stop buying anything new CIG puts out. Send them a message enough is enough.

I have lost interest in Star Citizen since being demoted from PTU Wave 1 to Wave 3. It just felt like they were telling me to go away.

They are limiting and paywalling PTU and then You have CTO telling us on SCL that cargo missions were a flop because on PTU they had too few players and that particular bug with people mass abandoning cargo missions didn't show up. Genius, fucking genius. They outplayed themselves 😂😂😂

Concierge support lying “The pledge you are referring to has reached the limit for manual pledge modifications. Due to this, we are not able to alter this particular pledge any further. There are limitations on the number of times we're able to manually remove upgrades from a pledge. This is to protect against possible hangar issues.”

Its the lies. I can't confidently say all but definitely most people that have backed the game within the last 5 years did so despite already knowing the reputation CIG had developed with regard to failing to deliver on promises over and over. Once you are in and trying to remain excited and eager to spend more to help development, you start seeing the patterns. New ships getting nerfed as soon as they reach sales expectations, staged progress videos, more and more features being released as just another form of magic space beam, the utter nonsense of master modes, not even any talk about working on atrocious ground vehicle driving or hover physics not to mention massive vehicles and ships getting stuck on rocks and bushes or getting blown away by wind... the list goes on and on. Its really easy to start seeing SC as more of a great place to take screenshots than an actual game in progress. The lack of progress and backlog of promised features plus fixes and advancements is just depressing. Asking when is forbidden, of course, and when we complain about time being spent on making space green or breaking combat we are given a mech suit with a slightly more powerful tractor laser and all the youtubers act like this is what makes everything better somehow. Feels a LOT like gaslighting, honestly.

Coming out with Hauling broken from the start was rather cringe. This being said, the nerfing of the tractor gun speed is kinda SUS when lo and behold, a mech is released (that you'll need to buy with real money for a while) that has instant tractoring. So CiG causes a problem that is fixed by spending real money.

Master modes broke the immersion for me and ship combat is no longer fun, it just feels wrong. I played almost daily before 2.23, havent played much since then. I wish they would revert to 3.22 flight model at least until they are ready to continue work on the flight model after 4.0 release.

Because the game is still unstable and gameplay is unreliable. Because the game is moving towards tedious activities. They're making it a chore to play and still there's no completed game in view. And the gameplay mechanics they've promised aren't even technologically possible. It's mostly just frustrating.

Most of FPS contracts also dont work or have terrible bugs. But the most frustrating for me is lack of any solution for poor physics in hangars, because all that bullshit about hangar decorating looks preety scammy for me.

I've lost MILLIONS just tring to do cargo, now I am BROKE and sick and tired of this sh*t...

I HATE Mastermodes... WHEN will CIG start listening to the Community. WE are the ones paying their bills...

One of my problems with MM is that the turret guns are not functional unless in gun mode. How is that realistic? That should be a way to get more people to man turrets. If I lived in the verse, I would not stand for that kind of issue. My ships would be fixed or hacked to perform right.

The irony is that while both games, Squadron 42 & the PU were what backers have been paying for since the original Kickstarter in 2012, over 70% of the funding and 90% of the development time/energy/effort has gone into making THAT game above & beyond the PU. Master Modes are the WRONG solution to the WRONG problem. They're screwing over combat players & also screwing over non-combat players just to prevent jousting.

I despise Master Mode, I despise the current Cargo state, I despise the green space soup and I despise how FPS has been turned from a deadly environment to a "shoot him 10 times at least to get an effect". I also despise the total lack of mass in objects, the Mario Kart physics of ground vehicles, the Green ray of "do all," and the despicable interface that gets worse and worse with every iteration. I finally HATE the Console rotation wheel of "check anything", that really is the worst possible interface to use on mouse and keyboard, when Chris Roberts was bragging about "a game for PC only", marketing the crow funding. (Ok, I know Chris is not to be taken seriously about anything he says, but still...) If anything, up to 3.17, Star Citizen was still "cool looking and credible to some extent"; all I see now is CIG ruining the game experience patch after patch, to the point that I'm barely even logging in to check for "improvements" that are never there. With the exclusion of 30k protection, I would be happy to get back to 3.17 and get rid of all the "improvement" that CIG forced upon us. I'm not against changes, but everything keeps breaking (Pulse unusable), and I have the very strong impression people at CIG ares NOT playing their game at all.

As a player who doesn’t focus on combat gameplay; I don’t concern myself with master modes. I would like to see the game focus on introducing more gameloops that are noncombatant related. Monetizing the PTU has hurt testing. By the time it hits open PTU it is only a day or so before it is in the PU so why bother with the PTU?

Im angry because I want to be able to play and enjoy the game, i'm an original backer with gold ticket account and I want the game to succeed as much as anyone. But its like CIG are taking the absolute piss. The game has been in an abysmal, clunky, buggy hard to enjoy state for too long now and it only ever seems to get worse. They've got time and manpower to keep churning out more ships, useless ground vehicles that don't work properly and exposits that are likely going to be as pointless as the Mole is right now, yet they can't spend a bit of time fixing a tractor beam on cutlass that only even worked for a few weeks after it was introduced, or fix some mission bugs and syncing issues. Its ok saying "buh buh but, its an alpha!", and "those missions are placeholders they will likely change" ..it's been an alpha for 11 years ffs, the ships and flight mechanics have changed multiple times, so that excuse simply will not stand anymore.

I like to play ground missions a lot. Ffs the 1,2,3,4 keys for switcing weapons doesn't even work. I'm stuck with the weapon wheel.

Just waiting for SQ42, SC is going to take another 10 years at this rate

theyre much worst than what you can imagine. this people not really game developers but scammer, and scammers are the worst criminals, the bottom line.

Requesting a hangar is still an issue. When you request a hangar there is a timer and when it runs out you lose it or as you are landing at the end of the time your ship becomes unknown. If you claim it you lose your ship content. Sometimes at the end of the timer SC stores your ship if near the hangar. This leaves you float in space or falling in the hangar to the floor. Oh and yes the green space is ugly. I guess CIG was smoking crack when that decision was being made.

Its not a game its currently a tech demo

😂 I dont care for the drama I just enjoy the game

The cargo tetris must stop. It annoys the hell out of me

Dear RU-vid creator. In space in SC if you disable coupled mode, to uncoupled. Thrusters don't slow your ship down in space. IE normal space behaviour.

Its great to see content creators being honest and calling out the BS that CIG is doing for greed. They should have focused on server stability a long time ago, instead they prioritized things that built a lot of hype for immediate gain vs what would be healthy long term. Now they can no longer continue, not only because the community is getting fed up and they are running out of new suckers, but also because their tech can no longer keep up. I genuinely hope they get server meshing, get healthy servers that allow for stable game play and the ability to add more content in a way that actually works and is playable. They also need to change how they are monetizing the game, the time to sell ships is over, they need to focus on either cosmetics, doing something like "PLEX" in eve and even an optional subscription that gives more in game perks. Those are all things that will be much healthier long term as well, it will net them less income initially, but it will enable them to survive much longer and actually have a product that is enjoyable.

A new indie game, "Qanga" (on Steam) has so many features like Star Citizen; with only 5 developers, and space flight with more realistic speeds, unlike in "Mindless Modes". BTW, you are correct... The new "space" is horrible looking. C'mon CIG!

I can tell you for me. I completely stopped playing and canceled my sub after 6 years because of MM I don't object to a MM type feature. I completely object to fake speed governors implemented by cig when we have variable throttle and adjustable speed limiters. People have to take the time to learn throttle control and how to use those speed limiters. It should take time to build skill. It should not just be flat and easy The only purpose of slowing everything down is to flatten the flight model to make it easier for new players to get into game. New players= New money. All this does is drop the skill level to the floor and make combat extremely boring. I signed up for a space Sim MMO, And that's how this project has always been marketed since day one. I did not sign up for a boring arcade game space shooter.. I completely feel scammed for all the money I spent over the years on this project supporting them.. And I'm even considering liquidating my whole hanger even though now ships only go for half the price on the gray market now that people are quitting the game.. And to top this off, CIg makes the skybox green because they love to break one feature to put a Band-Aid on another broken feature. How about they just make huds with variable brightness adjustments and colors so the player can set what works best for them. Instead of making space green. CIG have completely lost their way since they moved to Manchester. It just seems like the marketing team is in charge over there, and I believe that's why Todd pappy and others left

It takes too long to do what you want to do, this is amplified by orders of magnitude when you run into issues! selling freight off the elevator breaks every time for me no matter which way I do it - and have tried every possible way to do it! and ends up with a character repair, now I have given up and have to resort to move RMC from a very packed Vulture to another ship then store it before selling - as moving it to the elevator has broken it to the extent that I have duplicates of my player showing up at the TDD terminals. Its a game - in star citizen the time you have to play is limited, you aren't supposed to spend every free moment of your time in it, as if you - divorce will follow! The master frustration is justified, but it appears some NPC reclaimers seem to defy the laws of of master modes and can out run and turn a fighter sometimes this patch - and the targetting display of them is also bugged so you cant see the strike you make on the display you have to rely on watching the hull for the strikes.

mm and skybox are the main 2 things that make me sad, not played in months, barely touched 3.22 because I knew mm was coming.

I am one of those concierge backers who enjoyed testing in the PTU until they implemented the subscriber requirements. It felt like you were being punished for spending money in this game and i refuse to go down this path . Now I am relegated to wave 3 or 4 which takes more than a month to get to, so I no longer bother . By this time any enthusiasm has gone out the window. After watching evocoti and wave one backer videos for over two months for 3.24, there is no excitement when the patch reaches the PU. CIG has lost touch with its backers. The sad part is CitizenCon is around the corner at which time we will be dosed up with fantastic marketing and bigger promises and all the anger you mentioned below will go away because most of us just want to believe. Please try to keep holding CIG accountable with videos like this after CitizenCon, for unless the majority of backers maintain the path that these items are unacceptable nothing is going to change. Great video

RE: MM, that's true but on the other hand, Newtonian Physics would also mandate that lasers fire as one continuous beam of light instead of the segmented beams ala Star Wars pew pews.

Not much has happened since last CitizenCon. While I do believe cargo handling is a step forward, there is still bounty hunting, the medical profession and so much more that keeps falling off the map. They have to release more than one "thing" a year.

Part lf the problem is that someone at cig mistook tedious with complex, the hardest part in any game mechanic if making it complex without turning it tedious, star citizen looks like it added all the tediousness but somehow doesn't even feel that complex, only annoying

Apparently CIG sounds like it's the kind of place where the right hand doesn't know it has a left hand, let alone what it is doing. As any popular company knows, you can't piss-off too many of your consumers or you won't be in business very long. In March 24, the active user base was over 500k and today it's barely 50k. That speaks volumes. If things don't change and CIG doesn't start appeasing their player base, they won't need server meshing because at this rate, by the time it's ready (2028? 2029?), the active player base will be down to about 5k.

Look at the current year. Look when the development started. Look how the thing we had in our hands has changed( Not much if you just spectate). Look at all the shiny trailers with things NOT in our hands. IMHO they need something big, soon. Like a sq42 release. Not a date, a release, because Dates will just get pushed around again.

I believe that khris is trying to “drain” the project and declare bankruptcy and quietly sail off into the sunset on his “honestly earned” little yacht 😁😁😁

The game launcher is broken for some of us and it hasn’t been patched. Needless to say I haven’t played in months. They need to fix that.

Honestly I just stopped playing this game the main reason being that the wipes that they do make all your hard work kind of pointless. Think about it if I grind cargo missions etc and finally buy that expensive ship I wanted it's all for nothing because of the wipe they do almost every patch unless you buy a ship with real money which is expensive especially because the game is already $40, My point is I found that I don't have a purpose when playing, at first my purpose was saving for a expensive ship but like i mentioned it gets wiped so its again POINTLESS I just quit recently don't plan on playing again until they slow down the patches or stop the wipes

"speed limiter is not realistic" - well, it wasn't realistic before MM also. In reality ship should accelerate endlessly up to speed of light )) I agree with people who say that even "slow" MM would be ok if 6DOF equal speeds would be allowed.

I haven't played since November 2023, and it doesn't look like I've been missing much.

past angry, don't give a fuck if game ever gets released anymore

So entire space contaminate with green toxic gas 😂

I hate MM.

Mastermodes is garbage, it made me stop playing. I happily played through all the bugs and weird stuff since 2014. Now green space, all this other not only unnecessary but bad stuff... and still, no exploration. How are they failing this hard after all these years?

MM absolutely has 6 degrees of freedoms. But speeds above SCM when in SCM mode have drag and different limits.

Lefties are treated like high tech Leppers! no default left handed keybind file! - you think this is trivial but is actually a big time consuming problem I face every single patch when they change the keybinds is that they break for me - there is something very wonky going in the background, I'm a left hander so you can imagine a lot of the keys have to be changed - it also means swapping the left and right mouse buttons too... as you want to use your proper trigger finger don't you? .. I use the defaults mouse settings running OS tasks, because I used to deal with end users machines who were right handed, but not gaming, I want to use my proper trigger finger for that... this is where one of the big bits of stupidity comes in, every time I run the game I have to go into options and manually reset the mouse buttons to exactly how they are saved in the keybinds file else either of the buttons when pressed will aim and fire at the same time- this is nuts! the other issue is the joystick.. if its not plugged in before the game launches its not recognised, there is no excuse for it, if Elite can pick up your controllers at any time you choose to plug it in so can SC its been 10 years after all...

Feels like they're moving away from the ability to have solo citizens. And I agree. I kind of liked black space.

Feel the same way - CIG is making a good game worse. I just downloaded Qanga. A good alternative will not hurt.

Don’t forget the damn cruise control , and the change in keys.

Don't like current Master Modes but they will be tweaking it over time. Current implementation of cargo handling is laborious, needs trolleys to load & move multiple boxes & ability to purchase SCU boxes from your hangar. Having to move boxes 1 at a time by hand isn't fun. You can argue that it'll be fixed over time but the more this goes on, the more players will decide to just not log in to play which hurts the project even more. It's much harder to get people to come back to your game (and potentially spend more money on ships) once they've had enough of the BS

I dont care about the pitch that was sold for the game, I only care that the game feels good to play and MM does not feel good, I am not a PVP'er at this stage and its still feels childish slow and silly to me

I’ve given the game a long break and it’s been good. No discontent. Might give it another look once the Zeus ships are out but once master modes came into play I pretty much lost interest. I got to play a fair bit over the years. Can’t say I got my moneys worth but that’s on me. No hate.

Thank you for your video. I just don't understand why they don't listen to any feedback of the community.

You can do bunkers for the thousandth time. The same bunkers same npcs in the exact same places Or you can go try to find the 2 quant rocks in THE WHOLE START SYSTEM Or you can run cargo for 9k each. Run about 100 of those and you can afford a aurora Or just be bored in the game as usual

The cargo missions are working fine from New Babbage/Port Tressler, at least the Rookie ones. The only thing I have found is if you load stuff on the freight elevator to go to the warehouse it does not clear the platform completely

I am willing to bet CIG is meeting with lawyers on "How to shut down without being sued" . This game is never coming out.

Space being changed is likely a memory saver, I don't know how they rendered it before but now they seem to be running out of options and are being forced to cut corners.

2:48 so I hopped in as soon as the patch dropped and went to ITA to grab some Beryl. Only to find out after I bought enough to fill my Taurus up that the cargo elevators were not working. I checked in after each Hot Fix patch going back to Ryder outpost to see if the cargo elevator worked for me. On the fourth hot patch it worked, but the main point for this comment is to point out that I never lost that initial purchase of cargo. So despite the hot fixes, cargo, other bunker stuff I collected, etc. did not disappear when the patch was hot fixed.

I like the cargo thing they implemented, but inventory access is in the toilet now. I went out to do some ROC mining, then had to retreat to a station because my ROC was full, then i couldnt sell the minerals. yeah this tech demo is a little busted lol

That green soup is terrible.

elevator curse is strong

I think the correct solution is to implement real g Force reaction on your player character, and this would have the same impact as the intended master modes. Just let people going 1200 m/s that try to take a hard turn, just let their head pop off

Because CIG betrayed the millions of backers who made 750 million happen. We weren’t told or shown what master modes was until it already was too late. Back in the day, they asked us if we wanted more scope.

Almost none of the ships will fly if we use Newtonion Mechanics. It a fine scifi game but trying to be real is a major fault when the ART is first and the function is last.

Space cows, water, green space. Entire year of accomplishments. Ship store the only thing that works.

COULD NOT AGREE MORE!! I've been a supporter since 2014 and this mastermode is buggering up the game, and I'm actually thinking of claiming back my $10K.

Someone should organize a voting pole for the master mode issue. Let's see the players vote. And the moving boxes thing is really difficult to accept, very very boring.

In regards to MM, I'm curious if we'll be having a similar debate when armor tech is introduced. When fighters see another "nerf" and become akin to flies against the windshield. IMO, MM is a good step in a great direction to balance realism with fun gameplay. It needs a Lot of work as in order for fighters to remain viable as things progress they need to retain their elusivness. Being nearly impossible to hit but posing nearly no significant threat of meaningful damage against a heavily armored target outside of disabling exposed external systems or weaponry. (Thinking x-wing v star destroyer)

Honestly, very little of what we get these days is aligned with what I thought I'd pledged for 13 years ago. Haven't played in over 6 months now. Every patch, every dev interview just feels as if the goal is now "call of duty in space".

Master modes is a horrendous immersion breaking experience.

I don't get why they want to physicalize everything. I worked as a grocery stocker. It's boring. Why the hell would you want to do that in game with more boxes but not using your real hands so it's even clunkier and worse?

The biggest problem with master modes is about ships that don't have quantum engines. Cig is completely a bullshit company because of that. They didn't anticipated how these ships can't just fly at high speeds! They are limited to speed like in SCM mode and this is ridiculous for these developers. Just try P72 Archimedes... Before MM you could fly 1400 m/s. Now you can fly max at 700 m/s... Just LOL and pathetic.

Space should be BLACK. Unless, of course, maybe you're in the middle of a nebula cloud... Is Stanton supposed to be located within a nebula? Hmm. 🤔 I'd have to agree, it's UGLY. I'm not a fan of green either... Maybe if it had been blue hues instead of green, I might like it better... but the empty blackness of space is preferable in either case, yes.

The 6DoF is what set SC apart from everything else. Niw that it is gone with MM, I have no reason to play or spend money on the game.

I think the new skybox is more realistic to the universe, Stanton looks to be very near or on the edge of a nebula

What if NAV mode or maybe even Decoupled would lift the speed limits, making flight fully Newtonian. However, the faster you go, the more damage your hull takes, and the more wear on your components, due to space dust and debris ravaging your ship. This could make the maneuver exceptionally dangerous, and only worth risking in a desperate situation?

The hate on master modes is still crazy, CIG said they are improving and adding more to it. So let them cook, cuz they clearly gave us raw ingredients and people are treating it as the final product

So Star Citizen is experiencing what Cube World did? For Context Cube World Alpha was way different game from Cube World Release ... it was actually so different the dev started new project called Cube World Omega where he tries to make Cube World true to the Alpha.

Automatic post (whatever that means) my ass! No way I believe that!

This is the patch from hell part 2. 3.18 part deux...lol

Because it is time for CIG needs to pull up the big boy pants and get it done.

New green skybox and space dust is too much. Sometimes I fly in third person in space I have feeling like its snowing and its wierd feeling.

Lol the Guys which wants a realistical flightmodel don't have a Idee what this means... In space you can't fly like in atmosphere, space battles weren't possible. In fact they want a arcade like space shooter.

When calling atc i want hangar doors to open; no queue!

Some players forget we'll get a big wipe ( rep, money & ship bought in game ) in 4.0. I was thinking stop playing Sc until release of next big patch but I love this game, perso, I don't have any problem with mission cargo hauling

I hate MM it took the freedom of making your own way in the verse

I just find it hard to log in, do a tram ride then take forever to do anything etc, its a chore not a game currently

Did anyone complain when speeds were capped at an arbitrary and unrealistic ~1,000-1200 m/s? If not, then don't complain now about it being "unrealistic."

Make space great again?

Also what is the point of having fire mechanics when a ship is blown up in just a few seconds of an engagement? I mean why worry about working on that instead of fixing shit what is already in and broken. Also why not fix the original Hornet issues rather then developing a new one to sell us. This is why I am pissed personally. At this point I feel they are just trying to grab as much money as they can before the project completely collapses. Why else would they rush out broken patches just to introduce the new ships for sale.

It takes so long to get something in open put and then it's hardly there long before live so I don't bother anymore.

MM could be better if they kept some of the old flight models

I love the green space, its so much easier to see dark objects (salvageable, mineable, asteroids, ships, etc.) that aren't being lit by Stanton.

Master modes is like those childish side wheels at the first bike when youngling cant handle balance yet. It keep it strait but don't allow to lay at turns which is essential in counter centrifugal force. Hard to handle when you're used to handle bike with 200km/h at highway, don't you think cig?

The new spacescape is awful, and it makes me claustrophobic. If they reallly want it to have a green hue to clearly differentiate we are in Stanton, then decrease brightness by a lot, maybe as much as 90%, and it would be fine.

#1 remove MM, it destroys the immersion of fundamental space flight #2 delete the green vomit skybox, this isn't a cartoon game or EveOnline

Странно, что люди считают игру вышедшей, ведь даже то, что сервер называется live это всё ещё тестовая платформа, просто более стабильная чем ПТУ

Hate the new skybox