Why Stealth Rocks Aren't Used In Competitive Pokemon VGC

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@fatesend8637 Год назад

This makes me want to make a bulky hazard team with perish song. Not sure how realistic it is with all the legends running around, though.

@MrZer093 Год назад

Wolfe Glick got second I believe at a Worlds during gen 5 with a perish song team. Don’t underestimate it!

@keksauce Год назад

@@MrZer093 that was a trapping team tho, which is way better for this sorta bulky team than hazards

@ChangerOfNames Год назад

ill try my best to add to the idea a bit and maybe another can finish it up you could mainly use the toxic spike hazard, and have a few fighting pokemon, to help get rid of normal and steel types that can learn rapid spin, and make sure most of your pokemon simply have protect, fly, dig, wide guard, reflect, etc, to keep blocking, and kill your opponents with poison, maybe a steel type we just need 1 more person to make the ideal team, and fix up my mistakes

@user-vh3co9xv8g 5 месяцев назад

In theory it would be very cool but perish song would only be used as a worse whirlwind or roar. Perish song would be used as a tool to pressure mons to switch out but why use perish and let the opponent switch on their own terms and in a specific position when you can just force it out? Also perish song won't ever prock in this team

@somerandomgamer8504 29 дней назад

WolfeyVGC: did someone say Perish Song?

@SantosOverlord Год назад

Kleavor grining in the distance

@tylerd1297 Год назад

Glimmora

@SantosOverlord Год назад

@@tylerd1297 more like t spikes then stealth rock rl

@totole_ Год назад

Stealth Rock could have seen some use in Series 12 with Charizard, Shedinja, Incineroar and Focus Sash mons in the meta but unfortunately there were no real good non-restricted setter in the format (because obviously you want to deal hard damage with your Groudon, Dialga or Necrozma)

@PumaPants248 Год назад

I messed around with Mudsdale and he honestly can tank anything but a Kyogre and if you don’t have an apparent weakness policy stamina combo people fake it out or just ignore it which is why I run inner focus. He was a consistent rock setter. Rocks plus stab high horsepower and inner focus kinda shut down incineroar

@lawtonadams4235 Год назад

You say but in double ubers my dialga with trick room stealth rock eq and protect does hella work. (Remember this is a 6v6 format so there is just more opportunity for stealth rock damage and with focush sash calrex shadow being so dominant as well as yveltal it brings a lot to the table

@duckymomo7935 Год назад

The distribution of stealth rock is rare and you want it on support Pokémon: too bad regileki, whimsicott and gtimmsnarl don’t have it

@blank_ivysaur Год назад

@@lawtonadams4235 dialga in vgc was an auto lock for dynamax sweeper and rarely even flexed trick room onto its set.

@Verdant_Flare Год назад

The pokemon limit to 4 per team also means there's less switches to be had, so you would on minimum number of switches in VGC only get 2 instances of damage with a hazard, versus a minimum of 5 in singles so even if the opponent doesn't switch in on super effectives you're doing more than double the damage per hazard and that's not even factoring in how good the non damaging hazards are in singles, who needs tailwind when sticky web is basically free priority

@furutapark Год назад

given incineroar's overwhelming usage and it's reputation for pivoting I'd think that trainers would look for every opportunity to limit it

@nathanmears6440 Год назад

That does make sense at first, but then you realize that even incineroar will come in maybe like 3 times in a game. Due to how short matches are and the fact that one of those will likely be the first turn before rocks are up, you could do way more than 50% damage to that slot, whether it’s by setting up or just eq’ing, that the rocks would do to just incin

@blank_ivysaur Год назад

@@nathanmears6440 unless there was a viable support mon that got rocks with room in its moveslots

@leahbeah1585 Год назад

Imagine this scenario, you see I have incineroar on my team and use you first turn to go for stealth rock, while I double into your partner and knock it out, you’ve just completely lost momentum in order to set up something that will deal damage the 2 or 3 times I switch a Pokémon out this entire game. It isn’t worth it.

@skeetermania3202 Год назад

@@leahbeah1585 Your onion, m8. Now give me your pie!

@wrigthtalekenavi2066 7 месяцев назад

and then, there is this fact that the incineroar is a lead pokemon, which goes first, does its thing and leaves the scene. its presense on the field is more important than its average HP, which would keep it alive until incin's teammates pick you up.

@huggettebu 7 месяцев назад

the subtitles were wild in the beginning

@mr.cauliflower3536 Год назад

Also games are much shorter and so you won't have that many opportunities to force a switch, or benefit from the enemy being dissuaded from switching.

@slayeroffurries1115 Год назад

also, because 2v2 so much more offensive oriented since you can double on a single mon, the chip damage from stealth rocks is not as valuable as an actual attack or support move

@bigdigjay Год назад

be crazy if stone ax actualy sets up stelth rock

@blank_ivysaur Год назад

It does

@maxdubs222 7 месяцев назад

Will-o-wisp baby it’s the way to go

@johnes Год назад

I was just thinking about this today. Synchronicity 🎉

@FlyingAce427 Год назад

I wasn't even listening to the video, the clip with Torterra getting knocked out by the Excadrill was just sad. 🙁

@robertoalexandermendezmore408 Год назад

This aged in a very funny way

@derrickallen8138 Год назад

I hope in scarlet/violet hazard moves deal damage when used like in Arceus especially since Hisuian (Decidueye) pokemon are able to be in it

@EarthSpirit.easyzdota Год назад

Stealth rock + red card is where its at

@JRR31 Год назад

Very well said Mr boosted!

@afish2281 Год назад

Only pokemon that could hope to do this is Glimmora with Toxic Debris. Even then its hidden ability, Corrosion, is a better ability by a long shot

@kopo9152 Год назад

Jeez I wonder if they will ever make a pokemon that won't waste a turn for a setup like that

@TheDreadfulGhost Год назад

After what I saw in the leaks, that might change honestly. Won’t say how of course, but we’ll see

@mintb3868 Год назад

I'm sorry, I don't understand. What did you see that makes you think Stealth Rocks will be used more in the 4 v 4 VGC doubles format?

@TheDreadfulGhost Год назад

@@mintb3868 [SPOILERS BELOW] There are several moves/abilities that drop off hazards a lot easier. Basically attack moves that sends out hazards as well

@NotAlphaCentauri Год назад

@@mintb3868 ooopppp 🤝🤝0p0pp

@mintb3868 Год назад

@@TheDreadfulGhost Thanks for the tip! I appreciate the info. I'm still not sure that setting hazards manually in a 4 v 4 VGC doubles format will be a good use of a turn. It'll be cool if these new methods become popular but I don't really see the move "Stealth Rock" itself becoming popular in a 4 v 4 VGC doubles format. Looking forward to all the cool stuff you mentioned though!

@gregburden416 Год назад

Yeah, Kleavour and Samouratt-H are definitely going to see some use when they are brought over. Also the mon with the ability to set-up toxic spikes by getting hit is gonna be insane.

@acycle2124 7 месяцев назад

Blew my mind how protect is barely used in singles

@Dag186 7 месяцев назад

I mean you ain't gettin a real utility other than an useless turn

@oxstr8upgreekxo730 Год назад

I understand why spikes and rocks aren't as popular but why not toxic spikes

@MoxieBoosted Год назад

Same reason. Games are too quick for it to be worth it

@themonoloco8245 Год назад

People saying its broken when ur mon that would have taken halve dmg takes nothing when boots came out like ok nerd. 🤓

@blank_ivysaur Год назад

The fact that they had to add an entire item just to prevent damage for one move is pretty telling. Especially since there was the whole period where literally every single Pokémon on a single team would run boots.

@skeetermania3202 Год назад

@@blank_ivysaur Why? Doesn’t that kinda speak to hazards being too strong?

@babygrill01 23 дня назад

VGC and singles are NOT effectively the same game. Especially not vgc vs 6v6

@TaLeng2023 7 месяцев назад

Do player use Haze in vgc?

@jhaydenjoecredo3761 7 месяцев назад

Yes

@somerandomgamer8504 29 дней назад

Haze was super niche. Used on Murkrow sets back in early Scar/Vio to counter Tatsu/Dondozo.

@TyasEntertainment Год назад

Dont even bother with hazard teams in Gen9. Iron Bundle, Roaring Moon, etc all obliterate either way. Its just silly what the competitive scene looks like right now

@blank_ivysaur Год назад

If you’re referring to singles then hazards are currently in their strongest state since like pre Defog. There’s no defoggers and hardly any rapid spin users in the game and with the offensive mons and ghosts in the meta game it’s so hard to get rid of those hazards once they go up. Hazards + strong sweepers basically makes anything die outright.

@jakey-san1292 Год назад

True and accurate. I prefer singles but appreciate VGC and know how to play the format.

@dylanswientek234 Год назад

noooooooooo

@fishfox Год назад

I used it during the no dmax format where incin/rilla/tsareena were everywhere. Not nearly as effective because rilla was rampant and grassy terrain sort of neutralizes stealth rock but at least it makes gettjng rid of incin easier.

@tehli6726 Год назад

"...in what is essentially the same game..." proceeds to explain all the ways VGC is different then Showdown competitive. Should have just made a video explaining the diff between the two.

@iSluff Год назад

dont play vgc, has tspike ever been used as a niche option for a fourth move slot? seems to me that you could stack up some nice damage with all the protecting and mind games that go on.

@GravityIsFalling Год назад

no, toxic takes like 5 turns to do it's shit and by then the game's ended lol

@leahbeah1585 Год назад

Takes too long, poison in general is practically never used, if you want status your time is much better spent on para for speed control, burn to limit their damage output or sleep cuz sleep is busted, all 3 have much much more value when matches are so short compared to doubles

@skeetermania3202 Год назад

@@leahbeah1585 Maybe that’s why Toxic’s distribution was cut?

@somerandomgamer8504 29 дней назад

Why use toxic spikes when you can Sludge Bomb and get all that damage upfront?