Why Stockton Rush Didn't Test His Sub 

Apologies for showing a picture of the wrong guy when talking about Karl Stanley! It turns out the guy I showed was called 'Karl' or 'Kyle' but wasn't him! When I looked him up on google, I saw this guy, so thought it was. He was actually in the submersible in the Bahamas, on a different trip.

it shows how narcissism eventually destroys the narcissist as well

The narcissist not being able to scrutinize his own work out of fear of feeling unworthy was very insightful.

It boils down to this. Stockton wanted all the “perks” of being a credible contender within the submersibles community without putting in the work or the time required for 100% certification. He wanted to be a “rule breaker” and a trail blazer at the high cost of his own life and greater yet, the lives of paying clients who trusted him. 😢

Yes! 'Maybe he'd rather die than admit failure.' This does make sense of this debacle.

Rush’s take on ‘breaking rules’ even when lives were at stake, reminds me of Elizabeth Holmes’ attempt at same. If Rush had not gone on that dive, I wonder if he would have been criminally indicted.

Apparently he pursued potential clients quite aggressively. Or maybe a kinder word would be “proactively”. The father/son duo who declined taking a dive on the Titan (different father/son duo would take their places on the fatal dive) said Stockton tried very hard to convince them to go when they started expressing doubts. He went as far as to fly to Vegas to wine and dine them to try to seal the deal. It was only when he revealed he had flown in on a _plane he built himself_ that the dad realised, as he put it, “This man has a larger acceptable risk tolerance than myself. I’m out.” Adds an extra ick to it that he was not just allowing people to risk their lives, but wheedling them into doing so for the 250k per head.

Psychological issues aside, Rush is what we would call in the US, a snake oil salesman.

He reminds me quite a lot of Lance Armstrong. Anyone who questioned or mentioned his (and his teams) illegal behaviors faced just vicious and brutal retaliation. From Armstrong. Reporters, teammates (and their wives) all manner of people. Same type of dynamic.

I totally agree with your take on this. An intelligent, wealthy, confident man who couldn't even consider that others knew more than him. He went on the submersible himself and died, imagine the confidence you have to have in your own creation to die that way after being told your craft wasn't safe.

One thing I'd like to point out: While submerisbles do not need to worry about sea-states, the crew that launches and retrieves them certainly must.

Its called Narcissism. His Narcissism wouldn’t allow him to see the sub as a failure as its a mirror of him. You can also see it in his eyes

The level of ignorance he portrayed is just astonishing!!!

I could see being a trust fund kid part of this too. They don’t live in reality, they don’t need to work for anything, everything is always immediately handed to them and then when they actually need to listen to others and not have something at the snap of a finger it’s too much for them.

At one point, stockton had said the missions are "extremely safe"....at another point he said, "safety just is...pure waste". Rush didn't only not listen to others, he didn't even listen to himself! And, did I hear correctly? "It's very dangerous down there"... No, rush - it 's very dangerous inside of your vessel!

I think another factor that should be factored in is he was outright rejected from the astronaut program due to a vision defect prior to his aeronautical engineering career and transition into submersibles. But at Ocean Gate he was king of the kingdom and there was no one to hold him to the basic rules and principles of operator safety. I think it’s telling that he personally piloted the submersible. Totally think everything you put forward makes sense. This additional detail just adds to the desperation he likely felt to push forward at all costs. I bet every risk he took was partially informed by some need to prove NASA wrong-to show them they were fools for rejecting him over eyesight because now he’s king of the seven seas.

I lived for a long time on a very small island (5 by 13 miles), that is used as an exclusive summer resort by very very rich people. A thing that all the normal people who live there have learned about the super rich is...they are the cheapest people in the world. They NEVER pay their bills. NEVER. This is with reference to the discussion about whether Stockton Rush was skimping on safety to save money., and whether his being rich and from a rich background affected that. When the mega rich first appeared on the island about 60 years ago, the local tradesmen were happy to do business with them: fix roofs, and plumbing issues, which arise every year after winter storms, provide catering etc.. But they soon discovered that it was impossible to make them pay their invoices. Asking for money upfront made no difference, because the other thing that the rich ALWAYS did was, anyone who did any work for them, found that they would be sued. The rich always claimed that the trades people had 'damaged" something or other, and used lawyers to drown them in motions. . This became so pervasive and so known, that all locals just stopped doing business with them. Now the rich, if their toilets are blocked, or their a/c breaks, or their speed boat engines need work..they have to fly in their own people do to the work, because no one will touch them. Rich people are awful, crazy, and are willing to SPEND money in order to fuck over not rich people. And break laws and contracts in a manner that seems to indicate that the whole point of their behaviour is to SHOW that "these rules are for little people, I'm rich because I'm smarter and know these things don't matter"...even though they usually haven't earned their money, they inherited it... like Elon Musk, and Trump. There are some exceptions. Bill Gates is always perfectly straight, behaves like a normal person, and tips really well. He also only flies on commercial flights, never uses private or hired planes. Why? Well, one reason is...they are far too dangerous. Private planes aren't regulated the same way as commercial flights, and they kill rich people at quite an amazing rate. But it seems that the rich consistently confuse "expensive" with "good". And would rather die by that maxim, that admit that government regulation is a good idea.

We’ve been absolutely glued to this story. Great to hear your take on it. Thank you! 🖤

His desire to be unique explains why he chose carbon fiber for the hull, when those who’ve successfully built submersibles know that carbon fiber is a woefully inappropriate material. He essentially even tells his friend discussion of using carbon fiber is off-limits. It’s certainly no accident that Rush chose an unregulated industry. Maybe I’m wrong, but there seems to also be an element of thumb-nosing at the other submersible-builders.

You may not have become a legend, Mr. Rush, but you sure did become a Tale of Caution. The fact that he put himself in danger as well was the only respectable thing I could feel about him... but now, after seeing previous dives with different pilots, I’m more convinced everyone else quit and he had to pick up the reins himself or that fatal dive would be cancelled. Desperation is different than courage, even if they are both very motivational. If his own self worth was truly linked to that sub, then going down with the ship was an act of universal mercy. Death was likely better than living to see the devastating fallout of his risky business venture “innovation” killing his clients. He was finished no matter what.

The submersible came to the college campus near me and the public was allowed to check it out and sit inside it. So many people were part of the team and it all seemed completely legitimate. My son asked about safety and we were assured it was beyond safe.

He put his ego before safety. The big lesson of titanic.

Great video, as always, and thank you for the insight! Whenever I hear the name "Stockton Rush", I think he sounds like a character in a novel. It just suits his personality so well and sounds like what you would choose to name a super rich narcissist if you were writing a fictional book.

You nailed it. It’s clearly his narcissism which I haven’t seen described anywhere else.

He reminds me of a perpetual 10 year old who plays at being an adult, doing adult things, but is really just a kid dreaming large. I believe we can become emotionally stuck at the age where trauma occurred or began. In Rush's case, what you said about his birth order makes a lot of sense. It contributed to his obstinate personality. It's just terribly unfortunate that it cost four others their lives. It feels like manslaughter or at least criminal negligence. Brilliant analysis as always. You have such an excellent grasp on the complexities of narcissism, I must say. Thank you so much ❤

Rush: "You're not an expert on carbon fiber submersibles" There were only two in the world.

One word is all you need to sum this man up: Icarus.

He and the 77 year old french male said yhey didn't mind if something went wrong because it'd be so fast you'd never know. That's a dangerous person to trust with your life.

I have to admit that I laughed when you said, ‘Surely a submarine should be able to cope…with waves.’ But this is such a tragedy - he seems like a thrill seeker with low empathy for others.

Oh I've been waiting for this video from you! This is going to be fascinating! 😱

Thank you so much for covering this story! ❤️ I always appreciate your insight. I feel so bad for the 4 people dead at the hands of this very narcissistic man. I hope Oceangate is held accountable.

Half a pound of carbon fibre Half a pound of ego Mix it up with Millionaires greed And Pop Goes The Weasel

Very well observed. I hope they'll change the rules and make them more stringent. This shows that self-regulation doesn't work.

Your cat battling with his perfectionism in the background 🤭! So cute!

Telling his dissenters they were “disturbing” rather than examine his own actions is classic gaslighting.

There are several people now who say they wished they had done more to warn him, that they should have been more vocal. We know he fired dissenters and surrounded himself with “yes men”. Can you speak to the psychology of being in that position-was it more of them just throwing up their hands and giving up, or did they perhaps tend to assume Rush had overcome the problems? Was there more they could have realistically done? 🖤

Stockton Rush: 'If you ain't first, you're last. ' 🏆

So great to get your perspective on this. I’ve been thinking a lot about the type of personality would allow for this type of tragedy. It’s so sad what happened.

I think he enjoyed when the sub "acted,up' so he could "call it". He liked being the boss. He was an asshole. That Explorerss Club presentation was a whopper!!

Well said. Enjoyed your perspecitive. His behavior now makes sense to me.

I believe Stockton didn't care if he died in the sub. As long as he left his mark on the world, whether good or bad.

So happy there’s been more videos from you recently. Love your channel. ❤

I’m concerned about how this guy could manage to get someone to pay 250,000 to ride in that death trap!

I believe you’re on the money when you say he expected it to work. I believe his attitude towards the success of the titan is linked to the experience many people who grow up wealthy experience…that is, things work or are relatively easy to fix when you’re wealthy. Add in his male entitlement and you have the ingredients for a person that isn’t going to be told he’s wrong and/or something is wrong with his sub. The subs behaviours were a direct reflection on him and his capabilities and he wasn’t gonna take that. Reminds me of a narcissistic parent.

I think he was inspired by watching Ghostbusters II when they used a video game controller to control the Statue of Liberty 😬

Because he's a narcissist. Sad for the people who went down with him.

He wasn't suicidal, he was homicidal. Control.

6:25 Strong waves make launch and retrieval of the sub from the mothership difficult. Rough seas die off very quickly as you dive and the sea is very calm within 10s of meters, even if it's a force 10 on the surface. Bonkers story anyway. Definitely a lot of egos at play.

I tend to think he actually knew subconsciously (or maybe even consciously) that it was such a risk and so faulty that it wouldn’t survive any testing, but his ego was too big to admit this, and therefore a sort of cognitive dissonance/other psychological and ego-based factors kicked in where he became convinced in proving that it wasn’t a risk/faulty by not testing it…which is logically flawed of course lol.

He reminds me so much of Ted Bundy

Not suicidal, just full of himself. This was another great analysis! Love hearing your take on these stories!

Wikipedia states, that Titan vessel made about 13 successful dives down to Titatic (6 in 2021, 7 in 2022). There was statements about hull degradation (with depth limitation to 3000 meters) in 2021, but whether Titan hull was rebuild or reinforced after that is unknown.

Your presentation in this video felt powerfully motivating. I'm not sure how to explain it, but each message becomes clearer and clearer to my understanding of how situations are operating around me. You're leadership in this community makes a profound impact. Thank you for another amazing video! ❤

It's what I have thought: his principal motivation was to show up the experts. You're right, of course, about failure's being necessary to success. If a Beatles fan studies the recording sessions, he'll find out that time and time and time again, they would use up an entire recording session, decide none of the takes was good enough, and try it again the next evening, or maybe the next year. They did 104 takes of the Harrison song, Not Guilty, for The White Album, and decided none of them was good enough. Some of the outtakes of Beatles' attempts to record are very, very funny. They laugh, maybe blame one another ( but not in a hostile way ) make rude jokes, and try it again. In the last years of his life, John Lennon said to George Martin that if it were possible, he'd make every Beatles recording over. Healthy egos vs. the teetering ego of a narcissist like Rush. He had to prove everyone else was wrong.

I'm a teacher.. and I have to fight with impostor syndrome everyday... How can this people not doubt themselves?

Each time he overcame failure - it was boost to his ego and belief of utter invincibility. It is like snowball to hell which appears as carefree fun joyride at the beginning.

I was watching the background for your assistant to make an appearance with a little comedic relief.

I have another explanation. I think he knew there was an issue and we are talking about a limiting number of dive. But a test is still a dive. He knew this trip would have been a do or die situation for the company. And due to what I heard he was in severe money problems. So this dive was so important that he took 3 people and mr Titanic with him in death. But I’m sure he also had some psychotic issues

Careful with the intelligent diagnosis. His flying and university education can be explained with his families wealth

Today I read that after firing the head pilot for raising concerns, he tried to convince the head accountant to take up the role of head pilot. The accountant had zero experience to pilot so she refused, got freaked out that he would even ask and she quit as soon as possible. Not only is that scary but thinking about what if he wasn't down there in the final dive, what extent would he go to in order to cover this up and/or blame others.

He drank his own kool-aid!

Oooh so glad you are covering this, can’t wait for your dive into this guy! FYI- I don’t think that guy in your video is Karl Stanley, you can find a great interview with him from a channel named ACE.

Notice that Stockton didn’t defend his sub, he instead went on the offensive and attacked the motive, integrity, and intelligence of the person voicing concern

Titan was a book about a ship that sank.. why would you name the very experimental submarine that you plan to use to go visit the Titanic after a book about a sinking ship. tempting fate and irony wow, guess he wanted that full Titanic experience😒

I believe he didn't want to test it no more than he wanted to certified his "creation" simply and purely because he knew.... He knew it wouldn't have pass for sure. But what drives him to event want to embarq in such a dangerous thing puzzle me the most.........

Soooo glad you are covering this! I have been fascinated by this whole story; the who, what, why, when & where of everything, but mostly of course, the WHY! I have been nauseated thinking of them hearing awful cracks & wondering what, & WHEN...& then...ugh!! So upsetting to think of the gory details, I try not to, but can't help but be sooo curious! He should have had more than enough money to build the Titan STRONGER, & BETTER...I just CAN'T get over this senseless tragedy, & i feel deeply for the loved ones left behind.😭💔🥺

At 4:45 when the woman says “I was thinking we’re not gonna make it” she wasn’t talking about her life or getting back to the surface but making it to see titanic. For these titaniacs that seems to be literally ALL they care about.

It's great to hear about this story from a different perspective, thanks :)

I'm so happy to see your vids. I have to go back and watch them all ❤❤

I wonder if throughout his life he engaged in risk taking behaviors that worked out for him to the point that each risk seemed almost like a promise. He could have been blinded by past successes to possible failures.

I think the youngest child in a large family sort of gets treated like a pet. Anything that is important is handled by someone else. So if you try to do something, it is just easier to have someone else do it. Which, probably comes off as a lack of confidence in your capability. Which would make him prickly any time anyone questions his judgement.

A touch of Elizabeth Holmes here....unable and unwilling to admit any amount of failure, even when people's health, wellbeing, even lives are at stake. Nothing more important than their pride

Hi!!!! Haven't seen your vids on my feed for AGES!!! So glad u are "back" on my feed ❤

how ironic i ran into your channel. live abuse free. then i read further that you help people in narcissistic abuse. i am currently in an extemely narcassistic, gas lighting, sometimes physical abusive relationship. also have BPD, i feel trapped. and no where to turn. i will definately check out your videos.

I am so excited for you that you are starting to better monetize your knowledge with your courses. I love learning from you.

This was such a great video thank you!

I agree with your take on this. Although why he did not seem suicidal. His Ego was so BAD that he would risk not only his life but other people as well. Not caring about your own safety or other's. Seems Suicidal to me.

This is the best analysis I've seen on this guy. Spot on.

What really baffles me is that the experienced divers that went down with him didn’t seem to have any issues with this thing!!! What?! How? 😵‍💫

I always enjoy your insight and hope you never stop sharing it. Also, it seems like someone who is born into wealth, good school, his family's history and accomplishments are amazing apparently, you might think this would make him feel secure or confident. Instead, not having overcome issues himself, he doesn't have any idea of what it takes to succeed. And when it doesn't happen immediately, he feels like a collossol failure. He's totally disconnected from reality... He can't even appreciate his wealth because it comes with a terribly high burden of expectations... So that's what Ithink... He was unprepared for life. It's like if you break open a birds shell thinking you're helping it comeinto this world, and then it dies because the struggle actually makes its guts strong and makes the little bird pull together physically. This trip was the symbol of him being able to do it on his own.

As usual your sharp analysis of the subject/issue you tackle is so helpful. Thank you ever so much for sharing. 😊

I struggle with perfectionism as does my mother, youngest sister and her daughter as well as my middle son. None of us are narcissists, but it definitely is a struggle to try not to beat yourself up over unattainable perfection. I'm not talking about safety here as I'm huge on safety and run multiple scenarios through my head on things like winter car kit, travel planning, etc. I always have exactly what we need when a problem presents itself.

Aww have missed you ❤ have got a few videos to catch up on. Yay!!

Ummmm... Did you say... "He was clearly highly intelligent!" 😅😅😅 Everything about this company and the sub design is/was ridiculous. 🙄. This video is great. I just don't want people to think this guy was smart. Every element of his company was insane. He had a fantastic way of duping people. He reminds me of that Theranos(?) girl.

Tgank you for your analysis and commentary. Its great to see this from another pov.

I’m so happy you’ve done a video on this!

Your analyses are always impartial and on point. I love your channel 👏🏻👏🏻 Thank you

Thank you for this analysis. Excellent.

Very insightful video. It's nice to hear somebody contribute something NEW and UNIQUE to this conversation, rather than the same regurgitated talking points we've heard parroted over and over again for the past 10 days.

Great to see you doing vids, Zoe, no one has the insight that you do, I absolutely love your vids. Keep them coming 💜🌼💗🌼

Very interesting information!! Your home is beautiful and your cat gave me a chuckle when he (almost) fell off the table! 😹🐈🐈‍⬛

If the US navy’s submarines can’t go down to that depth why did this guy think that his sub could safely?

I’m also so sick of when people say “you can’t judge a person’s character from cherry-picked emails.” I think how you respond to stressful situations is EXACTLY how we should judge someone’s character. To hell with the thousands of fluff emails of him likely complimenting investors and checking in how their family members are doing and wishing them well on random pursuits. Show me how someone responds when they get news that is inconvenient, stressful, and requires intervention. Those moments might be fewer in the grand calculus of life, but that’s when you see a person’s TRUE character. It’s easy for maladaptive people to look lovely when life is jolly and swell. Show us if they act properly when it’s HARD to do the right thing.

Thank you for your indepth analysis. You are plesent and your eyes honest:)

Excellent commentary. I am a distant cousin of Stockton Rush. Those of us who are direct descendants of the founding fathers of the US, can sometimes see ourselves as “special” or “better” due to the generational privilege afforded by our blue blood. I succumb to this privilege and I am not proud of this tendency and can understand how the ego can be inflated. We can be dismissive of others for no good reason and at our peril.

Stockton Rush vid. Narcissism ruins lives. I feel for the families of the individuals that lost their lives. I never really looked at Rush the way you did but it makes so much sense. It helps me to understand others that act in this way in my world.

You are very deep. I love your take on this. You have a very unique perspective. No one is talking about the things you mentioned. Extremely perceptive and knowledgeable of the human condition and human psychology. Incredible Job!!! The devil is in the details and you nailed this. You really tapped in to some hidden truths. Wow. New Subscriber!!

I don’t knows what motivated Stockton Rush but I think it’s exactly the same mentality that led Franz Reichelt to jump to his death from the Eiffel Tower in 1912. He had tested his experimental parachute suit multiple times using test dummies and it had not worked successfully even once. He decided what it needed was more height and got permission to test it *using dummies* from the Eiffel Tower. When he showed up wearing the suit and guards and his friends and spectators realised he was going to jump himself they all tried to stop him. Not one person other than him seemed to think he wasn’t going to die as a result, which of course he did. I don’t think these men were necessarily suicidal but they must have known- based on the concerns of everyone around them and even just common sense- that losing their lives was highly likely. I see it as the ultimate high-stakes gamble. Win, and you go down in history as a genius innovator who lives on as a legend. Lose, and you die instantly. It doesn’t get much more high stakes than that. And it’s a long-shot they were apparently willing to end their lives attempting. Reichelt didn’t take anybody else with him though, whereas Rush was apparently willing to risk others’ lives for his attempt at legacy.

Excellent analysis as usual! Thank you for your great work

Very interesting psychoanalysis. Stockton wasn't the only one this wat, PH was as well. I wonder if there wasn't a push to do this dive because in his eyes, it was either going to be a success, or he couldn't handle not being a success and wouldn't be here to have to deal with it. I also wonder about the financial stability of the company as well. Stockton did seemingly file a lawsuit against a former engineer and his wife. Was there more than one? While he paid very close attention to safety issues on parts of the Titan, there are other parts where he cut serious corners. He and his staff didn't seem to see the entire picture, which was extremely alarming to those of us who have worked underwater. Part of this was engineering, and not just the use of carbon fiber, but many, many other issues as well. Additionally, the cavalier attitude about safety and pushing comfort limits of others, which when working with ANY team underwater is an absolute red flag. That gets people killed in such an environment. It would be like pressuring a 13 year old to drive to the store in a car by themselves, and telling them it would be fine, then that they'd better do it, then that they must, giving them they keys and pressuring them to do it. In a good dive operation, or on ANY dive... If 1 person isn't comfortable with the situation, you either train them until they are comfortable, remedy the problem, or scrub that activity. No exceptions. That is how you make it home to your family after a fun or work trip offshore. Physics is not fungible. You cannot bargain with it or alter it (at least not with today's knowledge- maybe some day?) You must address it, and live within those rules, or don't and become seriously injured or die. No, I am not (at least to my knowledge) related to the Carole Reid that was mentioned in the lawsuit OceanGate's CEO filed, nor have I ever, to my knowledge, ever met the CEO. I did meet "PH" once or twice many years ago. I had concerns, and steered clear. I didn't feel that he followed the general safety culture required when working with submersibles. And that was many years ago. As for regulations in the future, I do have serious concerns about overregulation hindering other research projects. Most people in the industry take safety incredibly seriously, or we wouldn't be here. It will be interesting to see the results of the analysis of the failure of the hull. There are several serious areas of concern. The apparently expired carbon fiber used, the wrap of the carbon fiber being nearly unidirectional and without cross fibers, the air within the wrap, the viewport only being reportedly rated to 1,300m, the passthrough at the rear of the Titan, the negative buoyancy (& if the coms between surface crew and those on the vessel are legitimate, they were in an uncontrolled descent, thus being more negatively buoyant than they should have been at the surface, and this accelerated until the ballasts & skids were dropped. If true, and accurate, they were descending at about twice their already ambitious planned descent rate.) The communications between the divers outside the Titan and those inside were not worked out ahead of time, as is standard practice (as per the video by the young man who's a RU-vidr.) The constant mention of "How safe" the Titan was by the CEO, yet very little realism about the realities of the ocean environment, nor respect for the risks and challenges of being in an ocean environment. The CEO had very good sales skills, sadly to the point of telling people things that were simply untrue about the realities of the environment, and he and his staff at OceanGate seemed to ignore standard safety measures and protocols, as a whole, as evidenced by the lectures and sales materials online. I wonder about the financial status of the company, as they were apparently taking money for trips that hadn't occurred, likely wouldn't occur, and were seemingly getting in over their heads financially. $10 or 20 million doesn't go far when it comes to working in that environment. The engineering alone to create a submersible, the sonar, the fabrication, etc. is very, very expensive. Testing in proper engineering labs is incredibly expensive, as is fuel for the ships to go that far out to sea, the titanium, sonar, etc. Cables for 3-D imaging sonar units can cost hundreds of dollars. The sonar units can run $150,000+. Engineers can easily cost $120,000+/year + reports, machinery to create and test parts. The materials to test and for construction are often even more expensive. I can see where they could've easily been in financial trouble. Bills for staff, to contract out work, to even buy parts that were pre-made, to pay staff, buildings, the trips he took to promote his operations, printing for ads, a web designer, and so on The CEO spent a heck of a lot of money and dragged around the Titan for the promotions, instead of using a Model or models. That alone seemed to suggest that there was far more money going out than was coming in, and not by a little bit. This seemed more like he wanted to build this and go down in his sub, share the experience, etc. to feel "good enough" and to impress people perhaps moreso than doing this for interest, exploration and research... also a very large red flag. It reminds me of a young student I had years ago that said he wanted to take my class, "to impress his friends," which is always a red flag. (Needless to say, I had a talk with him about it, and suggested he try something that really interested him, and he ultimately did.) You should want to go underwater because you have an interest in what is there! Anyhow, interesting take on this incident. OceanGate, IMHO, had a seemingly "Yes man" culture, instead of being safe andexploring/doing research. I also find it interesting that the "crew" were supposed to be "conducting research", yet there didn't seem to be any stated objectives that had anything to do with research. The operation seemed to be more like simply a ride to see the Titanic, and wrecklessly test the submersible with passengers aboard. Note on the lightning - There were storms in the Bahamas when they were there and the Titan allegedly was affected. I also saw a photo where they seemed to be re-wiring the Titan, so it likely was affected. If the wiring was affected, I wonder if they replaced the wiring? The control modules? Perhaps they didn't, and perhaps that is why they had ongoing electrical problems? Additionally, it would be interesting to know how many dives this particular hull actually did. It would seem this was only Titan's 2nd trip to the Titanic, as other dives had been scrubbed. It would be interesting to see if it failed on it's 2nd dive, and what other dives this hull had done, in what conditions and to what depth. Thanks again.❤ Subbed. Just my $0.02.