For the record, jump pack got car in neutral then died. Key is not removable from neutral, shift lock requires a key or screw driver. Not accessible without me removing my foot from the brake.
Put it in gear. The fluid is enough to keep it from moving. Also a pocket screwdriver would hit the shift interlock. Still a noob for clicks and views.
@@supertoaster94 it's a CVT. It has 12+ quarts inside it but only holds 5 quarts in the pan. The fluid would be a resistance to the moving motion of the car. And the torque converter also is now trying to spin causing fluid to shear and keep the car from moving as much as it would in neutral. Drive is not neutral unless you have a 4L60E.
I'm not sure how any of this is relevant to what happened to Anton Yelchin. Automatic parking brakes ensure they are used every time the vehicle is put into park, reducing stress on the transmission parking pawl and ensuring the parking brake is always used (which is rarely the case with most drivers who drive vehicles with automatic transmissions, hence why electronic parking brakes are so common now). It also eliminates the cable mechanisms which often fail or become damaged/seized after a few years due to rust, etc.
Electronic parking brakes in general are stupid. There is nothing wrong with having a mechanical parking brake that you simply pull on whenever you need it but these engineers just want to overengineer everything.
To be fair there's a park lock override button under the rubber mat, just in front of your shifter. All cars have this, but they're getting better at hiding them. Just stick a pen or something in the hole, depress the override switch, shift to your desired gear, pull the pen out, and you're good to go.
@@lewis72 I dont work for a car company, but i am a design engineer. They keep telling me I'm the expert, but then ignore everything I say. Good/frustrating to know its not just my current industry
@@hammerofgayz real car people understand this almost universally. No one goes into engineering dispassionately, that’s a bean counter characteristic (Adam excluded, naturally).
There's a shift lock release in the center console forward under the rubber mat that you can release with a screw driver. Better than most other vehicles that are equipped with a small door next to the shifter that always gets damaged when removed.
@@Flyhightreklow i made up part of that low percentage haha. Definitely figured out some stuff about my car that i might not have ever figured out otherwise lol
JHC. For everyone clamoring that all parking brakes should be mechanical and Subie engineers are overthinking everything and being purposefully complicated....know this one thing. Cars equipped with Hill Hold or Hill Start Assist (like Subie) do so by utilizing an electric brake. It's so the PB can hold the car on a very steep incline or decline without your foot on the brake. This prevents ANY roll of the car while moving a foot to the acellerator. Once the accelerator is pressed the car automatically releases the PB. It's' a feature, but not without possible flaws of course.
@@WireWeHere Except the parking brake only really gets used by the car if something catastrophic breaks sending the car rolling, therefore causing an emergency. It can also be used in an emergency when the regular brakes break and no longer brake.
@@austindavid1862 That's actually another severe design flaw in Subaru. If the engine detects a fault with the throttle body, the throttle will stop responding. All it takes is an electrical fault, fuse blowing etc. Imagine pulling up to a road in front of an 18 wheeler and suddenly you're across the road with no acceleration. Super stupid design that can cost lives.
Yea because there IS a shift lock override button under the rubber mat in front of the shifter that could be pressed with almost any small stick like device like a pen....I feel like this problem is more his fault than the Subaru engineers. Just my opinion. Still give him a like and comment tho.
You forgot the other engineering screwup in the 17/18 Legacy, that huge touchscreen can be killed by the Sunlight coming in through the windows that literally acts like a giant magnifying glass and burns out little dots on the screen. Eventually the screen with start "touching itself" and changing the radio stations, making calls on your phone that's connected, or even outright deleting your phone forcing a long drawn out attempt to reconnect before the screen starts touching itself again and ignoring your inputs, or just stops working altogether.
My Chevrolet Colorado did the same thing. The guys comment about how it isn't the same as the safety aspect of the ebrake hasn't tried driving with this fun phenomenon. Radio changing, calling last called, hanging up, navigation pretending that you're driving in the middle of the ocean....
Yep, UV light is really bad for touch screens. You've seen all the Redbox video rental kiosks that have a little shade over the screen? Three guesses why they have that, and the first two don't count. As far as the car radios go, you'd think that a simple UV protecting applique would work, but apparently not, or Redbox would probably have them.
If you had read the user manual, you would know there is a shift lock release mechanism in the center console, which allows you to put into park when the battery is dead.
Ok. But most consumers would not be aware of this. You should not have to read through 800 pages on the owners manual to put the car in park or pull the handbrake.
@@AJ-zv9tneveryone has a phone tho just like this guy who's recording this video. He could've just googled, "how to shift an automatic with a dead battery". And who works on their car without tools nearby?
Also why is he even in a situation where the car is shifted into neutral while the battery is simultaneously dead? If he couldn’t figure out how to shift the vehicle while the battery was dead, he couldn’t have put it into neutral after the battery died. So this is literally his fault. Even if the battery died while he was driving he should still be in drive, which would provide enough friction to prevent rolling.
and that's why I love manual cars with a good old emergency brake actuated by a simple steel wire and a lever, you run out of battery and you just push it in second gear to turn it on and the emergency brake actually works as an emergency brake.
That's a stupid sentiment. There's no way of knowing that a car has a SPOF like this when you buy it. It's not unreasonable for a customer to expect there to be laws that prevent this kind of thing from happening, nor to expect that engineers who design cars to have some idea what the fuck they're doing. Otherwise, people should build their own cars!
@@ArcherBowman and numerous of his videos implied he's quitting youtube or something similar. His thumbnails and titles are complete clickbait, you'd have to actually watch the video to find out what it's about lol
@cabuco2006 it's been a year since this comment lmao. I've lost that 18 impreza, gained and lost an 07 Legacy 2.5GT Spec B, and am now left with 2004 WRX and 2020 outback XT. ( can't live without turbo now). I don't like driving the Outback because it has the stupid electronic E brake that I can't do jack shit with, so I kept buying older cars (after each total loss settlement) just so I can keep that ever decreasing E brake.
2020 wrx should have the same mounting location for the mech brake and have the same rear "drum rotors" just mechanical if you are brave enough to try a swap and can find the parts. I have a 2018 Crosstrek basest base model ever and am getting into modding it lol. I cannot wait to ruin the poor thing and it's fb20d!
All automatic transmissins have a button that allows you to shift the gears when the engine is off. On this Subaru its got a small plastic cover just above the gear selection indication lights.
Yeah but using the shift lock override that exists on basically every single automatic since the 90s for the exact purpose of overriding the shift lock isn't something this guy thought of
@@scottthewaterwarrior the button on the shifter asks the computer if it is allowed to do what the driver wants to do. The computer will allow movement if the action makes sense. E.g. you should be locked out of reverse and park while travelling forward. Shift lock override ignores this, because a blow tail light fuse or the situation in the video mean you need to be able to override the lockout.
The problem is not engineering!!!! Problem is people don’t know how to read an owner’s manual when they get there car to learn about it’s features and how to use them.
Observation: If the car doesn’t shift gears when the battery is dead, then there’s really no reason for engineers to worry if it can be shifted out of neutral with a dead battery. Reason being; the car should always be parked in park, not neutral. 9 out of 10 times a battery dies when the car is off. If this is the case, then in theory, you shouldn’t need to shift to park when a battery is dead, it should already be there (in most cases). But just a thought.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 there's a lot of cars like that these days. You lose power you can't shift. As a tow truck driver it's annoying. It took me 40 minutes one time to figure out how to get a BMW into neutral lol. I had to read the manual on the side of the highway. They had a strap you had to pull that was under the dash and covered in plastic trim.
@@pierredelecto7069 the fact that you do that for a living and it isn’t self explanatory definitely proves the point. Good luck and stay safe out there.
They spend so many hours in the meeting room, so many hours building it, and sonmany hours testing it, yet they forget to test this problem, yup they deserve a punch in the face award
@Guimauve griller Omitting a standard-visible-instant-mechanical brake and adding steps in order to find a secret function out of view, usually behind trim requiring tools, is the epitome of complication... 😂
As an owner of a 2017 Subaru Outback that has had multiple battery problems from a parasitic draw, I approve of this message. I've got a routine of shutting down that enables a slightly longer battery life.. if being on the 4th battery is living. I miss my 2003 Outback, well, except for the headgasket issue. Bought my last Subaru!
Engineer here, these guys were probably forced into doing it by management, the design team probably told management that having a push-button ebrake would make the car look nicer inside and management overruled the engineers decision of using the old system. Any decent engineer should follow one rule, don't re-invent the wheel.
Worst part of the electric hand brakes is that if you are moving more than a couple miles per hour they won't engage so they don't even work as emergency brakes
They do, how they actually function is you hold the button on and the car will automatically break using the entire braking system to come to a full stop, this makes use of the “front assist” technology that is fitted to cars with electronic handbrake. It also means for those in NA where it’s called an emergency brake (which is not when a handbrake should be used) have now got a much better function for the same descriptive word.
@@gtjack9 okay, but using the normal brake system doesn't help anything if the reason you are reaching for the emergency brake is that the normal brake system has had a failure.
@@robbdudeson346more likely it was marketing guys saying they want X feature to market and forced out mechanical for an electronic (not software btw) solution. Literally has nothing to do with software engineers. They can’t code the laws of physics. But electric does sound better to most consumers, so marketing wants that!
Automatic transmission typically have a fail safe, usually a cosmetic panel you lift up and then stick a screwdriver down, this will disengage the shift knob lockout and allow you to put the car in park.
The whole point of an emergency brake is that it should be a direct cable connection so it can be applied in an emergency. A lot of these electronic brakes arent even emergency brakes as they wont engage while moving they are merely only parking brakes. Not safe. Its like with the crash standards on newer cars they really want you to get into a crash so that their time engineering the crash safety wasnt wasted.
Let's talk about how all cars put the gauges behind the steering wheel where they get blocked by, oh I don't know, your hands. They could have placed the vents there and the gauges up on the dash where you can see them and your eyes would be closer to the watching the road.
Read the owners manual. There is a button hidden under a cap near the shifter that is for that purpose. It’s visible on my Crosstreck console. Probably hidden on the outback for athletics.
There is also a way to prevent rolling down the Hill in any car. The steering wheel. Just put it to the side and you can have more than enough time to get something like a rock...
fun fact i believe there is a physical button underneath the shifter cover that lets you release the lock, to shift into park. most all vehicles have this since the 90s
This is why we need manuals. It would solve the dead battery problem cause manual hand brake and park in gear, also bump starts exists so you can start your car when the battery is flat
As a former engineer in that very industry, engineers don't make the call, product owner does. Those come up on the management track, not engineering track, zero engineering background on these guys.
Bro, there's a little plastic clip next to the shifter. Pop that off, stick the key inside to release a lever, and allow you to shift into park. All cars I know of have em, that one certainly does.
^^^^This. And how is it there, with the car in neutral AND the electric park brake disengaged in the first place? For the battery to die, he must have been sitting there with his foot on the brake since the engine was stopped.
THIS is FMVSS standard. unfortunately it specifies that the cover should only be able to be popped off with a "tool" FCA had to recall a couple hundred thousand jeeps a few years ago because the shift lock covers would come off without a tool.
@@jonasluks1438 See DiagnoseDan's "no start because of a door handle" on a 3-series BMW from a couple of years ago. I really don't need that nonsense in my life.
every vehicle has a button(usually hidden) to unlock the automatic gear selector even with total power loss. You just have to find it and press it down. Roadside assistance has to deal with these issues everyday on hundreds of different models.
For all the geniuses if you remove the rubber mat in front of the gear shifter you will find a small hole which you can stick a screw driver, pen, pencil,etc. then shift the car into any gear even if the battery is dead.
I don’t understand why foot petal operated parking breaks ever were discontinued. they are extremely cheap, almost fool proof and take basically no engineering costs to implement. If that isn’t a good reason and you are feeling dumb enough you can even make them a break by wire item by adding a servo actuator that triggers when it’s fully compressed.
the ebrake is still a cable, but its just that the actuator is not a pedal or handle you pull but a button that pushes or pulls, an unnecessary complication.
@@jonnda wow that adds more complexity and points of failure. they should have a capacitor or seperate little battery just for that system, so incase ur battery is dead or removed, you can at least actuate the parking brake a few more times.
remember hearing a story about a Mercedies truck or van having the battery located under a seat. The problem is, the seat is a power seat and you can't move the seat to jump the battery.
Once you lift up the rubber mat inside the USB cubby, you'll see a circular hole. Stick your key or a screwdriver down the whole while pressing the shifter button and moving the shift back into park.
These people are dumb and the people on RU-vid that believe this are worse. Every car I’ve worked on has some kind of manual release to put into or out of park when battery is dead….
I think he said somewhere that he couldn’t get the key out of the ignition while in neutral. And he had no access to a screwdriver while keeping his foot on the brake.
I'm not blaming the engineers...especially those pragmatic engineers from Japan. I will however blame the salarymen in management overriding decisions to make some more pennies
To change the head lights you have to take the front tires off ( which ever side your replacing) and loosen the plastic wheel well liner and fold it inward and reach up and remove the plastic plug and then the light bulb, for something that is replaced periodically they couldn’t make it more difficult
@@catfishbilly7425 other comment state that with a flathead or key he could get to the shifter over ride. I mean my wife keeps a toolbox in her purse but I dont think everyone has a driver handy. Keep in mind of that small situation where you are alone in a hill and cant get the foot off the brake.
Ima just put this out there, in the console, above the shiter. The little plastic change catch (as I call it) pops out. Use a little flat head screw driver to pop it off. After that, there is a little hole, take a long screw driver or a pencil and put it in the hole and push down. This lets you operate the shifter so you can put it into park or neutral. The shifter is mechanically connected to the transmission so when shifted into park, a parking pawl locks the vehicle into park. That is the safety system put into the car so you can operate the shifter. So next time, do the little hack and be able to put the vehicle into park with no battery power required.
Jesus! Thank you for pointing this out. I was literally scrolling though the comments, only to look for this exact procedure. So many comments until finally I saw yours. No one knows of this it seems, a shame really. 🙄 Thank you, now I can stop scrolling, and saving me from having to point your exact point out. 👍🏼🙂
2 things.... First you should always park with your parking brake applied; hence the name. Vehicles don't have emergency brakes anymore since Tandon master cylinders were made mandatory. Second on those put the cover up on your storage just above the shift lever and remove the rubber. Under will be a hole. Put the screw driver in the trunk (or any thing item you may have such as pen ink tube or whatever) and insert it into the interlock override and shift into whatever gear you like.
Or you could use your mobile phone to phone a friend who owns a brick. Or maybe there is a "Shift Lock" button that lets you put the gearbox into park.
There is a manual release for the shifter. It’s in that little tray compartment in front of the shift knob. Lift up the rubber cover and you’ll see the slot. Just stick a screwdriver in and there you go.
Exactly what I was thinking. People making videos trying to show off how much smarter they are than the engineers while being too stupid to know what a shift lock is and how to disable it
@@hustla818 that's just stupid, what's less tedious: open a panel take your screwdriver stick it in the hole and press down to operate the shifter OR pull a lever?
See, some people call it a parking brake. If all it was is a parking break, sure, make it electronic. But an EMERGENCY break should always be able to function i.e. purely mechanical
That's not emergency brake, it's called electronic hand brake and it's meant to be used when parked. You don't leave car parked without engaging it. And second it's not just subaru.
To everyone saying 'emergency brakes should always be manually operated': - Electronic e-brake systems are self-maintaining and foolproof. They will always clamp with the correct amount of force, and always fully engage the brake. - Yes, cable/manual systems do need maintenance, and the fact that no one here seems to know that shows the extent of the danger. Cables stretch and they stretch unequally, meaning (without maintenance) you WILL end up with one wheel that either doesn't fully engage the brake or doesn't engage at all. When you rely on both wheels being locked, this can be a problem. - Using a manually-operated 'emergency brake' in an actual emergency (brake failure etc) is difficult and dangerous. Too much brake and you'll lock the rears and risk losing control, which is a likely occurrence seeing as though you will already be panicked, and then forced to (in seconds) learn an entirely new vehicle control without any of the assistance systems like ABS, TC, or ESC that you would be used to driving with as none of them will prevent you from pulling the brake too hard. - On the contrary, electronic parking brakes are DESIGNED to also be used in emergencies, with in-built antilock systems ensuring the car comes to a safe halt, fast. - People who drive automatic often neglect to engage a manual parking brake. This 100% does put extra wear on driveline components and mounts that will need sooner replacing as a result. Electronic systems will usually operate the brake automatically upon entering P. - Anton Yelchin did not die as a result of a faulty electronic park brake. This was the fault of the gear selector design on his Grand Cherokee, which FCA was forced to issue a recall for. - There is always a shift lock release control in automatic cars that ensures you can take it in and out of park while the battery is disconnected. If you had bothered to read your manual for the 2000kg killing machine you pilot every day, you would know this.
@@Mad_Rass.mk6gli If them Audis get totalled aht by insurance, hopefully the owners use the check to get a newer, reliable vehicle. My dad had a new A4 1.8t back in the day. It ran perfectly... but only because the motor got rebuilt every year under warranty. First and last time he drove a VW product. 👎
Most Subaru automatics (like mine) have a little cover at the top right of the housing on the silver part. That prys up and just use a pen to push down the little button inside. It will unlock the transmission. You MIGHT have read the owner's manual.
There should be a manual override for the park switch, if you find The Secret hole and you press the button, it will allow you to put the car in park while there's no power.
This is a very Japanese design. They designed it for "safety" so that the car couldn't be operated if the battery was dead, yet they failed in this situation. I've lived in Japan for 15 years and I've experienced many things like this.
This is one of the reasons why I don't buy new cars. Over reliance on electrical components and not using old but time tested mechanical solutions for certain things like emergency breaks. I have an '04 and a '67 and if the battery dies in either of these cars, I can still put it into park & engage the emergency brake. Proper maintenance at scheduled times by previous owners and now me have kept these cars in really good mechanical condition. Also I just like to look of older cars. After buying my first Thunderbird I'm now putting together a small Thunderbird collection. My first Thunderbird was a 2004 Thunderbird and last year I picked up a 67 Thunderbird 390 c.i. big block with the suicide doors in the rear. I figured I'm going to do all engine sizes and at some point get 87 or 88 Thunderbird Lima 2.3 l 4 cylinder turbo coupe And then at some point a '90s super coupe Thunderbird with the supercharged V6. Already have a big block and small block V8 with my current Thunderbirds.
if your battery completely dies, it means you’ve been ignoring warning about it for months. This is a situation that will likely never happen with any modern car, it’s just BS by clueless people.
Fact of the matter of old vs new engineering. New is more reliable than old. Examples-carb vs electronic ignition, mechanical ignition switch vs push button, transmissions..the list goes on.
Like the new chevys? Same thing, left hand side, on the knee pan, little panel. That pops off and a little pull cord is exposed. Pulling that releases the parking pawl in the transmission. All cars with shifters or knob shifters have a redundancy factor built into them.
You might be wrong. On my 17 Subaru crosstrek there is a place to stick the key next to the gear shifter to put the car in park or neutral when the battery is dead. I don’t doubt there is something similar on that car. But yes electric parking breaks are very dumb.
To be fair this isn't a situation the average owner will encounter owning the car, the only people who will ever be in this situation would know about the hole infront of the shifter (under the liner in the cubby) where you just stick a key or something to unlock the shifter
I mean, it’s fairly common on almost all cars now. Disengage the shift lock, put it in park. However, I agree that not having a manual parking brake is unwise. My Silverado has an electric parking brake, and I don’t much care for it.
If the car keeps dying because bad alternator and just trying to get it off the road so put it in neutral, or there's been a few times where I've seen where the battery just totally craps out.
Bad ground and or connection, or blown fuse etc could also cause that situation. In the rust belt the braided battery grounds are sometimes corroded of on cars that are only a few years old.
for the record, you could’ve taken precautions and looked before you threw the car in neutral and realized if your gonna work on an incline you should have blocks infront of the wheels
I have a 2015 Outback and I had this same problem, one of Subarus biggest mistakes ever after discontinuing the STI was going to only electronic parking brakes, it’s not reliable and if it fails it can be very unsafe
