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✵ Why Texas Built America's Widest Freeway
✵ Throughout history, roadway projects in the US have continued to get larger and larger, spending more and more funds to improve the conditions and traffic of certain areas that are in need of changes. Some states have worked on projects to limit or remove the affects that freeways had on their urban landscapes, while some states continue to expand the size of their freeway system and build more highways, more lanes, and overall larger infrastructure. So this brings us to the topic of todays video, the Katy Freeway. This is a portion of I-10 located in Houston, Texas, and it’s known as the worlds widest freeway, with up to 29 lanes in some area with everything included, so today I wanted to talk about the highway and why it’s there.
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@JWReichert
@JWReichert 2 месяца назад
When the Katy Freeway was originally built Katy was a small town of barely 3,000 residents. Today the area referred to as Greater Katy has a population over 400,000 residents
@clayton97330
@clayton97330 2 месяца назад
They moved there, rather than densifying Houston proper, BECAUSE the freeway made it possible. It's called induced demand and why freeway extensions NEVER ease traffic more than temporarily. This is a well-known and indisputable phenomena known to highway and urban planners for quite some time.
@JWReichert
@JWReichert 2 месяца назад
@clayton97330 well some of the jobs also landed on the very Energy Corridor the Katy goes through. The Katy ISD also had an integral role in luring thousands of families west.
@fjkelley4774
@fjkelley4774 2 месяца назад
Was Katy a former railroad town? I ask only because the "Missouri-Kansas-Texas RR" aka "MKT RR" aka "The Katy" was a thing.
@JWReichert
@JWReichert 2 месяца назад
@@fjkelley4774 exactly
@cathrynm
@cathrynm 2 месяца назад
Yeah, the 'planners' always talk about building freeways not solving congestion, but what's really happening is freeways create economic growth, and that's why.
@315Mikey
@315Mikey 2 месяца назад
One major factor not mentioned is the explosive growth of the suburban area west of Houston called Cinco Ranch.
@me-it9jn
@me-it9jn 2 месяца назад
And katy itself
@315Mikey
@315Mikey 2 месяца назад
@@me-it9jn I have a friend that lives off Mason Rd. Trust me, I've seen the boom over the past 35 years!
@JWReichert
@JWReichert 2 месяца назад
Cinco Ranch is considered the southern section of Greater Katy.
@315Mikey
@315Mikey 2 месяца назад
I have a friend that lives off Mason Rd. Believe me when I say I've witnessed the past 30 years over there!
@JWReichert
@JWReichert 2 месяца назад
@@315Mikey I grew up in Memorial Parkway..
@ophs1980
@ophs1980 2 месяца назад
You're missing a major factor in why the Freeway is so large. There was also a major problem where Hwy 290 hits the 610 loop. HWY 290 links Houston to Austin and there's been massive growth in that direction. It also sits at the proposed Texas High Speed Rail Terminal. I-10 and 290 hit the 610 loop at almost the same point creating a choke point that backed up traffic on all 3. HWY 290 ended at the 610 loop, so new lanes made it possible to get to 10 without using 610. Houston is the 4th and soon to be the 3rd largest city in the U.S, The Port of Houston is one of the busiest in the country and leads all others in exports by tonnage. i-10 is the busiest east-west route in the country. The I-10 expansion was needed just to keep up with that growth.
@cjthompson420
@cjthompson420 2 месяца назад
Good point I forgot to mention the connector lanes to 290 too. This video is so misleading, a lot of these “lanes” are metro bus connectors to Northwest Transit Station on Post Oak Road. They can now jump on I-10 around the congestion. I rode the 33 bus in high school, it was a MESS when buses had to exit and make that left turn with every other car on the road. This was great for Metro!
@abzolute31415
@abzolute31415 2 месяца назад
That is true. However, can't they just add lanes to the railroad and add more intermodal trains? Good for railfans and helps with traffic.
@jbsimmons54
@jbsimmons54 2 месяца назад
PHX here, now 5th largest city and still growing like mad. We're gonna snatch 4th place from Houston soon! 😉😁
@davidroddini1512
@davidroddini1512 2 месяца назад
I think that frontage roads and multiple occupancy vehicle lanes should NOT be considered a bad thing since they are used to reduce traffic congestion. If you subtract the HOV lanes, exit lanes and frontage roads, then it is not bad at all.
@GamingBren
@GamingBren 2 месяца назад
Induced demand would beg to differ
@ollylevesque3404
@ollylevesque3404 2 месяца назад
@@GamingBrenNot a real thing anyway lol
@GamingBren
@GamingBren 2 месяца назад
@@ollylevesque3404 induced demand is real, look it up
@bobloblaw10001
@bobloblaw10001 2 месяца назад
Reducing congestion is basically chasing rainbows
@jaya.d-gauthier1644
@jaya.d-gauthier1644 2 месяца назад
Shhh… you’re not allowed to bring up how the commuter buses have 4 HOV lanes now or the Silver line, or the high speed rail. It’ll ruin the “ma induced reeeeeeeee build choo choo!” Thing the kids love. They think there’s “29 lanes” lmfao
@jaya.d-gauthier1644
@jaya.d-gauthier1644 2 месяца назад
Idk why people buy into this 20 something lane thing? Your photos even show that isn’t the case, there’s 10-12. Also wasn’t mentioned that many of those “lanes” are METRO lanes for the buses that directly connect to the Northwest Transit Center where the future high speed rail line to Dallas will be as well. We literally expanded our bus and train network and people use this for their “one more lane bro” narrative when most of it isn’t even for cars.
@bobloblaw10001
@bobloblaw10001 2 месяца назад
20 something lanes includes both freeway directions plus frontage roads in both directions
@bobloblaw10001
@bobloblaw10001 2 месяца назад
Most of it is for cars
@jaya.d-gauthier1644
@jaya.d-gauthier1644 2 месяца назад
@@bobloblaw10001 Using frontage roads, half of which are U turn or Left/Right turn only lanes is disingenuous and misleading. Especially when.. no, there still isn’t even 20 TRAVEL lanes as he mentioned. Even if we pretend the Katy toll/HOV lanes are free, that’s 8 travel lanes each direction… for 2 miles until about Voss Rd or Bunker Hill. This inflated number comes from the METRO lanes, turn lanes, and feeders that weren’t even mentioned because it would contradict the entire car centric narrative I-10 is always used for
@bobloblaw10001
@bobloblaw10001 2 месяца назад
@@jaya.d-gauthier1644 it's all still mostly for cars. However you want to count lanes, there are a lot of them. The last rebuild was crazy expensive and just filled up again right away. FWIW I live in Houston just barely inside the west loop. And visit in laws frequently in memorial villages and occasionally friends in Austin so I have direct knowledge of the Katy freeway and can confirm that it is ridiculous.
@jaya.d-gauthier1644
@jaya.d-gauthier1644 2 месяца назад
@@bobloblaw10001 No, I want to be factual! Why did you ignore the commuter buses slashing times with direct lanes through katy freeway and into the transit center? I was a metro rider for years and went to high school on that side of town. Why is this expansion talked about as a win for cars only when that’s not true at all? This was a great move for METRO as well who were involved in the planning for it.
@CajunGators
@CajunGators 2 месяца назад
I noticed the pics you used like at 4:07 and many others contradict the actual script of this video and you consistently say X number of lanes were “added in some places” but wouldn’t specify where or that many are not for us in cars at all. It’s for the Park & Ride commuter buses dude. The diagram at 4:07 is what was built plus 2 HOV each way. And was it adding a couple ACTUAL lanes that “induced” traffic or the 3 million, as you mentioned above yourself, that made the difference? No other metro could add 3 million people and have rush hour traffic increase by a couple minutes for cars, decrease for commuter buses, and provide us a proper evacuation route for hurricanes. This was worth every penny and benefited everyone.
@hume1963
@hume1963 2 месяца назад
Houston has experienced an incredible amount of growth over the past 50 years or so. Why are people criticizing the highways when they are expanded. Get over it.
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
Because a single commuter train can hold as many people as 400 of those single-passenger vehicles. It is ridiculous that a world-class city like Houston effectively has no public transit. The buses are in the same traffic as the cars, so they don't count.
@__________________________bub0
@__________________________bub0 6 дней назад
Because adding lanes creates more traffic.
@CynthiaNotG
@CynthiaNotG 2 месяца назад
Misleading video. The Houston metro area had 3 million LESS people back then firstly and traffic wasn’t just an issue for us but the truckers which national commerce depend on. It wasn’t “induced demand” it was Houston being proactive in the population growth on the most congested road there was. Austin didn’t… look at them now lol. Using the same infrastructure for 3x the population. This also didn’t mention the BRT, light rail, or bike paths that came along with this project either. To pretend things got worse than when we had 3 million less people because rush hour times went up a couple minutes is crazy
@abedozier4212
@abedozier4212 2 месяца назад
Yeah I’ve been very suspicious of the idea of induced demand. Living in exurban san antonio, I’ve never considered taking alternative forms of transportation depending on the number of lanes on my stretch of i-10. It’s just not an option in this area and same in katy/suburban houston. I can understand people in northeastern america having to make decisions on how to get into their city depending on traffic conditions but in areas without good rail connections into the suburbs, I just don’t think induced demand applies
@cjthompson420
@cjthompson420 2 месяца назад
@@abedozier4212”induced demand” isn’t a thing lol. I grew up in east downtown Houston and the demand was there. He even mentioned how we’ve gained 3 million people since then but didn’t mention how many of these lanes were for METRO commuter buses who no longer have to sit in bumper to bumper, or the several that are just 610 connectors, not actual travel lanes. And idk where the 29 number came from, every time I see a video on this the number goes up but nobody in Houston know where these lanes are at 😂
@chuckinhouston9952
@chuckinhouston9952 2 месяца назад
Cynthia, your comments are spot on. The author says “induced demand has been proven; there is no denying it.” Well son, I deny it. Induced demand is a minor factor. The population of the entire metro are has doubled sine I came here in 1997. This hasn’t happened because someone has the foresight to plan. It’s happened because all major Texas cities has grown to this extent. Since the mid-1980s, San Antonio has grown by 2x and Austin by 3x. Imagine someone in Terre Haute saying, “hey, they expanded the Katy Freeway in Houston; let’s move there.” No son. That’s not how the world works.
@CynthiaNotG
@CynthiaNotG 2 месяца назад
@@chuckinhouston9952 Thank you! I lived during the 3 lane I-10 days late 80’s and 90’s, it was horrific! My sister went to Paul Revere and if we had to pick her up, it took 90 minutes to get home. 3 million people did NOT move here because the road was fixed. It’s our medical center, energy sector, NASA, us being only second to NYC for Fortune 500 headquarters. If “induced demand” was a thing, why does nobody use Highway 130? 😒 I’m not seeing any inducing lmfao
@seanmccullough4527
@seanmccullough4527 2 месяца назад
Totally agree. I live in the Austin area, and I-35 is so congested it is not usable most of the time. Houston has a lot of traffic, but it flows and the road capacity actually matches the population.
@OceanAce
@OceanAce 2 месяца назад
2:01 That leads to Addicks Park and Ride. Park your car there and take the bus to Downtown.
@toddhall7416
@toddhall7416 2 месяца назад
I love it. Even when there's traffic it still moves fairly well. It's true that when these new freeways are built builders start building new neighborhoods further out adding many new commuters. One of the west Houston zip codes near the Katy frwy is building more new houses than any zip code in the USA. We're seeing license plates from all over the country.
@joedellinger9437
@joedellinger9437 2 месяца назад
When hurricane Harvey flooded much of West Houston in 2017, I-10 remained open because it is so elevated. Every other throughgoing East-West road through the flooded area was under water at some point. There were no North-South roads across Buffalo Bayou open between Grand Parkway in the West and 610 in the East.
@-Katastrophe
@-Katastrophe 2 месяца назад
I love when people talk about "induced demand" like population growth couldn't possibly ever be a factor.
@ruckusbeblack
@ruckusbeblack 2 месяца назад
Even though he admitted himself traffic would “get worse either way” because of 3 million total people moving in? Induced demand be like: omg you guys I knew adding those couple lanes would make it worse by 5 minutes with double the population. 💀 everyone couldn’t wait to move here to see big highway, no other reason
@BeaverGeography
@BeaverGeography 2 месяца назад
I did my best to show both sides of things. I don't believe induced demand is all that big of a problem on the Katy Freeway because of the population growth. Induced demand is real, doesn't mean that's the main reason for everything
@LucarioBoricua
@LucarioBoricua 2 месяца назад
The way induced demand materializes is that people setting up shop (housing, industry, commerce, leisure) largely depends on the available infrastructure supply (including but not limited to transportation). An area will have a harder time developing if there's not enough infrastructure to service the activities of the new residents and employment centers. If there are other places that could accommodate this growth in population and the economy, those would fill up instead of the area with the expanded infrastructure supply.
@jayreyes6854
@jayreyes6854 2 месяца назад
Exactly, they are also the same people who would be complaining if they left the Katy freeway at 6 lanes because the traffic would such so bad. Like I-35 in Austin. The Katy freeway is way better then it was in the 90's. Yeah there is traffic at rush hour but it at least its moving. Back in the day it was a parking lot.
@jameskitzmann6268
@jameskitzmann6268 2 месяца назад
@@LucarioBoricua wrong, look up Bridgeland,Townlake and the Cypress area and you will see massive single family homes without enough roads or mass transit to move that many people so we play catch up with freeway construction all the time.
@ki5aok
@ki5aok 2 месяца назад
- Addicks-Setsuma Road isn't referenced by that designation. It is Texas State Highway 6 (or, as the locals call it, Highway 6). - That exit in the middle of I-10 (which is actually the Katy Managed Lanes / Katy Tollway portion) is to service the Addicks Park and Ride that looks like the big parking lot to the north. - Sam Houston Tollway exit has always looked like that. It's just bigger now due to the Katy Freeway project. - Sam Houston Tollway interchange and Grand Parkway interchange were not built at the same time. The Sam Houston Tollway interchange was built in its entirety as it was a replacement for an existing stack interchange. The Grand Parkway interchange was built in two phases, with the first phase servicing Grand Parkway Segment D (the free portion to the south). The northern part of the interchange was built when the Grand Parkway Segment E was built, which was after the completion of the Katy Freeway project. - The Katy Freeway project ends at I-610. Katy Freeway itself continues until it reaches downtown Houston. There is discussion of a Katy Freeway Project Phase II which will cover the Katy Freeway from I-610 to I-45. - The reason for the increase was, between 2011 and 2014 was that alternative routing - Katy Freeway has HOV lanes (single lane in each direction) from SH-6 to Mason Road in Katy. From SH-6 to near I-610, those are the Katy Managed Lanes (also known as the Katy Tollway). They are HOV/SOT system (HOV drivers do not pay a toll during HOV times, but single drivers can use it for a toll). This is the only road in Houston that is not referenced as express lanes. What I think people fail to realize that, even though you still have traffic jams on it, it was worse before the project. The previous facility was three lanes in each direction and two to three frontage road lanes. To get from midtown Houston to Katy during the middle of the day, it would take 2 hours one way.
@bobmurphy2216
@bobmurphy2216 2 месяца назад
Another old head like me that was fuming watching this suggested video. I remember back in the day when there was a railroad track next to the freeway. The only part of that track is still visible on Old Katy Rd next to said park and ride.
@ki5aok
@ki5aok 2 месяца назад
@@bobmurphy2216 I just checked Google Maps and Google Earth and any part of those tracks were removed and replaced with the westbound frontage road. The only place to see those tracks is in Katy itself, as the rail line is still active. The end of it is at I-10 and Katy-Fort Bend Road.
@MiguelitoD770
@MiguelitoD770 2 месяца назад
I drive this daily. Katy Freeway is always used as a talking point in urban planning/highway videos but never accurately. The 26 (or 29, you said) number of lanes is not a thing. There is a 1/4 mile where that is the case at the 610 interchange half of which aren’t part of the freeway, they’re turning lanes as well as 4 bus lanes to the METRO transit center there where many bus lines meet. The reality is there’s 6 free travel lanes in each direction until the beltway 8, then 5. By the time you hit just west of Katy, it’s 3 lanes each way. We somehow won the title of “widest highway” for a tiny segment where most of the lanes aren’t even part of the highway. It’s over glorified for no reason lol.
@georgerogers1166
@georgerogers1166 2 месяца назад
It's only as wide as the Dan Ryan for much of the length.
@johnlabus7359
@johnlabus7359 2 месяца назад
It's pretty sad when the defense of the freeway is that it's ONLY 6 continuous lanes in each direction excluding the frontage roads. FWIW, I have lived in Houston.
@MiguelitoD770
@MiguelitoD770 2 месяца назад
@@johnlabus7359 …what’s sad about it? That we planned ahead for the 3 million people we’ve added? That we built METRO lanes directly connecting NW transit center to shorten the commute times for those on the bus? Or that the NW transit center is where the future high speed rail will connect to? Yeah I’m not sad about any of that at all. I think it’s great we were proactive in making travel easier across the board.
@cjthompson420
@cjthompson420 2 месяца назад
@@johnlabus7359I think it’s sad how y’all have to lie about 24, 26, 29 lanes (it’s always a different number) to suit a narrative. Which makes no sense… aren’t y’all the ones who want better transit? Why do y’all ignore the fact that many of these lanes were specifically for METRO? 🤔 Or how it helped reduce commute times exponentially for those riding the bus??? That’s what’s sad.
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz 2 месяца назад
@@johnlabus7359Why are you sad? You don’t like the commuter buses having 4 HOV lanes instead of sitting in traffic with the cars? Or the connectors to NW Transit Station? Oh wait, you don’t even ride METRO or know any of this huh? You drive your personal auto and do the “one more lane ammirite guys?” Online thing 🥱 yawwwwwnnnn
@harrygoesgaming
@harrygoesgaming 28 дней назад
As someone who used the Katy Freeway to get to school every morning throughout all of high school, yes, it helps! Rush hour still sucks though. You have to drive super aggressively to get anywhere!
@kylewilson9477
@kylewilson9477 2 месяца назад
So many inaccuracies in this video. But as a native Houstonian, the one that stood out the most is the fact that Interstate 10 is called the Katy Freeway from Katy to Downtown Houston. I-10 doesn’t adopt a new name suddenly at the I-610 interchange as this video implies.
@HotWheelsBurban
@HotWheelsBurban Месяц назад
I-10 west of downtown Houston and east of the West Loop 610 is called the West Freeway. I-10 East of downtown is called the East Freeway, and goes to Beaumont and Louisiana.
@kylewilson9477
@kylewilson9477 Месяц назад
🤦‍♂️ incorrect. I-10 west of downtown is called the Katy Freeway, it is not called the “west” freeway at any point in the Greater Houston area. I-10 east of downtown is called the Baytown-East Freeway aka The Beast
@cjthompson420
@cjthompson420 2 месяца назад
How come you didn’t mention how commuter buses on METRO cut times in half having their HOV lanes and connectors to the bus station the high speed rail eventually will connect to? 🤔 This move was great for public transit, drivers, not to mention our truckers? At 1:35 you mentioned “20 lanes” with a photo that clearly shows half of that while still ignoring the middle 4 are for buses or the few who pay the high toll. Come on man at 3:24 we see the actual roadway 😂 That’s 5 lanes!
@HotWheelsBurban
@HotWheelsBurban Месяц назад
As mentioned by others, greater Houston area is very spread out. Most people in the area don't live close to where they work, so long commutes are a thing for them. If the bus or rail doesn't go between work and home, and the Metro Park and Ride doesn't work for you, then the alternative is to drive a car.
@Tackleberry117
@Tackleberry117 2 месяца назад
Houston sucks for traffic but that's because its a huge city and they all do. Compared to Austin, cities that invested in enough highways at least still function. Induced demand isn't proven, it's a theory that has nothing to do with Texas cities.
@flydragon7256
@flydragon7256 2 месяца назад
Induced demand is real, but people like NJB and Adam Something usually forget that Houston-Galveston grew by 3.33 MILLION since 2000! Freeway expansions do not reduce traffic as much as allow more capacity during times of explosive growth.
@bruceboa6384
@bruceboa6384 2 месяца назад
​@@flydragon7256 The fact that it's almost impossible to travel in a city like Houston without a car is the single biggest problem. The vast majority of the city's metro is designed for cars. Everything is so spread out it's impossible for public transit to be practical. Combine that with unwillingness to spend any serious amount of money even trying to build the rail infrastructure needed for a city the size of Houston and you wind up with the kind of dystopia I am happy I will never live in.
@mostlyguesses8385
@mostlyguesses8385 Месяц назад
I moved from Minnesota to Houston and the problem of H is just too much success. Its big. If you stagnate like M at 5 million for 30 years you're fine. H has doubled, and given many families a future. It sounds corny but let's give Texas credit.... Cars are how most people move. It's 90% of workers in Cali or Massachusetts. It's 70% of workers in France or Italy (15% walk or bike to nearby work, just 15% ride transit). When work left downtowns only cars could get people to suburban work 10 miles from house. It's just a myth any western place doesn't mostly use cars, nationwide, one can't just look at inner Paris and declare they don't need cars in France. P.S. Houston without big lawns and by being poor til 70s actually is dense, it's just got lots of people... Soo basically cars are only option, no govt built and run transit is magically gonna save day in Texas or France.... But it's fun to dream of magical solution. P.S. No transit system ever could go all the way to Katy, at avg 30mph w stops that's over 1.5hours that's just too far except for cars going 50.
@kevingray8616
@kevingray8616 2 месяца назад
I live way out in Katy. I had to drive the full length of the freeway on Monday. It wasn't too bad as I left my house around 6:15. My wife drives it all the time. Certain days are much better than others as far as traffic because so many people work remote now at least a few days a week; like my wife. I usually drive it on weekends to go downtown like to a sports events, restaurants, etc. Given my wife is with me, we can use the portion that is only HOV. On weekends there is no HOV option so we usually just pay the dollar each way to avoid having to deal with traffic. It's a breeze that way. (we're already paying a lot of money for a sporting event so $2 more isn't a big deal) People are crazy anymore; either on their GD cell phones driving too slow and weaving or driving like their wife is in labor so it is much better to be in a protected lane.
@powervoc2
@powervoc2 2 месяца назад
Most of the fallacies in this video have already been addressed, but just for a little more education you've got to consider the amount of commerce (18 wheelers, etc) that come via east and west through Houston. I-10 goes through Los Angeles, Phoenix, Tucson, Las Cruces, El Paso, San Antonio, Houston, New Orleans, Gulfport/Biloxi; Mobile, Pensacola and Jacksonville; With Houston being the 2nd largest port in the country and being the largest refiner of oil's in the country we're talking about an enormous amount of Semi's going east and west to help supply most of these cities. This is another reason for the expanse of I-10. Another smart design of the Katy is the fact of how the exits and entrances work (up to 610). The old freeway had the exits after the entrances causing backups at the exits into the freeway lanes during rush hour... Now the exits are first and the entrances are second. This alleviates the issue of traffic lights backing into freeway lanes. On top of that, this design allows safely hopping on and off the freeway. In other words if your destination is two traffic lights away and your pulling out of a store you simply hop on the freeway to avoid the lights which helps the congestion on the feeders.... And as a poster mentioned, we don't have frontage roads. We have feeder roads.
@HotWheelsBurban
@HotWheelsBurban Месяц назад
As an example: where i work is about 6 miles from home. I can go one of two ways on the surface streets and get there in 15-20 minutes by car. Or i can ride three different bus routes to get there, and it'll take at least an hour. On another note, the 610 to 290 to FM 1960 trip on Saturday morning only takes 30 minutes, going to the local toy show once a month. Coming back home in mid afternoon takes a bit longer though, but often I take surface streets for that trip.
@davemccracken3457
@davemccracken3457 2 месяца назад
I am curious about this concept of "induced demand". From its name, I assume that this refers to drivers who choose to take that highway rather than some other road because of its lessened congestion due to its improvements. Why is that a bad thing? I would think taking traffic off of congested surface streets would be a major goal of any highway improvement project. Isn't this a sign that the goal was met? I would be very interested in an in depth analysis of the overall impact of improvements on the entire area, not just on that highway.
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz 2 месяца назад
Induced demand has been debunked several times. It’s not a thing. Depending on exact year, Over 200 people PER DAY were moving into Houston before any expansion. We have the world’s largest medical center, the energy sector, the busiest international port in the nation, etc. the demand wasn’t “induced” it was there already. And there’s no such thing as “29 lanes” on this road as you can see in the photos.
@stevens1041
@stevens1041 2 месяца назад
I believe its an idea from French economics, a very long time ago. Its largely considered to be an incorrect concept and yet I keep hearing it lately.
@EdowythIndowyl
@EdowythIndowyl 2 месяца назад
Induced demand is more like this: (DoT) "We're making a massive improvement to carry 26 lanes of traffic that will be completed in 2020" (87 separate developers) "Because of the DoT announcement, we're adding 10,000 homes, each, that will have easy access to the new freeway to be completed from 2018 to 2030!" (engineers) "The road is overloaded.... why?!?" So, it's when a LOT of DIFFERENT people plan around an improvement and then the road ends up being more overloaded. It's not just people who were using other roads switching over ... it's planners creating businesses, homes, and other places where people live/ play / work based upon the announced road improvement. The Katy freeway is completely fine if you're not on it during rush hours. If you are, however, it's almost as bad as it was before it was expanded. Eventually, as developments come online, that traffic will worsen. But, how long does the road have to have "good conditions" before you consider it a success? 10 years? 20? 30?
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz 2 месяца назад
@@EdowythIndowylIt’s as bad as it was when we had over 3 million less people? Thats amazing! And no, not “as bad” it used to take 1.5 hours to get home from BW8. I can go to Katy at 5pm and it’s 65-75 not taking the toll and traffic is fine by 7:30. Used to be stop and go until 9ish way back then. And why didn’t you or this guy mention there are no 20 whatever lanes? That many of those are HOV bus only lanes for the transit center which cut commuter buses from Katy’s time exponentially?
@realquadmoo
@realquadmoo Месяц назад
Yes induced demand is a very real thing and it’s why the only way to “fix” traffic is to provide more efficient means of transportation
@MikeV8652
@MikeV8652 2 месяца назад
Love you, Beaver, but you said at 1:13 that the Katy Freeway goes WEST from Katy to Houston. That's two examples of east-west confusion in the last two videos. Please proofread your scripts or get someone else to.
@ix830
@ix830 2 месяца назад
I didn't expect quite so many comments praising the Katy Freeway or denouncing induced demand. Highway expansions are often marketed as a standalone tool for reducing traffic congestion and increasing access. They are more often used to open up private land for private development, to the detriment of the general public. This strategy often ignores more efficient transportation modes and development patterns, which are MORE financially productive to the public along with a host of other public benefits.
@kaymillerfromTX
@kaymillerfromTX 2 месяца назад
“Induced demand” is not a thing. It wasn’t the road expansion, it was the economy and affordability that made Houston jump from the 3.5 million to getting near 8 million today. Traffic is usually fine by like 7:30, before it was snails pace until 9pm which started at like 2pm. Now it’s good until 3-3:30ish. Also nobody in Houston knows where all the lanes are at, it’s 6 each way for 5-6 miles lmao. And 2 bus/toll lanes, so 8? Where are my other 21 lanes at y’all keep talking about?! 😂
@MrCalverino
@MrCalverino 2 месяца назад
1:56 that's a metro park & ride lot
@whiteboysixty5
@whiteboysixty5 2 месяца назад
@2:02 that exit is to the Addicks Park and Ride for Metro (mass transit). It's a HOV lane exit and not a main lane exit.
@PelicanGuy
@PelicanGuy Месяц назад
1:57 That interesting exit is for the Park and Ride commuter lot.
@NickyG790
@NickyG790 2 месяца назад
2:00 this exit is most likely for buses to easily enter/exit the freeway to access the park and ride to the north
@joedellinger9437
@joedellinger9437 2 месяца назад
It also allows private vehicles to directly enter or exit the HOV / toll lanes. It is located right next to a major park and ride center as well. Very convenient. Apartment complexes in that strip of land on the North side of I-10 have people who can walk to the park and ride.
@MikeV8652
@MikeV8652 2 месяца назад
Simplest answer to the title question: Because an awful lot of people need to get through Houston.
@HeWhoGameZ
@HeWhoGameZ Месяц назад
Imo highways should expand to 6 total lanes (plus auxiliary lanes) for safety when the capacity warrants it. Anything over 6 lanes should be express lanes. The tolls keep traffic on those lanes going smoothly for those who are willing to pay.
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz 2 месяца назад
Can’t help but think you got a bit lazy on this video and parroted Not Just Bikes as the graphics used only disprove everything you’re saying. Aside from the obvious fact there are no “29 lanes” It’s odd to insinuate a road expansion that was also for buses and truckers caused a “demand” when at its height, 200+ people were moving to Houston per DAY! Thats where that 3 million you mentioned came from. To answer the question was it worth it: every single cent. This video makes it seem like some massive highway with dozens of lanes was built when it has less lanes than the NJ Turnpike smh lol.
@32bitintiger999
@32bitintiger999 2 месяца назад
When it comes to improving traffic capacity over a network, there are two main ways to go about it: road and rail. They both have their advantages, such as rail being separated from road and not being impacted by traffic, and road allowing people to get from any one point to any other without having to interchange between modes. The other way to deal with traffic is to reduce the need to travel instead of adding additional capacity, and this can be done by allowing shopping, employment and recreation to develop closer to where people live, bringing them within walking or biking distance. This would require extensive urban planning and will often not be applicable in 20th century suburbs and only in newer developments. Like anything to do with cities, things like this are complicated. For many North American cities like Houston, the primary mode for civilian and goods transport throughout a city and its neighbours is by road. Combined with the nature or road transportation, this makes those billion dollar freeways relatively cheap compared to building the initial infrastructure required for rail transport. If the city had a much larger rail network, it would a) be able to utilise existing infrastructure to a greater extent, b) make it easier for people and goods to interchange with that existing infrastructure, c) have that city already built around the rail network, with a much larger amount of the population and industry close to those rail lines and d) be something the people and industry are already used to working with and would be likely to approve of it. In my opinion, I think that in the short term, this would have been the most viable solution but in the long term, more diversification of transport modes and planning would be ideal. I am not an expert on Houston and city planning in general, to take all of this with a big grain of salt. :D
@TexMarque
@TexMarque 2 месяца назад
Railroads are unaffordable and all are subsidized. Local buses are inefficient and time consuming the farther one travels away to/from the station. Local buses are subsidized in this country as they are also unaffordable for the most part.
@texlad04
@texlad04 2 месяца назад
"I read some stats on the iInternet" and "I made some assumptions"' level of research. This is like the people who say Dallas or Houston is losing people and treat Arlington or The Woodlands as a separate place. It's almost like, maybe, you would add lanes in the middle of the 5th largest metro in the US on 2500 mile coast to to coast freeway, and then you would reduce lanes outside the metro. Shocking stuff. Truly. Btw I have driven the big kahuna in Toronto and it's awful. I will take the Katy Freeway any day. Any day.
@colegreene2153
@colegreene2153 2 месяца назад
As someone who drives this highway, I am very glad it’s as wide as it is lol
@ItsReload1
@ItsReload1 2 месяца назад
Ya same here. If it was not that wide it would be so annoying to drive on.
@danielklassen6667
@danielklassen6667 2 месяца назад
Actually the world's busiest and widest freeway is Ontario King's Highway 401(MacDonald-Cartier Freeway) in Greater Toronto Area(GTA) Ontario Canada . It has 18+ lanes of pure freeway. The Katy Freeway has Frontage Roads that you included in the lane count.
@HackingHD2
@HackingHD2 2 месяца назад
no it isnt lmao
@davidhaim89
@davidhaim89 2 месяца назад
My commute within inner Houston instantly became hellish on the day that the new inbound lanes of the expanded Katy Freeway opened. The inner city roadways choked on the increased traffic volume.
@johnmeadows5645
@johnmeadows5645 2 месяца назад
Those frontage roads were built to give emergency vehicles access to accidents and or bypass traffic while on a call.
@TexMarque
@TexMarque 2 месяца назад
Frontage roads are parallel local roads. Many of them were originally two way on both sides of the freeway.
@MrJr0455
@MrJr0455 2 месяца назад
It’s crazy how i drive in this everyday and it’s just annoying
@jzda1slabrider852
@jzda1slabrider852 Месяц назад
That middle entrance is for the HOV lane
@DeeRuss
@DeeRuss Месяц назад
What happened to Cincinnati during the urban renewal and highway era is unfortunate and devastating
@circleinforthecube5170
@circleinforthecube5170 Месяц назад
*every city, we lost some good architecture then, i like modernist buildings but too many old style buildings were lost to the car
@user-gc5xy4cj9b
@user-gc5xy4cj9b 2 месяца назад
Induced demand is a real thing for sure. The addition of highways cause new development to spring up. But also consider Austin, which fought against additional highways and additional new lanes for years, but saw new development and an influx of new residents without the induced demands from the highway system. Now they are dealing with a worse traffic issue than Houston because they didn't plan for the addition of new residents.
@realquadmoo
@realquadmoo Месяц назад
Yes that’s a prime example of induced demand
@emiliagolden4441
@emiliagolden4441 2 месяца назад
You skipped over the fact that these roads are evacuation routes. How else is houston/ Galveston supposed to evauate for hurricanes?
@trainsandmore2319
@trainsandmore2319 2 месяца назад
That’s why everything’s bigger in Texas, including the roads…
@markrobinowitz8473
@markrobinowitz8473 2 месяца назад
Peak VMT and Peak Energy are also factors for long term travel demand, although inconvenient to admit.
@jmean8665
@jmean8665 2 месяца назад
this video is in-line with all the other tired and amateur reporting jobs on freeway expansion and the katy fwy. "it got bigger and then got more congested ergo it's a failed idea!" the houston metro area grew by 2 million people over these surveyed years, and NOTHING is ever said about the congestion relieved on all the back roads after the katy fwy expansion. i lived the nightmare of those back roads for 10 years before the expansion. i'm very happy it got expanded.
@BeaverGeography
@BeaverGeography 2 месяца назад
Did I not literally mention how population growth affected the traffic likely more than induced demand?
@D_Roadtrip_Productions
@D_Roadtrip_Productions 2 месяца назад
i was pondering this the whole time during the viewing of this video. If majority of traffic is presumably headed to work in downtown area, where is the park 'n ride points to get on a train to take them in? Atlanta has this. DC has this. Philadelphia has this. I am just naming cities that i used to live in. My wife drives to a nearby train station in suburban Philly to then take the train downtown for work. The time to drive downtown is insane here at any hour day and night. Not trying to discount the need for cars in reality, but who wants to make that commute everyday in their own car?
@guernica4262
@guernica4262 2 месяца назад
I think the 'induced demand' question needs to be further investigated. It's not like there's a spawn point generated cars out of thin air. Who are the people that seem to add to the volume which wasn't there before? Are these new residents? Are these people choosing the highway vs. surface streets? Are they former riders of public transit? Are people finding jobs on the other side of the city and the improved/new highway giving them access to a job they would have otherwise moved closer to? Is there an issue where traffic volume doesn't actually increase that much, but simply that the relationship between volume and congestion is not a linear one, but something approximating an exponential one? If we had answers to these questions, I think we could better obtain the root cause and then begin to correctly address and analyze the issue. To some answers, such as highway vs. surface, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Less cars on surface streets means quieter neighborhoods and more walk-ability potential.
@ruckusbeblack
@ruckusbeblack 2 месяца назад
There’s no such thing as induced demand, he even proved it himself. That people were moving here (200 or more a day some years) and that “traffic was gonna get worse anyway” no? So the demand was there, not “induced” because that isn’t actually a thing. Just like 29 lanes aren’t a real thing lol. Did Houston gain 3 million because a couple lanes were added to a short 9 mile stretch of I-10 on the west side? Of course not.
@guernica4262
@guernica4262 2 месяца назад
@@ruckusbeblack Right, sure, but this term isn't unique to this video or Texas. It's used frequently in reference to highways as an argument against improvements. I'm more referring to this 'induced demand' argument in general.
@ruckusbeblack
@ruckusbeblack 2 месяца назад
@@guernica4262I know, so was I lol. I was using his own points from the video that disproved it but you can pretty much do so with any city or anywhere the “induced” theory is used.
@ahamjax
@ahamjax 2 месяца назад
Yeah I hate the "induced demand" argument. There's almost always an underlying issue separate from the road. There's plenty of roads that get widened and then traffic generally goes away. I-95 in GA is pretty good example of that. After they widened the entire state to 3+ lanes, traffic because almost non existant at any time of day. Most of the traffic jams now are from hurricane evacuations or wrecks.
@dragon_nammi
@dragon_nammi 2 месяца назад
Induced demand is from people who weren't going to drive, driving. Say I might want to go to the cinema, but I'm reluctant because of bad traffic and there's no other way there that arrives quickly enough. 1 highway expansion later, and logically it follows that traffic should be better, right? So I decide to go to the cinema more often, whereas before I stayed home. I'm one more car that would not have been there otherwise. That's induced demand. Edit: This is on a smaller scale, but the same goes for developers who now see land around the improved highway as more valuable and you gain more residents. The bulk of the induced demand.
@CrystalClearWith8BE
@CrystalClearWith8BE 2 месяца назад
Greater Houston has been booming population for many years and the Katy Freeway sure is wide. I'm surprised that it's as wide as 20 to 26 lanes with its widest point at 29 lanes. Compare that to the 401 in the Greater Toronto Area which widened so many times with local-express lanes and the widest portion of the 401 is 22 lanes in Mississauga just near the airport and east of the ends of the 403 and 410. Normally, the 401 is as wide as 16 to 18 lanes.
@baseballfan99
@baseballfan99 Месяц назад
It would make for an insane game of frogger
@jamesburton1050
@jamesburton1050 2 месяца назад
One thing I heard a traffic planner say, "it's impossible to expand your way out of traffic congestion". I've thought about that many times since I heard it
@rongroth
@rongroth 2 месяца назад
I heard that nonsense when I lived in Seattle 22 years ago (now live in Phoenix which has a much better attitude toward infrastructure). When I visit Seattle these days, they still have the same number of lanes on the same 2 or 3 freeways as back then, except maybe in a couple places where they managed to get a lane or two added over a 10 year project. You sit in traffic all the time, day and night in Seattle on little windy roads that were there in 1920, because they hate giving anyone in a car the ability to go anywhere - make ‘em take the bus or the insane rail that takes forever to build for billions. So, Houston, you rock! We were so happy to move to Arizona, which has a similar outlook and where they build new freeways in 3 years, or widen I-10 like they’re doing now in Phoenix in less than 3 years. You gotta get the job done so people can get around, not take 10 years to accomplish next to nothing.
@jamesburton1050
@jamesburton1050 2 месяца назад
@@rongroth so I'm curious. What the person said instead was that you have to build totally new roads to give more choices. Curious why you would say that expanding current roads should be able to keep up with congestion? PS, not sure, but it may have been the Rob the Road Guy channel on here where I heard that. I do enjoy watching him.
@maroon9273
@maroon9273 2 месяца назад
Those highway and rides are wide enough to put bus/ridesharing lanes and rail line.
@maureencora1
@maureencora1 Месяц назад
I Love H-Town / Houston, TEXAS Fall, Winters & Spring.
@tyfrank3427
@tyfrank3427 2 месяца назад
Actually, of straight up freeway, Ontario's Highway 401 is wider. Yes there's more lanes when you add the frontage roads and the toll lanes. But the 401 18 lanes of straight freeway. No frontage roads, no toll lanes, straight freeway. It's also considered the busiest highway in North America and sometimes even the whole world.
@allanflippin2453
@allanflippin2453 2 месяца назад
In many ways, the Katy Freeway should be considered a success. The Houston area has grown tremendously since the Katy Freeway was expanded. Traffic on the road has increased. but it hasn't completely failed. However, the approach shows some serious lack of vision: 1) If so many people need to travel between those points, why is there not a more efficient method of moving them? (anybody hear of rapid transit?) 2) Why is it that so many people have to move such distances every day? Isn't there a better way of planning such that homes, employment and services can be more easily accessed?
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz 2 месяца назад
To answer your questions: we did revamp the entire metro system, built 3 of the 5 proposed train lines, and those center lanes he’s talking about are used by the commuter buses from Katy, it’s called the park and ride. They used to just sit in traffic with everyone else on our 3 tiny lanes back then. Now they can fly by us. 2 rail lines weren’t built because people protested them smh 🤦🏿‍♂️ but the silver line was made into a BRT which connects to the station a lot of these I-10 lanes go to and will eventually be rail too. And your question about commutes, it’s not just those here locally, I-10 is a major route with many going through be it truckers or private cars. It’s the only east/west route here in an area of 7.5 million. So the road was expanded for only 11 miles to ease congestion for local and truck/bus traffic. If this were purely an adding lanes for passenger cars only thing, I would get people finding it ridiculous but that isn’t even the case at all.
@joetrey215
@joetrey215 2 месяца назад
Harris County has admirably considered rail to help reduce highway congestion. The conversion of excess freight lines to the Hardy Toll Road and Westpark Tollway have reduced congestion on both I-45 North and I-10 West. Better mobility via rail conversion!
@moroteseoinage
@moroteseoinage 12 дней назад
Freedom. Texas is the biggest exporter of freedom.
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg Месяц назад
Toronto still has larger. The 401/403 is massive. And doesn't have frontage roads. Just pure highway lanes. Express, collectors, hov
@MrCalverino
@MrCalverino 2 месяца назад
and it still has traffic jams and some of the worst drivers known to man!!!
@bogdanivchenko3723
@bogdanivchenko3723 2 месяца назад
I drove there and traffic wasn’t bad.
@ItsReload1
@ItsReload1 2 месяца назад
It’s only bad when there is an accident and when that happens the HOV and express lanes are fine. The feeder roads get a ton of the traffic from people getting off the highway but that is bound to happen because people try to find the quickest route.
@gorgthesalty
@gorgthesalty 2 месяца назад
They never learned that making bigger highways does not solve traffic congestion.
@jdickers11
@jdickers11 2 месяца назад
Houstonian here: Why did you completely ignore our need to evacuate millions of people in under 24 hours for hurricanes and flooding?
@trevorfletcher6335
@trevorfletcher6335 2 месяца назад
As a Houstonian, we already can’t handle rush hour even with the katy fwy. Rail would be helpful
@kaymillerfromTX
@kaymillerfromTX 2 месяца назад
@@trevorfletcher6335Then I hope you vote in the locals because it was twice we approved the referendums for the rails we have and need to continue expanding. It also built the 400 miles of bikeways we have now. We didn’t just approve the highways… Also the P&R buses to Katy have had their times reduced being able to take the HOV lanes, this expansion was great for METRO.
@GamingBren
@GamingBren 2 месяца назад
Northwest Floridian here: You guys need drainage infrastructure too :p
@connor5890
@connor5890 2 месяца назад
The urban sprawl brought about by the highway is making the flooding way worse
@kaymillerfromTX
@kaymillerfromTX 2 месяца назад
@@connor5890 It wasn’t brought about by the highway, but you’re right about the flooding because some of Katy was built on a flood plain, not sure how that great idea was approved. Flooding didn’t get “worse” it’s always naturally flooded, it’s marsh lands lol. But the area knew in the 90’s we should built the cancelled North and South Canals which would have prevented what happened in Harvey. We rely on one tiny bayou to drain all of it. Not all the same infrastructure issue.
@UHaulShorts
@UHaulShorts 2 месяца назад
portion a NOLA moved thurr afta katrina
@harpermonohan
@harpermonohan 2 месяца назад
4:21 I’m curious to know what the most expensive roadway projects in the U.S. have been
@hehhaha8232
@hehhaha8232 5 дней назад
the Big Dig in Bahston is by far the most expensive project ever
@harpermonohan
@harpermonohan 4 дня назад
@@hehhaha8232 forced pronunciation behind Bahston. I just researched the Big Dig thanks to you, and it’s very impressive.
@jamesparson
@jamesparson 2 месяца назад
I am sure if they wanted to build a commuter train there would be complaints that it is too impactful to the communities.
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
Yeah, a quarter-mile-wide swath of burning hot concrete filling the region with fumes and noise is fine, but don't ask for one little electric train line that has none of that. Because, as you know, trains = communism.
@branagain
@branagain 2 месяца назад
I wish Texas would widen I-35 north of Fort Worth.
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
The problem is that no one wants to actually go to Oklahoma. The best solution would be to build a bypass around Oklahoma so people could get to Kansas safely.
@storminnordman9596
@storminnordman9596 2 месяца назад
Replace it with passenger and freight rail!
@hehhaha8232
@hehhaha8232 5 дней назад
Houstonians won't use it. There are 8 directions where people live, and 8 directions they go for employment.
@Texasbber
@Texasbber Месяц назад
The ripping up of the railroad right of way that ran parallel to the Katy Freeway wasn't mentioned. They could have put in commuter rail or light rail but didn't. I lived there during its construction and completion. It's totally ridiculous. I am sure the gas and oil lobby had everything to do with this.
@puntabachata
@puntabachata 2 месяца назад
For the toll lanes.
@trevenflynn4780
@trevenflynn4780 Месяц назад
Lane mathematics
@MrJr0455
@MrJr0455 2 месяца назад
I also remember when it was built
@That-Guy_
@That-Guy_ 2 месяца назад
When they started the project they put down asphalt over the concrete that was so smooth I got up to 85mph in my Dodge Neon without realizing for a few minutes.
@TexanSlappy
@TexanSlappy 2 месяца назад
The i-10 the "katy Freeway" is not more than 16 lanes (8 in each direction) wide at some interchanges not including on/off ramps. Bunker hill, is 12 main lanes, and 4 HOV/Toll Lanes for a total of 16 lanes. There is also a short on/off ramp. Frontage roads have traffic lights and at grade intersections, they are not limited access and are not freeway lanes because a lack of controlled access and signalization (traffic lights). Frontage roads are regular city streets allowing access to business, in/to out of driveways with property abutting the road. They are not interstate grade. Frontage roads are not included in freeway lane counts in California which has a 23 lane monster (i5/805), and Atlanta, which also has 16 lane (without HOV)... 2nd) Riddle me this since the Katy was widened in 2006, the metro population of Houston was 2.06 million, today (2023) it is 7.5 million, did this growth have anything to do with the increase in congestion? 3rd) induced demand is an economic paper only found a relationship between cities that had population growth, amount of road (or lack of) expansion. If population increased faster than lane growth, cities saw increasing congestion is what the paper said, not that adding lanes adds people driving around for no purpose than to just drive (misreading of the theory from wired magazine).. Does building more hospitals induce more people to be sick? Does building more schools induce more children? People drive because they go to work, have to see the doctor, pickup kids, food, etc. Widening a road does not suddenly trigger millions of people to take a drive with no reason aka induced demand. Population/Economic growth of which Houston does well, is the reason for increased traffic. I can say without a doubt as a frequent driver before and after the expansion, that traffic flows far better. Bunker hill was a 24/7 traffic jam before the expansion (6 lanes), now its only slow during some peak times. In spite of explosive population growth nearly 3.5x in less than 20 years, Houston is on of the only metro's in the country to decrease congestion delay, and dropped in the rankings for most congested.
@MC_aigorithm
@MC_aigorithm Месяц назад
They really can't take away like two lanes for a rail corridor? lol
@rodericksmith859
@rodericksmith859 2 месяца назад
This is insane....I couldn't accept this as life
@mixerdude
@mixerdude Месяц назад
As they say: Everything’s bigger in Texas
@CountryAndProud
@CountryAndProud 2 месяца назад
It doesn't matter how many lanes they add or how wide the roads are... if people still drive the same (selfishly) nothing will change.
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
At some point another lane does nothing. During rush hour it is so nuts with people changing lanes everywhere you almost can't even use the road. There are accidents literally happening all around you while you drive.
@loukramer152
@loukramer152 2 месяца назад
Yes, it is all of those selfish people who drive to work for support of their families and to pay a fortune in taxes! Why can't they just walk to work instead!
@CountryAndProud
@CountryAndProud 2 месяца назад
@@loukramer152 is that what I said? Nope...
@CountryAndProud
@CountryAndProud 2 месяца назад
@@texaswunderkind you got it...
@AMPProf
@AMPProf 22 дня назад
Rethink I35
@jarvisstradford7211
@jarvisstradford7211 2 месяца назад
If you put toll Lanes it wouldn't work either
@hughbryant898
@hughbryant898 2 месяца назад
It helps that a texan former president younger Bush facilitated the big budget approval on this.
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
There are huge corporate campuses of oil companies along that stretch. So they're not going to build some hippie-dippy electric train using solar or wind. Don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
@edasher1009
@edasher1009 2 месяца назад
Forts to Ports
@macmedic892
@macmedic892 2 месяца назад
Houston is an hour and a half away from Houston.
@D3r3k2323
@D3r3k2323 5 дней назад
The "Induced demand" thing is pretty much bullshit. There's no new demand created, it's only "induced" because vehicles now have a better route to drive! So then traffic is reduced on other routes, or on surface streets, which is a huge benefit of highways. And a better metric than congestion for a highway's performance would be throughout. A project can still be beneficial if it increases the road's capacity, even it congestion doesn't get better.
@StLouis-yu9iz
@StLouis-yu9iz 2 месяца назад
Because of car-brain induced by the car and oil lobby in U.S. but especially there. 😢
@marsgal42
@marsgal42 2 месяца назад
I drove through Houston a couple of weeks ago and drove the Katy Freeway. A few years ago I drove the runner-up for most lanes, Highway 401 in Toronto. When I first saw addresses like "27700 Katy Freeway" I wondered if "freeway" meant something different in Texas. It sort of does: these are addresses on the frontage road, not the freeway itself.
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
Buildings along the frontage road have addresses on the freeway. I was confused by that when I first moved to Texas. My apartment was at 3105 South I-35, or SIH 35. Even though it was on the access road, and my actual apartment had ten buildings between it and that road.
@jcurnutte2007
@jcurnutte2007 2 месяца назад
If you build it they will come
@famartin1
@famartin1 2 месяца назад
A clearly anti-highway video. Checking Google typical traffic, its not really that bad. Plenty of feeder roads are worse. Plus, as mentioned, counting the frontage roads as part of the freeway mileage is silly. Its a way to overglorify it.
@BeaverGeography
@BeaverGeography 2 месяца назад
I tried as hard as possible to keep this video uncontroversial and non-opinionayed. I did my best to show both sides of the story and make everyone watching as happy as possible. I don't come from an anti-highway opinion, so sorry if it came across that way
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
My wife worked on this project. Thank you Katy Freeway. You've helped feed my family the last 15 years.
@yourfriend5886
@yourfriend5886 2 месяца назад
Face reveal?
@roccobierman4985
@roccobierman4985 2 месяца назад
Thank you for addressing induced demand.
@kittypurry9237
@kittypurry9237 2 месяца назад
1:56 we also have one of these on 90alt past Harlem
@HotWheelsBurban
@HotWheelsBurban Месяц назад
And another one in Rosenberg where Texas Highway 36 goes north of Highway 90A.
@JoseFloresEC
@JoseFloresEC 2 месяца назад
So when the population increases more, it should be time to expand the lanes again right? Right?
@Flipdodge392
@Flipdodge392 2 месяца назад
Yes
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz 2 месяца назад
Yes, when 200-250 people a day are moving into your city, that’s the demand. 3 million people did not move into the metro because “oh look new highway lolzzzzzz” This was not only a win, but paid for by the taxpayers and we voted for it. They can do that “one more lane bro” thing in Austin and have fun on their 2 lane toll roads they’re building left and right.
@appalachianenthusiast9499
@appalachianenthusiast9499 2 месяца назад
​@chefssaltybawlz To stop "just one more lane" let's BUILD TRANSIT INFRASTRUCTURE!
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz 2 месяца назад
@@appalachianenthusiast9499 ….what do you think those bus lanes are for? 💀 Or the 3 rail lines we built alongside approving expansion for autos? You know a lot of these “lanes” are for METRO, not for you and I right? No need to yell, kiddo, we’re building the things lol.
@joetrey215
@joetrey215 2 месяца назад
Of course. TxDOT has floated plans for elevated lanes reserved for transit bases and freight haulers along this corridor. They have also floated a plan for electrified bus transit for the entire metro area using regional transit centers. Of course, due to massive expenses, this will likely never happen.
@ollylevesque3404
@ollylevesque3404 2 месяца назад
“Induced demand” is a debunked narrative even by your own video. If the population was booming eventually to another 3 million in the area, the demand was there, not induced. You said it around 6:02 it would have gotten worse either way? The economy induced people moving here before any expansion. Which you only mentioned about cars and not the public transit expansion for buses and trains. You said “15 lanes were added in some areas” yes, the area where commuter and local buses converge, those aren’t car lanes for everybody my guy. Thats for the metro. 😐
@jamespyle777
@jamespyle777 2 месяца назад
They are feeder roads, not frontage roads, since they have greater access to the main highway than frontage roads.
@themonkeytrainer
@themonkeytrainer Месяц назад
While your video was published in 2024, I notice that most of the graphs you published are from 2015 or older. If you actually have current numbers, building new graphs is simple. Otherwise, you are undermining your own point, implying that you are cherry-picking your data.
@-OAK-
@-OAK- 2 месяца назад
Everything is bigger in Texas, accept the towers. I made another video on how I think the legends tower will be great, do you think you can check it out and tell me if that format of doing more research is better?
@BeaverGeography
@BeaverGeography 2 месяца назад
I'll check it out tomorrow dude!
@parkependleton6453
@parkependleton6453 2 месяца назад
If it is full of cars again, simply widen it to fifty lanes!
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
If they just built one lane per car then there would finally be no traffic.
@GIJadaSmith
@GIJadaSmith Месяц назад
It will be one day since y’all “cars bad reeeee” types add 3 lanes every time a katy freeway video is uploaded. Now it’s 29? 😂😂😂😂
@scpatl4now
@scpatl4now 2 месяца назад
Would have been interesting to know if instead of widening the road, they had built a rail transit line with good frequency.
@texlad04
@texlad04 2 месяца назад
It is interesting to think about, but there's an underlying issue that it wouldn't solve: Businesses (read: jobs) are widely spread around the Houston area, and no longer are concentrated downtown or generally inside the Loop. But I do think that downtown workers (although this is a shrinking number) would benefit from light rail. It's hot and sticky here and even if, say, you got off the light rail by the Galleria, you'd be connecting to a bus or hoofing it to your Uptown office building wearing business clothes. We just don't build Texas cities with any real sense of planning. Once you're off the highway you still need to go miles to your job in many cases.
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 месяца назад
The city is so low-density that at best you'd have to have park-and-ride locations with massive garages that people drive to. Not sure that is any better. I hate leaving my car all day unattended so some loser lowlife can break a window to see if I have coins in the ashtray.
@CVZ86
@CVZ86 2 месяца назад
Would love to see a video like this on the I-10/US 60 Broadway curve expansion in Phoenix. They are using collector roads to help disperse the traffic.
@DanielP-jq4dj
@DanielP-jq4dj 2 месяца назад
1:54 There are a few interchanges like that along the capital beltway to the west of Washington DC.
@creaturafauna
@creaturafauna 2 месяца назад
Designed for Hurricane Emergency Exit Relief Route. I-10 is getting widened inland all the way to San Antonio.
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