@@IndependenceOverland a lift kit can be a piece of rubber is that what the difference is between my or and pro ? cause that is a lift kit and thats what you think is the difference you could have said upgraded suspension wheels and tires and been honest. oh sorry forgot different headlights, vented hood and better fogs but ok its just a 45 dollar slab of rubber
The Pros came with an "upgraded" mediocre suspension system from Fox, aluminum control arms, different seat materials and some badges and embossed lettering. Most people replace the Fox suspension, because it wasn't really that impressive. This is why the "TRD Bro" memes exist. It was basically an up charged, over priced TRD OR. Thevast majority of people looking to build a Tacoma avoided it, because they could save thousands just buying the OR and having basically the same truck. There are countless threads on this exact topic all over the internet. The entire point of this video, is that the new top models of this truck offer more than the 3rd generation halo trims did. Maybe educate yourself before going to social media and trying to slam people on things you don't know much about, it doesn't make you look very bright.
@@IndependenceOverland maybe start your videos with honest statements and you wont run into this in the future. but we all know sensationalism sells better than honesty. im plenty well educated enough to smell BS like the whiff i got a minute into your vid.
@@yername31 I see your going through and editing your responses to try to make it look like you actually knew what you were talking about in the first place. 1.The hood scoop is from the TRD sport, its not functional. Sorry, swing and a miss. There is nothing different under the hood, why would they need more airflow? 2.If your saying the tires are an upgrade, that's a joke. Toyota never has, and still doesn't put good off road tires on their vehicles. They choose tires to be quiet on the road, not functional off road. They want good reviews from Car and Driver, and are well aware people will swap them out. 3.It does have different lights. I guess you got me. The 10k price difference is worth it after all.
A master Toyota tech here and just got done with the new tacoma training. As a tech standpoint we are not looking forward to the first year of the 4th gens. Do not take the hybrids through water. I don't know why toyota did this. But it's not completely sealed and we are going to see tons of electrical issues. It will be great in dry climates. Atleast the power is there.
It’s not sealed? So I assume the Land Cruiser, and 4Runner will be exactly the same. Land Cruiser has a wading depth published of 27 inches. Thanks for chiming in. Share as much as you would like! 🙏
27 inches is from ground to bottom of the lowest part of the hybrid electrical system. They sat the batteries in a so called tub. But we all know us toyota drivers like to push the boundaries sometimes. Even the trainer that we had said straight up the 24 hybrid is going to be a nightmare. Also what they don't tell you with the wading depth is the amount of time you can keep it at wading depth. That is usually from 10 to 15 seconds. Enough to let water in and then drain. But have been doing this for 20+ years and the first years have always been the worst for any generation. High points though from factory the truck will perform great, and be the most capable of any tacoma produced. The upgrades from the 2nd gen and 3rd gen are second to none. But I will always be partial to the 2.5 gen tacoma.
If you had to guess, what recalls do you think we may see? Also, what improvements would you guess we might see in model years 2025-2027 as issues are identified and reengineered for improved reliability, maintainability and performance? Your perspective is appreciated.
@RedondoBeach2 to pinpoint exactly is hard to say. But just from experience with the other generations. I think it's safe to say powertrain recalls, and recalls with the infotainment system. But like I said it's hard to tell. There won't be a recall unless a certain percentage has the same issue of the new vehicles coming out. Always always always get an extended warranty!!
i have a trailhunter and he is absolutely right on everything the car drives amazing and the suspension is great ! i was soo close to get the trd pro but the trailhunter its soo unique that i couldnt resist
OMG! I started watching this and was thinking to myself, this guy looks like Tyler, who i met in colorado at the restaraunt when i was hanging out with Greg. I believe i gave you a broken stein piece to fix and keep :) Also i believe you drew a dragon on a pizza box lid there, a really good artist i remember :D Truly glad to see you are doing well!! :)
Haha yup, that’s me! Check out my Flat Tops video, Greg makes an appearance in that one! Thanks for stopping by bud! I hope you find this video helpful! And thanks for the stein! I did give up glass blowing, in favor of making videos.
The boys at TFL already blew a front differential on their new Taco. They have it on video when it went and they weren’t doing anything serious when it went. Made me reconsider buying the first year of this redesign.
I have a 2003 LC100. It had, for its day, pretty high tech electronics. It has a touch screen in it and all the bells and whistles for it's day. This is a 21 year old truck at this point and all the electronics still work fine. The electronics are pretty archaic granted, but it's still works after all these years. A testament to Toyotas electronics quality. Only time will tell how the new Tacoma electronics hold up, but I am going to predict that it should all work out well.
Yeah, I think it’s shocking to see this kind of tech in a Toyota product because Toyota is always so behind the times. But for anyone who owns any other brand of vehicle, all of this has been around for years. Toyota is behind the curve, but when they implement it, it’s because it’s become reliable tech. Generally speaking of course.
We're more of Jeep people, but I will check this out .. I must admit the TRD Pro is a beautiful looking truck. Love it in white (and black) because to you get to see all the new (design) lines. The Trail hunter is pretty cool to.... You said, "a lot of us say, why can't we do this or that." For one, I agree with you about "We're going to change it out anyway." (That's what Corporate probably thinks as well). But my thought is, ... We are a smaller group in the grand scheme of things. Of ALLLL the vehicles that will be sold, how many are going to go to people like us ... Me, You and some of your viewers. How many are actually going to be set up and used like you would. Probably a small percentage (over all). So every vehicle is built for the larger percentage of street use. Though I find it REALLY cool they are adding and building for us (small percentage). Basically, making a 4x4 an off roader again, and not a street vehicle with a 4x4 sticker on it.
Yeah, the engineers were saying that around 40% of the customers at least intend to take them off road. So the majority is street use. And I would argue there is benefit to making them capable in todays world just because people like to feel like they can go anywhere, even if they don't. A lot of Jeeps are daily drivers, people love the thought they can head to the hills, though a lot of them never will. I am confident they really upped the game with this generation.
Awesome. So glad you provide some great details that no one else talks about. I don’t think I can swing the $65,000 price tag of the trail hunter. I was hoping the hybrid version of the trd off road would be good enough to get started and upgrade it later. Any content describing the key differences between the hybrid off road and the two halo models would be much appreciated.
I dint have it yet, I’ve just got deposits on them. You just tell your dealer what you want and when they get one similar to what you’re looking for they will call you. There are currently quality control hold ups. There are thousands of Tacomas sitting and waiting to be released. I’d rather they do it there, than make the customers deal with it.
Frame drain is a huge improvement, sure it only took a half hour/hour to mod my current taco but not having to even worry about it speaks to Toyota listening to the consumer.
Yeah its simple to just drill holes, but drilling holes in a frame is something most people would rather not to. I am glad they recognized there was something that needed to be corrected, rather than continue to ignore it.
9 1/2 inch diff would put it on par with what a Dana 60 axle is. That would be comparable with what used to be considered in a 3/4 Ton truck. It's not a Full-floating axle, but that still pretty beefy stuff. A Dana 60 is 9 3/4... So not exactly the same but that is a stout sounding axle. Also, the size of the bearings etc come into play, anyway it's sounds like an impressive axle.
Yeah, at least in my Fj I dont really even consider blowing my ring gear up as a possibility with a 9.5. Like I said in the video, I am not sure how it will do with so much torque but its still a hell of a rear end. Pretty cool to see Toyota beefing this up!
I just went out and bought a 23' Tacoma Offroad last month just so I could have a V6 engine. Less then thrilled that they have decided to move to turbo 4 cylinders. I don't think those things will last as long as the old NA V6.
This is by far the best and complete overview for the Trailhunter. I'm still holding out to see how pricing looks like, I really miss my 2nd gen Tacoma and this truck so far looks amazing with what is included. That said, Toyota has some major competition in the mid-size truck market now, the new Ranger Raptor looks incredible and seems very capable. Tough choice to made here.
Part of the reason to go midsized is to have a smaller differential. You get more ground clearance for the same size tires as on a full sized truck. If they start increasing the torque and increasing the size of the differential we will lose this advantage. Smaller trucks have always had an advantage offroad specifically because they're light duty. -That's messed up about the SR5 missing a crossmember. I was thinking about getting one because I want an extracab and then modifying it to make it more capable. -Also bummed to hear you can't use the hybrid battery pack to power your campsite, that's a big selling point for overlanders.
I hope it works out for you. We have all trusted in the Toyota reliability. I don’t worry much about my FJ getting me back home. It would be nice to have more creature comforts and more power in an off-road vehicle. Along with the FJ we own a 2016 Volvo T8 hybrid. It produces 400hp and has been very dependable. Will be following your story as you move forward. I am interested also in your plans to upgrade the FJ. That is the direction I am leaning. Thanks for sharing. 👍
Yeah, some of the upgrades have taken way longer than expected. I ordered some of it back in November, and others I am working with manufactures with so its technically still in beta testing. This stuff should start posting relatively soon though!
I really appreciate this video. It really spoke to where I am trying to decide whether to upgrade. I have an '05 Tacome 2nd gen that I ordered the day they came available. It had been a real workhorse. It is an Offroad Access with a manual. I use it in chainsaw work winching trees over and dragging them around. I put K02s on a set of old Sequoia wheels on it. I have a '19 GX460 for a daily with 13.5 inch rotors. The 17 inch TRD wheels fit it fine. I am looking to consolidate since I am not doing as much tree work. I am also interested in the Trailhunter. I hope there will be a major 12v power feed already available in the engine compartment for a winch. Also, I am hoping they finally got rid of that needle bearing on the driver side of the front diff. I look forward to watching how this thing works stock and what all you do to it.
You covered a lot in this video and it’s awesome! My only question is what is the range going to be? I saw the recent TFL truck video about the new Trd off road Tacoma they got and the range was terrible. Seemed well under 300 miles per tank. And towing a 3000 pound trailer they were only getting 150 miles. This really needs to be addressed. Once you add some accessories like a tent or a camper this will really be a problem.
The Legendary Eusheen!! Yes sir, range is certainly going to be a bit of a challenge. Why Toyota put a smaller tank on I will never understand. I know it has better fuel economy, but it wasn’t a good move. My Fj has a 19 gallon tank and I am always filling that thing. The hybrids will have a fair bit of range, but it won’t be enough. I don’t want to deal with Jerry cans any more so I will be putting a Long Range America tank into mine. Usually they can squeeze another 10 gallons or more into a truck. Hopefully we have some real range numbers for the factory set up soon, I’ll keep an eye on all the other information and update you when it’s available. Thanks for watching dude!
I’m on the waitlist a trd off-road hybrid. I was going to spend the money for a pro or a trailhunter but with the pro I wasn’t willing to give up the rear seat room for those isodynamic seats and I don’t want a snorkel on my truck so I didn’t want the trailhunter. I’m planning on putting the heritage grill in it with the light bar and if I can get one, I’ll probably put one of those arb rear bumpers on it.
The HUD will be very cool. I had a Grand Prix (2001) with a HUD. The one main drawback, if you wear polarized lenses, you'll never see it. It works by reflecting the display off of the windshield.
I’m currently enjoying my Jeep, but my last rig was a Tacoma. Toyota knows how to build an amazingly dependable/capable vehicle. Even being that this will be a 1st out model, I think Toyota’s gunna pull it off just fine.
3rd Gen owner here it sucks How much more we have to cough up with the market right now 😭. I was planning on keeping mine and getting the new gen and full on comparison because I beat the crap out of my 2017
Yeah, people are blaming Toyota for the price increase but I think a lot more of it has to do with inflation in general. Everything is 2-3x the price is was just 5-6 years ago. Toyota had to adjust their pricing just like all of the other manufacturers. Combine that with the cost of meeting safety specs, emissions etc. It definitely sucks. The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. A tale as old as time.
I’ve spent quite a bit of time on trails and Ive always been told turbochargers don’t do well off road. The lack of airflow at crawling speeds results in turbocharger overheating. My understanding is turbos are designed for vehicles that can feed them air. I recall Toyota had a 1st Gen 4Runner with a turbo and most guys couldn’t wheel with them.
The 1st Gen 4Runners were a looooong time ago. Technology has come a long way. The v-8 sized cooling system should negate a lot of these kinds of potential issues. Not saying it won’t have any problems, but that’s what the warranty is for. Toyota has too many eggs in this basket to have a dud. It powers the Land Cruiser, Tacoma, and the upcoming 4runner. No way did they design an powertrain that won’t be reliable if used offroad. It would kill their whole brand.
@@IndependenceOverland I am absolutely hoping for the best. Ford had a similar approach with the Bronco. In 2020 they offered a 4cylinder eco boost on the low and mid level trims with the top of the line model (Sasquatch) having a v-6. Fast forward to 2023 they now have v-6’s in their midrange models. I believe they ran into issues when people tried to use them for their intended use.
Great info here - thank you! Pass on the new Taco - don’t want a hybrid (seems like not being able to use the battery when the vehicle is off is a really big miss on Toyotas part), no 4wd Auto mode, and no rear hvac ducts. Probably gonna have to live with a 4 cyl turbo though, almost everyone is going to them now…
No worries. I'm in...ZERO, rush, to get my hands on the TRD Pro or Trail Hunter. Not with their expected prices. I'm better off with the 1794 TRD Off Road, or Platinum, TRD Off Road, long bed.
The trd off road gets 17 in front rotors and 16 in rear rotors. Move up in trim it’s goes to 17 in on both front and rear. Also the trd series trucks get an extra 3 in cooling pipe to the front rad, they also get sealed belt tensioners vs lower trims as well as beefed up lower control arms and the 9.5 in rear diff from a tundra
Very good info, thank you! I don't think they have a 17" rotor is correct though is it? With the caliper bolted on it would require more like a 20-21 inch wheel.
Please let us know when you figure out how many amps we can draw at 12v of the hybrid system. I am been searching for this and have not found anything yet. It is a pretty important spec.
You got it. I’m really hoping to at least get to talk to some of these folks soon and figure this kind of thing out. If nothing else, I’ll find out my own way once the truck arrives.
No just waiting to see some of your trial and error. Not worried so much about the 1st year. The manufacturers always seem to cover problems in 1st year vehicles with better warranty coverage.
Great video! Have you heard anything about trail turn assist on the Tacoma or LC 250? The Lexus GX seems to have 'Crawl Control with Turn Assist', but I've not heard if it's a normal part of CC on the Toyotas.
I’m obviously a Toyota fan boy. Everyone is worried about reliability with a turbo 4 cylinder engine. I trust that with Toyota personally, because I owned a 1991 Turbo 4 from Toyota and it was great. And then just 6 years later, they started making hybrids. It’s all been around a long time and I lean toward Toyota. If that’s the right decision or not is to be determined with this new generation.
Interesting note on exterior measurements: 3rd gen tacoma: 74.4" wide 4th gen trd offroad is roughly 77.4" wide Trailhunter/trd pro roughly 80.4" wide 3rd gen tundra: 80.2" wide 3rd gen tacoma: 212.3/225.5 (short vs long bed) length, 127.4/140.6 " 4th gen tacoma: 213/226.2 (short vs long bed) length, wheelbase: 131.9, 145.1 " 3rd gen tundra: 233.6 length ", wheelbase: 145.7 " So the new tacoma is as wide or wider than a 3rd gen tundra depending on the trim, and the DCLB 4th gen tacoma is only 7.4" shorter than the tundra with nearly identical wheelbase. All that to say a DCLB trailhunter will be a huge "mid size" when it comes to tight trails. Almost worth it to go tundra instead at that size..
The only issue is the Tundra was built as a tow centric rig. By some comparisons it lost some of its off-road prowess with the new generation, as the Tacoma is going to have a lot more 4x4 friendly design from the ground up.
Do we know how long the suspension travel would be on trd pro? The main hindrance in going for 35 inch tires would be the final drive ratio which is 3.5*. I have an f150 with 3.55 gear ratio and 33 inch tires. It's already a struggle in rocky and low traction surface. You could go 4L but you'll take a hit in gas consumption and time which is problematic in long expedition. This is the big miss in engineering for the new taco in my opinion and wider track that don't give any significant benefit in the suspension department.
Oh don’t worry, I’ll be using it as is for sure. I’m just not sure it will hold up as I start to build the truck and make it heavier. But if they hold up, then I’ll keep them.
Got a quote today for a TRD Offroad Premium Package Long bed non- hybrid of $53K. I can get it on march 1st in St Louis MO. No pricing yet for Hybrid. Base TRD Offroad Long bed is $45K.
Do you know anything about the front grills if they would be easy to swap out, say like a trd pro grill on an off road? It looks like the safety sensor is in the lower part of the bumper now instead of grill like the 3rd gen so i would think it would be easier. Someone said that the grills on the new tundras are much harder to swap out, so not sure if that would apply to new tacomas, thanks.
I’m getting a truck for my mobile photography business, and when the Trailhunter was announced I got excited. 6 foot bed is actually ok for me. But…the 4 cyl turbowhackjibbet crap they decided to do pushed me away a bit. It’ll be my work vehicle for the next 15 years and I need it to last. I’ve researched & test drive (multiple times each) most every mid to full sized truck out there. Anything with a 1,000 pound payload gets disqualified immediately. And now I’m back, entertaining the thought of a Trailhunter. I’d need it by August, though, so I’m not sure if that’s going to be an issue. But anyway, great video, lots to keep thinking about!
I’ll be building mine for video. I’ll be doing some cool stuff like a little charging station, and possible some custom storage ideas so it might be of interest to you! These things are going to be sweet!
The longer we wait for the "real" payload numbers, the more hesitant I become. For the price point these trucks are expected to be at (trailhunter), it should include a metal front bumper. The fact is, these "off-road" vehicles with plastic bumpers are not ready to really go off road and it's a joke to sell them that way.
I have a steel bumper on my Fj, and I never make contact with anything with it. It’s for a winch and guarding the vehicle from deer and elk. The fact is that a front bumper isn’t required to go offroad. A rear bumper will get hit on rocks well before a front bumper.
@@IndependenceOverland You are correct. Not required. The point I'm making is that for >$60k for a top trim "off-road" truck, you would expect to have metal bumpers or an option for them. For example, the Ranger Raptor, Gladiator. With the plastic front bumper, you will want to go by your onx offroad trail technical ratings and steer clear of the more difficult trails to avoid damage to that plastic bumper.
I know it can handle a winch, but there is for certain a limitation of how much the hybrid system will allow to the 12v battery. It’s designed for a specific maximum amperage, and I’d like to know what that is. The system will have some sort of limitation so it doesn’t burn up the wiring.
I just think it’s funny most Toyota people keep claiming “Toyota reliability” as a reason not to but the GM models. Yet it’s a new year and nothing is proven. Personally my 23 Canyon Denali has had 0 issues almost a year now.
Stoked to hear that, I hope they end up being long lasting trucks. Toyota has more of a reputation for being reliable across the entire range of vehicles they make. Sure they have some lemons, but it’s rare that people are advised against particular vehicles they make due to rampant breakdowns. That can’t be said for other makes and manufacturers. I have heard many of the big companies are trying to adopt some of Toyotas practices to improve, and of course technology helps with that too, but Toyota started with manufacturing practices that are at the root of the process.
The 2024 tacomas look nice but I just don't see anyone wanting to pay the price. I have seen 2 tacomas 2024 so far in Washington state, both Sr-5's, both lightly equipped. And both over 47,000. Tax, licensing extra options you are now at 55k for a nice sr-5. Toyotas second to the lowest trim level truck. But by spring we will know more.
Yeah, dont pay over MSRP. Some people can afford to and dont care, but us common folk just need to find other dealerships. I have 4 deposits at different dealerships and none of them sell over MSRP.
Why do you in the USA have so few diesel 4x4 (besides the super unreliable Jeep brand of vehicles) My new (one month old) Land Cruiser 70 series Troop Carrier comes with euro 5 V8 diesel engine and a manual gearbox. The new Japanese market 2024 Land Cruiser 70 series comes with a enro6 2.8 four cylinder diesel engine and an automatic transmission for city driving.
I’d love a troopy. Those things can’t meet our safety testing requirements apparently. To be honest though, I work on modern diesels and I would rather not own one at this point. The DPF systems destroy their ability to be reliable.
@@IndependenceOverland I understand that you can’t have any of the 70 series in the USA, because they were originally designed and released in 1986 around the world. I’m an ex-motorcycle engineer/mechanic and because of this picked up work over the winter period in the UK (when working overseas in UK/Europe) as a diesel mechanic and overland truck builder. During the summer months working as an Adventure Camping driver and Overland Truck co driver/cook/mechanic/navigator and having to fix Blowen engine in a Bedford bus north of the Arctic Circle in Sweden. Fixa broken fuel pick up in an ex army overland truck in the middle of Algeria in the sand of the Sahara desert with only a garden hose and a few sockets as weights. You’re so right that the pre electronic diesel engines are far better to work on, and more reliable than the electronic we have today to meet emissions standards. Hopefully being a Toyota and brand new the diesel V8 will be good for me at home in New Zealand. PS: I also got to drive pre-production coaches (self unloading trucks) around Europe and once had M.A.N. north of Munich in Germany fix a design problem in the prototype plant that is the home of the diesel engine invention and development by Mr Diesel. If only I was allowed to take a few photos, so many interesting new things being designed in the 90s
Every dealership is is different. Between 500-1000 is typical. Only do dealerships that offer refunds of course. I have multiple out, so the first dealership to get the truck I want will call me, and I’ll cancel my other deposits at the others.
Media drives for the hybrids is within the next few weeks. The ones they will be driving will be full production ready trucks, so I have to assume they are already being built in limited numbers. I would imagine the very first ones will be on lots by the end of May. The Pro and Trailhunter will be much less common that the other models. @@ronsmith5105
No sir, I covered that in my other video. Toyota says their off road modes can sort of act as a locker, which they can in a way. But they decided to put the cost of development into the sway bar disconnect vs the locker. They said its very difficult to put a sway bar disconnect aftermarket, but very easy for a locker so they decided to do that.
I'm waiting for 2026 when my 2006 is 20yrs old. Probably a Trail Hunter. Hopefully by then Toyota will have gotten the bugs out. Be really cool if they switched to lithium within the hybrid battery witch could add more capacity and or get back storage in the back seat. The whole back seat area seems to be a disappointment. The size is fine but amenities and storage need to be reworked. It would also be nice to get a full roll down window like the Tundra too. That little window looks a little silly. It should be big enough to climb through. Also, why not have an app like everything else to monitor battery levels so that you could run the power while the truck is off? Why make us have to add yet another battery?
They chose not to go lithium because of environmental impacts, and pricing. I also have to assume that since Toyota is currently developing solid state batteries, that will be their end goal. They have a "Beyond Zero" target for emission in the future and I can't help but think that will be a combination of their upcoming hydrogen technology, and solid state batteries. They have to compete with the torque of EV vehicles so I believe hybrid tech is here to stay, and by the early 2030s these vehicles (as well as INEOS, Honda etc) will start introducing Hydrogen ICE.
Just doesn't seem smart to let a turbocharged engine sit there & idol to recharge the hybrid🔋if you're camping or even if you get that stand-alone🔋is it still good to let your engine run at idle? Guess the stand-alone charges throughout the day while you use it at night, but most will NOT purchase that🔋... Just seems like a lot to ask for a little 4banger turbo to pull around of 5000 lb truck & expected to last 250,000 miles like the V-6=💪 But that trailhunter will be badass congrats & can't wait to ✅ it out! Thanks for sharing all the information
I don’t believe it’s at idle, it’s when you’re rolling down the road. The company that built the v6 that everyone is so fond of built these engines. The 3.5 was a terrible truck engine, but yes, reliable.
Had a ride in the trd pro at barrett jackson , super stiff suspension, the trx was alot smoother on the wash board, but the trd was good on the jump. I know tire size makes a difference but way to stiff , hopefully they're some adjustable.
I know the hybrids aren’t available yet. I was comparing the off-road with the trail hunter and pro and the hybrid was not an option for the off-road. I can send you a screen shot of what I saw if you give me your email address
I just sent a screenshot of what I saw on Toyota’s website to your Gmail address. It’s were you can compare different models of the Tacoma if it’s an option or not available feature.
While they need folks to buy them to work out the bugs, I’d never buy any vehicle from any manufacturer for it’s first two years, let the FOMO folks deal with those headaches!
Just buy a new Jeep and forget the new Taco. You will be a lot happier. Bought a 24 Rub X 10 days ago, and it absolutely slaps my 23 SO Pro into next week. Now , gotta figure out how to dump my Pro and buy a second Jeep, maybe even a Gladiator. Saw a YT Vid the other day, 24 TACO Pro 81K not including tax. The delaership added 15K as a markup. Cool Springs Tn dealer That TH will be 80-90k
@IndependenceOverland that's fantastic. I'm glad to hear there are still good deals to be made. yep, I m sure the new truck will spank the 3G Pro--- glad when I can sell my 23 Pro. enjoy the new truck , congrates on getting exactly what you wanted(that is the most important thing), and look forward to other videos
The problem with this vehicle is that it has a four-cylinder engine only. For almost the same money you could buy a brand new Chevrolet Silverado Trail boss edition with the 6.2 L engine that will eat this truck.
I'm a month late, but I am going to give my 2 cents . Well, in this case and as in the jeep wrangler. All that I am hearing are excuses to jack the prices up both of these companies have forgotten who made their vehicles popular, that would be blue collar working men and women. Now Joe's plumbing and heating cannot even afford to get a new work truck not to mention getting a wrangler or a Tacoma for fun!. All those companies have forgotten the people who made them as popular as they are now. You can tell the real RU-vidrs that are into off-roading and those that just make videos. Jack that hit a big water filled pothole on the way to the mall over the weekend , is the guy that shows up at the office on Monday and tells the story on how he went four wheel-in over the weekend!. That's the people who they are trying to sell to now .
Just call dealers. They will take a deposit to get you on the list. I have a few from over a year ago, and some more recent. You could put a deposit down for a 2025 4runner even. They don’t care, they just want to sell you something.
The first generation Tundra wasn’t a full size truck. A full sized truck has 4’ between the wheel wells in the bed. So the Tacoma isn’t a full sized truck.
The point is that all full sized trucks used to be smaller, as were mid sized trucks. I’ve seen my buddies 2019 Ranger parked next to an early 90s full size and they are basically the same. Perhaps a bit more narrow, but still massive. Look at old Toyotas, Rangers, S-10. They used to be half the size.
@@IndependenceOverland Actually Full sized trucks used to not have extended or dual cabs but the beds were alway 4’ between the wheel wells and 8’ or 6.5’ long. I am 65 and have had trucks for almost 50 years. My 77 Chevrolet and 97 Dodge Ram were every bit as big as trucks are now. It was only Ford who made a smaller looking truck for a while but it still had a full sized bed. The Tundra just recently got an 8’ bed.
@@marklihsu What is the maximum length of the bed. Can a sheet of plywood fit in it with the tailgate closed, open, hanging out unflagged or does it require flagging? 8’ beds can be closed and carry up to 12’ without flagging. 6.5’ bed can be open and the load doesn’t require flagging unless over 10.5’, anything less than 4’ requires flagging. If you can get a bed 48” between the wheel wells and 6.5’ long that would certainly qualify as full sized.
I'm fairly certain we're neighbors, so we probably have deposits at some of the same dealerships. Let me know if you're interested in utilizing my hybrid TRD Off-Road once it comes in.
If you have it before mine comes in, which is very likely, that would be awesome! Would you mind shooting me an email or a message on IG? @IndependenceOverland
Its 1200 after steel skids, steel rear bumper, rock sliders, compressor, etc. So its way ahead of the old Tacomas where they had less payload than that, with all plastics.
They openly say they didn't really design this for that. That's why the Tundra exists. If you need a people hauler and tow vehicle, Tundra. If you want a midsized lifestyle offroader, Tacoma.
Lol I don't have any trucks tied up at all. All that happens is the first dealership with the exact truck I am looking for calls me, and I get to go buy it. Then the other dealerships give my deposit back. Different dealerships have different opportunities with random trucks since Toyota doesn't actually do custom trucks. Sorry your offended by such a small thing you don't understand, and doesn't effect you at all. I hope things get better for you.
For reference a 2024 Tundra TRD Pro Hybrid starts at $72k. I predict $8k less for the Tacoma Pro, so $63,995. I have had a deposit on a 2024 Tacoma TRD Pro hybrid since April, 2023. I can’t wait for the official MSRP and fuel mileage announcement. I plan on stepping up to 35’s but other than that I have no other mods planned.
