Your rationale for this cartridge and it's intended use is spot on. Flatter shooting and more energy than 6.5 creed, Swede, .260 and not overbore like .264 win mag. Yet uses same high bc bullets. Less recoil than the .300 and other magnums. What's not to like? To the haters, so you would have ammo makers stop innovation? Should we all be driving Model T's, too? Humans are always going to tinker, experiment, improve. If they didn't you wouldn't have your Sacred Swede! The 6.5 PRC will be in my arsenal soon. And I don't even generally shoot long range. Sounds like a great all rounder to me. Thanks for the informative video.
James, very knowable and informative video. I recently purchased a Bergara B14 HMR Wilderness 6.5 PRC and truly enjoy this rifle. The issue as of today is that ammo is very difficult to purchase. Blue skies & shoot straight. Jg
Ballistics and sectional density is what has made the 6.5 a serious go to round in the field for a century. From the Swede to the PRC 6.5 just makes sense.
Lmao these replies are hilarious. Shot placement and being proficient with whatever you take hunting is key. My 6.5 creed killed elk just as dead as my 338 did and for those of you that actually eat your animal I can tell you they taste better with a hornady from a 6.5 than a barnes from a 300 rum. If you spent your time on the range and in the woods rather than behind your keyboard telling others what to use there would be alot more ethical kills and alot less tracking.
I like the energy created amongst firearm enthusiast with all these new boutique rounds that are coming into the market. Like them or hate them, it’s excitement created in a sport that could easily stagnate. But, they’re hunting rifles, not tacticool “weapons”. For me, my .30-06 will continue to do all the work I need out to 400 yards. Y’all have fun.
I just purchased my first rifle and ended up with 6.5prc 1.one because of my friend 2.I live in flat areas of New Mexico and figured It be best to learn to fire long distances.
The 30.06 is a great all around North American hunting round. I have a M1 Garand that is just a dream to shoot. I picked the 6.5 PRC for my first long range precision target rifle for a couple reasons. 1: The ballistics with ELD Match or even ELD hunting bullets just crush .308 for match shooting. 2: Plenty of power vs Elk which is the biggest game I would potentially be interested in harvesting. 3: I already have bulk ordered 140gr match bullets for my AR-10 6.5 Creedmoor. Since I already have great 6.5 bullets on hand, all I need is cases and powder to reload PRC. (dies also of course) You can never have too many tools in the toolbox.
Thanks for an excellent rundown of the advantages of the 6.5 PRC. I recently purchased a Browning X-Bolt Pro in 6.5 Creedmoor. It weighs 6 lbs, 1 oz., true mountain rifle weight. Using Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M ammo I got 1/2" 5 shot groups. BUT I had to let the skinny barrel cool down after each group to prevent "wandering" of shots that would open up the groups. Unfortunately (for me) the 6.5 PRC was not available in an X-bolt Pro at the time in 2018. So now I am thinking I'll sell it and get the very same rifle in 6.5 PRC. I live in Nevada and want more bullet energy at longer distances. But I do not want a barrel burner, a lot of recoil and a heavier rifle. The extra 2 oz for an extra 2" on the barrel in the 6.5 PRC X-Bolt Pro over my present 6.5 CM X-Bolt Pro is an excellent tradeoff for a higher energy cartridge with the heavier 6.5 bullets. I'm still within mountain rifle weight territory. Browning wisely gave this new rifle a 1:7 twist to stabilize those heaver bullets of 143 gr.+
I think you made the right choice for caliber. Granded the 300wm should be pushed with 212-230gr and would open the gap quite a bit on energy and bigger whole.
I've studied this cartridge and after years of shooting the 300WSM. I am going to try this cartridge, I will return with my report... Also I am tired of recoil as I age... Just my opinion
Blah, blah, blah!!! Probably a great round, if you could buy ammo for it. Can't even buy components to build the stuff unless you got BIG MONEY!! I'll call it a great round when all major manufacturers not only build the rifle but also make ammo for it plentiful.
What’s with all the whiners and haters commenting. I agree. The 6.5 PRC doesn’t do anything mythical. There’s nothing it can do that other cartridges can’t. So what! Most of us have several rifles chambered in a bunch of different cartridges. They all do basically the same thing; sling small pieces of inert metal at targets. Some inanimate. Some living. Why is something like a firearms or ammunition manufacturer introducing a new product so triggering?! Whew. Sorry guys. Just had to vent.
Very Nice ! Explained concisely and easily understood. I realised this during the last year and saved my nickels also. I just got 120 rounds of Hornady Match 6.5 PRC to feed my new Hawkeye Long Range 6.5 PRC. 2020 is gonna be fun :) If I get bored with the lack of range or size of bullet, there is always 300PRC and the Ruger Precision rifle :)
patriotpaul...I agree! I got a Browning Xbolt hellscanyon 6.5 prc. Tack driver! Was very happy with the performance of the rifle and factory Hornady ammo. Better then 2" group at 400yrds! So happy that I went out and bought the 6.5 prc's big brother...the 300 prc. Happy with the 300 prc also! I get it that these calibers are better then some and not as good as others. Bottom line for me...it gave me an excuse to buy two more rifles in a caliber that I didn't already have! 🤣
@@vanbnadad9432 Exactly! Nice ! I am so jealous ! Well I will be happy to get a little softer shooting gun that can hang with a 338 Lapua, in the 300 PRC as soon as my finances allow. Yeah I know there are stronger and softer guns to these but these are what I want. I reload mostly 30 cal and 6.5 and 45 anyway it wont be much difference in that dept either .
I have a 6.5 creedmoor and 6.5-300 Weatherby. The Weatherby requires no holdover over 300 yards with my factory Barnes loads and Reloads with Hornady bullets. My Aframes just requires a high should hold. I wouldn’t shoot 400 yards but as long as I could keep the crosshairs on the vitals I will pull the trigger.
Wow, lotta people haten' on the PRC. Don't get me wrong, love my 300wm for elk, but the 6.5 will get it done too. I run both guns during hunting season. A heavy 300, 13.5lb gun, for those long shots close to the truck that I get to prone out. Then there's the 8.5lb 6.5 for those long mtn hikes. The 6.5 PRC will do 90% what the 300 will do with less weight and recoil. It has its place.
Derek. There was a relative of your´s (Karamojo Bell) that shot well over 880 Elephants with a 275 Rigsby (7x57 Mauser) . I have shot deer and cattle steer with a 22 Lr. at 40 yds between the eyes . If I can get whithin bow hunting range of an Elk a 22Lr will do it.But a 6.5 is a bit underguned for the task and if it´s a bit beyond even more. 7 mm Rem Mag. Heavy bullet . My choice 338
When I was 30 Yrs I walked the ridges in the catskills from sun up till almost dawn to make it back to my car, The gun was a 1917 enfield in 30-06 that probaly wheighted about 8.5 with scope. I would swap your 300 Win mag for a lighter model. Great calliber but on the heavy side for a hunting rifle
I love the 6.5prc. Saves my shoulder from my 7mm rem mag. But on the real big game thev6.5prc may not be big enough.But If still use it. What gun ate you shoot I g it out of. Great info voxeo.Thank you.
Me too! It may not be the biggest a, baddest cartridge. It rings my 300 and 525 yard steel plates with similar authority as my 7 Rem Mag. I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot whitetails out to 700 yards with it.
patriotpaul...I agree! I got a Browning Xbolt hellscanyon 6.5 prc. Tack driver! Was very happy with the performance of the rifle and factory Hornady ammo. Better then 2" group at 400yrds! So happy that I went out and bought the 6.5 prc's big brother...the 300 prc (Bergara HMR14). Happy with the 300 prc also! I get it that these calibers are better then some and not as good as others. Bottom line for me...it gave me an excuse to buy two more rifles in a caliber that I didn't already have! 🤣
Great video I have been a fan of the 7mag for over 40 years. Moose Elk Whitetail and Mule deer 👍. But even with the 7mag bullet construction and placement is very important! I have used Speer Sierra Hornady Berger Nosler and Swift. The best hunting bullet for me is the partition bullet! Swift Aframe and Nosler 160 gr. Berger is a fantastic target bullet but I won’t use them again for hunting. I’m now 68 years old and looking for something with a little less recoil. And really want to try a new modern cartridge. So I am taking a good look at the 6.5 PRC. I really think it would do well for Elk out to 350 -400 Deer out to 500 But I usually like to get within 200. With something like the 127 LRX Thanks for letting me Ramble. 😂
I don't know because I haven't studied the ballistics chart for comparison but at first glance the prc looks just like 270 WSM I had in highschool or maybe like the 300 WSM I also had in highschool, so wonder what the differences really are between my highschool day's and this new prc round, doesn't look like anything to different to me.
Remember when Roy Wheatherby came out with his Magnum cartriges. It encouraged a lot of average hunters to shoot game at outrageous ranges. His souped up cartriges could kill game way out yonder just becase they were Magnums. Marksmanship and bullet placement skills were put behind performace. I see a new ultra long range craze whithout the proper skills for it
Lots of Fudds out there buy a range finder and think they can make a long range shot in the field without actually training for it. But the guys like myself who have the actual gear and practice will out shoot these guys all day long even inside 300 yards. We're definitely not the dudes on opening day shooting five shots at a deer. I've honestly only missed one deer since making the switch from a Fudd to a rifleman. So much more confidence in making a shot 500 and in than I used to be making a 200 yard shot.
OK, OK, you have convinced me. I got a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro and now must sell that same rifle in 6.5 CM that I bought last year. Just love that rifle, as you can tell. For a 200 yard zero I am getting 3 shot groups averaging 7/8". Notta too bad as Fr. Guido Sarducci used to say on SNL. The scope is a Bushnell ELITE LRTS 4.5 - 18 x 44, FP, mil/mil, G3 illuminated reticle. 30 oz. Now to take it to my club's steel range and shootout to 1,100 yards. And maybe use it in the steel varmint competition.
James my man, what scope would you have used that is: less than 30 oz., FFP, mil/mil, G3 reticle WITH illumination? Remember this is for hunting, not tactical use. And I don't want a "sucky" Vortex.
To all, yes that is really my last name. I’m from the Buckmaster family that first made the 264 Win Mag Improved. At the same time the 6.5-240 Wetherby. I did the development of our 6.5 Dakota over twenty five years ago. Those three model 70 actions, early 1990’s rifles, were highly modified for function and accuracy. All three have 30 inch heart barrels with leads set for different bullets. This cartridge was made to out perform the old 6.5-300 Wetherby Magnum in heavy rifles made in the 1960’s. Those heavy rifles had 32 inch barrels and Unertl scopes. The charts were made using split image Barnes and Stroud range finders. Chronographs weren’t even developed yet. They were designed to and did take game at one mile. To be honest. Even in a heavy rifle with a 30 inch barrel, that cartridge doesn’t have the velocity. Elk are tough. If you don’t put them down, and especially if they get to water, you’ll never find them. Now I’m sorry, but in hunting conditions most people are not accurate enough to put that bullet in his brain pan or through his heart at those distances. You have to take an ethical shot through the vitals at the shoulder or chest. An oblique angle is fine just as long as you have an A frame, a partition type bullet. You have to have at least 1800 foot pounds of energy to do that and put the elk down clean. That medium cartridge can not generate the velocities needed to accomplish that. That cartridge can’t even beat the old 6.5-06. If your going to try and take elk at 5, 6 or 700 yards with a hunting rifle, at the least use a 264 Winchester Magnum. If you know what you’re doing, you can run it at 3500 FPS. Even at 3300 or 3200 FPS, the 264 Win Mag can do it. I know there are people who can build the rifles, developed the loads and make kills at those ranges. Most people can’t with a hunting rifle. To be honest, I wouldn’t even try without one of the custom rifles. Make a clean kill and enjoy yourself.
Nosler has a 26 cal out now and it's the first thing I've ever seen that could shoot faster than the 264. I have a rem model 700 from 1968 and it still shoots true. My pap bought it new and died in 88 willing it to me and I took several deer with it as well. You just have to use patience and not fire shot after shot. If you are a good shooter you'll only take one when your hunting anyway. He never took more than 3 rds because he said if he didn't get it he didn't deserve it.
Absolutelly agree. Big game is tough. For me 7mm rem mag heavy a minimum for elk.Any thing else even a 243 will do it.Me 338 win mag from rabbits to grizzly and beyond. Kramojo Bell killed over 800 Elephants with a 275 Riggsby (7x57 Mauser) yet it would not be my choice. The one and only big game rifle i had till about 35 years of age was a sporterized 1917 enfield in 30-06. I shot factory amo and till reloading with old speer 165 grs grand slams got me sub moa with a pitted barrel. I had the confidence to aim and take a deer trough his eye . Wery tough built bullets and would shoot trough. Spine decame my aiming point
Just started reloading for my 6.5 PRC awesome results! I really loaded a lot of Hornady 147 143is 140s even the 123s and they all shoot fabulous but I'm looking for a game load. I've been play with a nosler load 140 grain partition still have some dialing into do but it's going to be a great load to!
Nothing wrong with new ideas . There's a huge collective of old and new cartridges that from a practical field perspective will get the task done if the hunter is skilled with the rifle in hand .
I calculate 1490 ft lbs at 675 yards with 143 eldx with .623 G1BC in 6.5 PRC at 3150 fps. If we’re saying 1500 of lbs of energy for elk, what are you using to get the 1500 lbs of energy at 800 yards? I’m only seeing 1090 ft lbs at 1000 yards using ballistics programming. Would love to know what your using to get the energy numbers your quoting from the PRC?
Depends on environment. 200 gr will fight the wind better but fall A LOT more. The 140gr in 264 cal is much easier to shoot longer but if its windy its lighter so may drift more but does cut the air better. Also depends how far.
You do realize you were comparing a 143 grain to a 180grain. But I would have loved to hear the felt recoil comparison. You almost sold me on that one.
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Good video. Couple issues. Basing a cartridges lethality on "energy" has been disproven by modern science. Next, if you are using a 180 grain 30 cal bullet in a 300 Win mag to shoot game at that distance..... you are handicapping yourself and the cartridge. Why not use the highest BC hunting bullet in that cartridge to make up for what you called "the margin of error."? Just as you did for the Creedmore and PRC? All three are amazing as I own 2 of the 3. And have a shot a PRC out to 1000. But let's make sure we are comparing Apple to apples here.
Hi Anthony. For our purposes we do not shoot as long as you are shooting. We offer the TM rifle in a number of calibers. For the PRC we are trying to fill a certain niche of mountain hunting. I feel it's a "practice out to 1000 if you have a place to shoot that far, but hunt at 300-600" kind of combination. Staying on the fleeting Tur, Chamois, or North American Sheep between shots is critical, thus the "just enough energy but not too much" comparison is important for felt recoil. Second, I used less than best BC bullets in the .300 so we didn't carry excess energy for the animals we would be targeting in that range and to keep the trajectory similar and felt recoil reasonable, once again for best practical margin of error reasons in the kind of hunting situations we will recommend this rifle for. As we all know, calibers are not one size fits all and thats why we offer the gun in a number of calibers. That said we really think the PRC fits well for the guy traveling high and far and shooting mid sized big game. And yes, all three are amazing! I love them all.
True Magnum, well said. I find it amazing the comparisons to old cartridges and something new. I am a boomer and can get caught up in the same rhetoric. Having been around firearms and shooting/hunting all of my life and growing up with Frank Barnes and Elmer Kieth, Jack O'Connor and the likes one can get "stuck". When the 6.5 PRC is compared to some of the older 6.5's (.264 M, 6.5 Rem Mag, 6.5x55 Swede) and such I think one misses the fact that the newer cartridges are designed with the long for caliber bullets used today. Chambers cut with this in mind allow these new cartridges to seat the LFC (long for caliber) bullets so the case can utilize full powder capacity. This also allows for a more efficient combustion chamber. So comparing "JUST" ballistics and energy many readers and in this case "watchers", miss the concept as to what is happening today. Add "macho" comments about weight of rifles and such I would have to assume no trekking for the largest of sheep or other 14,000 ft and above critters has been accomplished.
True Magnum , your comparison SUCKS - why didn't you use a .30 bullet with a BC closer to the high BC' s of the ELD-X - OH like a 175gr Barnes LRX or a 190gr bullet. And as a matter of fact you've got to be the MOST UNEDUCATED - MISINFORMED so call PRO, that I've EVER come across in all my 48 years of shooting, reloading & hunting - to make the statement that a .300WIN MAG is OVER-KILL is COMPLETELY STUPID - IGNORANT, & in fact SIR, you should just Shut Up & get off the NET(YOU-TUBE) !!!!!!!!!!!!! You can hunt anything from woodchucks to BROWN bear, moose with a .300win mag, & do it with commercially LOADED ammo, let's see you do that with your precious little 6.5. In fact your little 6.5mm WILL NOT HUMANLY KILL @ the distances you project because they DON'T HAVE THE WEIGHT behind them to PENETRATE, nearly as much as the heavier .30 cal bullets. If you don't believe me, why don't you look up the true gunsmith, Randy Selby on YOU-TUBE - ACCREDITED with over 35 years @ Speer with hundreds of custom guns to his credit & more than a dozen rifle calibers to his credit, I'm sure he will tell you the same thing. And between the two (2) of us roughly a 100 YEARS experience with guns, calibers, loads, BALLISTICS & killing animals, I'm pretty sure NO I'M DOWN RIGHT A 1,000,000,000% sure we know more than YOU. You need to STOP misinforming people just to sell your so called custom rifle........... I am so sick of you wanna be experts....... I could just keel over & die listening to all your LIE's just to make a few bucks - it's a disgrace to true craftsmans, & TRUE EXPERTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good video. It is worth noting that their is significant size range between a young cow elk and a huge trophy bull. Some folks hunt for food not trophies and pull easily attained cow elk tags, in areas where they are bountiful. The energy required should be reflected differently between those two classes of elk.
@@MaxairEngineering I do, and you stated, "Some folks hunt for food not trophies and pull easily attained cow elk tags" that implies that you believe hunters with bull tags are only hunting for trophies and are not going to consume the meat. Or that you believe that bull elk are no good to eat.
I'm sure they'll figure it out, but it's not going to be as simple as swapping barrels. Assume proprietary magazines, new bolt and some fine tuning of the gas system for starters.
Nice marketing; I hope Hornady paid you for that promotion. I believe that the 7mm WSM has similar recoil impulse to that of the 6.5 PRC. The 6.5 PRC seems to just be a new marketing with limited resources for Brass just as the Nosler series (i.e. Nosler 22, 26, 28, etc). I have also not seen SAMMI specifications for the 6.5 PRC; I checked today. I will keep watching this cartridge and can always need another excuse to purchase a new rifle.
Why not just stick with the 6.5x55 Swede, similar ballistics and it's commonly available in most parts of the world? Action needs to be longer but you can seat bullets right out to suit the rifling for best accuracy.
It's a hunting rifle, you don't need to build a 1/4" load, anything under 1" a hunter will load it & run with it, and may not even do that, if a factory load shoots under 1" they will just run with that.
You aren't going to push a 140gr bullet out of a 6.5x55mm @ 2900 fps. Lots of factory ammo is only doing 2500, and published reload data tends to top off below 2700 fps.
It is…find bullets or brass for it though! I burn through at least two 7saum barrels a year on average…haven’t pulled a trigger on a 7saum since COVID…they simply stopped making brass for it in favor of others…I can feed 6.5 prc all day long though….7saum is far superior to most cartridges…but it may be a COVID death
@@mikegrendel9126 haha keep believing that…7saum is a custom build with no support…your average hunter, no matter how extreme is not going to buy a rifle he can’t get bullets for..reloading or factory, it ain’t happening brother…try and find some 7saum brass real quick
I thought the 6.5 PRC is the latest and greatest? I shoot a 260 Rem 140 grain Berger’s 2990 FPS. Hodgdon 4350 powder. And your saying the all new 6.5 PRC shoots a 140 grain at 2950 FPS from the superformance line of powder. Thanks for clearing this up.
Your handload I'm sure is max. The point is the commercial 6.5 prc is maybe the same as what you are claiming...which is up for debate. And the commercial loads are not at max so if you wanted to you could launch a 140 out of the prc much faster...if you wanted to. So why do I need to handload if I can just buy it. Thats the reason I sold my 6.5x55s and I'm a prc guy now.
@@Halcyon1861 I’m about 1.5 grains from max. I do have a 27” Krieger Barrel with 5R Rifling. I thought about turning my 260 Rem into the 260 Terminator but I don’t want to mess with the accuracy. It blows the shoulder out to 35 degrees. The 260 Terminator is getting around that 3030ish FPS from a 24” barrel and Reloader 26 if I remember correctly. I just feel if I need more gun I’ll use my 7 Rem Mag.
I see what you’re saying but any one can read tables! I still like what Nathan Foster of New Zealand says in regards to elk. It’s about pay load. And 6.5’s really need high speed to kill. Personally I’d rather be on the upper end of elk medicine, rather than the lower end. Heavier bullet weight and larger cal’s do make a difference! I’d still stay either 300 mags. Ever a hot loaded 06, in a longer barrel, to me, is better than any 6.5 when it comes to elk. Sadly though a great rifle package, what we are seeing here is a talking down of what you may already have and a great desire to sell you something. I’ll stick with sporterized 24” barreled war time Mauser 06 that shoots 3/4” -Thanks
I don’t get that barrel burner canard. I’d be willing to bet even Weatherby barrels rust out long before they burn out. Besides, in the age of prefit barrels they’ve become replaceable easily.
No. It's only going about 3k. Not like the Nosler 26 or the Weatherby that's going a lot faster. And he's right about the recoil. Especially suppressed it's super soft and easy and fun to shoot. Also great for watching your impacts.
Calibers is like a car there's different make and model to chose from everyone as a opinion and have there preference on one over the other. Some buy or use a cal. That you like and is comfortable to you to use, you will make better shots and do a beter job of killing then the other guy that is not happy, dont like or not comfortable using the cal. That for my opinion is i use a nd like my 300 wsm lot of grain to chose from 130 to 220 grain. You should looke up the numbers for the 130 grain in 300 wsm wow. Great hunt and have fun thats the name of the game
I wanted only enough energy to kill, no excess. This keeps the trajectory as flat as possible which is important for this rifle in the backcountry where you are shooting high power, long distance.
True Magnum Never heard of wanting just enough energy. I agree that the various 6.5mm calibers are great but everyone comparing the 300WM with light bullets to 6.5 with heavy bullets are busy obscuring the truth. 300WM with heavy (208gr+) bullets beats the 6.5's handsdown in the longrange game.
Gotta agree. Even if you only consider factory ammo, the 300WM has a number of readily available cartridges with similar BC to the 0.264 143 grain ELDX. It's therefore carrying about 1/3 more energy over the 6.5 PRC, no matter the range. Stating otherwise is pulling a fast one.
Good review BUT you didn't talk about the 270 WSM. The main difference is the recoil and wind drift. I have a 270 WSM, a 300 WSM , and a 6.5 PRC. Each has its place. Shoot the 270 the most
Where I live in the NW and starting out hunting in the late 1950's up into the 1960's the most common were 30-30 , .270 win and 30-06 for deer, elk and bear .. Over 50 years I have found the .270 hard to beat except elk at beyond 300.. I hunted with two old timers who used 6.5mmX55 mm and that ctg was an eye opener for flat shooting and very accurate for taking game every year.. People said why use a 6.5mm that's used in Europe ? Took years for hunters to take a second look at the 6.5mm.. Myself I just do not hunt or take shots beyond 400 yards at game. . Well said but I do not agree Elk at 800 yards should be taken as its really a narrow margin in the hunting field for something to go wrong no matter the ctg used..
Norman Mallory - I just don’t understand shots at game over 400 yards. If you want to shoot long go to a range. I almost got punched once at a game checkpoint. Some loudmouth was bragging about shooting his buck at some ridiculous range. I told him I wouldn’t be bragging about being such a bad hunter I couldn’t get closer than half a county away.
Yes. The higher the number of the BC the better the bullet at retaining velocity and energy. The 7mm outperforms the 300 win mag at further distances. Granted the 300 win mag is no slouch and an amazing round. I have tremendous respect for both.
if i didn't have a magnum rifle. i would go with the 6.5 prc as my go to gun. i am a Weatherby fan. i have the 7mm Weatherby Magnum snd the 300 Weatherby in my closet an the 7 mm remington magnum and 7mm winchester short magnum in an another closet. each and everyone of these rifle does its job as the 6.5 prc or better them the 6.5 prc. i might buy a 6.5 prc. i believe in the old saying its better to have one and not have when you need one. as of right now i hunting (looking) for who make the best 6.5 prc besides me.
I love the 6.5 class and even better is the 6.5 prc on roids... The 7mm saum shoots flat, short action super long range hits hard with big energy way out there and light loaded the recoil ain't bad at all, I think it's one of the top rounds of all time that's been over looked, I've taken bull elk way way out there and it's great for deer, coyote and wolf bear etc with good rounds. I think it's one of the greatest of all time and I have about every caliber known to man except the 7mm prc
There is a big difference between the 6.5x 284 Norma and the 6.5 PRC and that is the 6.5x284 Notma is not SAAMI approved, I just looked it up and it's not on the list. The 6.5 PRC has been approved by SAAMI which means I will be able to go to my LGS and purchase the PRC. So that is a big advantage besides being in smaller package. For people trying to get into the game this makes life easier but for those who reload then it gives no real advantage over 6.5x284 Norma other than smaller package.
Cant shoot 140s out of a 260, Remington thought it would be a good idea to put a slow twist barrel in them for lightweight bullets, you'll run out of energy quick.
One more thought, in elk country, you will see the bigger bulls at the highest point of the tree line, which makes them very difficult to stalk in what has been the historical way to hunt--stalk to get close. As we move towards shooting from mountain top to mountain top, killing bigger bulls in their 'safe havens', how long will it be before the trophy elk is an average 5X5 or maybe even a 4X4? Add in the wolves and before you know it, we will only be able to read about hunting trophy elk or they will be raised behind a high fence. If you want to be a sniper, join the Army. They need you.
They don't care, as long as they get their big bull. Super long range hunting is, I'm afraid, going to have a negative impact on our game populations down the road. People are trading in ethics for technology and the guarantee of success. That and the fact that the majority of the guys who are super long range hunters are fairly well off, we're going to become just like Europe, where only the wealthy can afford to hunt. Joe Average can't afford the latest and greatest that seems to come out every year, and is at a disadvantage compared to the well heeled.
With all due respect, your comparison to the 300 Win is very flawed. In your ballistics comparison you’ve used Hornady’s best, heavy for caliber bullets in both 6.5’s and totally handicapped the 300 Win with a low b/c 180. Set the 300 up with say a 212 grain ELD-X at 2900fps or 225 ELD-M at 2800 and there’s no longer a contest...not even close.
..300 is better but for some shooters but the prc is low recoil for the power and thanks to the marketing the componants will be available easily.... The .264 woulda worked fine but its just not available like the prc is. Sometimes the hype has some pros
I’m stunned at how many cartridges are left by the wayside in these kind of videos. Does anybody read anymore? What’s wrong with the .270 A.I.? How about the .280 A.I.? How about the 260 Rem? 7mm-08? 30-06 A.I.? 7mm Mag? 7x61 Sharpe and Hart? 6.5-284 Norma? 257 Roberts? Please folks, understand that the new Hornady cartridges might be cute but they are in no way forging new ground in cartridge development. The only thing that’s different is that gun manufacturers are finally offering rifles with twists that can handle the heavier bullets for longer range plinking. That’s it. The .264 caliber rounds just happen to get first consideration in this new twist “twist” cuz some were short action, had lower recoil and readily available bullet choices for the discipline. Get ready, in five years expect the same theatrics in the .277’s, 25 calibers and 6mm’s when everyone will be switching again. Why? Better performance due to sectional density, b.c.’s and flexibility in application.
You keep saying caliber referring to the creedmore. It's cartridge.. your prc and the creedmore share the same caliber despite being different cartridges.
The hornady eld x bullet is not a hunting bullet its more of a match bullet that has a light jacket boat tail bullet that will not penetrate deep enough on elk at long ranges
It expands all right BUT frags within a couple inches NO PENETRATION, I know I shot a 347 pound Ontario black bear with one that the guide had to shoot , upon inspection we found that the bullet turned into pepper flakes - & that was with a broadside shot that only hit one rib @ 206 rangefinder yards.
None of the extreme long range bullets are super penetration bullets. They're not tough bullets. Look at Bergers for example. They're constructed just like a target bullet, because that's essentially what they are. I prefer to have a good tough bullet that won't blow up and fail to do it's job.
With the exception of the Federal Trophy Bonded TLR and Barnes LRX bullets, which seems interesting to me. Hasn't Barnes bullets gotten a reputation over the years for being a poor choice for longer range hunting because of bullets failing to expand? Lots of stories out there regarding a Barnes bullet just penciling through with little energy deposited. I think the Hornady ELD-X bullets are good, they're kinda like a long range tipped Interlock bullet, nothing more. Definitely a better choice than paper thin-jacketed Bergers. Some people have had success with the Bergers, but I personally won't roll the dice on such a weak bullet that is really just a target bullet.
Long range hunters are using 208/210 grain bullets in the 300 wm. This pushes it's capabilities much farther out than the 180 grain. I use a 6.5 saum and 300 win mag. My 6.5 is loaded light to 6.5 prc velocities. (3050) and my 300 is loaded to 2950 with 208eldm. Do the math on that at long range.The 300 is my elk gun the saum is my deer gun
paul watson Yes the 1500 yard using the 6.5 saum I messed up on my calc I had a couple of profiles for different loads. Clicked the wrong load without realizing it putting my first few shots way low. Doh! The 6.5 prc is an awesome round. If I wasn't already so invested in the saum I'd be building one. It's an excellent choice for Target and hunting
That's an awesome combination for long range elk! I used the lighter .300's to help my trusty .300 wm balance out the trajectory vs energy. It just drops more than I liked for this comparison, being one of killing mountain critters in the 400-600 range with Elk at the very outside of the size. 300 wins at over 1000 yards all day long. Your selection is for longer shooting that I do.
ERROLD TULEY , this fool @ true MAGNUMS has no clue what he's talking about. First to compare a 6.5 - 143gr to a 180gr - .30 cal wasn't even close. Why didn't he chose a .30 cal with a BC comparable to the 6.5 ???? Personally I'd like to see him put his 6.5prc up against my .300 WIN MAG, spitting a 175gr Barnes LRX @ 3,187 fps, on a Moose @ 500 yds & see which one drops that animal first, front shoulder into boiler room shot, or even straight up boiler room shot, bet ya that .30 cal hits him like a freight train while that little 6.5mm is more like a VS Bug.
OK, what does it kill deader than dead? .30-06, .308, 270 Win, 280 Rem all are good for anything the 6.5 PRC will handle. I've always been interested in building a 6.5mmX.308 rifle to get the huge sectional density and ballistic co-efficient, but I have no illusions it would be "World-changing". The .277/.308 Wildcat and 7mm/.308 are practically the same. Proper hunting bullets in heavier weights with good ballistic shapes have always been a problem for 6.5mm, otherwise, the Swedish 6.5X54MM is the answer to the question. I'd like a Ruger M-77V short action with a 26" target barrel and a Luepold 3X9 46mm scope, but there are lots of good rifles and scopes out-there.
Bullet Placement ( hint recoil IS a factor in this ) & Bullet Construction ( penetration & cavitation ) mean more than Energy Dump myths (like Mr. Brion's arbitrary 1500'#s) ; "KO Power"/"Kinetic Energy" etc. which set arbitrary #s for lethality. And remember a magnumitis flinch ( oh, none of you heroes have ever had that happen ) is worth at least a thousand foot pounds of terminal energy.
6.5 creed is a target round, that happens to work well for hunting purposes. The PRC is great, but please understand it isn't a new idea, compare it to the .264 win mag developed 59yrs ago! The PRC is designed to sale guns nothing more nothing less.
The 6.5 PRC has a longer neck to handle longer bullets with shorter bearing surface due to longer (sleeker) ogives that shorten the bullet's strait bearing surface. The .264 Win mag requires you to COMPRESS powder loads FOR LONG BULLETS. This can often spike pressures unacceptably. This means you can use heavier bullets (i.e. longer bullets) for, say, bull elk.in the 6.5 PRC v.s. the .264 Win mag.
@@exothermal.sprocket not true at all. 24in length standard and Winchester sold a 22 inch sport. They never sold a 26 inch. Also they only burn barrels if you keep running shot after shot continuously. They are a hunting rifle not a target. The 264 is better than the others except for the 26 nosler that shoots factory 129gr at 3400 fps. The 264 factory ammo is a little weak at 140gr at almost 3100fps. That's Remington corelokt. Mine doesn't like Winchester ammo for some reason. You can load the same 129gr bullet at around 3250 fps. None of those other rounds will do that. The thing is you have to take a little time between rounds and if you shoot 3 in a row give it time to cool down. Remember, you're not going to get 3 shots at a deer all at one time and if you do, you wont reload and go right back at it and if you do you're foolish because you have no sense shooting at an animal after missing 3. You know you can't kill it clean then stop. You have to be a willing to take that punishment from the 264 and nosler 26 also. They kick like a mule.
@@sonsofliberty3081 What I meant by "26" minimum length barrel required for the .264 win mag" is because of the design and capacity of the case, the fact it's a very over-bored cartridge and burns a lot of powder. If you want the benefits of .264 Win Mag you should be running the longest barrel possible, at least 26" to achieve the velocity the cartridge was really designed for. Again, barrel life isn't what it's known for. I had a .220 Swift 26" at one point. Impressive for .22cal but of course on the bleeding edge of maximum overkill, short barrel life, and powders that allowed it to utilize case capacity in a longer barrel.
I am a little surprised. The PRC, while being a fine caliber, is a bit mediocre when compared with the spirit of your program and one of your primary advertisers. The 26 Nosler is a True Magnum with stunning performance. When paired with the right muzzle break, the recoil is insignificant. At the modest and respectable shooting distances you attempt, the .270, or .280 is within 1” of the PRC’s performance. I know, old technology has no sex appeal, but it sure does kill! Keep up the great work.
Good video and logical well thought out reasons for caliber choice. Don’t mind many of these arm chair ballistic experts. Course’ thins is coming from a guy that pretty much gave up all rifle hunting as too easy and likes to get within 20 yards of the game.
Outdoor Analytics - It becomes apparent you haven't acquired sufficient knowledge to appreciate the talent shown by numerous posts explaining why other bullet weights paint a completely different picture than that presented by True Magnum. That said, the host speak truth regarding why he has made the choices he describes. No disrespect intended.
I’d rather shoot a deer at 20 yards with a modern compound bow than a deer at 500 yards...cuz it’s easier to do in a hunting scenario. Shoot a deer at 80 yards with your bow and we’ll talk. It’s not a big struggle to get 20 feet in the air with the proper wind and sling an arrow 60 feet at 340 FPS. So, that’s not an ample excuse for ballistic ignorance imo. Move on.
there are videos here on youtube where a giant elk was taken with a 6.5 Creedmoor at over 700 yards. It had a exit wound the size of a basketball. there was no ribs left.
I work in the hunting industry and for an international hunting travel agency and I do a lot of hunting trips and I would never recommend a client to use a 6,5mm caliber or use ist for myself for big game over the size of small to medium wild boar. It is too small of a caliber in diameter and leaves no room for error. 6,5 and 7mm cartridges lead our blood trailing and search statistics by far. Some big hunting areas in eastern Europe even forbid the use of them. If you hit the vitals no problem, but if you hit stomach or intestines, what happens with clients all the time, it will be a difficult search with the dogs with very little blood signs. Over 8mm or with.338 you have much bigger chances to find the animal of something goes wrong.
Hunting or Sniping? There is a big difference and the long lost mind set of "sportsmanship" is the key to knowing the difference. How many "hunters" can accurately it a six or eight inch target at 700 yards in a true hunting situation--meaning not off a bench and not off a "perfect", solid rest in the field.
Virtually none. I’m sick of this ELR shooting at game! I have a friend so taken in with marketing he thinks he’s going to drop an elk with his 6.5 Grendel pop gun. He also thinks it’s a “thousan’ yarder”. Just for fun I pulled up drop charts for 22 Creedmoor and the Grendel. Best loads with each: Grendel- 450” of drop. 22 CM - 197”. I’m going to guess it won’t sway his belief there’s something magical about 6.5 pills.
