6.5prc vs. .270win vs. Pork Shoulders Nosler 150gr ABLR 

22” is a very common barrel length for many non-magnum cartridges like the 270. So it kinda is a fair comparison.

I already have a .270 and the difference is so small that I see no reason to give it up. The results were pretty good on both counts, but considering the .270 is about to turn one hundred years old I think it held it's own.

100 years old and everyone else is trying to do what it already does. It truly is the best medium game cartridge ever made. Especially considering the shorter barrel AND a heavier bullet than it normally shoots. Waaaaay ahead of it’s time.

Thank you for donating a pint of blood to the mosquitos in order to inform us.

Can't believe I'm going to say this... but I think I would prefer the 270 Winchester. I guess I really hate 6.5 cartridges that much haha

🤷‍♂️ as an old fuddish man the newest version is suppose to be better but it’s marketing for you to buy more stuff 😁.

Great video thank you! Hornady have done a great marketing job for the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 6.5 PRC but the reality remains that for actual hunting distances, there is no reason to choose an any 6.5mm over a .270. I will not be trading in mine any time soon! Here in Australia, a big factor in choosing a .270 is that it is the minimum calibre(with130gr) permitted to hunt Sambar deer in the state of Victoria.

I choose the 270win because real men like Chuken use it.

270 all day long! There's a reason it's so hard to beat!

Same length barrels would be near identical performance. Both great rounds.

Watched this again. Ive got the 270win and would go with it. I heard your comment that ammo for 270win is more available. Yeah, thats one important consideration but its also economy. The less expensive factory ammo make for easy way to aquire brass to reload. Economy and availability were really the reason i have a 270win. Pre panDemocal i was purchasing ammo for $15-$16 box and $23 for the high end Federal Trophy factory stuff i got on a closeout. Chuck, the 270win was just a cheap ride for me so i invested in it, otherwise i dont believe its any better.

Hey hey hey!!!! I've been killing with 270 my whole life. Great woods range caliber and always performs on deer and bear. BUT.... BUT BUT BUT..... When pushing out or hunting where ranges exceed 400 yards I always go to 6.5 prc. Didn't use to be that way though. My choice would've always been 300 win mag. Since I purchased my first 6.5×55 swede in 2004 I've been a fan of the 6.5's complete versatility. From plinking to taking game it has been my go to since then. Recoil is better, and performance on par. The 6.5 creed was the revolution for a bit and the new age Mauser. It benefitted from cartridge designs. Enter the 6.5 prc. Man I absolutely love loading for this cartridge. It's a love affair. My wife, who loves her 270, since shooting my savage 110 highcountry has been wanting it. Ordered her a 110 timberline last November in left hand configuration. That o.d. green is sexy and the rifle is topped with an Arken 6-24×50mm gen 2 ... talk about a long range machine. I hope she gets to unleash it on a deer or bear this season down east where the shots can be out to the moon. Now ethically we don't kill beyond 800 but it can be done on grazing animals that are relaxed. That taken into consideration. I can't knock the 270 for what it brings. Not getting rid of any for dang sure. They do collect a lot of dust seems like these days. That 150 long range... how does it stabilize in your rifle? Assuming it has a 1-8 twist. I've read good things about it and I've never had a standard accubond come apart. Matter of fact everything shot with an accubond dies in its tracks. Thanks for the video

Having a 270 they are so close that i cant see buying a PRC. Either way both will make a dead critter at a very long way off. Win win

270,of course!

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I have a .270 which I use here in Southern Africa for 32 years! I only have this one rifle which I shoot with a hand loaded 140 grain bullet. I put well over 3500 shots thru it. I clean it and maintain it well. I still get 5 shots in 1 in at 100 meter. Nothing special. Good enough for me. I wanted to get me one of this new, fancy PRC calibers. 6.5 look good on paper but after watching this video, I ain't going to bother. I almost never shoot further than 300 meters and the 6.5 is not any better 😢

I have shot both and both are good to me. I like the tiny bit more frontal area of the .270, but really it is a wash. Shoot whichever one pleases you and go kill stuff. Thanks for the great content as usual.

Have the 270 tikka shooting the 150ablr with .3 inch accuracy ( tricky to tune that bullet) shoots lights out. I'd go for the 270 being a shorter barrell and higher s.d interesting to see the 6.5 prc wonder awell good stuff

Wow, the 6.5 blew the 270 out of the water.

I actually have both the 270 and 6.5 PRC. Actually super crazy you can get either one. I love the 6.5 PRC but I was able to get a Model 70 in 270 and I'm super happy with it. I really think you could go either way.

For hunting, i'd go 270, for the PRC that caliber shines in long range target and competition shooting with the high BC bullets. Now with the 7mm PRC out, i'd pick that one for a dual purpose cartridge.

I am not selling my 270 for a 6.5 PRC from this test.

I have a .270 and a 30-06, so I really can’t justify a 6.5 prc. 7PRC I’m trying to talk myself into as I don’t have a 7 or anything bigger than 30-06. My shoulder said no to 300 prc without even touching one.

I just swapped a 20" 270 barrel on to my rifle. I love it. 130g at 3200 is bad news for animals down range. (I don't have to worry about bears). I have a 6.5CM which I like (my daughter's new rifles) and bought the 270 because it is classic greatness.

Way more damage to the pork shoulder from 270 !!

Honestly, I would like to see an actual Hit , kill shots on Similar game in the field. It really doest seem to matter what caliber you hit animals with; Talking, calibers for deer, Elk ect. I actually saw a African plains Animal, run off , after being struck with a 50 Bmg. Everything; old argument fact, is shot placment.

I like both calibers. I have the most experience with the 270 with 140 grain loads seems to be optimum for my rifle. The 6.5 is designed for long range shooting but works as a general hunting rifle.

270 Win = '70's muscle car, 6.5 PRC = modern sportscar. Either one works, they just do it differently. FWIW, I'd go with a 280 AI and call it good.

.270 is WAY BETTER PERIOD !!!!@@###

I paused the video on the.270 and the second water jug was blown off the table and you didn't check the jug for evidence of performance. I have y .270 and I shoot the 150 gr. bullet. So I have never shot the 6.5!

if i did not already have a 270 i would consider the 6.5prc. the two are so closely matched however that i dont see any advantage in abandoning the 270 at this point.

Both rifles performed very well Id use which ever of them was in my hands. For the non reloader .270 wins for ammo commonality hands down, but 6.5 PRC is a little flatter for 350 to 450 yard shots. Plus 6.5 PRC has slightly less recoil. Very fair and realistic comparison and thank you for doing this video. I grew up shooting and reloading for 6.5 cal rifles 6.5x52, 6.5x55, and 260 Remington to name a few. The reloader can do amazing things with 6.5 PRC.

I think the effect on a game animal between the two calibers tested will be purely conversational, so go with the one you like the best. Good video, thanks.

They both work end of story. Have fun 👍 😊 game can't tell the difference. Food is in the freezer 😋

With less than half the weight retention on both, I’ll stick with the 140 grain regular accubond. I’m guessing it would retain more weight. Any comments?

Come on man, be committed to your tests. Just cut 2 inches off that prc and make it fair. 🤣🤣🤣

I lean 270. But really want a 280 ai.

see 270 is AWESOME

Interestingly, the 270WIN does a little better than the 6.5PRC with Barnes LRX bullets in both… but only by about the same amount that the 6.5 beats 270 in the ABLR’s. These two cartridges are in a dead heat… It is thus not unreasonable to let cost and availability tip the scales. One of those new Browning X-bolts in 270WIN with 1:8 fast twist and 165gr ABLR would trounce the PRC pretty solidly… Cheers!

6.5/.264 vs 6.8/.277 as calibers really do not have that much diameter difference. Get either moving at the speeds you got in this quick and dirty comparison and you have a decently powerful hunting load for anything that either caliber and weight would generally be appropriate. Tiny differences are not going to change anything in hunting. Even target shooting is more about the shooter and how well he or she meshes with the equipment than it is the equipment.

If you already own a 270 just keep it. If you dont and are looking at hunting past 500 maybe get a 6.5prc. But then why not a 300prc. But if you are most people hunting inside of 400y just get a 308 and save money and barrel life lol Got too many friends that have their feeder at 100y and want to constantly talk about bc and the drop and wind difference at 1000y lol at 100y you could be just as effective with a 243. Every caliber has a purpose and too many people are chasing a unicorn looking for a do it all caliber

Yep the old gal wins! Put the 270 win in a 26" and see what it does.......With that said, i have a 7 SAUM and its great, but only 3 in the mag, and it doesn't feed real slick, has its limitations. Just ordered a 270 win x bolt and even though i hand load factory ammo definitely helps. The .270win is under rated as a hunting cartridge,because its old? a lot of these newer short, fat, cartirdges were developed for long range shooting, hunting with fast twist barrels and high BC bullets, do the same to a .270 win and it hangs right in there.By the way, i have the original creed more, a 6.5X55 swede, in a rem 700 and yeah, that cartridge is old, developed in 1894 but it has more case capacity than the creed more or 260 rem, go figure.

I think if you did 22 vs 22 it would be a dead tie. However a lot of guys are getting excellent performance in the 6.5 clear down to 18”. I think if you had two guns identical but one in 6.5 prc and one in 270 and cut the barrels down in 1” increments down to 18” you’d see the prc perform better than the 270.

as long as you are NOT RELOADING.. 0.270 can do BP.. plus it is still in the 26" barrel 25kpsi muzzle pressure, something that modern gun nuts don't know a thing about.. hey, 0.50 BMG also was designed with the 25kpsi muzzle pressure...

Its pretty wild how close a 100 year old cartridge design basically matches a "improved version" the 2 cartridges are most definitely interchangeable there really is no difference at all inside 500 yards. I understand for comparison sake cartridges are measured out to 1000 yards for performance but lets be real 98 percent of hunting is done inside 300 yards. So bullet construction should be more important to guys rather than looking at energy values @750 yards. Id say for the average joe who just wants to hunt get the .270 a box of any PRC ammo is pricey you can still buy .270 power points or corelocks for like 25 bucks. Granted they arnt premium options but id wager it would work great anyway. Prc is a sexy looking cartridge though i have to admit. Pick either one they do the same job in the woods

Kinda weird testing a long range bullet at 50 yards. Especially with a PRC that's taylor made for mid to long range shooting.

eh, ammo being sold at the gas station is a non issue, your rifle has to shoot it well enough to get to the target, and it has to be the right bullet to perform at that distance on the game being hunted. so, you might be fine hunting deer in the woods, and still be shit out of luck hunting in the mountains. im not sold on "wide variety of grains to choose from" either. its a marketing gimmick to sell ammo to the most gullible hunters, the ones using the .30-06 and .308. in a .270 you can do it all with 130, 150, and 160. you can do this with any non .30 cal chambering. because... the hunters that buy them put more thought into the purchase in the first place and are less likely to think changing grain weight is going to do something magically different on an animal. inb4, .30 cal 220grn RN kills bears good? thats why your pro hunter is carrying a .416 rigby, because the 220 grain kills bears good.

.270 for me. Ammo availability being a consideration.

Ammo is a lot cheaper for the .270 and you can get heavier bullets.

I'm still shocked we're striving to defeat the ballistic performance of 100 years ago... And @ 51 years of age, I'm beginning to wonder why we bother. Does the 30-06 not already kill everything in North America? (assuming we can hit it in the right spot)

Where it come to penetration the bullet design is more important than Caliber

Both will harvest game.

They should have stuck the 7mm in the 6.5 prc case. Would have about equal performance to the 280 AI in a modern cartridge.

Proof that the new flashy cartridges don’t do anything the old ones don’t. Unless ur punching paper or banging steel out past ethical hunting distances.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "crushes" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Good video Chuck I guess it's a toss-up which one won my local gun store has a ton of 6.5 PRC ammo in stock

I have had a 270 in the past. Really want a 6.5prc but inevitably I always go back to my 300win. Hard to beat. Like the videos.

Great comparison! For me 6.5 PRC is perfect.

Don’t have either one, like my 7x57 and 7mm mag and 284. As long as a caliber puts the game on the ground it’s all good.

I am a HUGE fan of 6.5 and I have 3 different ones in 6.5-06, 6.5x55 Swedish and 6.5x55 Krag, but I see no point in the 6.5 PRC over the 270 Win unless you have a 26" barrel an intend to use it for long range hunting. Then there is a clear advantage to the 6.5 PRC. And that is where the ABLR is somewhat useful as well, but I really don't like the bullet for general hunting where you might get a short range shot on an animal. It is way to soft and the weight retention is terrible at high speed. I totally prefer the Barnes LRX for long range hunting, unless you want to shoot at an animal at a very far distance. Then the ABLR might be a better choice. I very much more prefer to shoot a deer at 50 yards with the LRX than I want to shoot it with the ABLR. And if it is a moose, then I EXTREMELY much more prefer to shoot it at 50 yards with the LRX than the ABLR.

Nice video, however, a 270 with only a 22 inch barrel is nothing more than a loud 7MM-08. A long action cartridges. long powder column requires a longer barrel, than a short action to achieve their full potential. A 270 will gain a lot more from a 24 inch barrel that is 6.5 PRC would gain from a 26 inch barrel.

How did the pork shoulders look?

6.5 is choice. 270 can kick I know. I like the 6.5.

6.5 300 weatherby. Period.

Imagine a 7mm bullet in a 6.5 prc case. Something between the new 7prc and a 7mm08.

150gr 35 Whelan explodes it. Or .35 Rem. 😅 or .358 Win. Soft lead SP....150gr. 1970s style.

Good comparison.

would love to see the ABLR in 7mm rem mag!

How is the accuracy with the CZ Chuck?

Hopefully with the 6.8 western the 270 starts to see improvements in variety of higher bc pills. I think there is a 165 accubond with a really good bc but my rifle won’t stabilize it

Testing the ABLR weight retention at 55 yards is not that relevant, as the bullet was designed to mushroom and retain weight at longer distances / slower velocities. One should always use something for what it was designed to do. The ABLR is a great bullet when used for what it was designed for

I like 6.5PRC they just shoot really good

The 6.5 has a better SD than the 270.

Very interesting Chuck. Excellent velocity from the 270 I thought. The 6.5 also great although as you said a 26 inch barrel might be advantageous. Impressive how both maintained good energy at long range - particularly the 6.5. Cheers Dave 🇺🇸 🇳🇿

.280 a.i. crushes both of them.

Compare it to 270 wby!

As far as factory ammo availability, that's a wash, whether searching online or going to any big box store. I've seen plenty for both cartridges and an overly impressive selection

Performance inside 300-400 is negligible. Both are so close. The PRC wins in BC drop and drift at distance as well as most factory rifles will probably shoot it more accurately because of the design. I say a good rule is don’t get a PRC if you have a 270 but there is no reason to get a 270 over a PRC if you’re shopping for a new rifle unless you already have one and want to keep the same caliber in multiple rifles.

You mentioned you can’t get any tack driving loads in your 270. What all have you tried? And have you scrubbed your barrel to bare metal so as to get to a new starting point? Push several solvent soaked wet patches through it then a dry patch. Then oil it generously with Kano kroil or free all. Then IOSSO about 20 passes then back to wet patches with solvent and then a brush.

Hey thoughts on that Cz600 alpha. Be debating between the cz600 alpha in 6 creed or a Bergara b14 hunter 22-250. I’ve got a Bergara thats lovely and never had a cz but seems similar to my tikka. The stock seems cheap but waiting on boyds to get some stocks for the 600. Thanks!

Nothing in it I don’t think the game you hunt will know any difference, my father has a 270 win but I have a 264 win mag now that is a step up but we shoot deer about 200 yards and shorter distance the last buck I shot I stalked up too him too too about 28 yards with my 44 mag encore , I suppose if you want a step up in power from the 6.5 creedmore then the 6.5 prc would be a good choice, many thanks 👍

I really didn't think they would be that close. As much as I've used the .270 I thought for sure the PRC would win. .270 not doing too bad for being 98 years old. I hope I can perform that well at that age.

Nosler brass is no advantage

270 win (1925) a 100 Years old cartidge satying head to head to a 6.5 prc (2018), for me the winner is clear, 270 "WIN" PS: new rate twist in 270 can shoot heavier bullets

.270 has been taking care of business for 98 years and has dropped every game animal on the planet...my 1991 Ruger m77 rs with a 22" barrel has never failed me and ammo is everywhere...🇺🇸👍

Run this test again at a reasonably long distance, like 250 yards, and catch 'em in gel.

Which one kicked harder?

35 years experience handloading, hunting with and shooing 270 Win in at least 7 states on game, and a few Canadian provinces. 3 months experience with 6.5PRC. They're like kids, love them both, they're just different. Despite better brass on hand from Lapua for the 6.5, I've found it much easier to get a tack driving load in 9 different 270s with WW and Starline brass v my ONE PRS 6.5PRC with an MTU Lilja barrel and Defiance South Fork action, MDT chassis system. However, that PRC shoots factory Nosler 140 btips 1/4 minute - go figure. Like many, I like to try new stuff, load for it, see what I can get out of it. I don't like one more than the other and as of today, I'd take any one of my 270s with their handloaded 150 Berger VLDs with H4831SC, or the 150 Nos Btips over IMR4831 over my 6.5PRC with the factory 140 Nos Btip because I shot them all at 600 yards at my dad's property in north Alabama and the 270s all did better with 3-4 inch 5 shot groups whereas the PRC's best was 5 inches but mostly 6 inch groups. FOUR OF THOSE 270s are FACTORY Tikkas! Not a big deal but since we all seem to be diving into "what's better...." then might as well agree a 3.5" avg group is better than a 6" group at the same distance. PLUS, my 150s are clocking at 3000-3050 fps in a 24" barrel and the PRC's 26" barrel is clocking those btips at 2920. In my case, the 270s win this hands down

Looks to me that with equal bullet weight and equal barrel length that these two cartridges may be equal. Now if you give the 270 Winchester a 1:8" barrel twist rate then it becomes a real bruiser with 165 grain to 180 grain .277 bullets. And Browning has been giving some of their factory 270 Win Rifles with 1:7.5" barrels. I'd say it's about time getting one of those Browning Rifles and do some reloading!

For my newest hunting/target rifle it came down to the .270 Win and the 6.5 PRC, and I went with the PRC for it's tighter tolerances, better accuracy, better long range, and more balanced overall characteristics with regard to everything..recoil, ballistics, accuracy & efficiency. I think it's the most well rounded cartridge you can buy right now with one exception: Ammo prices. For the record I also have rifles in 30-06, .308, 30-30, .35 Rem, .45-70, .22 and .17hmr

I have a 24" .270 and get 3009fps with a 150gr

Toss up.

Draw

I wanted a PRC real bad, but I like to do the walk in test before I buy a new gun. I walked into fleet farm and they had 12-15 different .270 boxes, and only 2 in 6.5 PRC. And the lowest price for PRC was 125% more expensive.

I wanted one of those Cz rifles until I learned they use an aluminum receiver. I’m a fan of almost all calibers 6.5, but the 270 win is a phenomenal caliber as well. Great video!

From what I understand, they would be virtually identical (ballistically speaking) out to about 450yds and then the 6.5 will outpace the 270 from there on our. This was a good test and you did a good job with pertinent info. I have several calibers from 222 to 45-70 but never had a 270.. I am seriously considering a 6.5 PRC or a 270 and even though I appreciate the history behind the 270, I think I'm going with the 6.5 PRC IN maybe a Springfield Waypoint.

If you have a .270, if it shoots well for you and if you like it there's no reason to swap it for 6.5 PRC UNLESS you want to get into long-range target shooting (due to lack of good match bullets in the .277 caliber) or you simply want one. If you don't currently own a rifle in that class you might consider the PRC, especially if you plan to reload or do long range target stuff. I own a 6.5 PRC and have shot many .270s over the years. While the PRC generates slightly less foot-pounds of recoil with comparable bullets, the PRC recoil is more of a longer push vs. the sharp, quick crack of the .270. I find the PRC more comfortable to shoot FOR ME. The .270, however, is not uncomfortable. With a muzzle brake and a decent recoil pad and most folks can handle the recoil of both just fine. Both are great rounds and fully capable of hunting anything up to and including elk. The key as always is using the right bullet and putting it in the right place. Do that and I doubt that any animal could tell the difference between the two.

Both will last a life time if you only shoot it a few times a year for deer season.

The presentation is good for close range. 300 yards would show people more. And 500 to 1,000 yards would show the target competition differences. A relative of mine owns the 6.5 PRC Weatherby Vanguard, and it shoots very nice. I own a 6.5 Creedmore Ruger American, a .270 Win Tikka T3x, and a .308 Desert Tech MDRX. In my situation, the differences are greater in the rifles than the ammo. At ranges less than 150 yards. 350 Legend, 360 Buckhammer, 400 Legend, 450 Bushmaster, or 45-70 Government. Would meet most peoples needs very well. A lot of effort goes into any of these presentations. And I do find the presentations entertaining and informative. I have bought a collection of rifles to teach my grandkids shooting. But since most shooting ranges are 100 yards. The grandkids are not seeing differences in calibers, as much as differences in styles of rifles.

Most new buyers will get some 6.5. Have a very old 30-06 that will rebarrel to 35 Whelen and will get/Build a 7mm Rem Mag or a 280 AI