The B1G better tell NBC that they may not be able to schedule ND anymore unless they join. NBC is only paying ND $22M yearly now. That's why ND is begging NBC for $75M yearly to remain Independent. Unfortunately NBC will not want to pay anything near that for ND to be playing the service academies and the leftover teams. NBC wants them playing the B1G because that's where the money is. So that should help nudge ND towards the B1G to triple their TV revenue.
Agreed. The ONLY way ND will join a conference is if they can't piece together a decent schedule of power opponents. Proven in 2020 when they joined ACC football for one year.
Grab Miami, FSU, ND Stanford. Can you imagine B1G Championships rotating Miami Hard Rock stadium, Indianapolis, and the Rose Bowl! That would be Amazing
UNC might be a better addition then Stanford. UNC is the flagship of the state of NC, an excellent recruiting region. The Bay Area doesn't bring anything anymore but wokeness and homelessness. If the B1G added Stafford and/or Cal they would have everyone in the conference using their proper pronouns.
@@roris5882 The rumor now is that Notre Dame is pressuring The Carolina Basketball Conference to add Stanfraud, Berkley, and SMU. If that is the case, then there a few things to extract from this move.... 1) Why would the ACC all of a sudden consider adding these 3 when they were not wanting to do a merger with the PAC 10? Because the CBC just witnessed a major P5 conference on the Leftist Coast dissolve before their eyes. With the announcement months ago of the "Magnificent 7", the ACC doesn't t want them to turn into the "We Be Gone 8!" Diluting the stew with more members that WANT TO belong and KEEP the ACC intact forces there to be 9 or 10 votes to dissolve the conference. If just one more decides they found a better deal in another conference the ACC could be history within a day! 2) With Notre Dame pushing for Standfraud as a member and ND also having a contract till 2036, this sets up ND to have at least one of their annual rivals they can get a win from as an In-conference opponent....should the next round of CFP negotiations in 2026 minimize or even expel Notre Dame from ever winning a National Championship again. Thus, ND has a conference they can join...where they can act the Big Shit instead of being just another member in the B1G or struggle to have a season above 0.500 in the SEC. 3) IF FSU and Clemson and Miami depart the ACC BEFORE ND has to JOIN for football too....the ACC will be regarded as a Tier 2 conference and rankings will be much harder to come by for ND with such weak strength of schedule, even if the rest of the ACC stays intact. If ALL the Football Schools depart (FSU, Clemson, Miami, VA Tech, perhaps even UNC, NC State) there will be no P5 status for what is left in the Carolina Basketball Conference. It will be made up of former Big East basketball schools primarily. 4) I think UNC and NC State are sitting on the edge now. I doubt that they will vote to dissolve the conference. Even though both will have better destinations they can go to. They will be split between the other 2 or 3 Power conferences BUT...they have had control of the ACC as founding members of the Carolina Basketball Conference. If they depart for the B1G, SEC or Big 12, they will be just another member trying to be relevant. They really don't add much in the way of football compared to those conferences, except in BB. And BB doesn't bring the $$ or "influence" like football. Egos are important things sometimes.
ND scheduling contract with the ACC prevents them from joining a Conference that isn’t the ACC until 2036. Unless ACC collapses like the Pac 12…ND is staying independent or saving the ACC. That’s why ND wanted the ACC to add Stanford, Cal, SMU to ACC. You can see it! ND will give up their status as independent if they can land in a conference as the clear #1 brand making the most money.
@@roris5882 UNC would be but ND loves scheduling Stanford. The Big 10 advantage to finally lad that whale is to take its food supply aka teams they schedule. As conferences increase and conference games increase ND is being squeezed for opponents. Michigan, Michigan st, Purdue, USC, Penn State, Northwestern, Stanford are 7 of their 10 longest standing rivals. Only BC, Pitt, & Miami make up the other 3 and of course they are in the ACC.
I'm guessing you never received the text message. The B1G's vision is to become a coast-to-coast mega-conference with the following criteria: (1) The presidents declared that any expansion deals must be additive, the value coming from media rights. That rule restricted the B1G strategic schools to USC, Oregon, Notre Dame, Clemson, and Florida State University. (Each of these schools average two million or more viewers per game.) (2) The B1G has a strong preference for AAU schools. FSU is the #1 "AAU school in waiting" on the New American Foundation list. Clemson is not a good fit academically. The first step, triggered by the SEC's addition of Texas and Oklahoma, was to begin forming a West Wing of four to six schools with USC and UCLA. These two schools were never going to be the only B1G schools 1500 miles west of Lincoln, Nebraska. Oregon and Washington were always going to be added in this round. The B1G lusts after a footprint in Florida. When the time comes, we will go after FSU. IMO, their partner will be Miami. (Miami does not clear the financial hurdle on their own.) Stanford and Cal don't clear the financial hurdle either. However, I sense that the B1G would like to find an excuse to add, at least, Stanford. Warren proposed a Notre Dame/Stanford deal that got rejected. Perhaps that deal can be resurrected in the future. I haven't given up on Notre Dame. Look at their 2024 schedule. When the B1G and SEC get to twenty teams and schedule ten home games, ND is going to find themselves being squeezed.
Part of the AAU requirements relates to investment in research and publication. While Clemson is not yet ready to stand in the on deck circle for the AAU, they're in the dugout. They've expanded their automotive engineering program into a separate school and established/strengthened ties to prominent corporations as well as the Department of Defense. Clemson is moving forward with a College of Veterinarian Medicine, which will grant doctoral level degrees. And Clemson, one or two years ago, added a PhD program in their History Department, specifically in Digital History, which is among the first in the country and the tip of the spear of where the profession is heading. This is in addition to their other partnership programs (GE Aerospace and Clemson's Department of Materials Science, the Watt Center, etc.). The university has really pushed itself hard to increase its national presence and research/scholarly production for upper level undergrads, graduates, and post-graduates. Long story short, I don't think it is far fetched to imagine Clemson entering the Big 10 due to their projected path as a university. I still think they need work to position themselves, probably a brand new library, and more ideally a law school or some other kind of professional school to tie all together. A Big 10 with Clemson is not outside the realm of possibility.
ND, FSU, Clemson, and UNC add the most value to the TV contract. FSU and Clemson want to get AAU memberships. FSU already qualifies, they just need to get voted in. Clemson has some work to do to improve their academics. The B1G has the academic resources and influence to help them get it done. They can create an academic improvement plan for Clemson to follow by investing some of their own extra B1G revenue into their academic plan. After the B1G adds those schools the SEC will never be able to catch up to them financially.
I copied and pasted from an earlier comment for your enjoyment.... The rumor now is that Notre Dame is pressuring The Carolina Basketball Conference to add Stanfraud, Berkley, and SMU. If that is the case, then there a few things to extract from this move.... 1) Why would the ACC all of a sudden consider adding these 3 when they were not wanting to do a merger with the PAC 10? Because the CBC just witnessed a major P5 conference on the Leftist Coast dissolve before their eyes. With the announcement months ago of the "Magnificent 7", the ACC doesn't want them to turn into the "We Be Gone 8!" Diluting the stew with more members that WANT TO belong and KEEP the ACC intact forces there to be 9 or 10 votes to dissolve the conference. If just one more decides they found a better deal in another conference the ACC could be history within a day! 2) With Notre Dame pushing for Standfraud as a member and ND also having a contract till 2036, this sets up ND to have at least one of their annual rivals they can get a win from as an In-conference opponent....should the next round of CFP negotiations in 2026 minimize or even expel Notre Dame from ever winning a National Championship again. Thus, ND has a conference they can join...where they can act the Big Shit instead of being just another member in the B1G or struggle to have a season above 0.500 in the SEC. 3) IF FSU and Clemson and Miami depart the ACC BEFORE ND has to JOIN for football too....the ACC will be regarded as a Tier 2 conference and rankings will be much harder to come by for ND with such weak strength of schedule, even if the rest of the ACC stays intact. If ALL the Football Schools depart (FSU, Clemson, Miami, VA Tech, perhaps even UNC, NC State) there will be no P5 status for what is left in the Carolina Basketball Conference. It will be made up of former Big East basketball schools primarily. 4) I think UNC and NC State are sitting on the edge now. I doubt that they will vote to dissolve the conference. Even though both will have better destinations they can go to. They will be split between the other 2 or 3 Power conferences BUT...they have had control of the ACC as founding members of the Carolina Basketball Conference. If they depart for the B1G, SEC or Big 12, they will be just another member trying to be relevant. They really don't add much in the way of football compared to those conferences, except in BB. And BB doesn't bring the $$ or "influence" like football. Egos are important things sometimes. PS : Few posters online know much about anything in CFB world before they discovered they had a penis. LOL Like the reason there was a Big 11 for so many years instead of a Big 12 in the Upper Midwest/Mid-Atlantic? Instead, it was the Big 11 until Nebraska was admitted and people still have no clue how they got in. Or the REAL reason MD and RU are in the B1G now. This all started with Jim Delany...even before Jim took the job as Big 10 Commissioner. Jim just made sure it moved forward and kept going. PSS : NEVER trust Notre Dame!! They play a sneaky game. They are 110% all about ONLY Notre Dame. The ACC better be smart about what they do from now on....but they haven't proven to be too shrewd or visionary.
@@josephcernansky1794 I can't see the valuable ACC schools, like FSU and Clemson, agreeing to let Stanford, Cal, and SMU in the conference because it would make it more difficult for them to hit their needed majority of 8 or more members to vote and blow the ACC up. Plus I doubt any of those schools actually add positive revenue to the ACC's TV contract. It also would cost a lot more money for them to travel all the way out to the Left Coast to play them. Since all the members have to unanimously vote in new members I don't see the 3 new schools getting accepted. Since ND probably isn't willing to join, as a full time member, with them it seems like a pipe dream. After the ACC implodes ND will probably be forced to move the rest of their sports programs, including football, to the B1G. I can't see the B1G continuing to play ND if they don't join because the B1G gets nothing out of playing them in non-con games.
We need to have conferences who represent their geographic locations. SEC, B1G, east coast. west coast Pacific North West, etc. Let there be only 10% of players come from another region of the country. This will make bowl games relevant again. Then have the best teams play for the national championship.
@@eddihaskell I read somewhere they’re really close to getting that AAU membership. Nebraska lost theirs and I’d take Florida State any day over Nebraska.
The B1G needs to plant a flag in the state of Florida for the recruiting. FSU is a huge state school with a large alumni and fan base. Miami is a rinky dink snooty elite private school with a tiny alumni base and an unfaithful fan base that hasn't been seen in 20+ years. So FSU it is, the B1G can always decide to add Miami at a later date.
@@roris5882 Strongly agree . I’m new to these RU-vid streams but I’m enjoying these comments and sharing conversations with people who love college football 🏈
@@gew1898 I think it's only a matter of time. I know ND always talks tough like they don't need any help from anyone but they couldn't even afford to buy Utah's OC out of his contract. NBC is only paying them $22M yearly and they are receiving a portion of the peanuts from the ACC. That's why they have been falling behind financially and are begging NBC for $75M yearly to remain Independent. I just don't see NBC willing to pay them that much because the ACC can collapse at anytime and the B1G can refuse to play ND unless they join. ND would instantly triple their TV revenue after joining the B1G because it's already written into the new deal. They could just be waiting on the ACC to implode so they can tell their fans joining the B1G was their only option.
Its fascinating to see 2 different perspectives on Big 10 expansion. This is why an Iowa fan probably shouldnt like it. Ranking, Coaches Poll 1. Michigan 2. OSU 3. Penn State 4. Wisc 5. Iowa 6. Minn 7. Maryland 8. Illinois Add in expansion 1. Mich 2. OSU 3. USC 4. Penn State 5. Wash 6. Oregon 7. Wisc 8. Iowa 9. UCLA 10. Minn 11. Maryland 12. Illinois Without division teams like Iowa could be sideline by stronger competition.
Cool, but then too many games. Main playoff should be 8 games and not 12. Top four ranked conference champs and next highest ranked. Money wont allow it though.
@webmoore4353 I agree w/playoff, as well as "too many games", but that ship has sailed, unfortunately. If the conference is this big then a 2-team championship is harder to justify. Will also need to go to 10 conference games, though I have no issue with eliminating a cupcake
Stanford i really do think will find a home when the paint is all done drying. Cal, Washington State, and Oregon State i think are sadly in real trouble and have no cards to play at all. Cals athletic department is in serious debt too. If you can land Stanford Cal offers nothing except a travel partner. You have the bay area market with stanford and natural rival for USC and Notre Dame. Cal sadly offers nothing except maybe the ability to be a travel partner for Stanford. Cal has a very weak hand and serious debt by its athletic department , they cannot afford to be in the mountain west
FYI: the Big Ten isn’t interested in winning championships, they’re interested in making money. Jim Delaney of the Big Ten was seemingly the first to see through the fallacy that good programs are what build good conferences, when in reality it’s great television markets that build great conferences. Currently the Bug Ten dominates the LA, Chicago, and NY television markets, and will only add teams based upon what television markets they can add to the conference. Ergo: the Big Ten will never kick out northwestern because northwestern represents the Chicago market.
When the B1G adds ND they will no longer have a use for Northwestern because ND owns the Chicago market. ND is also more popular then Rutgers in NYC. The B1G doesn't need 3 schools in a state the size of Indiana so there is no reason to keep Purdoodoo. The B1G would have too many schools concentrated in weak recruiting regions. So just by adding ND the B1G would no longer need Northwestern, Rutgers, and Purdoodoo.
@@roris5882 northwestern and Purdue are both founder schools from 1896. There is no way that the Big Ten is going to kick out any founder schools. Furthermore, I am quite certain that each Big Ten school had a team of attorney’s that were smart enough to change the Big Ten’s bylaws in such a way as to ensure that the new schools couldn’t vote out the old ones.
@@garycombs5721 I know they are founding members and they probably can't vote anyone out BUT the valuable majority of members can agree to vote to dispand the conference, then they can instantly create a new one without the bottom feeders or peepee touchers (Northwestern). They better start pulling their own weight financially because as soon as the B1G expands with so many top tier programs and they realize they can maximize their TV revenue without the bottom feeders then their days are numbered.
@@josephcernansky1794 The ACC is about to implode and the B1G can cut ND off at anytime by refusing to play them until they join. So I can't see NBC willing to get involved in a high risk deal by paying ND anywhere near the $75M they are begging for to remain Independent to play the service academies and the leftover teams. NBC wants them playing B1G schools because that's where the money is. ND would triple their TV revenue after joining the B1G so they may not have a choice, if they want to remain relevant.
Same can be said about most any other over-priced institution of Higher Indoctrination!! I've met people with engineering degrees from all sorts of "prestigious" universities with bragging rights....That will NEVER be engineers as long as their ass points to the ground!!!
The smart ones already came to that conclusion. ND couldn't even afford to buy Utah's OC out of his contract. Their TV revenue would triple after joining the B1G. Their administration is probably just waiting on the ACC to implode so they can tell their low IQ fans joining the B1G was their only option. Plus they wouldn't have any buyout fees if the ACC no longer exists as an entity.
I said it over 25 years ago that it is more beneficial for Notre Dame to join the ACC and NOT the Upper Midwest Conference. I was right then, and I still think that Notre Dame does NOT want to join the Upper Midwest Conference. They backed out of the deal right after Penn State signed the membership contract in the late 80's... which Notre Dame had been willing to join as #11 with Penn State being #12. THAT is how you got to become the Big 11...ND changed their mind really quick when they saw what Penn State had to deal with in the Upper Midwest Conference. NOW?....I see Notre Dame still pulling to maintain a conference landing spot other than the Upper Midwest. I may be wrong on this but something drastic will have to happen before you see Notre Dame in the B1G Conference.
Notre Dame and North Carolina are the most valuable properties left, but Clemson and FSU would allow the B1G to establish a solid southern foothold. No one else is worth bringing on board unless conference also-rans are purged
OSU has become one of the few programs where you can just assume the QB is going to play really well. The last 3 QB's all ended up in NY their first season starting. Riley and Day are the CFB QB guru's, and McCord will just be the next in line there.
A 0 week schedule fixes that, those who have to travel like that will be coming off a by week so they will have no problems traveling. A 0 week schedule gives all schools in the big10 two bye weeks, so that's two cross nation games a team if need be. But my question is, why is that a problem now? Ohio State traveled to Hawaii and Oregon to play, but no one was saying the travel. How are we going to do that? But now it's a problem? I don't see how.
What you’re talking about between Michigan, OSU, and Penn State in the same division is exactly why we need to forget divisions all together like I mentioned even with teams being added and added all the way to 24.
Steve you're nuts FSU and Clemson bring so much more to the B1G in football. I say carry on with the Yost tradition, fight off those Irish from joining the B1G.
I said it over 25 years ago that it is more beneficial for Notre Dame to join the ACC and NOT the Upper Midwest Conference. I was right then, and I still think that Notre Dame does NOT want to join the Upper Midwest Conference. They backed out of the deal right after Penn State signed the membership contract in the late 80's... which Notre Dame had been willing to join as #11 with Penn State being #12. THAT is how you got to become the Big 11...ND changed their mind really quick when they saw what Penn State had to deal with in the Upper Midwest Conference. NOW?....I see Notre Dame still pulling to maintain a conference landing spot other than the Upper Midwest. I may be wrong on this but something drastic will have to happen before you see Notre Dame in the B1G Conference.
@@josephcernansky1794 the ACC won't last another 5 years, ND needs to go to the Big12 or SEC. The B1G is in the states of Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington and Wisconsin. Soon it will add South Carolina and Florida to the list and could be more, yet you disrespect the best overall conference by calling it the Upper Midwest Conference.
Penn State and the Big 10 wanted access to the ACC/SEC states for recruiting purposes. I strongly believe they will go after AAU universities like Notre Dame, Miami (FL), Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, and Stanford. Ten conference games will be the marquee fixture for NBC Sports, CBS Sports, and Fox Sports/BTN.
As a NE Ohio guy saw Allar play in HS he wanted to go to OSU but they didn’t offer him a scholarship till real late in the process & was a slap at the point. Penn state got a top 60 player from Ohio (but he was a WR & osu didn’t offer him a scholarship (every other program in the country did 😂
Weeks 11 and 12 should be flex scheduled for semi finals and championship, with the remaining teams getting paired up. Week 0 or 1 should be The Game, USC vs Wisconsin, Oregon vs PSU, and UCLA vs Washington. 9 games = 4 games on linear + 4 games on BTN + 1 Friday night game
B1G 24 PACC. Add Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, and Miami Then Add Cal and Stanford. 4 divisions of 6 teams. Then you do 3 games against the other REMAINING 3 power conferences, 1 game each against the other B1G divisions. then you add ONE NON POWER 5 GAME.... 😮
Also, its in the SEC footprint! Then, the B10 would be truly national in every region except for the state of Texas. The only teams really worth while when it comes to the Tv partners Texas and A&M are already in the SEC. The B10 footprint would be 1# California 3# Florida 4# New York, 5# Illinois, 6# Pennsylvania 7# Ohio populated states. Then look at the tv markets 1# NYC 2# LA 3# Chicago 4# Philly 8# DC 12# Seattle 13# Tampa/St. Pete 14# Detroit 15# Minneapolis/St. Paul 17# Orlando/Daytona Beach 18# Miami/Ft. Lauderdale 19# Cleveland/Akron 20# Sacramento/Stockon. This would be all in the B10 footprint!
I agree with you about Cal and Stanford with the ACC schools I just mentioned. I like your idea about starting a week earlier and giving 2 byes. Here is my other idea that I think makes total sense even though everybody shoots it down. Screw the divisions. Even with added teams. 24 teams, 1-2 guaranteed rivalry games, rotate everyone beyond that equally, live with not seeing every team within 2 years, and take the top 2 teams at the end of the regular season for a championship game based on win/loss and pre-agreed upon tie breakers. No complaining about a weaker division, no complaints about the 2nd or 3rd best team not getting in because of divisions, just take the top 2 as mentioned. Live with the tie breakers.
Guys at what point do you believe football will break away from other sports and have their own conferences and other sports play a more regional schedule? Even with football paying the bills I can see the women's soccer coach at Maryland (or add your equivalent scenario) saying hey we dont like travelling to USC on a Wednesday to play and expect our "student athletes" to still be successful academically? The vast majority of these kids will be professionals in something other than sports.....food for thought.
200% AGREE on this...eventually it becomes untenable for ALL sports to functions as NATIONAL competitions.....Football is a god unto itself. Women's water polo or rowing is not. (How are they getting those racing sculls on the planes in carry-on? LOL)
NO on Cal or Stanford in the BIG 10! When you add a new school you get all of it, not just football. Cal and Stanford are not a cultural fit for the BIG 10.
They are also adding four programs that are strong academically. The Big 10 has many strong academic schools. The addition of Stanford and California would be totally awesome! Traditional Big 10 is full of top technical programs. So it becomes a superstar academic conference.
As an Iowa and Big Ten fan, I absolutely HATE this expansion. It will ruin the conference and it's all about MONEY. I have never liked even Maryland and Rutgers joining. The Big Ten is a Midwest regional conference! It's not fair to the fans either. It's already expensive to travel to away games, now some of these games will be 2000 miles away or even more. It's stupid!!!
Cade McNamara vs Kyle McCord is one of the most insane comparisons I've seen and is disrespectful lol. Meanwhile we are talking up Drew Allar who has never taken a snap but pretending like every 1st year QB Ryan Day has doesnt turn out to be elite
Aaron is not paranoid, I mean, he might be, but he’s right to suspect that the end game is a smaller number of super teams. Not sure it would be a better entertainment product, but it sure will kill College Football.
I don’t think the big ten will ever kick teams out. One the presidents will never agree to doing it because they would be afraid their school would be next. Two it benefits the major brands to have some cupcakes in conference to pile up wins. The only way some big ten teams get “left behind” is if the major brands break away and create a new league. I think the chances of that happening are very slim, at least in the short term (5-10 years).
I'm a lifelong Michigan fan and a alumni. Can I be very honest here? I could not care less if we never play them again. If they want to schedule a home and away every 10 years fine. If Michigan ends up playing them in some playoff or even the national championship great! But WE and I hope THE BIG CONFERENCE doesn't NEED to play anyone.
Great shakeup. Hopefully Stanford, Cal (if they bring money and better game day environment energy), ND, and MIA, FSU, Clemson in. Let it ride...Big10》SEC. And....Big 10 championship game in Big10 legacy stadiums, rotating with Rose Bowl.
Teams like Iowa and Indiana have sneaky high viewership. Purdue, Northwestern, and Minnesota are the schools with lower viewership. You need teams like Indiana. The games are usually entertaining but since they lack depth lose at the end. OSU and Michigan get their win and the TV viewership is high. If you only have the elite teams playing other elite teams each week half lose. Excessive loses harms brands. Also basketball is the second largest money maker and these schools are big names in that market. TV has to sell advertising in March also. Kicking schools out would not be wise.
Adding OR was an acknowledgement that Phil "stankshoe" Nike had to offer up Free jerseys to get OR JC in... If Kal & the 'ford are added, it further cements Steve's comment about the Univ Pres' not being real cool with the notion TV is runnin the show. Fight On!!
Not even close to the same thing as Washington State. Their members left. They didn’t kick out a founding institution. Northwestern is a founding institution. Fat chance they leave. Same thing with Vanderbilt. Iowa has been in the B1G longer than founding institution Michigan, I doubt they leave either. Iowa is also a top 20 brand….
Miami does not have a fanbase that shows up for games. When Florida State comes to town, you will see the stadium full with about 1/3 FSU fans, or more. Notre Dame will not join the B1G any time soon.
Of course it’s probably going to 24 tops. But, how quickly. Yes, Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Notre Dame always, in the discussions. But, Notre Dame always stays independent, and those ACC schools will have to go through litigation and find a more favorable exit scenario than what the contract is. That could take time.
Two 10 team divisions, 9 game divisional schedule with conference championship between division leaders. So who are the best, next two? Best case, one would be ND, but that’s not happening, so UVA and UNC feel like the best. In the end whatever outcome I hope ND loses access to TV revenues and CFP slots.
The ACC Grant of Rights contract is rock solid. There will be no movement by ACC schools bc the penalty for doing so is a media death penalty. Btw, the GoR is in effect until 2036.
The valuable ACC schools can sue the ACC for Breach of Contract due to Failure to Maintain a Financially Competitive Conference. The financial gap between the B1G/SEC and the ACC is about to explode. A judge could force a reasonable buyout. Then if that doesn't work the Magnificent 7 can always bribe another member, like Pitt, or two to agree to hit their needed majority of 8 or more members to vote to blow the ACC up. Pitt would love to be reunited with WV in the Big12, plus they would love to have them. It wouldn't even cost that much for the Magnificent 7 to toss another school a couple Million each. If the valuable ACC schools were smart they would hit the ACC with everything at one to guarantee it is finished forever so they have no buyout fees or restrictions.
@@junglemoose2164 Exactly, all the people parroting the clowns on the MSM sports propaganda networks by claiming "the ACC's GOR is so iron clad that nobody will ever get out until 2036" sound ridiculous. They are probably just coping hard because their favorite schools are being left behind because they don't generate enough revenue to keep up with the big boys. I can't see a federal judge agreeing to keep the ACC's valuable schools hostage in the ACC to become irrelevant. The US court system usually helps people and entities earn more money because it's good for the economy and it generates more tax money for the Gov't.
No matter how "rock solid" the GoR is, it will not survive intact past 2025. ESPN/Disney also own broadcast rights for the SEC. They can make up most (if not more) of the ACC revenue by adding some key ACC teams (FSU, Clemson, an NC team and an Virginia team) to the SEC and having multiple marquee matchups every single weekend versus having to broadcast low ranking ACC games like Wake Forest v. Duke. It is also untenable from a marketing, PR and political perspective to try to force these schools to stay. They know these schools are leaving.. they're just looking for the best deal.
@@jakenunya1587 The lawsuits against ESpiN will be enormous!! AND POWERFUL!! All this has proven is that.... 1) The Basketball Schools will have to go back to joining the Big East and be hopeful to get even$10 million per school way out in 2036. 2) IF the ACC survives after 2036, it will be made up of replacements from the American, Sun Belt and C-USA. 3) Those that hold back The Football Schools will be relegated to the dustbin of history.
The B1G should go to 28 teams. North: Notre Dame, tsun, Sparty, Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, and Illinois East :Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA, UNC, and Clemson South: FSU, TCU, Baylor, Okie State, Kansas, Nebraska, and Colorado West : Wisky, Minnesota, Iowa, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington Play six division games, one rival from every other division, one game that rotates among the teams you don't normally play, and two OOC games. At the end of the year one through seven in the North plays one through seven in the South. The same for the East and West. Then the winners of the two number one games play for the championship. With the threat of being blackballed in all sports and losing all of its traditional rivals except Stanford and Navy, ND would get in line. Not to mention the money that conference would make.
My fellow UM fans are so happy about this and I feel like I'm the only one that sees it will be the worst thing for this football program. That's my gut feeling. This administration doesn't have the balls or foresight to adapt to this new landscape quickly enough and our recruiting will pay the price. Give Underwood the bag or fade into irrelevance... again.
Are you kidding me????! Seriously? No disrespect here, but your uber-mercurial HC and tight-arse administration just somehow, someway brought that Program back from the national college FB dead!! Against any and all reasonable probability. My God, man. When the B10 histories are written, and this is no joke, the exit of Urban Meyer, M's "Covid-19 cancellation" of The Game in '20, and its subsequent obvious paranormal conjuring of John "Newt" Cooper II was the nexus of this current, seemingly unstoppable, Golden Age of M football. Unbelievable.
SMU was severely punished (NCAA, SWU - Death Penalty) … for corruption, recruiting violations, payoffs. Now Too much money for “Amateur Hour” Sport Dept. With NIL - this now applies to Athletes. Northwestern’s Hazing throughout the Sports department - could lead to B1G penalties. Penn State’s football department mess, a few years ago. Michigan State’s gymnastics sexual abuse. Iowa’s condition coach/racist situation a couple years ago - a warning also.
Yeah, let’s ruin college football even more than we already have! Cast your mind forward for a moment to a conversation in 2028: “Bro, don’t forget, we’re in a year divisible by 3 so we get Oregon State on the road in night game! I am soooo there. We’re tied in the all-time series 0-0, so this will be a really important game! We gotta stay even with Colorado just in case they pick up an extra win in the Southeastern Conference championship game against Syracuse. Yeah, hard pass!
Man I hope they fix the Big 10 Conference. It is soo boring to watch one-sided games. For instance: Michigan is playing only 2 ranked teams Penn State & Ohio State. I mean who would buy season tickets to this crap?!
The B1G needs to add ND, FSU, Clemson, and UNC to expand their national footprint into the South for the recruiting. Then they can put the SEC out of business because the B1G will be making so much more money and their teams will have better exposure due to negotiating a better TV contract. The B1G eventually might start adding the valuable SEC schools they want. That's why Sankey is getting nevous and was crying to Finebaum about the NCAA and why he now wants to become the Commissioner of P-5 football to stop the B1G from taking over so he can keep the SEC as the dominant football conference. The B1G can use their academic resources and influence to help FSU and eventually Clemson get their AAU memberships they covet.
@@bradenm3 You must have just teleported here. Don't worry, you are safe now. The B1G will take care of you because they are about to run college football, the NCAA sure as hell isn't.
The SEC is in the South, the fans can still drive to games. Look at the top teams in the SEC they’re more in the center. Travel is the problem for fans.
The SEC is in no way hurting or scared of the Big10 lol. You can’t put a conference out of business trying to buy blue chip schools that aren’t always relevant. The point of the Big10 isn’t even to try and “own” the whole sport - at that point it’s just a governing body and not a conference.
Maybe if the B1G expands past 24 teams. There are too many schools that are more valuable additions then them. Like ND, FSU, Clemson, UNC, and Miami. The Southern schools are in a way better recruiting region then the Bay Area.
@roris5882 the ACC schools are not going anywhere right now! Besides the B1G is a Conference that values Academics, and you won't find better schools in that department then Stanford & Cal.
@@roris5882 But think of ALL the HOMELESS people that can be in tents outside the stadiums! LOL They'll just tell everybody they're waiting in line for tickets for months!! (Until it starts snowing!! )
NU is totally different than Iowa, IU, or Purdue. The other schools travel and show up anywhere. NU should have been kicked out for ND 100 years ago. But don't see relegation happening within a stable non shrinking conference. Hasn't happened yet in all of this realignment. Remember even the pro sports have lower tier teams.
As a Miami Hurricane fan who is originally from Chicago/Chicagoland and who now lives in Clearwater, Florida aka Tampa Bay, the logical expansion is clear. 1# Notre Dame, 1A# as a tandem rivalry from the state of Florida of Miami and FSU. If the ACC GOR was only a 10 year contract meaning it was signed in 2016 and over 2026, the B10 would have going after Miami and FSU at the same time as they went after USC and UCLA. Why? The SEC has the 2# largest state in their footprint with the two Texas and A&M when it comes to CFB. The SEC is already in the 3# largest state with Florida. The B10 went into the 1# largest state in their footprint with California with USC and UCLA the two best CFB brands. The B10 next will want a footprint in Southeast in the 3rd largest state with Miami vs FSU! The B10 tv partner will want the rivalry for B10 match ups. They wlll want Miami and FSU matching up against USC, UCLA, Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and Nebraska! Those are national rating gold. They will want the multiple top 20 tv markets here in Florida. The state of Florida is 3# in population at 23 million. It will be at 25 million in 5 years and damn close or at 30 million in 10 to 15 years. When it comes to recruiting in Florida, the B10 having FSU at the top of the state and Miami at the bottom, it will give all the schools in the B10 print not in the West more access to Florida HS recruits. These Florida HS recruits who decided to leave Florida who have interest in B10 schools would know, they would play in Florida and at home against Miami and FSU at least once in their 3 to 5 year career. Remember, since 1970 and the AP era, there are only 13 teams who have won multiple national titles. The SEC starting in 2024 will have 6 of those teams with Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, UGA and UF! The B10 will only have USC, Nebraska, Ohio State and Penn State. The B10 adding Miami and FSU gets you to 6 just like the SEC. To win a national title, you better be able to recruit! You better have good to great recruit base and state. You need to be able to national recruit! You must be willing to spend money as program to win in CFB! Miami, FSU and USC fits that bill and they had shown that since 1970!
I actually think that FSU is on par or perhaps even more valuable than USC. USC just happens to have generations of accolades so that makes them more of a "national" brand than FSU. But. if FSU gets their ass in gear again...they light up the TV's across the country! Getting FSU/Miami is as big..if not bigger than adding just Notre Dame or ND/Stanfraud together. But ultimately, adding ND/StanFRAUD and FSU/Miami will put the B1G over the top. At least in terms of National exposure and $$$$. If they had the foresight to add TX/OK there would be no need for the NFL. LOL Who knows? Maybe they are talking to A&M now? That would be more fun than anything from the Upper Midwest!! (Away trips in November to the south...or freeze in the Flat-ass tundra?!! It will be like In-Conference Bowl Games!! And we can do repeats of the 87 Fiesta Bowl were the Clean-Cut All-American GOOD GUYS defeat The Loud-mouth Thugs AGAIN!! On an annual basis too!! )
@@josephcernansky1794 Yeah, they could have went after Texas and OU a while back when A&M went to the SEC in 2011! Hell, they could have went after Miami and FSU back in 2016 and 2017 before that ACC 20 year deal was signed. Trust me! Miami and FSU would have listen and joined the B10 in 2017! It would have shook CFB more so than USC and UCLA for last year and Texas and OU two years prior. The B10 would have had their footprint in the Southeast/Florida for 7 years right now. All the B10 schools would have benefit from being in the state of Florida for recruiting purposes with Miami and FSU on board for 7 years. Florida is a hell of alot closer to B10 schools now than California.
It’ll be EITHER Cal OR Stanford. You only need one of them to get the Bay Area market. Put your business hat on and you will take Stanford. Now we can rake a 20th team NOT on the west coast.
If the Big 10 takes both Stanford and Cal they will have six West coast teams and they can have a West Coast subdivision. That would make it much easier for all sports to schedule. Have 4 six team divisions. Then every sport can have a BIG 10 championship playoff. Also cover the whole nation with a 24 team league. After six West Coast teams add four east coast teams and cover the entire country.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 when the B1G put out the first 2024 schedule they did away with divisions and went to the Flex Protect Plus plan. Have you heard anything flat would indicate they are going back to divisions? I don’t know of many Wolverine fans that want divisions.
It’s a travesty that the B1G doesn’t grab Stanford and Cal- after all these years of proclaiming were an “Academic Conference” and you don’t go after those two!? Yeah yeah I know “well they aren’t big brands and won’t bring in new markets.” Very sad state of college football
26:20 only the 500th time I’ve heard you use this analogy. Guess what though? If Coke or Pepsi decided to make the same drink as Dr Pepper & flavors they would cut Dr Pepper’s target demo down drastically. Same thing applies, if the Big 10 or SEC wants to take the teams from the Big 12, they would and can. The teams now they don’t want. The ones in the Big 12 are on the outside looking in. I am not saying I like it that way because I don’t but that’s the truth. Maybe OK State is a team someone would want. These new schools that will be major brands in the Big 12 with Arizona, Arizona State and Utah are team the Big 10 could’ve had & chose not to take. Now with the clock running on first down there will be more ads, this is the final commercialization of college football. It’s all about ad revenue and markets.
I can't see certain programs giving up 7-8 home dates on the schedule. With ten conference games, gonna be a lot of schedules with 6 home games which will piss the ticket buying fans off.
A. Does anyone remember The Western Athletic Conference (WAC) of The 1990s? B. The BIG10 is now a ticking time bomb. C. The BIG10 is committing the same 3 sins that destroyed The Western Athletic Conference (WAC) as a FBS Football Conference. 1. Spread across too many timezones. A. Central Standard Time. B. Mountain Standard Time. C. Pacific Standard Time. D. Hawaiian Standard Time. 2. High travel cost. 3. Key rivalries not being played every year. D. The South Eastern Conference (SEC) is a rock. E. The South Eastern Conference (SEC) got expansion right. 1. They're in only 2 timezones. A. Central Standard Time. B. Eastern Standard Time. 2. Low travel cost. 3. Key ravelries can be played every year. F. To anyone reading my comments. What do you think of my observations?
The Big Ten and Big 12: Destroys the Pac-12 like a pack of zombies finding the last human survivor. The ACC: Politely is asking to add the remaining Pac-4, which only will bring down their average football product.
I'm going to disagree. You don't "grab" up people banging on your door for survival. It is not as if UCLA and USC had to be begged to get all this money to switch. Neither did Washington or Oregon. You have to fund ALL your collegiate level sports, men and women, and unfortunately, Football and Basketball are the only ones that bring in the cash.
The PAC 12 leadership Destroyed themselves . Don’t act like The Big 10 was the reason . You don’t think those schools reached out to the Big 10 wanting in? You’re nuts if you think not .
NO...the ACC is looking to dilute the members who are wanting to vote to dissolve the ACC. They need 8 right now...Adding a couple more that WANT and NEED the ACC conference to remain intact for themselves helps to lock in the Football Schools from leaving before 2036...which ONLY serves to piss them off and make them vengeful to eliminate the Basketball schools from ever being thought of again!
@@josephcernansky1794There’s almost. 100% chance The ACC will piss off so many schools that when 2036 comes that conference is going to explode like a nuclear bomb
What an absurd comment. SEC started this. BIG 10 IS college football and making it better. Pac 12 did this to themselves with incompetent leadership....and this coming from a PAC12 guy.
Sec was playing checkers and the big10 chess. Sec said we're going to take Oklahoma and Texas and become a regional super power. The big10 said ok hold my beer as we become a national super power, ucla and usc come on over don't forget your to cuz up north Oregon and Washington and Fsu and Clemson we have spots for you also.
“We sure did own the SEC by snatching up schools haven’t made or won a Natty in decades - we’re national now so clearly we’re better than them!” What the SEC did made regional and brand-based sense. Texas and OU feel like SEC teams. The Big10 responded by trying to collapse a conference a 1000 miles away because they haven’t had significant wins since 2014. The Big10 is desperately trying to play catch-up in recruiting and brand acquisition and you’re completely misinterpreting what’s happening.
@EulogyfortheAngels what you really fail to realize what is going on. The big10 is actually playing chess by becoming a national brand coast to coast it takes power from ESPN, who own the rights to of the SEC and ACC. Therefore, they prop these brands up over everyone else and meddle in the cfp if they don't have a team in. I would not be surprised that in the next 5-8 years from now, the big10 cuts tie from espn. So the sec has been propped up by a so-called neutral network, but that can't be so if you have vetted interest in the product. The big10 decided enough is enough and decided to do something about it, and it is working. Sometimes, you have to step back to see the whole picture. The sign that the big10 is going to cut ties with ESPN is when Norte Dame joins the big10. If that happens, then ESPN loses.
BIG 10 has lost its identity. They actually look desperate by expanding all the way out to the west coast in a effort to improve the conference by increasing its odds of finally winning a championship… It’s been riding Ohio State for the last 20 years.
@lillamb2212 again your missing the point. espn, controls college football sports by propping up the SEC and the ACC because they have a stake in both, and most people get their sports news from espn. This helps the recruiting for both the SEC and ACC. The big10 having a national footprint with elite schools evens that up and takes power away from espn. The big10 has been distening themselves from espn for 10 years now, the big10 network, fox sports, CBS, now ABC, NBC and peacock. The ACC even wants out of espn grasp. There were no problems when Texas and Oklahoma joined the sec only when the big10 one upped them that expansion is a problem.
UNC is a founding AAU member. So the B1G has heavy interest in adding them and their administration probably wants to join the B1G. Many of their fans want to join the SEC but they have no pull.
But they have the best recruiting grounds in the entire country, a top 5 media market, Top 3 travel destination, huge B1G alumni presence and tons of booster $$$.
You guys act like fans and viewers can only watch one game at a time. Welcome to the age of technology! You can watch as many games as you want. So these conferences covering all time slots is brilliant. Not everyone lives on the east coast and is passing out at 11pm. There may be less people watching but these sports channels and all the others that have invested in these sports still need their viewerships so diversification is the best play.
The next shoe to drop is Miami, FSU, Clemson and UNC leaving the ACC for the SEC. The magic number for these conferences is 20. ND will stay independent. I think conferences won’t exist in a decade anyway. Everyone will be independent.
Why would the SEC want Miami and FSU? The SEC is already in the Florida footprint. The B10 wants to be national and in every region. It doesn't have footprint in the Southeast. The logical state and teams is Miami and FSU to the B10. The B10 gets its footprint in the Southeast in the largest state with national CFB brands! Which means more money to the B10 than the SEC.
@@jakenunya1587 I live here in Florida as Cane fan! When it comes to business, it makes more business sense for the B10 tv partners to pay more for a region and state, the B10 isn't in now. A state with the 3rd largest population with multiple top 20 tv markets across his state. There are 23 million people here. It will be past 25 million in 7 years and near or past 30 million in 10 to 12 years. ESPN/ABC/Disney is losing money and they have cut alot of people and things to say money. Why should they pay more to the SEC for Miami and FSU when they are already in the state of Florida. That doesn't apply to B10 tv partners. Oh by the way! I'm a Chicago/suburban native before moving to Florida. When I moved to Tampa Bay over 20 years ago, Illinois was around 10 million people and Florida 12 million. Florida population has doubled Illinois. People believe the population is mostly Southern people. Nope! Alot of those people who have moved to Florida the last 20 plus years are from the Midwest and Northeast/East coast. That is B10 footprint. There are alot of B10 fans and alums living here in Florida not just SEC fans!
