Why the Brotherhood of Steel is Evil - Fallout 4 Lore 

They must be exterminated

AD VICTORIAM! SEMPER INVICTA! ANTI-COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA OPTIMUS PRIME WITH NUKES!

Ad victoriam bother

Um

Yes, but just one exception sir? Paladin Danse hates synths too, just because he is one doesn't mean that we have to get rid of him. He is with our cause!

EVILSITHLORD84 108th Regiment 5th battalion of the Congressional Army!

Ship*

EVILSITHLORD84 One of the funnest things to do in Fallout 4 is to go to either the prydwen or the institute, quicksave, and straight up murder everything in it. Fk the factions.

Hell yeah! Love me some mass murder! (Ah Hmm, [cough] in a video game of course!)

+Intergalactic Human Empire Same! My female character is my evil one so I'm starting to think of her like immortan joe, eventually will see herself as some sort of sadistic post apoc raider god, in my own headcannon. Alot of fallout 4 disappointed but I must say I'm loving the nuka world DLC! :D

I think he has too since the female character

@@darthcupcake3845 yes but if Bethesda took the time to code different dialogue then we wouldn't have this issue

Well the male sole survivor is a veteran but to be fair even if you previously served in the military you become a civilian when you leave service.

The army you fought for doesn't exist anymore...

And is probably also the general of the minutemen

In fallout 2 actually

That's not the best idea, specially when we already have the cars of fallout 4 hardest enemy in the game

Yeah, they can do that in fallout tactics which is a spinoff which canon is disputed but mentioned in canon fallout series, apparently the deathclaws in tactics are all sentient like in fallout 2, depending on player choices the sentient deathclaws can join the midwest BOS

@@clover-bell I have doomsday armor mod and I still die sometimes

@Squashed Dragon That my friend just makes it even cooler

He destroyed The Institute. Making him a Sentinel was my honor.

Elder Maxson Sir I had sex with a ghoul

@@kevray Was it protected sex or was it raw?

Elder Maxson It was protected but I think I still got a STD.

@@kevray I don't care about what you do or what you do it with. Bring this issue to Captain Kells and then have him report to me to discuss.

There were no civilians on Prydwen. Only religious militant nutjobs.

​@Ryan No, they're a part of a military personnel.

@@freevertibirdrides7437 Aren't there children on the Prydwen?

@@freevertibirdrides7437 You fuckin psycho.

Triggered Warcuck dude, you can join a military organization in the wastland or end up in a fleshbag in a supermutant camp. These are the options you got in the wastland. But im sure, those evil 10 year olds who dont want to be eaten or slaughtered are the real problem whats wrong with the wastland. Not the peace loving supermutants or ghouls. Fuck BOS with theyr gay ass democracy, i go for the slave holding institute who where so good people and created the gift which are the supermutants in the commonwealth. Orr better, my communistic minuteman dictatorship.

We need those numbers

@@kapich-3 yo same 😂😂

I did the math and to cover all the walls you’d need to place down 144 turrets.

no wonder his fps was like a letsgameitout video

With the minutemen, everybody is a soldier in my army, and they’re thankful for it.

I agree wholeheartedly

while danse is very well written I think Nick has him beat, now granted nick has like a third of a DLC thats based on his relationship with DiMA, but Danse is second best.

I don't agree with that idea, a synth cannot be an elder, much less "you", not can become an elder with the help of the synth danse, taking command by force, that is a betrayal of the brotherhood of steel, The people who like this mod are the ones who like to do the yes-man ending in falloutNV, they believe they have moral superiority by taking power, they think that their decisions are the fairest, the most correct when in reality you are just another megalomaniac who can be even worse than maxson. In this case, in fallout4, such a scenario will be a victory for the institute, which cannot be if you are a true member of the BOS.

Agreed

@@NecroK47no it’s not, it’s literally in the BOS code that you can challenge the Elder to a trial by combat for the title

Fisto? That must be painful.

Don’t remind me of that quest

Blondie Boy My boy fisto ;)

Please assume the position

Musk Butt “Well... I guess I should test you out before I bring you to Mr. Garret.” (screen fades to black)

You can get the biggest shiniest gun by killing Elder Maxson. And if you side with the Institute, you can also get his Power Armor. Aaand as if that wasn't enough you can get a full set of X-01 Power Armor once you reach level 30-ish. All you have to do is kill a Sentry Bot and an Assaultron at 35 Court. You don't need to be allied to any faction. You don't need to pick any locks. You don't need to complete any quests. Just go there and grab it.

BoS fanboy: But... but... muh dangerous technology! and Ad Wacktoriam!

get those and then kill them,that way you'll get more

@ The Xo1 has nothing to do with what he's talking about

Lol that is literally the Brotherhood of Steel's response to this video.

The Subversion mod let's you achieve a peaceful ending for all Factions with only a few morally questionable calls.

I get what you mean. I like the Minutemen as a faction but I felt like destroying the Institute was kind of short sighted. Yes, they're a fine example of the evils of Intellectual pursuits without guiding morals, but turning the place into a smoking crater was such a waste. Better to storm the place in force, take out the corrupt leadership, put an end to the Synth infiltration and subversion and control schemes, and turn the scientific resources to doing some genuine good. It gets iced over, but imagine if the FEV labs in the Institute got restarted and the serum that cured Virgil was able to be mass produced? Boom, no more Super Mutant gangs. That's a BIG win for the Commonwealth and beyond, right there. Then there's the Institutes research labs on Robotics, and Teleportation, and a whole host of other things that could make life not just tolerable, but enjoyable for the people on the surface. The Minutemen shouldn't have blown the place to smithereens, they should have captured it and repurposed it to a cause that wasn't something out the pages of comic-book super villainy.

There’s actually a cut ending where Danse replaces Maxson iirc

​@@holmanthehorror6127 Yes, there's even a mod where the creators used the real in game files from the cut content.

i think the institute ending is fine how it is, I think it would cheapen the experience if you could wave a wand and free all the synths and turn the above ground into a utopia. i think if those sorts of decisions were made it'd have to be over years or it would risk a coup. However "the danse dilemma" mod/cut content where you challenge maxon for leadership is awesome. every game I do I put dance in charge of the brotherhood as its stated in the cut content that some soldiers still trust danse so that means the brotherhood isn't beyond saving.

He said the "destruction of the atom bomb", not the atom bomb. Look all around you, the destroyed Commonwealth, the destroyed Capital Wasteland, that is what he is referring to.

​@@Edax_Royeauxyeah and at the finale of the main story you relive that destruction in miniature as you escort a tool of nuclear war to annihilate your enemies War never changes, after all...

@@amiablereaper May as well not make allusions to the atomic bomb if you have to say "destruction in miniature".

@@amiablereaper I mean, the goal was blowing up the Institute. Not their fault that the Institute's reactor functioned as a nuke.

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Death to the storm cloaks

-Skyrim noises-

This comment gives me life.

DOWN WITH ULFRIC! THE KILLERRRR OF KINGS!

Underrated comment is underrated

Oh I get it lol

I bet the Vault dweller from 101 resisted this Stealing a fusion core from Rivet City I still prefer the side with Elder Lyons

it was such a lazy writing job from Bethesda, i can't believe i actually thought that choosing to lead a faction means you'll get more freedom to choose it's future, but no, it was just disappointing.

Of course I was

Super mutants? Enclave ? Bos on Fo4 come to the commonwealth to erradicate a menace,with it the institute

Organization change based on leadership. Some called Lyons faction as pathetic for trying to save the people of the capital. Elijah is another example of a “leader” who is certainly incapable of using his powers for altruistic purposes.

I don’t understand how you can like the Mojave chapter morally and not the East Coast in Fo4, Mojave is arguably more evil.

Well in fallout 3 the brotherhood is separated from the original idea of the west coast BOS the he outcasts are more of the ideology of maxson

And that's what the Brotherhood are. Essentially a nicer version of the Enclave.

The Synth is dangerous. One of the most chilling lines I heard was when in the Institute, the brag the synth is capable of not needing sleep, being immune to radiation, never tiring and capable of reproducing. In almost every way, they are superior to humanity in the post-apolophyse and fully capable of supplanting humanity if given the chance.

@@Edax_Royeaux I don’t disagree with the idea that Synths are more ‘advanced’ than humans, but just because something is stronger than you does not justify its destruction. The Brotherhood should seek to understand Synths, and prevent their mass production by the Institute, but I just can’t see most Brotherhood chapters seeing murdering a person simply because they exist as justifiable/what Rodger Maxon would’ve wanted.

@@bigj1905 It goes beyond stopping mass production. If synths can have biological babies that are completely superior to humans in the post-apolophyse in every way, they still hold the means to supplant humanity. Humans can't compete with synths who are immune to radiation, never tire and don't need sleep. In a survival of the fittest scenario, it does indeed justify destroying those that are stronger than you to save yourselves, or in this case, humanity itself. We would do the same to sentient AI Terminators or some deadly contagion whom had the means to wipe out humanity.

Then why did he kill paladin danse

I agree, synths are more than just the question of what is sentience and what is life. Letting feelings of liking valentine and danse or even curie is the exception to the rule and a side issue to the real problem, these “people” are being maliciously created to replace humans, and everything we recognize as human traits are manufactured so they can blend into society more effectively. They often kill the real human they’re meant to replace, that’s not an act of free will no matter how deeply that machine believes itself to be independent and sentient. Synths we’re placed in places of power all over the commonwealth for means of control and manipulation , we will never know if a choice made by that robot will have diverged ever so slightly from what the real person would have done in favor of what the institute wants. Worse, we will never know if or when that robot will go murder mode, or deep another real human should be replaced and send that intel to the institute, meaning someone innocent gets murdered. Does it really matter if they don’t know it’s happening? Does it really matter if they were programmed to think they have genuine feelings about things when real people die by virtue of tolerating their existence and trusting that this one is a “good one”? Yeah valentine is a cool guy, and danse was too, the exception proves the rule and who knows what intel was unknowingly leaked by danse, resulting in recon teams getting ambushed, or worse still an assasination protocol is activated, entirely against what he believes his free will would want, and he kills maxon, perhaps so that a synth replacement can move in or maybe just to disrupt the chain of command.

Well, Frank Horrigan is your answer.

@Tyler Lane You have been critically hit for 700 Health Points

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This needs to be in the next game

@Tyler Lane now I remember dying 99 time to frank

ZoomerX24 Yeah, the Enclave are the only faction who could set things right. But they never get the chance.

The enclave were worst than the BoS. Enclave planned to kill ALL mutated or radiated life(that also means ghouls too), innocent or not, by spreading Modified FEV in the water supply and spreading it through the air. BoS strongly believes to not kill innocents. They only kill Mutants and ghouls if hostile.

@@Tom_Crews enclave wanted to kill all life outside oil rig. Including all humans. Fallout 2 lore.

“The Enclave is working tirelessly to rebuild America as it was... as it was meant to be.” -John Henry Eden

Robert Smalls The enclaves original plan right after the war was to go to a different planet using the spaceship on the oil rig. Their plan was to leave America behind and let themselves survive. But their spaceship malfunctioned(or some shit like that) and failed to launch.

I mean if he became friends with the Iron giant, there should have been a speech check making him realize he was best friends with an android

True, there might be some hypocrisy about it, but the thing is, if it's not in their control, they destroy it. Like a typical D.C. official. Ironic, right? Based in the Capital Wasteland, former Washington DC, and they behave exactly like the government before them.

If you kill him, you can find a synth component on him

@@aetherthewendigo5149 Hes essential so you cant

Maybe try a mod

There’s dialogue after you bring him the network scanner. He finds out that he’s a synth

If theres a wall and you tried to talk to a NPC sometimes the camera goes through the person mistakenly showing whats inside of them. This is the time Ive found out that sturges was a synth 😂

Well maybe you should have not have killed paladin in cold blood and going back on your daughter

Your mother is a civilian, boom roasted

@@LB-hr9vu Wasn't the paladin, was merely a replacement.

@@employee962 Yours is a synth.

@@eldermaxson2527 wanna fight, Techno-Fetishist

I'd love a mod that'll allow the Railroad to decapitate the BoS in one fell swoop and allow someone else take over, or ignite a civil war within the Brotherhood

@@Sierra-208 I would love it to be a full on civil war after you talk Danse to take a stand against Maxson through the trial by combat and take his title. So we would have pro - Maxson traditionalists and pro - Danse progressivists. We already know about scribe Haylen who is more open minded, also the poor PTSDed lad who tried to feed ferals so they don't run amok

If a metal detector could identify a synth, there wouldn't be much of a problem.

​@@GeraltofRivia22 The point was that Maxon is cybernetic and so would trigger a metal detector, and the technophobia displayed by the average brotherhood member could be exploited through that.

yeah i've always wondered why they cant just scan people to see if they are synths or not just put them in an xray machine and if you see something that isn't supposed to be there, boom synth

He probably doesn't put the cao back on the toothpaste

XD

Great counter-argument buddy

Lol

No a synspoizer

Xohorn: No.

Xo?

So many turrets

@@robodadinosaur5138 Xohorn*

@@anonymousxaela761 Shoehorn*

Yeah, Danse would make such a better elder than Maxson (doesn’t take much)

Profane Historian if you're going to have npcs that players are going to kill, why add a moral dilemma?

Actually that is explained in Fallout 3. You know, why Super Mutants aren't very smart on the east cost compared to the west. Also New Vegas also has lore as to why the Super Mutants on the West Coast are also become stupid and violent. That game was made by people who worked on the original games. So it's not Bethesda that has most Super Mutants are violent low IQ characters it's actually proper lore. The smarter Super Mutants are the rarity not the rule. The first Gen Super Mutants where created by the Master (from the first game) no one else knew how to make them that way and the Master died in those pre-Bethesda games. All other Super Mutants are either made by other Super Mutants who just give the FEV virus to people or by the Institute scientist who clearly don't do much better minus Virgil who actually did it to himself.

Being explained =/= good storytelling. It's a retcon, and it's an easy way for Bethesda to throw in fodder for their shooters. West Coast mutants aren't stupid and violent-- A few are, but that's based more on an individual basis. Even the dumber ones aren't always antagonistic. Look at Jacobstown. There are some other gens of Super Mutants there that aren't hostile. Bethesda wanted orcs. They wanted monstrous enemies that the player character could kill without feeling any shame for it. Just because they threw together a sloppy retcon, doesn't make it excusable. I'm well aware that Bethesda cobbled together a reason for it. I just think it's a shit excuse.

Yet again Bethesda did not explain why newer West Coast Super Mutants are dumber. That was done by Obsidian who is made up largely of the people who worked on the older games (Fallout 1, 2, tactics). The Smart as people super mutants on the west coast where all made by the Master. Only the master knew how to use the FEV virus without messing up their intellect. So ounce the Master died no one else could make smart ones minus the rare one that was that way by accident. On the West Coast much like on the East Coast after the Master died Super Mutants themselves tried to make more but didn't know how to do it like the Master. You're to focused on Jacobstown there where Super Mutants in New Vegas that where not at Jacobston. These where made up mostly of the newer Super Mutants who where dumber like the ones on the East Coast. The ones in Jacobstown where all older ones that the Master had made and where therefore still smart.

And others might I add. Virgil also did it to other people. Which is why he deserves to be killed by the BOS in my book. Even if he recognises the evil behind it, he still committed those atrocities. It's poetic justice that he be left alone in isolation as a super mutant if you ask me.

And yet that is all it took to get declared Elder. Geez, the Lone Wanderer should be High Elder at this point.

And this is where Bethesda's games totally bite as true RPG's. There comes a point where the character should be progressing from fetch & kill quests to true leadership and decision making effecting others. In FO4, you can become "General of the Minutemen". Except for the assault on the Institute, you don't order or lead the Minutemen doing diddly. You get rescue and kill missions just like you did to prove you were worthy of joining the Minutemen. You are a general in name only. Keep in mind that per BOS tradition (and game canon), someone can CHALLENGE the "Elder" to become the new one. Why didn't Beth build this in the game? HMMMmmm? Because if we could, I had a character that would do exactly that, to make the BOS the "defenders of humanity" by protecting and promoting the civilians while pursuing their tech hegemony... and gradually reducing the religious purity definition of humanity to include ghouls and synths, and Super Mutants that agree to live peacefully with everyone else.. But you can't go off Bethesda's script. I could rant for days (or at least paragraphs) on how poor the ROLE PLAYING aspects of Bethesda games really are. My dovhakiin should be High King of Skyrim or the bloody freaking Emperor of Tamriel by now...

Mike Leahy are you stupid? these are all different characters, not one lone wanderer through out every series, jesus christ

Scott Seaman No need to be rude about it

yea im an ass hole i dont mean it, would explain why my girlfriend left me and took my son last month 😔 i really dont mean it

The sad thing is that the BOS under Maxon becomes something like a second Institute. "I will do what I must"

Ah, the irony of saying only a Sith deals in absolutes.

@@jessegitchell8114 Not so much a second Institute as a second Enclave.

Missed a trick by not saying "Only a synth deals in absolutes".

He's the type to keep his neighbors alive cause "the real Jimmy is in there I just know it"

See that’s the interesting part? They don’t.

"I never mentioned the Nazis in this video" " Instead I pointed out how similar the BoS’ view of the “perfect human specimen” is to the idea of the “perfect Aryan race”" That is mentioning the Nazis. Yes, some other's believed in the "master race" but the concept in and of itself is NOT "evil". It is only "evil" *because* of its association with Nazism and their genocides. You know that is exactly what you did. *::Edit::* to address everything you wrote: The term "Aryan Race" originated as a completely benign classification for people of a certain ancestry. But you don't use it as such - you use it in the way that the Nazism believed and popularized it to be. Thinking that exceptionalism or inherent "betterness" - "paves the way for all sorts of atrocities" is a horrible slippery slope fallacy. Objectively - some races in Fallout 4 *are* better, they *are* exceptional. Super Mutants are strong - but profoundly stupid. Ghouls are ugly - but near immortal. Synths can have tremendous strength, intelligence, but they are bound and controlled by the institute in the end. Recognizing that some races are superior in some way does then not entail that you wish for atrocities - it is simply recognizing reality (well, "reality" of the game world). "We learn this with human history" - we learn what happens when it gets out of control. But we don't then shun reality simply because some people did things we think are horrible. We should always try to be rational and accept reality. We don't shrug off any and all concepts of equality because communists murdered hundreds of millions, we don't stop recognizing the reality of race simply because people committed genocide based on race. That is essential "purity spiraling" for the people that are moderates. "which is evil" - which, of course, is completely subjective. Also many people did address your points without getting caught up on Godwin's law.

Ouch... but I'd already come to pretty much the same conclusion regarding the BoS. Saying that, my first play through I was overmuch eager to join up with the BoS and mostly because of my time in New Vegas and Fallout 3. BoS originated from the Armed forces and both my character (and myself) being prior service I (we) thought, "how fun. This is basically the Army of the future so... why not?" Why not indeed. Following about with Paladin Danse, then him following me, I listened to what he had to say and his reactions to my interactions with others. Yeah yeah, I'm one of those that tends to play 'the good guy...' but only the first few times through. Its difficult, even in a game, for me to be a cruel pr**t, but once I learn whats going on, I can manage it and even come up with a logical reason (to me) as to why I'm serving the greater good. I got along well with most of the brotherhood, though Proctor Teagan's mission for me to 'procure harvests from the locals by any means necessary' put me right off. Who did this pretentious ape think he was? While I got along well with Haylen (and **SPOILER** really hated having to kill her later on - oh well, make a synth and thanks for covering that mod), she was one of the few. As I began talking with the others aboard the Prydwyn and bringing some of companions along, I began to see what they were about. By this time I had already found the Railroad (was my first time through and I kept myself free of spoilers... easy enough, no one else knew when I played through either) and had Deacon, Curie (don't judge.. so I married a synth :P french accent :P ), and Valentine with me often. I pay attention to my companions as they will often give clues worth noting. I began to realize that this new incarnation of the BoS wasn't something I wanted to saddle myself to for the long term. Then, you guessed it, Blind Betrayal. I had fairly high charisma rating (I always do in these games) and so managed to spare his life. I was so upset about it that I never returned to the Prydwyn. Forget the Paladin Armour, who needs it? Time to break ranks and go Railroad 100%. While the Railroad has its own questionable methods, its a group who's grey I can live with. At least they aren't tech hoarding supremacists that look down an anyone that isn't BoS. Now, just like you I never mentioned Fascism or Nazi's. That's political and the BoS aren't in for the politics. Similar to the Institute, this faction thinks itself superior to the rest of humanity and that is just extreme evil and small mindedness. There are some great ghouls to hang out with, awesome synths, and even a few super mutants across the many games I enjoyed having as companions. You take help where you can find it and you'll learn and grow in the process. Thanks for an awesome episode and keep up the good work. I enjoy your perspective. Cheers. (and sorry for being so lengthy/wordy)

Its not even a "master race" ideology in my opinion. Its an overcoming ideology about the proper uses of technology without succumbing to the perils of technology. When Maxson is thought of as the perfect human specimen, he is the perfect human in a world where much of the people have to suffer and live through the perils of a new humanity in the Wasteland. These people have to suffer with the abominations known as synths, supermutants and ghouls brought about by the folly and foolishness of man's lack of restraint with using technology. Maxson is the exemplar of how to use technology in order to better one's state in the wasteland and secure his own life by eliminating the very threats that people have created and thus put one's own humanity into existential risk. In my playthroughs of the BoS, I did not think of them as putting forth a "master race" idea, as more of an "undoing the existential wrongs that we put ourselves in" idea. If it were a historical "superior race" narrative, we would expect to see this reasoning applied to people, not just entities brought about from scientific experimentation.

Oxhorn you are right

I disagree I think that the elder Maxon group of the brotherhood is bad.

I think your right!!

Yeah! I knew It!

Proof? His way of talking changed over his career. So, obviously, he is a synth

Yrp

the only way to prove it... is to kill him!

They don't even know Curie is a synth

@@mirelcostin7538 they do. At least I think so considering that Danse reacts negatively. Something along the lines of "donating yourself for science."

@@gabrielsanandres6165 never had the chance to get that dialogue

They do. They will make the same comment as they do with Nick.

"Got my arm!" *limps away on a wounded leg*

A suicide bomber super mutant goes off. The SS: gets turned into a pile of ashes Piper: My leg!!!

This made me fuckin die 😂😂😂😂 I am pro brotherhood but Danse needs to chill with that bullshit lmfao

And your point is?

Paladin Danse fucking god among men

Init

See valentines a mean lad u know wat I mean

I wish

What's so wrong with that? *Laughs in Enclave*

Utterly baseless statement.

Yeah... No they wouldnt. They don't like them but they dint kill them either.

The enclave are hard working soldiers scientists and politicians who try to rebuild America but are ultimately killed by some military deserters who call themselves the boS

Enclave officer God bless the Enclave, and nowhere else

Lizardcraftplayz mate your great

@@definitelyaperson6334 lol

Enclave brigadier general Glory to the Enclave!

pvtnum11 I know m8.

pvtnum11 let's be honest, the brotherhood killed Sarah.

Canaan Craft you have no evidence or proof 👎🏽

Logan Corney wait so you like selfish pricks who would kill for a toaster from pre-war? That's fucked up dude. Not to mention how the West BoS placed a slave collar around your neck and force you to do stuff just so you could talk to them

Logan Corney i think you're the evil type player in fallout series. BoS from Fallout New Vegas,1,2,4 sucked. I prefer to be the good guy rather than be a little bitch.

Meanwhile on the minutemen: *saves a settlement* CONGRATS YOUR THE GENERAL

@@potassiumdroid8390 This is where the phrase "Would you rather be the tail of a dragon or the head of a snake?" comes into effect kinda. Since you have almost no power at all since the beginning of being promoted to the leader of their organization lol. Plus the BOS are a bigger faction as they're not just in Commonwealth

@@potassiumdroid8390 To be fair, there were no minuitemen when the sole survivor becomes general. It's a brand new organization with the same name and astetic as the old one, sure... but it's believable that between you and Preston; Preston would want you to be in charge of the new iteration.

they shouldn't. You go from a Knight, a very low rank to Paladin, a very high rank. There are a LOT of Knight-Captains, like Kade or the one with the key to Teagan's cage thing. Yet the Sole Survivor, a measly Knight, ovtains the rank of Paladin just for eliminating a 'rogue' Paladin. It's so stupid With the destruction of the Institute, I understand why Maxson promotes you to sentinel, it was you that planted the charge on the reactor, it was you that entered the Institute and retrieve Madison Li, it was you that won the war, simply by following commands. A Brotherhood idol.

@@Mast3rKK there is a mod that fixes it to where you go through the ranks so by the time you reach paladin it says you are a knight captain it also gives you the paint for it

the difference in one is wearing a suit the other is wearing flesh

Benny Chairmen leader You’re a bit slow, aren’t you?

Google the word "intertwine"

LMAOOO

Lmao

They represent imperialism - thinly veiled with their excuse of 'saving humanity from itself'... They are not much different from the British indulging in happily giving every country without a proper flag one of theirs - while claiming that they just want to spread civilisation to the savages... So, while I really appreciate Ox's analysis and come to the same conclusion about the BOS - I don't thinke they actually represent Nazis. The kind of 'Ubermensch' thinking is quite a few centuries older. And it makes sense thematically - as we have a bit of a recreation of the War of Independence - where you, the hero, has to unify the common folk behind your banner, breaking free from the grip of pretty powerful forces.

​@@robertnett9793He never mentioned Nazis, only the idea of a "superior" race, which I would note the Imperial British believed in as well.

Fallout 2 had a vault full of sentient Deathclaws who got wiped out by Frank Horrigan of the Enclave. Also had an intelligent albino deathclaw companion.

@@AAJillSandwich One of them could be a companion?????

@@kaydawg12343 Yeah you can recruit a talking Deathclaw in Fallout 2 as a companion Could also get talking Deathclaw recruits in Fallout Tactics.

@@AAJillSandwich lol I never knew that. I can’t get past Dorian and his guards so I’m stuck. I’m a level 3 small weapons build

@@kaydawg12343 Mmmm you can find the deathclaws in vault 13, the Khans are at vault 15. When I fought the new khans I had power armor i think which meant they really couldn't do much. The BOS quest to steal the Vertabird plans will give access to there bunker which has power armor. You may need a decent amount of intelligence or speech to complete the quest peacefully. I always begun by investing in small guns,speech and lockpicking to 60% then slowly built up my science skill and lastly unarmed and energy weapons.

Synths are very useful.

Is that a heretic I see?

Ad Victoriam, brother!

Ad Victoriam!

Ad Victoriam fellow kids

I completely forgot that since Danse is a synth, the real one is gone.. I don't like that Paladin Danse anymore

I think the story indicates that Danse was a freed Synth - like the security chief in Rivet City in FO3. Mainly due to the fact, that Institute synths know that they are synths and ... well work for the Institute. As Danse doesn't do anything at all to give the Institute any advantage, and even actively thwarts their plans during the events of FO4 it's pretty unlikely that he was actively replaced while being in service of the BOS.

If I remember correctly the Danse that we met is a synth created out of thin air and either released in the wild or escaped the Institute somehow, this Danse never replaced the real Danse because there was never a real Danse in the first place. The only thing created about him his its body and its fisrt memories (father, mother, childhood,...), it's after meeting some members of the BoS that he decided to join them.

Which why I consider the brotherhood of steel to be the lesser of 2 evils, cuz if the institute can create synths that blend in any faction, No Faction is safe!

@@lprules619 Still evil. I have the decission between technocratic fascists who'd love nothing more than controlling the world with either Synth-overseers under THEIR control, or replace humanity with them... And a bunch of cosplaying imperialists, racist against any non-human and at least exploitatory towards anyone not in their faction. Nope! Fuck all those invaders! No Kings no Masters! For a Free Commonwealth!

Why would exceptions make the rule? In the world of Fallout, human and other sentients made by or stemming from humanity are ruled by tribalism and rife with conflicts. Conflict means you either band together using common denominators in order to survive the conflict or you perish. War/conflict does not determine who is right, only what worked better; the Brotherhood of Steel I'd wager works better and likely longer than every other available faction.

I feel like he meant it as "A human and a synth mustn't be in a romantic relationship" kinda deal. Which I kinda support. Espically if synths don't die because of age (sorry if I missrememember it). Because then you got a bunch of synths who want to love humans, but can't because humans have a lifespan while synths don't

@@balazscsotai8354 I believe is something more like what happened in the older fallout games (one of the Enclave guys was a kind of "computerized consciousness", he was dead but his mind was inside a computer system, like Zola in Captain America: Winter Soldier)

*Curie hated that*

"And when she has a minute, my extensive array of cybernetics that was used to keep me alive and is definitely unnatural and beyond our actual understanding and thus something that I advocate we take from others by force, needs to be recalibrated." Unironically Maxon is the most hypocritical trash in the game.

@@TheLikenessOfNormal "It's disgusting to sleep with a Synth" *Recruits so many people into beastiality he has to start screening for it*

House: robots

lOng AGo, tHe FOuR NatiOnS LivEd iN hArmoNy...

@@suwacc3237 Until the day the Enclave attacked.

And the Shawn disappeared without a trace.

Ironsides:boat

"protecting people from themselves" The most advanced factions in the east coast were the Enclave and The Institute. There weren't other faction more advanced than them.

@@tamiloxd7168 what's your point? Institute openly says they don't care about people on the surface anymore. They care only about their own lives.

Bring Nick on the ship when Maxon gives his speech when you first join. Would be really funny if Nick says this line exactly the moment Maxon talks about protecting the commonwealth's people.

@@howardlam6181exactly fathers main reason for you to stay with the institute is cause *you’ll* get a better life down there than anywhere else

@@howardlam6181 yeah he has the same excuse as father “WE’RE PROTECTING THEM FROM THEMSELVES” idiots.

There's no such thing as overkill in the wasteland.

There is no such thing as overkill, only open fire, and I need to reload.

Lionfire42 There should be a mod for fat man turrets.

You'll know when it's enough when the fps comes to a slow crawl when they open fire.

When it brings the game to a 5fps slideshow, its too much. A mod to buff turret damage would have the same effect and not demolish performance.

After the minutemen ending brotherhood soldiers will say “I don’t like the idea of the minutemen, having so much fire power.”

@@ComicinvestigatorYT I mean if you lived in a giant balloon you’d be pretty scared of anyone with artillery

I used the minutemen to take down the brotherhood just because I didn't like what they said to Nick or Hancock

Fuck u it smart at all

@@ComicinvestigatorYT which, as the faction with the biggest guns, is really quite funny

Can that actually happen?!

As long as two NPCs from differing factions are allied with each other, which the Minutemen and the Brotherhood are for the most part AND that NPC has a reaction to the death of an ally.

Even in FO3 they were scumbags thats what the brotherhood is about

play FO76 and side with paladin Ramadi

Cause the brotherhood in Fallout 3 is a splinter faction. The main goal of the brotherhood has always been to collect technology.

​@@waifu_kawaii__6366Said nobody that actually played F3

something changed in arthur maxson. sarah lyons was killed in battle and that apparantly changed him because he loved her? but then again why honor her memory by changing the brotherhood agaisnt her and her fathers ideals.

Gen 1 & 2 are unarguably toasters

​​@@LanMandragon1720asnt harkness a synth? Was he also a "toaster"?

@@s-dew Not a gen 1 or 2. Early gen 3.

This is where headcanon is great. Maxson became (as Elder Lyons feared) increasingly radical, especially after he helped bring in tbe Outcast/Enclave remnants, who clash with the more moderate BoS members. Then at some point Sarah or her father were killed/gravely injured during a botched Syth infiltration. The Eldar (whoever that ends up being) sizes this opportunity to part take in the old BoS favorite game of "sending popular problematic wildcards and there followers out on long distance expeditions, in the hope they die/mellow out".

Boi you just copied the top comment

Stormboxer boi you just copied the first reply

Wait a minute....

B. C. hmmm

LOL

Bravo!

Once they’ve taking care of one enemy they move on to the next one, if not make one up. Have an army, you’d want to use it.

Yeah and it scares me

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 Yup, that's how fascism works.

@An Angry Space Marine im cool with the brotherhood turning on Danse, I just wanted better evidence than 1 terminal entry.

@An Angry Space Marine it's more likely he's a railroad synth that got a mind wipe and new memories.

@Zach A Hes risked his own neck multiple times for the player, his team mates and Arthur. Yes he's a dick but so is everyone else in the 200+ year old wasteland. Its your actions that make the man you are and fhe fact they were able to turn on him so quickly in spite of everything just felt too rushed and unbelievable.

@An Angry Space Marine this actually makes more sense and gave me a different perspective. Maybe synths are unfeeling but just don't want to die so they emulate human emotions. I doubt Bethesda thought that far ahead but thats a good ass assessment.

@Zach A eh im just gonna agree to disagree

👌It is what it is 👌

Underrated comment

is it related to science?

Square is rectangle

FLOOR IS FLOOR!!

So you bailed because you didn’t have the speech skill to get the stuff peacefully

@@creed8712peaceful is stretching it

Looking at things long-term and from a material perspective rather than an ideological one, the Brotherhood is still the best faction for the Commonwealth by far. Even a best-case scenario for the Minutemen wouldn’t bring the Commonwealth anywhere close to the same level of development it could reach under the Brotherhood. The Brotherhood has the resources, expertise, industrial capacity, and more importantly the unity and the will to redevelop the Commonwealth. As likeable and idealistic as the Minutemen are, at a certain point you’ve got to realize that their most technically proficient member - Sturges - is essentially a jumped up Mechanic who barely knows what he’s doing and miraculously manages to just barely pull things off by the skin of his teeth. A bunch of illiterate farmers with pipe guns don’t compare to the industrial Behemoth that is the Brotherhood. Even if you hate the Brotherhood’s ideology you’ve got to realize that their ideology can always change and liberalize over time depending on their politics and their leaders - their concrete contributions to economic development are not, on the other hand, quite so malleable.

I don't understand why people like the faction too kind and good. when a faction in fallout shouldn't be like this, People see the pragmatic attitude of the brotherhood as a violation of morality, why? the brotherhood has done less damage than any other faction in the fallout franchise even less than the NCR and they are corrupt imperialist expansionists, but they are the good guys.

That’s why there were outcasts because Brotherhood in 3 actually care and the outcasts hated that

Yerlingwolf 2356 and his horrible placement

GoldElectric10 - it’s a fucking joke

MUST DEFEND

No, the problem is he needs bigger turrets!

@@caffeinatedgamer.4576 Preston: Another settlem... *NUKA NUKED* As I was saying...Another settlement needs your help. BTW for me for some reason this bloke is glitched... xD He keeps saying the "What you did was mass-murder" thing and doesn't snap out of it. I played Nuka-World but killed all of the Raiders there... Any way to fix this guy? Even Radio Freedom doesn't give Settlement alerts...

Unless he sees the BoS as the only way of getting his son back without realizing what the other factions are capable of.

Base on Sole Survivor's profile, he is a military man. I don't think he wants any of this community building stuff.

Maxson is doing this for show so everyone in the BoS know what the organization will do if a Synth is ever discovered in the rank. Furthermore, Maxson tested Sole Survivor's resolve by asking him to do the deed. Let's be frank, you have no problem unplugging your Alexa.

You can just exile him and not kill him

@@Civsuccess2 he’s a military man that is totally disenfranchised with the idea of war tho? that’s literally the whole point of the intro

Or make Maxson *an* Elder, and not *the* Eldar. With the rest of his merry men consisting mostly of the former Outcasts/Enclave he convinced to join/rejoin the BoS. And they were sent to the CW because: A) they were causing internal strife and potentially going to cause another schism and B) one/both the Lyons were injured/killed during a botched Synth infiltration, and it was decided something needed to done about the Institute. So they sent the "crazies" to deal with it in the hopes that they would die/mellow out.

And screwed up badly. Macreedy mentioned the wasteland became worse despite Wanderer and Lyon's effort putting BOS in a very advantageous position. Maxon's brotherhood doesn't care about stewardship or governance.

Lone Wanderer: You were a good boy, Arthur. It pains me that you grew into a shit man.

The LW needs to return and lay down the law

@@NewGuy2534 Arthur is not a shit man

@@NewGuy2534 either way, great name

Злой Волшебник says a guy who can’t spell machine

@@kybroisstillhere9532 Grammar nazi much?

Well its not the same because he says he's more human than robot. Totally different

Intertwined: twisted or twine together, a net made of cotton intertwined with other fabrics. A synth is a human intertwined with a machine. A dude in a power armor is a dude wearing a power armor

@@floydlechner2445 But did you know paladin danse is a synth?

You defined bigotry, and then said that you hated Super Mutants for existing, which is an example of bigotry.

@@miloknight585 super mutants attack any human on sight, besides strong during one of those missions

@@Snypezisurdaddy same could be said for a majority of raiders.

@@miloknight585 Super mutants decorate their entire bases from top to bottom using human viscera. They’ve kinda fuckin’ earn’t that hate.

DatJebus All I saw were idiots arguing over factions in a video lol. Besides, everyone knows that the institute is the future and also Nick Valentine is the best companion in the game.

Bruh lmfao true that

Say what you will about The Enclave but, at least They're funny.. And most importantly, honest about their intentions for The World. =/

David Μυρμιδόνες True the Brotherhood, NCR, Legion, Railroad, Your Momma WOULD if capable destroy the already destroyed World The Enclave are simply fucking honest about it which means they have integrity which is considered a good and noble human quality. Also MAYBE People are just well....JOKING about the Enclave being "Good Guys" or simply WANT to play as the Villains instead of being a Hero all the time? NAW nope no way they ALL have to be seriously deranged!

real talk, what does it mean to be "human" anymore?

Right same here

Magnolia surprised me

@@armahpruski5877 same

I think I had the exact same reaction you did. I was listening for him to say Valentine lol.

The paranoia felt very real when I learned Sturges is a synth.

Hey you’re not alone the minutemen are underrated, they don’t discriminate against synths or mutants and they just build houses and protect people from raiders, what’s not to love

@TheMidwest Express Preston Garvey spamming you with people to protect, while the grunts are partying in the Castle.

@@themidwestexpress708 the thing that is not to love is the constant from Preston Garvey just another settlement needs your help let me mark it on your map and there is another settlement that could use your help let me mark it on your map

I hate the minute men because Preston gets mad when I kill the Institute but wants me to murder the entire Institute.

When i tried in my 3rd playthrougg it broke and no matter how many quests I did (like 15 all together) I couldn't get the ending (I discovered the institute and the castle so I'm up to date) Edit: nvm I miscounted I did like 8 so I'm resuming from there

would you like being around a monster that can be your friend one day and the next rip you apart?

A human can do the same thing.

Ariana Bridges expect they could be the best person on the planet before ripping you apart

Nothing wrong with them.

I honestly never even remembered about Ulfric and Tullius, their whole civil war thing was boring to me.

But Liberty prime

@@matejkufa8652 already seen in action in fallout 3 so we don't need another one. lol

The moment I heard how he inspires his men I decided right then and there that I was just using the brotherhood for my own goals

@big stinky So....basically banging a relative, like a cousin, or sister? Not a good thing.

@@mitchwhite6826 no because the institute refined the dna to where it was just the parts of the dna that makes them human and not the sort of parts of it that effect bloodlines and that sort of thing if that makes any sense

@@mitchwhite6826 but Curie is no more related to the sole survivor than every other human is to each other, so it’s ok to clap her cheeks

Me, who's been banging Ms nAnY cUrIe: ._.'

@big stinky oh god now I have that image on my head

USA in a nutshell

The greater good

I love it! USA ftw

A nuke ruined the world, do you see the brotherhood doing that?

Greg Peek, the smart thing to do would to destroy the nuke because the Minutemen and the Railroad that are the both factions in the game would never continue using mini nukes in the Fallout 4 game after seeing how the nukes caused the end of the world.

Exactly what makes them perfect

I guess if you look at a brotherhood soldier and a storm trouper they kinda look similar

@@arthurromano6764 in what way (other than the red lasers)

@@tntyeeter3947 they’re both racist and fly giant ships

@@Engieman909 how are they racist if their hate is reasonably justified (you snowflake), and what’s wrong with ships?

ya yeet ya blood of human kindness

Huh, well ain't that sum up the human experience for yah

*m o l k*

find the milk yet?

GioTheVax it’s been like 6-7 years I think and I’ve never known the where synths

Exactly I was blown away when I watched this video for the first time a few months ago. I had ABSOLUTELY no clue that Sturges was a synth. I heard rumors of Magnolia but not Sturges

Wait, sturges is a synth???!?!

Yeah, sturges is a synth. Thing is, he's essential in normal gameplay, so without console commands (even if you try to kill him to find out) you never will discover this fact while playing.

@@emotionalpotion9834 wait, so how did people find out about it?

@An Angry Space Marine yep the brotherhood and enclave are the same thing

@An Angry Space Marine sometimes man, the bottom line can just be that they’re powerful and genocidal lol. To the people being genocided, doesn’t make much difference

That’s like saying imperialist Japan wasn’t bad because they killed less people then nazi Germany and that the emperor of Japan was apart of a vary old dynasty and the führer was a democratically elected leader and how nazi Germany wanted to kill all Jews,Slavs exsdera were imperialist Japan didn’t blatantly toss Chinese and Manchus in to extermination camps they did do many other war crimes. But then again this is a video game so why do I or iny body give a shit if the enclave kills everyone or if the BOS extorts and kills some of its subjects.

@@laztrig at least the NCR is a repetitive democracy with rights

@@arthurromano6764 it really isn't, you're reading into this way too far. I said it reminded me of the enclave not that they were the enclave or whatever you said