Why The Carnal Christian DEFEATS Calvinism 

It's quite simple, if you cannot earn it, you cannot lose it. It's a gift. Good sermon, God bless you.

The Lord has use this man mightily to teach me and make me more secure in my faith and to motivate and equip me to share it with others. My thanks to the Reverend Arnold for answering the call.

I would give anything if I lived near this church!!! Those of you that do and attend I hope you thank God for this preacher!!!! I’m going to take this sermon and have my two daughters that are 20 and 16 set down with their boyfriends that they have been courting for years, both of them and listen to this message. Their father and I have been married for 21 years and we are Christians and we take them to church and do our best to live it in front of them everyday of the week, but we are not perfect. They need to understand the truths in this message. My daughters are saved and the oldest ones boyfriend is saved and attends church as well, but the younger ones boyfriend has a knowledge of God and has been to church on occasion but it worries my daughter that he may not know the Lord as Savior. So I believe this is a good sermon for the young people to hear because I wish someone would had made me hear it when I was young as them!!! I ask for anyone who can please pray that these young men seek after the Lord Jesus Christ and truly know Him as their own personal Savior. God bless all❤️🙏❤️

Great Sermon, Dr. Arnold knows Calvinism more than some dudes believe, this is why you're still a Calvinist and he is not.

Calvinism causes people to give up, which sounds like a falling away in these last days.

Yankee Arnold is da' man!!!!!! I wished i lived in the Tampa area.

God bless you brother Ralph,you brought joy back into my life.GOD BLKESS YOU.

I believe im saved because God who can not lie told me if I believed on Jesus I would be saved. My flesh struggles with the lies of satan who sometimes tells me im not a Child of God...anyone else struggle with this?

Awesome message as always. Pastor Arnold inspires me to live for the Lord; not to be saved but because I am saved. So glad I found this preacher.

How is "grace and peace multiplied" to the believer? Through the "knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord." Peace comes through assurance, and assurance comes through knowledge of the truth. If we are lacking knowledge due to neglecting the study of the Word of God, we can lose our understanding of the truth, and therefore our peace that comes through assurance. When we lose assurance, we can begin to live "carnal" because we have forgotten we were "purged" from our sins. 2 Peter 1:2 - Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the *knowledge* of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 2 Peter 1:9 - But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was *purged* from his old sins.

Thank you, Pastor Arnold, for explaining the Bible so easy to understand.

So many churches are teaching this! Thank you dearest Yankee❣️

Great video with such an important message for ALL to hear !!!

It is great to know that a carnal Christian is victorious over something that is evil and destructive.

This is a very clear and succinct message. Well articulated. Thank you brother Ralph yankee Arnold.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is Life and Peace. Because the carnal is enmity against GOD: for is not subject to the Law of GOD, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:6-7.

Amen this was such a great sermon. Thank you so much for this and may the Lord bless you and your family pastor.

Amen, Dr. Yankee!

Thank God for grace, great message.

Thank you for this message. Very convicting.

To me it's a blessing in itself to do God's will ❤❤❤ The peace I get for walking in the Spirit is priceless ✝️✝️✝️ It's making me want more & more each day. Thank you so much Pastor Arnold. 🙏🙏🙏

Thank you for the clear message. God bless.

Great perspective on this thanks!

God bless you , Pastor.

Ephesians 4:30 KJV And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God where by ye are SEALED unto the day of redemption no one can break this SEAL but God Himself Not even You and God has promised not to Eternal life received the moment you truly receive Christ is a gift Not a reward for persevering to the end Calvinism and Arminism are both wrong if a child of God could not or would not be disobedient the Bible would not even mention chasetisement and loss of rewards because there would be no reason to those people would just be lost forever once they committed the first sin after being saved or they would have to be saved again or they weren't saved in the first place so why does the Bible mention carnal Christians or babes in Christ if it were not possible read and study Gods Word for the truth to be revealed in your hearts Pastor Arnold is absolutely right and is preaching the Bible Truth

God will never give you more than you can handle, but the devil will .. This is why it's so important to strive to walk with God!

I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for leading me to the teachings of Ps. Ralph 'Yankee' Arnold. 🇺🇲❤✝️🇺🇲🙏✝️🇺🇲⚓✝️

Is their anything that can separate us from the love of God?

May this be not a subconscious invitation for the righteous ones to try to live a carnal life or somewhere near, may we all focus instead on what we are called, to be holy! Just to be sure when things are getting confusing, go back to the 2 most important commandments!

Is there a church in PR preaching this gospel in spanish?

A lot of people say calvanism and Lordship salvation are the same things and they are not. Yes, both are doctrines contrary to The Gospel but each false doctrine has its own way of twisting Scripture. Calvinists tend to use 1 John (a book written to already *SAVED BELIEVERS)* as a way to make sure a person is "really saved". Lordship salvationists use Romans 10:9 to prove their laughable "point". Here is what Romans 10:9 says, _That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved._ A pastor at a local church said that Romans 10:9 says we are to make Jesus Lord of our lives. He literally took _"That if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus"_ and said that confessing Jesus is Lord is making Him Lord over your life. That Scripture doesn't say that nor imply it! It's quite obvious that when someone confesses _"The Lord Jesus"_ they are agreeing that Jesus *IS* Lord. Jesus told the people in John 8:24, _I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins._ In other words, Jesus was saying if the people did not believe that Jesus was The Son of God whom also _IS_ God then they would die in their sins. Jesus did *NOT* say, "for if ye do not make Me Lord over your life", but He said, "for if ye *BELIEVE NOT* that *I AM HE".* (emphasis mine). Jesus may have been talking about being The Son of God here but Jesus also did say He and the Father are One (John 10:30). This parallels perfectly with Romans 10:9 that says _"that if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus"_ because any person who believes The Gospel confesses (agrees) that Jesus *IS* Lord (God). The greek word for "confess" is "homologeo" which means _"to say the same thing as someone else"_ or _"to agree with someone else"._ Confessing goes hand in hand with believing in the heart. You can't do one without the other because they go together. If someone truly believes The Gospel then they will agree Jesus is Lord! It has nothing to do with *MAKING* Jesus Lord because *HE IS LORD.* It's a matter of believing whether or not He *IS* Lord. So, although calvinism and lordship salvation may have some similarities, they do differ. They are the same in that both false doctrines teach Jesus' blood wasn't enough.

First of I would like to say I love ALL you calvinists out there and not just some of you but ALL of you, as well as every one else out there in the world. I can only truly love anyone by the love and strength GIVEN through Jesus Christ and the example that Jesus Christ has given ALL mankind. Peace be unto you ALL Israelite born or not and other words who are Jews or a Jew inwardly, everyone else. All Glory and thanks and love and power be to the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ. • (Hosea 4:6 K.J.V My people are DESTROYED for lack of knowledge: because thou hast 👉REJECTED knowledge👈, 👉I will also reject thee👈, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing THOU hast FORGOTTEN the law of thy God, I WILL also FORGET thy children. • Hosea 4:6) • (Isaiah 28:9-11 K.J.V Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. • For 👉PRECEPT MUST👈 be upon PRECEPT, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: • For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. • Isaiah 28:9-11) There are many Holy Scriptures that disproves all 5 points of Calvinism called t.u.i.p. I'm going to be showing with the Holy Scriptures how the (“t”) and the (“i”) in t.u.l.i.p are 100% FALSE teaching by the Holy Scriptures. First what is total inability or total depravity, as well as irresistible Grace theses are the (“t”) and the Im (“i”) in t.u.i.l.p. T = TOTAL INABILITY a.k.a T = Total Depravity - Is the Calvinism teaching that ALL MANKIND are dead and 100% cannot do anything nothing at ALL, because ALL & EVERYONE has a heart of stone when born because of God caused Eve & Adam to sin. This is according to calvinism. Total inability a.k.a total depravity is 100% false teaching according to the Holy scriptures. Oh all Calvinists use (Ezekiel 36:26 K.J.V) as a proof text). Keep this verse in mind. L = LIMITED ATONEMENT- Is a Calvinism teaching that Christ died only for ALL the elect, Christ didn't die for ALL the non-elect, so ALL the non-elect remain Total depravity and 100% cannot do anything nothing at ALL because they have a heart of stone. Limited atonement is 100% false teaching according to the Holy scriptures. So now the Holy Scriptures: • (Hebrews 2:9 K.J.V • But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should TASTE death for EVERY MAN. • Hebrews 2:9) It’s appoint for all mankind to die once. • (Hebrews 9:27-28 K.J.V And as it is 👉APPOINTED unto men ONCE to DIE👈, but after this the judgment: • So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the SECOND time WITHOUT sin unto SALVATION. • Hebrews 9:27-28) So total depravity and limited atonement together you have ALL the elect who had a heart of stone and now has a heart of flesh, ALL the non-elect has a heart of STONE and are dead and 100% cannot do anything nothing at ALL. So total depravity & limited atonement are 100% false for the simple fact that (Romans 14:12 K.J.V) is in the Holy Scriptures as well as others. • (Romans 14:12 K.J.V So then 👉EVERY ONE👈 of us shall GIVE ACCOUNT of himself to God. • Romans 14:12) Here is how total depravity & limited atonement are 100% false for the simple fact that (Romans 14:12 K.J.V): Question calvinists: How is the non-elect going to GIVE ACCOUNT of himself to God. If ALL the non-elect have a (heart of stone) and 100% cannot do anything they have a heart of stone remember. So the teaching of total depravity and limited atonement makes (Romans 14:12 K.J.V) a 100% lie according to the Calvinism teachings because NOT EVERY ONE will give an account of himself to God if ALL the non-elect Have a heart of stone and 100% can't do anything nothing at ALL, is making God and God's word a lie. • (Romans 14:12 K.J.V So then 👉EVERY ONE👈 of us shall GIVE ACCOUNT of himself to God. • Romans 14:12) Lets look at another verses (Revelation 22:12 K.J.V). • Revelation 22:12 K.J.V • And, behold, I come quickly; and my REWARD is with me, to give EVERY MAN according as his work shall be. • Revelation 22:12 So if ALL the non-elect are have a heart of stone and are dead and 100% cannot do anything nothing at ALL, then how are ALL the non-elect And 100% cannot give an account of themselves to God how can God reward them according to their work, if God cannot reward them according to there work then (Revelation 22:12 K.J.V) it says EVERY MAN is a lie according to calvinism, in doinf so making God and God's word a lie. So calvinist's is God a liar and God's word a lie OR is Calvinism a lie and false teaching? (I Rich J Rio) Do hereby testify God to be Infinity times infinity percent true as well God’s word. • Romans 3:4 K.J.V God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. • Romans 3:4 As for calvinism and the calvinism teachings (I Rich J Rio) Do hereby testify Calvinism defined as t.u.l.i.p as the teachings of Calvinism to be Infinity times infinity percent wrong and false teaching according to God and God's word. • Isaiah 8:20 K.J.V To the law and to the testimony: if they speak NOT ACCORDING to this word, it is because there is no light in them. • Isaiah 8:20

Amen Ralph Yankee

salvation is not a reward when you die for you being good , its a totally free gift when you beleve for lost sinners , christianity is not feeling saved its knowing your saved , calvanists and arminians are the ones living in the flesh they are trying to improve their flesh when GOD hates their flesh sin is in the flesh it is a dna problem

What happens when our Father in heaven chastises disobedience believers in Christ by making them sick but they live an active lifestyle regularly?

How do we as believers in Christ walk with our Lord Jesus Christ?

I love that wallet demonstration!

so as long as we are trying failing as it may be, God sees that we are trying and still helps us along and loves us? what about being cut from the vine?

Interesting note, I Cor. 3:16-17 the word for body never appears. also the "you" used there is a plural you in the Greek. So the Spirit is actually saying that you all are the temple of God. (The focus is on the believers as a group not the individuals per se. Each believer is included but the corporate nature is in focus here.) In chapter 6:15 Paul does refer to the individual and the body as being the temple of the Holy Spirit, but that is not the focus in 3:16-17. Paul is challenging them that they as a community are the temple of God. We Western Christians are so quick to take everything to a personal level that we often miss apply everything that is written about the church as a body. Yes the body is made up of individuals, but the focus here is on the totality of the body of believers. I am saddened that he is not more careful with the text...

Brilliant

Amen

1 Cor 3 does not refute the sanctification of believers, especially since the direct object of Paul's words relate to the specific division in the church relating to Paul's versus Apollos' teachings. There is nothing in this passage relating to the Corinthians not persevering in the faith or living like a lost man.

If indeed mankind is ever found guilty of committing at least one betrayal, then there must exist a means to remedy that betrayal, and no part of that remedy can come from the betrayer, or anyone else who has betrayed. This is were only a true Savior can mend what was broken. And that "savior" must be impartial and not be concocted by humanity. A Savior who is not in the least impressed by piety, for even that is but self deception and arrogance. So what would a true Savior have left to choose from? No one, and yet there are the unworthy few who become chosen of the Savior and ransomed (but only at a great cost of the Savior). So you see, none of it has to do with the one who is unworthy, but the one who is worthy

Sorry, but I line up more so with the Armenian teaching, but I have never believed that it can be lost (as you suggest as the main difference).

Is calvinism damnable?

I have never read any commentaries/books authored by Reformed theologians where they hold to the notion that perseverance of the saints means the regenerated can live as they like and still make heaven. Reformation "perseverance" means fighting the good fight of faith. One key indicator of a persevering faith is "...not contenting ourselves with a general repentance but repenting of our particular sins, particularly (W.C.F. Chapter 14)." That means following the directive the Apostle John gives the Church in 1 John 1:6-10 i.e. to acknowledge our sinfulness to God, i.e to confess it out of a desire to overcome it and by implication, to forsake it. There is no perfection this side of glory for the born again believer; but it is required of us to strive to obey the moral commandments of God out of obedience to Christ cf. Deut. 6:5 ; Lev. 19:18b ; Mark 12:28-34 -- all of which are grounded in love for the Saviour and our fellow man cf. John 13:34,35 ; John 14:15,21,23 ; John 15:10,12,14,17 ; 1 John 3:3 ,14; 18-24 ; 1 John 4:12,20 ; 1 John 5:1-3 The imposter "professors" who claim an inheritance in Christ are those who believe in their mind, the gospel truth -- but not from their hearts. They cannot persevere in the perspective of love because they are selfishly motivated, having never been regenerated, saved and justified. Christ will condemn them at the judgment because they worked iniquity (see Matt. 7:21-23) i.e. they were never convicted of sin by the grieving of the Holy Spirit and that because they never experienced His indwelling. Had they been regenerated sons and daughters of the Almighty, they would have undergone the chastening that God promises will occur -- a chastening that produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness as per Heb. 12:11. This summary is, in essence. the Reform doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints.

what if your born again and not growing or hearing from God? but you received the spirit?

What about reprobates? If a person lives in a carnal state long enough, God says he will reject them and give them over to their own minds. Am I understanding this correctly? Jeremiah 6:30 says "Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them." Romans 1:28 says "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" Titus 1:16 says "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

agreed. Romans 8 teaches us that we must be after the things of the Spirit. ,"for to be carnally minded is death"...," For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die. Romans 8: 6,13. an early death perhaps for the disobedient? acts 5:5, 9&10. God is long suffering, amen how long? do we want to find out? If you know a professing Christian and they are living like and wallowing in the world and you don't warn them: you are just as guilty as they are. some preachers have free Masons in their assembly and are too cowardly to warn them or any other church members that should be warned. it's our responsibility to be ambassadors for Christ; Not excuse makers!

1 John is clear on carnality and belonging to the Lord.. the carnal Christian is not something to say is ok. When we read 1 Corinthians 3 Paul was upset that they had not matured. They had no reason to be immature in the faith. Even calvinists understand that as long as we are on the earth in flesh there will be a battle. Paul expressed this many times.

Why does the Bible say kick this man out of the church so that his spirit may be saved? I thought he was already saved? I don't understand this verse. Thanks! 1 Corinthians 5:5 where Paul says, "hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 3 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, 3 for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? 4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human? (More full context) Also, faith is not a work. Jesus Christ did the atoning, and all glory be to God.

Curious why he think calvinists dont believe this But he does forget james does say to grow...and should grow. Jesus gave the parable of the ten talents. So we should be baring fruit.

I bet an average five-year old kid is smarter than an average calvinist. Young children are easier to get saved than a lordshipper/calvinist since an average child knows and understand what a gift is.

Who wouldn't want there good-looking step mom!!!!

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Well technically that means Yankee is wrong about carnal believers like us. This means Everybody gets a crown for some act of valor or good they have done. The spiritual believers get crowned for various acts of valor faithfulness love and good deeds and defeating the Devil and the carnal believer gets crowned for DEFEATING CALVINISM! What a glorious day that shall be!.

I am also saddened how he managed to avoid mentioning I Cor 5:11-13 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. Here Paul, by the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit says that there are so-called brothers hiding in the church! How do we know them? Their deeds area dead giveaway! And when their deeds come to light they are to be removed from the church! And what if they repent? We see in 2 Cor. that they are to be let back into the church. As I look at the big picture there are those who live in sin and are so-called brothers. Not truly saved and in time their false profession of faith will become clear. Then there are others who are living in sin and truly saved and in time their sin will become evident and they will repent of it and they will return to the body, the church. These two groups look almost identical to human eyes. It is only God who truly know which group the belong to... But we as pastors and teacher must be careful that we never give assurance of faith to one who is not really a child of the king! Just about the worst thing you could do is assure a so-called brother that because they prayed a simple prayer that they are saved! That prayer may be a real step of faith but it may also be the false profession of a so-called brother!

Why read Corinthians when the much more accurate message comes from God Himself through His Son Jesus? Read JUST what Jesus says in each of The Gospels & ONLY THEN will you understand the spiritual protocol God DEMANDS from each of us.

The argument he makes about Paul addressing the people in the church in Corinth as brothers proving that they were saved is not well supported in the Bible. Think about Demas. 2 times he is not just called a brother but a fellow laborer with Paul. but sadly in 2 Timothy 4:10 we find that Demas, having loves this world, has left Paul... If you look in 1 John we find that "If we love this world, the love of the father is not in us. And keep in mind the book of 1 John has the expressed purpose of helping people know if they are saved or not. The bottom line is that Paul addresses all the churches as brothers and yet that does not guarantee that every person in those churches was truly a believer...

The claim made in this sermon that Calvinists believe spiritual maturity must be automatic upon conversion is simply incorrect. Neither MacArthur or Sproul have ever taught that. Rather, the Reformed teachers take seriously the doctrine that the Spirit produces fruit in the believer. In other words, a professed believer who displays no change at all is probably a false convert. The sermon we have here teaches the supposed convert is just a different category of genuine convert, aka the "carnal Christian." This category distinction twists Paul's words in that it assumes when Paul says he writes "as to Carnal," that this is a permanent condition of the Corinthian congregation. If that were the case, then why would the epistle have been written at all? It makes no sense and doesn't fit with other books like 1 John. The heart of the matter here can be found at about minute 18 of the sermon in which Arnold teaches that the old and new creations are distinct individuals, as opposed to two natures at war within the same individual. Based upon that error, we must say that Arnold does not teach the doctrine of regeneration that is found in scripture; therefore, this is in fact a different gospel and as such must be considered heresy.

Amen Brother. Jesus did all the saving I am going to get. If I live right I will have rewards in heaven. If I go off and live in sin, God is going to chasten me. But He can not go back on His word. John 6:47 Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it. God can not lie. John 3:16-18 Is Gods word. Acts 16:31 is Gods word. If we could do one thing that would save us, then Jesus died in vain. Galatians 2:21. Romans 3:26-28. I have nothing to boast in. Jesus paid it all and I paid 0. Romans 11:6. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin, First John 1:8, and we all die, but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord. The GIFT Of God is eternal life. Not faith.

Arminianism and Calvinism both teach adding works to grace

TRUST AND OBEY There is NO OTHER WAY To be happy in Jesus But to TRUST AND OBEY! The Way is Narrow, Don’t walk on the Edge.

Just say the sinner’s prayer then party hard. Sealed is sealed, right?

Neither Calvinism nor Arminianism are Biblical.

Another sermon where a preacher falsely defines Calvinism and then tells you how wrong it is based on his false definition.

There is no such thing carnal Christian.

If this is christianity... One could be a moslim or a Buddhist as well. There is no life in this teaching. There is no spiritual change in these people. I've experienced some people of this movement, like Steven Anderson. There is really no outer or inner difference between he and his followers and the people of the world. Anderson maybe worse concerning his behavior. He curses, he shouts like Hitler, dances like a clown on his pulpit, smashes his Bible almost in pieces, just to impress people how... radical he is? There is no such thing as a carnal christian. You are a new creation, living in christ likeness, or you ain't.

Let every Calvinist who believes ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED be sure that they have been TRULY SAVED as evidenced by their Holy Lives. Let every Arminian who believe they can lose their Salvation live such Holy Lives always that surely they will be saved in the END! Because Eternal Life is but the HOLY Spirit Living in the Christian manifested in Holy Living!

Dearly Beloved, I am so sorry to listen to an old man pastor that does not understand Calvinism, and preaching lukewarmness is ok within his church. Read Revelation & the lukewarm church. He does not understand Calvinism simply stated. Pray for him in Jesus' name, Amen.

We can be saved and live like a lost man? Let us not be so sure! 1st, We cannot practice sin 1 John 3:8-10 (He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.) 2. We need to fear God, only the wicked does not fear God. And the wicked perishes. Psalm 1:6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. 3.We need to endure till the end Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 4.2 Peter 1:10 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, ...yes, i have read also the verses that says we are predestined, nothing will snatch us from hands of Christ, Jesus will complete the work he started on us..etc3x. I believe that also, but we are not to live like a lost man... or else, read again the 4 verses above.

Legalism relies on fairness whereas Grace relies on justice. The Calvinist / Arminian crowd believe God needs to be fair. A person who drinks, gambles, sleeps around and trusts Christ for salvation will lose it because it's just not fair...why do they deserve it? Isaiah 30:18 tells us we have a God of justice. Christ took the full wrath of the law for us so we don't have to. Now, if we are cast aside because of a persistent sin, then the wrath falls back on us, which means God is a liar. Paul said it best, "Now there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ."

This is lordship salvation killer

Carnal Christians are a miserable lot. I should know as for a time i was there.

pastor does not understand Calvinism as he claims.

It's quite ironic this Preacher is ALSO a false Preacher. Eternal Security is NOT biblical either. You can lose your salvation. And you will be judged by faith and works. 2 Thess 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

False teaching