Why the DBAL D2 is Still the Best Civilian IR Laser 

They would just end up making something that could melt a hole through the moon.

How the hell was this posted four days ago when the video was posted an hour ago

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The hardest part is designing a robust electronics system that receives 3rd party attachments.

I love Ecco2k

Scheduling conflict, Socko is in a Broadway musical this week.

@@Hoplopfheil better than a terrible movie.

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Lucky you! :)

same

I don’t really mind it on a modern mlok rifle. It’s the height that gets annoying to me

I managed to get the newest model C1+ last December at the lower price… $2850. Worth it? Not sure as I don’t have a D2 to compare it to, all I can say is MAWL ergos are excellent on my X95 and allow for thumb activated white light and no need for any remote switches.

@@yzhou05 I just ordered a sr15 11.5 sbr so I'll have a long time to wait on a bogus stamp, but I've really been wanting to get a mawl. I might could justify the price you paid, but some folks are saying the price is going to be over 3500 on a new one.

A decade ago it was a kind of justifiable because high-power invisible lasers weren't everywhere and an argument that untrained people shouldn't be running around with something like that sounded realistic. But now, cat is out of the bag, because anyone can easily obtain a device meant for industry, medical field, or entertainment and turn it into an invisible, silent, pretty cruel weapon crippling people permanently. Commonality makes restrictions irrelevant.

@@sciloj I disagree. No government restriction on the possession of arms or their accessories is ever justified. The government has no business restricting the possession of anything people want to possess, as another human being has no right to tell a human being what they can and cannot possess. In fact, the opposite corollary is true. Every form of restriction on what the government can possess is entirely justified. This works because the government is beholden to us and functions at our behest. The argument that restrictions were justified at one point because of "lack of training" has been applied to everything the government seeks to restrict and it's obnoxious, worn-out, and unnecessary. Some of the worst offenders of firearms faux pau have been committed by government agents. Government agents murdered Mr. Bundy on the side of the road. Government agents murdered Duncan Lemp. Government agents murdered a man crawling in a hotel hallway. Just a few of many examples. The government and its little stormtroopers are your enemy and should always be viewed as such. Or do you enjoy them giving these lasers and billions of dollars to corrupt Ukraine while telling you, “you need training before you can use one?”

@@Ambusher1st I think you are arguing not with the real point I made but with someone else's talking point that you associated with what I said.

@@scilojWhat is your argument, then? That lasers such as these were new and “allowing” civilians to have them was bad because those civvies weren’t “trained” on how to use something that emits light? I’d bet that these lasers were in the hands of “civilians” before they were widely adopted by the government for “government use.” That’s often the defining thread in how the government accrues things, in that those things happen to float around the “civilian” population for some time before the government finally decides to buy them with your money. Cars weren’t commonplace at one point and many people weren’t trained on the use of cars, but citizens still could buy and use them without any hurdles.

@@Ambusher1st are you pro choice

Why is that? I've always wondered why that is the case.

@@eduardosalgado1518 There are much better people to ask but it has something to do with the power output. I was just an end user, not a SME.

@@eduardosalgado1518 The short answer is this. The Food and Drug Administration says so. Long answer. The FDA was given the power by Congress to regulate light admitting devices to ensure the health of the US populace. Any laser device sold in the United States is only allowed to have up to a certain level of brightness. That way, some idiot teenager can't buy one and then use it to damage in innocent person's eyesight. At least that's the justification that is given. I don't know if that prohibition on the sale only applies to complete units though. It may be the case that you can buy one of these civilian IR lasers and then buy a separate more powerful laser emitter and then do some homemade "modifications" and have a more powerful laser.

@@FinalLugiaGuardian there are also services where people will work on then to convert them to be full power lazers

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Wow current prices are over 700 more than I paid for mine.

Yeah they are pricey, TNVC was blowing them out for Black Friday at 3 grand but that's still like 700 dollars more than what I paid for my old C1+. Granted they added the ELR functionality to the C1+ in it's latest iterations but I am not really interested in a MAWL that has double and triple tap schemes anyways.

@@Argentum88 I only regularly use the momentary in short and mid modes I don't use the long mode often. I have only used the double tap for constant on function while adjusting the zero. I can't imagine any situations where I'd want to have an emitter constantly on in an actual engagement other than possibly interior structure clearing when it can be reasonably assumed that no one in the structure has NV capabilities of any generation. The triple tap in long range mode is a nice feature for use outdoors at long ranges. I can see it being especially with a CNVD. It's very rare that I use the long mode, but I do take advantage of the triple click settings for that mode when I do use it, as it is a mode toggle, that stays active as long as you are in long range mode. i.e. it's a per use "set and forget" toggle.

@@ftn5546 Agreed. I wish BE Meyers created a C2+ pattern MAWL to give people different cost options but I understand they were taking a loss compared to their .mil competitors getting contract money for the NGAL and the RAID. It's still a fantastic piece of kit but it's not cost competitive to civilians. The rollout of the KIJI has made using a MAWL for CNVD enabled rifles less sensible to me. I will say that the long range modes of the MAWL are second to none if you're shooting in inclement weather. Having a tiny divergence set will penetrate snow and rain well to get some IR on target without a shit ton of splash back on you

@@Argentum88 MAWL is also superb for indoor, short, and mid ranges where CNVD is irrelevant. However, ATPIAL-C (PEQ-15 Class 1) can do the same job as the MAWL-C1+ and the superiority of the MAWL focus and collimation is somewhat academic at these ranges. It is the switch options of the MAWL that make it more objectively superior at short and intermediate ranges. Sadly, we pay an extra $1,000 for the improved switch options and long range performance over the ATPIAL-C, which is still expensive in its own right. I just wouldn't consider buying a DBAL-A3 or DBAL-D2. Maybe the Wilcox RAID-Xe LOW POWER will become available at some point to test, but it's the same cost as a MAWL-C1+ and has a year or more lead time.

I would like to see a video of your setup

zbolt released the vcsel head version?

The Zbolt head is focused LED, basically the standalone D2 illuminator on a scout head.

@@Hoplopfheil I was wrong about vscel. My bad

telescopic optics buddy, but $300! glad it's working out. You have the LED

I go for night walks around my neighborhood in between range sessions

@@griffey11I put an IR light on my lawnmower so I can mow at 2:00am

What career do you have to afford night vision?

@@musicman1eanda it’s pretty easy man I’m only 20 years old and just got into night vision debt free 👍 but I also don’t have any bills to pay as I’m still living with my parents so idk guess I’m lucky

@@musicman1eanda Mother died when I was 19, insurance money is what I used to get into NV. I would rather have my mother back. I bought two pvs 14's both for less than $2000. One has a large blemish in zone 3 and the other has small peppered blemishes. You dont need the cleanest tube to have fun shooting at night. I got my d2 from optics planet years ago, it was on sale for $1200 I think 🤔.

The prices are stupid ridiculous for what they are

These things are basically about as complex as a quartz watch. Feed regulated current through laser diode with a brass heatsink and pot the internals. Not complicated, that's why the chinese can get you a functional laser designator for $120

Yea i thought we all converted to DVD years ago

BrassFacts did a good video about one already, check that out.

The DIR-V is a decent device with great illuminator performance (near MAWL as promised) but the mount clamp needs to be made out of metal not plastic.

lasers made sense when very very few people had NV, these days you're just making yourself a target, passive seems to be the way to go. Although lasers sure are cool...

What in the holiest of god's green earth did I just read

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Source of rumor?

Do you know what improvements they plan on making over the ctf2?

@@TyrannicalReigner it will be a 6V/18650 system

@@roberthutchinson2856 forgive my ignorance but what does this mean for the end user?

@@TyrannicalReigner no worries. It means you would be able to run modlites at full power and would extend battery life/allow the use of rechargeables

L opinion

Overpriced, outdated, memey, somehow using a holographic, and an outright verified lie like their claims about magnified/unmagnified holographic sights?

What were you expecting from the eflx? It has a top load battery and provides a red dot as an aiming point.

Doesn't the PERST units have a more high power laser than any DBAL's or any American made/assembled units on the market?. Due the fact they are made domestically and don't obey the FDA laser guidelines?.

Facts.

Hmm that seems like something be Meyers would fix for you. I haven't had a wandering zero issue on any of my lasers, I think that might have been more common on old thumbscrew lasers.

that got fixed it was a batch that had stacking tolerance issues.

It's a lot to spend for improved ergonomics and relocated bulk.

​@@HoplopfheilWelp you just saved me pain and money, D2 it is.

Kosher or B&H usually

@@printingwithpeek4897 Ah, gotcha. I didn’t realize that.

Perst's are better IMO

@@g.4279 older PERST-3s when you could get them around the same price for a D2, I would agree with you. Now that they're over $2K? Less appealing now.

@@g.4279 Persts die when exposed to water

Yeah until something on it breaks then youre down 3k because you have no warranty

I'm going to disagree on that one. The FP PEQ15's, more often than not, have horrible artifacts in the illuminator that make using them at distance a PIA. They were good at the time, but are behind the curve compared to newer systems. (This is coming from someone that owns both a FP PEQ15 and a MAWL).

Get an education that provides you with the ability to make more $$$

I believe it's the wider one, but when I got it there was no alternative.

That setup was NOT efficient.

That's not what that stands for

@@Hoplopfheil🤷🏻‍♂️ bought it from an ex swat member that didn’t want his anymore 🤷🏻‍♂️ I assumed it was..

@@Hoplopfheilalso looked it up online and it said “le/mil” only purchase. Unless i’m wrong, my bad 😖

There are full power versions that are LE restricted, but the difference between LS and LE is body material (alum vs titanium) and switchology. The E stands for Elite in Holosun's nomenclature.

@@printingwithpeek4897 With more and more popular civilian proliferation of NVGs, it's only a matter of time before some small start up companies set up manufacturing of competitive MFALs. I personally really like the Phantom Hill CTF as I think designing a MFAL for a fixed front sight in 2022 is dumb. The CTF 3 should be a really cost effective and intriguing all in one option with the BE Meyers Kiji.

@@printingwithpeek4897 Well having the FDA regulate aiming lasers is kind of stupid to begin with...

Between the cost of the items in this video, the knowledge and skill required to perform such a modification, and the regulatory environment for that modification, I doubt that you'll hear about this sort of experiment online anytime soon.

The IR illuminator looks like it will be exactly like the 321, which means I'm not really interested at all.