WHY THE ELECTRIC CAR MARKET IS DEAD! 

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You need to do a first car challenge like they did on top gear. Where you each go somewhere and do first car tropes with your own first cars, or representatives of. It would be awesome and it would give Taylor's Punto some mileage.

8:55 I'm the new owner of the 760li - it actually didn't need as much work as you expected. Car is on the road with 0 advisories for its MOT. Discovered quite a few interesting things with regards to repairs that had been done in the past. Goes to show that you need someone who knows what they are doing to look after these sort of cars.

When Ben collins was on the podcast a couple of weeks back, he was asked if he were to bring back top gear, would he make any changes to the format. He suggested the idea of a larger presentation team, each with their own little areas of expertise. It would be awesome if the new channel is based on this idea

Knew there's been some radio silence over the last 2 weeks! Fingers crossed it's Jack, Ethan and Edwin on the new channel! 🙌

Btw, Alex you were thinking of Biofuels, not synthetic fuels. No biomass is needed for synthetic fuels as they use captured carbon from the air and can use green energy to generate the fuel. Check out what Porsche are doing in Argentina (I believe).

Love how @Autoalex now rests his microphone on his belly, like a truck driver... 😄

47:38 eFuels. The huge issue with eFuels is that making them is inefficient. Ultimately they are inefficient to make so the consumer pays more. EFuels & hydrogen are inefficient to make, they will ALWAYS be less efficient than charging a battery. The efficiency of manufacturing eFuels and Hydrogen is limited due to thermal dynamics. Electrolysis uses loads of electricity and it always will. It is already more efficient to directly charge a battery and use an electric motor.

I don't currently own an electric car and have now plans on getting one, but this idea that electric car sales are falling off a cliff is just not true. look at the facts whether petrol heads like it or not electric car sales are up nearly 30% YoY for January. Electric cars are not going to disappear and as the tech advances they'll just become more popular especially with the next generation of drivers. I appreciate that having "electric car sales dying" as a title to your YT video helps with clicks, but its just factually not the case.

as a Tewkesbury resident i knew i recognised the person driving the defender that added to the flood damage.

These podcasts r pure gold, the rant and genuine comradery is electrifying and making the days I’m watching it a blast. As a fellow car trader cannot find any other channel that fits all the boxes like Autoalex 😊

Jack, Ethan and Edwin 👀. Could it be their Porsche?

you really should differentiate the podcast uploads from the normal v2 uploads somehow. I listen to the pod on spotify and it's very easy to miss the regular uploads since the titles and thumbnails are exactly the same

So there is a garage now down on south coast who can now fix parts of a battery and save replacing whole battery, i believe could be first company in uk to offer this

I'm a student in my early 20s who's absolutely broke and, for now, isn't in student debt yet. I just hope that once I get my degree and start working I'll at least have the opportunity to enjoy petrol cars when I'm financially capable to. As for many people here, cars are basically the major thing that keeps me going in life and the thought of them being ruled out of existence, or having to pay a shitton (like Alex and his ULEZ or whatever it's called) really keeps me up at night. I may have all the money I could imagine but if there's nothing left to enjoy it.....

Bring Ethan back to your channel!! He's so innocent and nice yet is enjoyable to watch when he's learning cars. Time to take over car Throttle!

The drop in values is nothing to do with batteries, it's trickle down economics. New Taycan's were snapped up by companies because it was a no brainer to buy one and write it off against tax. This has meant that at £50-70k it's too expensive for the majority of private drivers and pointless for companies to buy as they can buy new and write the cost off that they can't do with a used one. Chuck in that Tesla chopped £10k off the Model 3 and it immediately shocked cheaper cars values as obviously suddenly a used Model 3 is worth £10k less which makes Kia's MG's etc suddenly a less desirable option to many buyers. For the person who CAN charge at home and has £20k to spend it's a wonderful time to buy one. And in absolutely no way are battery cars going away.

In respect to the car choice for small family, we chose a 1.0L petrol Kia Picanto X-Line (X-Line has 5 seats compared to normal 4). Over 19,000 Miles so far the average economy has been 60.5. Under the bonnet the tiny 1.0L engine leaves plenty of space. Add the mild hybrid system or a small plug in hybrid setup and surely that would be a great solution. It's not fast, but its comfortable, surprisingly spacious (Takes 3 of us around the UK on holidays no problem), and it just does the job well and at a low cost. love faster cars etc, but having a small family, it is a great choice. To Alex, Congrats on the baby coming. It's going to be a rollercoaster but it will also be great. You`ll both be great parents, I am sure of it! - Paul

Loving every podcast, hope we can keep enjoying them for ever. Listening to them while driving around a garbage truck. Greetings from the Netherlands

Taylor, you are completely wrong about plug-in hybrids, especially the ionic. I own one. I do 70,000 miles a year with a mix of long motorway runs and in town runs. The ionic gets 60-70 MPG on a motorway run and I push over 100 MPG when doing 70-100 miles in and around town. That is much better than diesel alternatives

Taking precautions with bikes is huge man, props to alex for not taking things for granted. My brother came off last year, broke basically every bone in the left side of his body. Wonder how much worse it would have been with no good kit on

5:55 - I am really glad to hear the guys are okay :)

Batteries can be fixed for a hell of a lot cheaper than you'd think. There just needs to be good service centers and parts avaible. As more people are trained, as the servicing becomes more mature etc, it will normal for high milage cars to go in and get a battery serviced, take out bad cells etc and replace with good ones. Very rarely the whole battery is bad, usually just a cell or two that need replacing

Hopefully we do actually get more bike content, enjoyed the bits we’ve had over the time of the channels

Both hydrogen and synthetic fuels have way, way more problems than BEVs. Hydrogen takes a lot more energy to produce, and synthetic fuels are either biofuels made from crops or from CO2, which is extremely difficult.

BIK tax for electric cars is currently very low compared with combustion/hyrbid vehicles. When this raises and becomes almost the same the flood will stop. I have just ordered an EV for this very reason. Vehicle value of 87k vs Hybrid A3 at roughly 35k and the EV is almost £200 per month cheaper.

The EV value point seems a little disingenuous. A quick auto trader search shows any saloon that cost c.£40k in 2020 with 80-90k miles is now about 13-15k. Tesla, BMW, Audi, even Jaguar. Harry's from Harry's Garage makes a better argument on the issues of the EV market and his vid is worth a watch.

43:40 Alex I've also seen the same post when you switch it round, but instead it was; 'wait, so I have to keep a car that has 1000x as many moving parts, is far less reliable than just a motor and a battery, less torque, far-far less efficient, lets noxious gasses out the tail pipe and is filled up with a highly flammable and explosive liquid? It then ignites that liquid, wastes over 60% of the energy that the fuel gives me in wasted heat/light and mechanical losses of the drive train thats all just wasted money? (Compared to the 90%+ in EV's) Why do I not get any of that back when slowing down, in fact I have to burn more fuel when slowing down? And I have to keep that tank of explosive liquid in my garage overnight?! Why do I have to travel to a fuel station really far away from my house to fillup, why can't I just leave my house with a full tank like I do now? Why does it cost so much to fuel it? £60-£80/tank instead of £1-£3 it currently costs me.' So it goes both ways. ICE cars would look silly if we already had an EV world, especially as if we had an EV world, we'd probably have already solved the issues with batteries and charging. Also, the charging debate is just silly -car is quicker charging than it is for me to go pee. Just as you never fill up at a motorway services as its silly expensive, you don't in EV's either. Driving for 3-4 hours, done 300mi already, you're gonna want to stop. 15 minutes later I've had a rest and can now do another 200mi. Its all about that sweet cheap destination charging. I pay about £3 to do 350mi and always leave home with a full charge that I don't have to think about. There are many valid criticisms about EV's, ICE and hybrids, but I find the conversations around them in the car based YT channels exhausting as its all just the same parroted view points from people with no real experience living and running one.

0:02 Is that the white 996 911 from the Car Throttle saving a car from the scrapyard video that Edwin mentioned? Plz say you bought it?!?!

Oh i know that NEW channel!!! I KNOW THAT!!! it is the old team from Car Throttle! Ethan, Jack and Edwin!! 100% happening! We already saw that coming for a while of course

Going off another RU-vid channel (salvage rebuilds) he was paying 83p per unit which cost him £34 for 130mile of range so on motorways diesel is still king of munching the miles. I agree electric is losing its charm with the likes of MG giving discounts of almost 15k on low mileage demonstrators, some less than 1k miles

PHEV is the worst of both worlds, the MPG is shit, and the miles per KWh is more expensive than petrol!

Charging predominantly at home is *significantly* cheaper. My dad's on about £300 for 7500 miles of driving. But yes, cost of charging out and about is extortionate and needs reigning in.

A good video to watch is Harry's Garage a few episodes ago and why he's bought a diesel Range Rover Sport. He gives a detailed and clear explanation of why EV is diminishing.

Hi guys, First off, really love this channel and a big fan. However, there is a real lack of understanding of EVs in this episode. 2/3 of UK households have access to off-street parking where an EV charge point could be fitted. The electricity at home at night is so cheap and costs an absolute fraction versus petrol. My car will do 220 real-world miles in winter for less than £6 and it's an early inefficient EV. Yes i sometime have to charge publicly but it's by exception. Also, BMW ARE NOT backing out of EVs...none of the car OEMs are because they have quotas they must hit or they get penalised. BMW are making massive investments into their new 'Neue Klasse' EV platform for most future models. Lastly, batteries are absolutely fixable. Garage like Cleevely Motors, Tesla Specialist Birmingham, and many HEVRA approved garages can now fix EV batteries. This is no different to ICE cars. You guys are car fans but please, please, please spend some time understanding EVs better and help to raise awareness about the current options for maintenance...that would really be a great way to use your platform.

It feels like Alex is the only one that has given more than 60 seconds thought to EVs. Would be really interesting to get a guest on who has some knowledge of the environment or transport policy to help get the basics right

Taylor you normally can heat and cool you’re house with a air conditioner 😅

Love the comment about the M40 being our autobahn! So true, awfully rude of the rozzers to spoil your fun

You can change a faulty one of the 12 modules in an EV car battery for a small amount of money.

You can't point at Japanese manufacturers of "backing out" when they never fucking entered the EV market in the first place. One car from Honda and One car from Nissan isn't "entering the market".

Can't wait for the new channel with the lads 👍

Good news! I just passed my driving test! Next I tackle my a2 licence!

To paraphrase Jaws, you’re going to need a bigger garage

Just looking through the view counts on v2 channel videos and not surprised to learn that the videos with Taylor in the thumbnail perform the best... interesting

somebody has to be that one: All my favourite youtubers at shedfest? sticking to motoring, I don't think MORR, Donut, Elizabeth Blackstock, Alanis King or Sammit are likely to be at shedfest haha

Bought a high milage diesel hero. 57 to 60 MPG. Cheap as chips to buy - under a grand, about 700 to bring it up to MOT and good reliability spec. Cheap tax and very reasonable insurance. Bloody marvelous. Di not want a milk float, Porsche branded or otherwise. Great show lads.

My stag party paint ball. All vs me with no armour. Did a baseball slide, torn/ strained my leg muscles 1 week before wedding. Couldnt walk, wife was going mental. Than our Vauxhall Zafira went a bit toasty. Yes that series Zafira.

I do not know if EVs are the future, but thanks to climate warming the future if definitively zero emission. So it will be EVs or bicycles. Both are ok for me.

On the subject of PHEVs, my work "van" is an Outlander PHEV. I agree with both Taylor and Rory. I can charge at work which is 8 miles from home so I can commute for weeks purely on electric power, saving the planet and with no local emissions. If however I don't charge it or need to do more mileage, the Outlander averages around 35 MPG which isn't bad, but isn't great either..

compare electric cars to phones. with tech advancing older cars become obsolete really quickly, ignoring apple, residual values are next to nothing for a 3-4 year old phone compared to the purchase price. and in a similar way to phones, the early adopters have all bought, the infrastructure is at max (our local petrol station has rapid chargers and there is always a queue) so the market has becomes somewhat saturated. and perhaps most critically, the infrastructure for service and repair is all at the main dealers, which means the price for keeping an electric car if something goes wrong it too high which puts off people from the second hand market. im happy to spanner on a petrol or diesel car, but no way am i touching a 400v system on an EV, and so are the majority of independent garages. and i suspect main dealers are happy to exclude anyone else for their own benefit even if it kills the market. so until the software and technical skills are accessible i think it'll continue.

50k/ year on my Tesla model 3 ‘22, now over 100k and 0 issues. Brakes still new, 4% range loss. There’s no going back to ICE for a daily driver for me and my use case.

my 2013 fabis 1.2 tsi, what a gem of a car that is... just went over 100,000 mils, and still a very good little car. I use it as a work van as well as a family car... it is just a great little car...

In January 2024, diesel car sales reached 114,415 units, accounting for a market share of 13.4%, down from 15.8% in 2023. In January 2024, new battery-electric car sales surged by 28.9% to 92,741 units, representing a total market share of 10.9%.2 days ago

For me the more technical the better. I personally enjoy that side of it. Thanks again Dean another great video.

I have a Toyota C-HR 18 plate (Hybrid), I can and have got 70mph on a weekly cross country run, and I have done and Run from my home town to Tilbury Docks (253miles) return total 506 miles + about 10 miles running around at the docks on 1 tank of fuel 45 ltr, The max speed on the motorway was 65mph. The new Toyota RAV Plugin Hybrib will do about 50ish miles solely on the second battery then reverts to being a normal self charging Hybrid

I find it hilarious and sad that there’s a recent trend of anti EV crowd spouting about how Hydrogen will save us.. literally mouth pieces for the oil industry.

2.0 Golf TDI 2015. Went to Glasgow and back last year. 736 mile round trip. Car did 59.9mpg. 😁

I remember a motorcycle workshop with a large mezzanine floor converted to a "photographic " studio ..possibly a project for your unit Tyler?

Seriously. I hate podcasts. This is the only one I watch. Keep it up!

I really hope it’s Ethan, Jack and Edwin, definitely should have been done a long time ago!! Back together at last.

I bought an electric car brand new, drove it for 5 months, the driving experience was great but the infrastructure was absolutely awful, I traded it in and took a big financial hit (it would have been a bigger hit the longer I kept it) I have now got a petrol version of the electric car I had and all is good now, my electric car experience wasn't very good.

Aptera in California are making solar powered cars, which might not quite work in the UK (they claim they would, but couldn't garage it!), but they could fill a hole in the commuter market for the athletic and nimble people - they have a max carry weight of around 600lbs, so Taylor and I would be pretty much at the max weight. Completely agree on electric vs fuel based cars - diesels are great for >30mile regular commutes/towing, electric for short runs, hybrids to have the option for long journeys - but they are a compromise.

Teslas coming out of warranty will obviously affect used values but you wouldn't fit a new manufacture supplied engine to your 8 year old 100k mile ICE car you would fit a used part. Also its not very common and you dont need to do any maintenance what so ever apart from all the normal wear items that cars have. There are examples of Teslas doing 200-300k miles with 85-90% capacity left. Supercharging doesnt seem to impact battery health either as software always monitors the battery. With NO maintenance required! Thats really quite insane. Average UK car is only 14 years old or 140k before its scrapped, which is shocking. EV's have the potential to do double this, with no maintenance. You are very unlucky if you have a full battery pack failure, usually modules can be replaced at a much lower cost.

56:40 A triple carriageway 🤣

note to rory,i got shot point blank with a paintball on the right nadger,i"m a big man but i dropped to the floor like a sack of s++t

Buy 125 2 strokes for fun and the smell!

54mpg in my Up! GTI and I do many motorway miles a year. I could never go electric myself, and all the studies I’ve done around the electric market as part of my degree shows that it’s not going to last.

18:33 i used to own a 1986 Honda VFR750F. What a machine that was. Actually regret selling that bike for a bit. Just a bit, because to be honest that V4 sound made me break speedlimits daily and i don't want my license to be suspended or anything. And that's when the fuel tank of the VFR started leaking, so i decided to get rid of it. I did a wise thing by selling it as you can read, but yeah... I still think i should've kept it.

Trading up series by Taylor would be great tbf

Another Great Podcast guys! Never been a massive podcast fan but watching/listening to yours are quite entertaining. Alarm bells started ringing though when you mentioned Bruno from BDS Motorsport as we have actually met and dealt with him where I work so small world that you guys also know him too! Shame about his bike and break in but hopefully it’ll all be found and he’ll get sorted soon!

with syntetich fuel you need massive crops and with hydrogen you need massive amounts of water, not fiesable.

Am I the only fu*ker who liked the video before I started watching it? :))))) thank you guys for making my night bearable!

My GF6 Subaru runs on the tears of squirrels, its great

The problem with electric cars is rapid depreciation, battery life especially in hot or cold running, battery degradation, lack of charging infrastructure. Not only that, if you find a charging point, it may not work. If it does the charging time is a lot longer than refuelling a petrol or diesel. If the battery does need replacing it's beyond economical repair. Insurers are finding they're more expensive to repair which means the premium is higher. Commercial charging points are about the same price as petrol.

I'm a big advocate for synthetic fuels. Not only can they be produced in mostly renewable-powered factories, some even use CO2 in the production, meaning a really low emission petrol could become genuinely net-zero carbon. Potentially even negative carbon. Apparently these fuels could even be tailored to make an engine more efficient, develop more power and produce fewer emissions AND get rid of the ethanol additives all at the same time, and because it would be a liquid hydrocarbon, we could use the existing forecourt infrastructure with zero modifications to either the storage, pumps or the cars. It just needs the investment to make it all viable. But because it doesn't have the easy sound-bite of EVs, politicians refuse to pay them any attention.

Trust me that EV's are definitely going to rule the market. It's just our government are shit at the moment in regards to anything.. just look at Europe they have charging stations everywhere.

One of the most interesting discussions on EV's I have heard for a while.

Oh look, there is Edwins 'crispy' Porsche

I spy the 996 in the background 👀 see it at Renn-Works the other day ……..

Toyota went off and did that 24hour race with Hydrogen fair enough it didn't give enough MPG. But ICE cars are likely to be converted/modified in kits.

I have a hybrid company car, 9 years old now, lost 1/3 its battery mileage, economy on the petrol is poor as having to carry around an extra 200-250kg battery weight. Hybrid good in some forms, stay clear of electric completely in my opinion

Harry's Garage did a great video on the EV market and why it's in the gutter at the moment.

The majority of evs have circa 30-40k miles on not 100k & can be have for 20k upwards even lower in the case of the jaguar iPace

Not me considering getting an EV because they’ve dropped too less than 20k Tesla’s & jaguar iPaces

I’m still confused as to why diesel hybrid cars aren’t a thing.

53:40 - taylor going to court

My university had a car share system to let people drive home. Electric, charging at uni and a seemingly low charge to use. The government has ruined the market by incentivising expensive, powerful electrics and not cheap, efficient ones. Charging should be regulated in the way petrol prices are, to stop price gouging, and the energy providers should be regulated more to stop them overcharging by 80% (British gas) when compared to their costs. There needs to be a system of wireless or under car charging for terraced streets and then electric could work. Diesel kills thousands of people a year through nox.

Back petrol because it financially makes sense for oil companies. My Prius gen2 used to do get 68mpg I now have a zoe to comute in. Because I can charge at home its great, its costing around £11 per week to do around 250 miles. The battery argument is absolute BS anyone in the trade knows that batteries can be refurbished for less than an ICE engine build. I am an old school diesel, the trouble is they are not ulez and CAZ friendly. This renders my mk5 transit unless as a useful truck. The only reason diesels are banished is because us peseants could make fuel in the back yard. Personally I want the arse to fall out of the market. I would love to get my hands on a cheap Tycan turbo s shooting break.

40:40 to be fair though, 100k/mi warranty is pretty standard for any car on the road. No-one offers unlimited mile warranties from factory, it was obviously an early adopter incentive. Tesla's warranties are 5-7 years for battery/drive trains/etc. pretty decent and inline with long warranties that people love from the likes of Kia, especially compared to the joke warranties you get with the German brands that I've had on VW's where you get 1-3 years and need to have regular servicing (which you don't with Tesla). So I'm not really sure that was a fair dig.

Lads , you really need to get yourselves to Norway and get educated on a mature EV country. Also there’s garages there specialising on repair and upgrade of all sorts of EV s across all manufacturers. It’s ok for petrol heads like you to lament the demise of ice cars, but to say EV s have had their day is pure fantasy. Non petrol heads will follow the pocket with , no service costs , tiny electricity bills and no breakdowns and go EV and stay EV. If/ WHEN , Tesla bring out a £20 k electric car , the masses will go for it , just like they buy cheap washing machines, rather than Miele . It’s already happening with the Model 3 Tesla, a basic one for £40 k is tempting loads of people away from more expensive Audis/BMWs/ Mercedes etc that have inferior performance,reliability and not as sophisticated software and inferior apps.

ANY REAL ISSUE WITH A BMW GEAR BOX IS MOST OF THE TIME A TORQUE CONVERTER YOU CAN REPLACE FOR NEW OR GET REFURBISHED

So what happened on Valentine’s Day @taylor im sure we all Want to know lol!

Love this lot they could do a good top gear type show...

UK and US electric cars crashing in price while theyre still stupidly expensive in sweden dont really mind much though, no interest in electric yet

What happened on Valentine’s Day!!!

Taylor is right about a small engine petrol car being the cheapest car to run to a diesel. I bought a Peugeot 107 purely for commuting to work and it will average (tank to tank working out properly ie miles done and litres used) 64 mpg, that's all the cold starts, school runs, commuting. The only luxury it has is electric windows and it's not the safest of things but it doesn't feel sluggish, it will happily cruise and get to 70+ depending how brave you are. It's £20 a year tax and such a simple engine. Dirty Percy is his name and he's such an honest little shitbox. Done about 145k on a 3 cylinder engine that isn't even a litre in size. I did have an E46 330d manual touring years ago and that was incredible on fuel as well. A mk4 Golf PD is also a very cheap car to run. The only downside to that is these older diesels is the higher road tax.

I think EVs will be the next big thing in ICE swaps...chuck the battery out, stick an engine in and you will have a great track car

It was Volvo who tried mention scheme where never owned car sort of time share swapped around when want. Failed UK but think carried on in other countries

The look of love on Taylors face as he says ' I love lasagne'

You guys are replacing the hole left from OG top gear. Taylor May, Alex Clarkson, Rory Hammond 😂