tbh once you leave the draenei and blood elf areas it all goes back to bussiness as usual with the only difference being that there are representatives of the two races present in various areas
My headcanon/theory for the presence of the night elves in the Ghostlands is that this zone actually happens *after* the draenei starting zone. In Bloodmyst, the draenei and night elves encounter evil blood elves allied with the Legion and using dark magic. Thus, it would make sense for the night elves to think "what the hell is going on with the blood elves?" and send this expedition to the Ghostlands.
Night Elves basically see the High Elves as utterly debased, and the reason the Legion came into Azeroth in the first place. Pure pragmatism got the Night Elves to work with the Horde and Alliance in WC3. With Quel'thalas ceding from the Alliance inbetween WoW and WC3, and the Horde's encroachment into Ashenvale; The Night Elves had pretty good reason to then join the Alliance IMO. Doesn't mean that the NElves weren't originally peaceful in Ghostlands/Eversong, but they also DO really hate the now BLOOD Elves who started drinking straight demon juice.
Very good thoughts! After reading all your comments and considering new evidence, I think it's very likely that the Night Elves could have been there to both heal the land and put up a front against the Blood Elves after discovering they are dependent on fel energy. :)
The Night Elves loathe both blood elves and Nightborne and would do anything to get rid of both. The personal hatred Tyrande has for The Nightborne in particular always really fascinated me considering how she was raised in Suramar something both she and Thalyssra comment on during the Legion storyline in different ways. I do not necessarily subscribe to the belief that the Night Elves came to Quel’Thalas to heal anything considering their hatred for what they see as magic crazed elves if Blood Elves did not fall to Fell maybe things would have been different however. The Night Elves are probably one of the least accepting races in WoW.
Something that always bugged me about the Ghostlands, and Quel'thalas in general, is how ALL of the architecture is stereotypically Blood Elf, with red everywhere from Sunstrider Isle down to the border of the Eastern Plaguelands. IMO it would have been much more fitting for many of the structures in Eversong, and all of the structures in Ghostlands to be in High Elf blue. After all, the vast majority of it would have been build by the High Elves prior to the Third War, before the idea of Blood Elves even existed, and it's not like the 6-7% of pre-war elven population remaining in the area would have prioritized rebranding over survival. Examples of what this would have looked like were shipped with Burning Crusade too; See the Allerian Stronghold in Terrokar. Red Blood Elf architecture feels more appropriate for areas newly built by Blood Elves in Outland, or the rebuilt half of Silvermoon. Having ruins in the Ghostlands in the same colors feels like a pretty big lore blunder on Blizzard's part.
They also got Dath'remar and Anasterian sunstrider mixed up and Azuremyst and Bloodmyst feel half finished, my guess is the new started zones were made late in development and didn't get much time.
The healing land theory makes total sense, but I still think Night Elves went there also to spy on the Blood Elves. On all three outposts, there's only warrior types mobs you can find, all the druids are camping at the main base, and there's quite the army at each post. Maybe this is because they just arrived and were still scouting the Ghostlands before sending the druids, or maybe they were getting ready to take over the region. But thing is that in the Draenei starting zones, you have to deal with BE and NE are also there helping you. They know something is off with the Blood elves. If you see the narration of both starting zones in a chronological order, then it makes sense that the Night elves sended spies to Eversong woods and troops into the Ghostlands to clear things out.
It's also be entirely possible the forsaken deliberately misconstrued the intentions of the night elves in the ghostlands to forge a bond between them and the horde. Considering that the leader of the forsaken is also Sylvanas Windrunner, it probably wasn't too difficult to get the blood elves to hop on board with whatever they suggested.
Love the video, still remember fondly of the first time I found that necklace and saw Sylvanas singing, got goose bumps. I like the theory about the NElfs being there to heal the land. That song is one of many variations of the elven theme, though, you'll hear it in Suramar, for instance, and I'm pretty sure it is present somewhere in classic as well.
Thank you for the comment! :) Yes, the song I believe is originally from the Temple of the Moon in Darnassus and has been used elsewhere but is probably most well-known on Shalandis Isle :)
I always really liked the presence of Nerubian scourge in the ghostlands, as geographically, it’s the same area as the level in the scourge campaign where they first become available as troops in Warcraft 3. Always thought that was a nice touch.
the great thing about the blood elf starter zones is they are entirely Inside the free trial scaling level limit range. meaning you can go back but don't have to pay a sub again yet.
yes, but Tyrande wanted to destroy the nightborne magic well just to do it even before the pillar thing. it's likely that they wanted to attack Quel'thalas for the simple fact that they hated the arcane before wotlk and tbc. In addition to being so they would be neutral, but they are totally hostile even before the Sin'dorei join the horde. There's even that book about Malfurion and the murderous Sin'dorei where he says his people have never invaded the home of the Sin'dorei yet all the Kaldorei present in Quel'thalas are sentinel combatants, they're not druids, they're not The Cenarion Circle, they are warriors, the spies carry shit about Silvermoon defences.
You make some good points my friend! I haven’t read the other books on this lore but I definitely agree there is some enmity between the two groups. :)
Night Elves can smell demon blood. After the events in Outland and the obvious fel taint evident in the Sin'dorei's eyes, it's understandable the Night Elves went hostile and started undermining their efforts to rebuild
@@Jediwarlock yeah but Quel'thalas sin'dorei don't have demon blood, and the green eyes are coz blood elves have enslaved demons as magic batteries in the city, also Quel'thalas incursions were from earlier than the things in the Draenei starting zone, also Night elves build a entire garrison like thing in the area, few mon wells and they wanted to fuck the arcane sanctum, Not the batteries made of demons, after all the dwarven spy and the Kaldorei spies were only in the Sanctums, they even tried to use the lay lines. The eye thing is quite new, and in the starting zone by lore you you shouldn't have green eyes, after all you were using the arcane torrent to steal mana from other life forms, not even from demons, the only demonic influence was the use of demons as source of power for the city facilities.
Eh, they may be in Sentinel garb, but could be remnants of Maiev's salty wardens, trying to get back at the Illidari through the Bloodelves. Or Fandral false flagging. Tyrande left on good terms with *Kael* Legion wasn't written till much later and can't be taken of evidence for writer intent in BC, but even if it COULD she had a personal grudge with the Suramar Highborne for just fucking noping out of the fight. It was HER hometown, and the majority of its nobility refused to fight.
These videos are amazing dude. Discovered your channel today and I've been bingeing when I can! The Ghostlands are my favourite region in the entire game (partly because I spent far too long levelling there as a 10 year old back in the day) and you've managed to put my feelings about the place into words. Keep doing what you're doing, and I hope your channel keeps growing
Ironically my first experience with WoW as on Ghostlands EU server as a Night-Elf Warrior 14 days before TBC was released. With the release of TBC I re-rolled as a Blood-elf Mage and started my journey through Evversong Woods and Ghostlands. After playing through the zones I was guided to Tbe Barrens by a couple of IRL friends so I could "experience" the "best" vanilla zone for leveling my horde charecter. I've leveled over a dozen charecters since then and Eversong Woods + Ghostlands along side Mulgore are some of the best zones for me.
I highly agree about the night Elf theory which is true the same way malfurion went to lorderon to heal their lands... its the same approach to ghost land... i always thought about it that way, its very unique Discovery ❤ thank you for bringing it up after so many years ❤ rip night elves expedition 🌑🍀
Firstly: I love your videos that I binge watch since I found your channel a few days ago. But I must say that the theory that implies Night Elves are there to heal the land is absurd because this land has no more value to their "protect the nature" mindset than any other land around, but they decide to intervene rather than in the Plague lands or the Forsaken zones nearby which are ecologically literally dying.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you are enjoying them :) You make good points XD ... the theory part of this vid is not the most solid but I felt like introducing the concept and see what people thought of it... the feedback is appreciated and I agree to a certain extent. Something I had thought of is if there is a difference between Fel and Scourge corruption such that the Night Elves are able to cleanse demonic taint but have not yet found reliable cures for the undead areas. Could explain why in Felwood, Darkshore, elsewhere the Elf storylines revolve heavily around corruption and cleansing it, but there is substantially less of that in the places you had mentioned. Just an idea ;)
In Warcraft 3, Malfurion did take some time out of hunting Illidan to cleanse the land. It wouldn't be too out of character for them to go there. As for the Forsaken, that area is Horde territory and thus dangerous.
These types of videos I enjoy actually watching on my television while relaxing. THIS is the type of content I enjoy related to WoW. neat little dives into lore or obscure corners of the game. Like a version of WoW Believe it Or Not!
Just started a blood elf character, and gotta say this video has been on my mind. As a brand new player to wow / wow classic, I gotta say the zone designs of eversong is so interesting. From the scar to the dead forests, it leaves me wondering what powerful magic that caused its destruction.
This is definitely my favorite starting experience, across both versions of the game. I think the whole area is so immersive and beautiful. As a kid who didn’t understand how to level i spent dozens of hours here.
My first character was a BE Paladin mostly because back then I still loved Paladins as a concept, Warrior Healers sort of thing and combined with my love of Star Wars as a Lore it made sense (as it does to yourself based on the channel username). "Jedi". I fell in love with the Warcraft lore back in Warcraft 3, the whole Arthas story being quite similar to Anakin's fall, and when we met Sylvanas & Quelthalas as a region I just knew that they will be my favorite playable race in the future if a mmo were to happen (that was before WoW came out). Ghostlands will always be one of my favorite places because you can see so much history and pain in it but the resilience of the elves coming through. I also remember exploring and somehow ended up venturing so far ahead that I ended up taking the portal towards the Plaguelands and obviously getting obliterated immediately. Garithos really ruined the diplomatic relations between the elves and the rest of the Alliance.. I can't say that I am a big fan of the Alliance either (I did enjoy playing as a Draenai though) but it was tragic to lose the blood elves just like that.
My favorite comment I've read this month!! I appreciate the thoughts and you sharing your story. :) My very first character was a human mage named "Jediknight" and was likewise named because of my childhood Star Wars phase (which I suppose I never grew out of, haha). Moved on to "Jediwarlock" and that's the one who has stuck with me the longest. :) I actually made a video awhile back comparing Arthas and Anakin so it's funny you pointed that out! Always good to meet a fellow Ghostlands enjoyer... have a great day! :D
True, I'm still a SW fanboy that kinda hates what they're doing to the franchise but that's a whole different story haha, at least the Mandalorian is good. Will have to check that comparison video of yours as I'm quite curious :D "The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural" Man I miss my childhood sometimes when life was simpler. Just hardcore grinding BC & WotLK. (still my favorite expansions) the music in Storm Peak was so hauntingly good. Anyway, sorry for the long comments, I tend to get carried away sometimes about the things that I enjoy.
Thank you very much! I've had some mixed feedback on my Night Elf theory but I think it's interesting to introduce some more nuance rather than just "the Night Elves are bad" kind of story :)
The theory about the night elfs makes so much more sense then what is presented in the game and it even makes for a more compelling and fleshed out lore background to round up why the blood elfs turned on the Alliance. No matter if this was intended or not, thats definitely head canon for me from this point onward
Thanks for this suggestion. Never really bothered with the Ghostlands given how tedious and monotonous Eversoong woods were and how they compete with the home that is Crossroads. I've recently ventured to Dustwallow March just so I try new zones while lvling and I was blown away by how dense and atmospheric it was. So naturally I've started looking for other zones that are arguably better than the golden standarts such as The Barrens, Westfall or STV yet often ignored. I'll make sure my next char goes through the Ghostlands no matter what.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment! :) Dustwallow in my opinion is a great zone, at least for Alliance, and there are so many awesome quest lines there!
the main reason why the elves dont take aid from the alliance is because of the racism they faced from a general in warcraft three. Or rather why they would rather not take aid from them. Without the general in the story we might have seen the elves attacking the forsaken and allying with the night elves in the zone
Your content about wow really reminds me of how old wow content felt to watch, very comfy. hope you do more exploration content regarding WoW and maybe delve into the expansions.
Oh I think that was a reference to the Ukraine War which started around that time... I remember seeing something where Ukraine wasn't allowed to join NATO while it was in a war which was similar to the thoughts of the Horde not letting the elves in while the Scourge war was going on. :P
My first character was a Blood Elf, and I finished in Ghostlands. This was my first zone, and as a kid, I went to the Eastern Plaguelands afterward. I couldn’t figure out why the high-level zombies with the 'skull' symbol were one-shotting me. I didn’t really know where to go
If there was a season of tbc. What are your thoughts on making ghostlands a high level zone (lvls 68-70). Both factions could have a hub there easily.. I think expansions suffer by focusing all the new level stuff onto the new continent. I wonder if TBC would feel better if some zones in outlands were levels 1-60 as well maybe in the 40+ range and some zones on azeroth being 60-70 to feel like a more complete and cohesive mmorpg like vanilla feels. I was thinking draenei starting quests could be like a scenario of playing in netherstorm (1-10) before they get on the ship and land in azuremyst (10-20). Maybe bloodmyst could be a higher level zone too. I do think its a shame this undead scar are just level 20 mobs especially when there's a lvl 70 raid in the same zone. Its just a bit anticlimactic to the forsaken army arthas sent. Deadwind pass could be a higher level zone too, so 3 higher level zones in azeroth and maybe make zangarmarsh terrokar or nagrand some lower level zones. Hellfire, blades edge, netherstorm and shadowmoon already feel high level
I like that idea! :D It could almost be a mix of TBC and MoP Remix where they've played around with the level brackets a bit... I could very much see that! I think even adding a little instance/scenario for both the Draenei and Blood Elves could be very neat to explain some of that lore. Making Hellfire 50+ instead of 58+ could help alleviate some of that 50-60 grind and give players something new to look forward to. :)
Just the other day I was doing the void elf allied unlock quest in the ghostlands with alleria and I had an epiphany... Ghostlands sucks! And/or the blood elves suck harder! 15+ years of development and still undead prowl the grounds, darkhan is still the only villain they can fall back to and the 'kingdom' of quel thalas doesn't even own 2 zones as its territory.(quel Danas is a raid/dg site so it's understandable to have a constant enemy presence there). Meanwhile the steemwheedle cartel of all things, has kezan, tanaris, cape of stranglethorn, winterspring and possibly more as it's pseudo territory. Despite being a neutral faction.
Alliance Propaganda lol I think it’s Tyrande being Tyrande. A lot of the night eves, especially at this point don’t draw much distinction between the greater forces and those that wield them. Though the Blood elves at that point would have been loyal to Kael and using fel, other races were using it too. The Night Elves still felt responsible for their kin. I wouldn’t doubt if they had spies amongst them for the past 10,000 years. And when they did what they had to to survive, they made plans to counter the forces they used. This was all repeated again in Legion when she spurned the Nightborne when they wanted to ally with the alliance. They would rather die than work closely with a faction that has more than people in the shadows using fel magic. It’s just a force of the universe like anything else. 😂 all IMO I want to like night elves so much, but they keep jumping the gun of rejecting something they don’t understand
I started to play World of Warcraft around 2008. My first character was an undead, but after the cruelty, the hatred and mindless followin of Sylvanas Windrunner - I had to delete that 4 level character. After that moment, I felt a passion to start a blood elf. And I did. This was my journey with blood elves. I loved this race, because of they are in the horde, but never felt the tipical horde feeling like "lok tar ogar" or something like that. I never liked the horde, even if I had to help them, the elves never been accepted by other horde races, Even the forseakens just saw an ally whose can use against the Lich King. So I played lot of characters, magis, paladins, priests, locks, death knights, warriors, hunters in the past, tasted the demon hunter and got new vision from the outlandic times - when we had to kill as blood elves another blood elves - and the demon hunter story caused a little confusion about the quel thalan passion. I felt I misjudge the followers of Kael'Thas and Illidan and the history shows the real indicatioin of those doings. So it caused... when the void elf were added as playable races on th Alliance, I left all of my old characters in horde side. With years and lot of work on those characters, I loved the blood elves and its not changed, but after years of "victory or death" and "lok tar ogar" I changed side. So now, I feel a tlittle home myself again, because the Alliance much better side (the harmony, the policy, the goals) without bloodthirst, and they have got the high elf and void elf hatred too, but they could much better handle this. I am feeling now, something should happen around Quel Thalas, they should reunite the elves of Silvermoon, even if they swore to other fractions. After the blizzcon, I fear a little about the elven future. After the years of pain and sacrafice, they should reunite and rebuilt the glory of Dath'Remas's legay - and the World Soul saga 2. part will take place on here. This tells me, lot of sacrafice, pain and blood will come with this new expansion - to the elves. But thank you for this video, I really liked it! A feel a great loss about the night elves there, but probably it was the forsakens conspiracy to keep the elves on the horde's way, their way to against the Lich King to fulfill their vengeance.
Stop complaining about Horde having one extra faction through Tranquilen, Alliance have the Winterspring Faction that Horde cannot do, and it rewards a unique mount only Alliance can get. So it's balanced out.
@@Jediwarlock Nah, real talk Blizz at that time put way more love/Dev time into Belfs. They did Draeneis last and on a time constraint. Which is sad because I loved the Draenei starting zone and the two.isles. especially the Bloodmyste. The dragon quest was cool. But it was easy to tell Belfs got more love. And part of that I think is because they had a lot more lore connection to warcraft than the draenei did as a whole race.
@@Jediwarlock also I like you videos so far keep up the good work. I've been playin wow since its release, and seeing someones first exposure to Azeroth is interesting and nostalgic.
Just so you know you said I the video that the Blood elves and Night Elves worked together in warcraft 3 as part of the Alliance. The Night Elves were never once part of the original Alliance of Lordearon. The High Elves were and the Blood Elves worked under Garithos and the remnants of the alliance for a short time. But the Night Elves never did.
Lets be frank - Chromie Time have ruined WOW as a coherent story telling tool! Ghostlands was always my location of choice for leveling! Any of my Forsaken toons ran to the hidden teleport orb in Undercity to level in Eversong and eventually get to Ghostlands (and you were able to get green/blue gear there faster).
Didn't Draenei have a small faction of Furbolgs to befriend and uncorrupt? And wasn't there some draenei guardian faction trying to clear out Bloodmyst? I distinctly remember them getting a whole questline each. I'm honestly shocked that neither of them got a reputation bar.
Yes! The Stillpine are one of the only uncorrupted tribes still on Azeroth... The Hand of Argus is what you are referring to and yes, it probably should have been a new reputation but for one reason or another Blizz decided not to finish it :(
I think the only problem with that Night Elf theory is that they are openly hostile towards the Blood Elf players. There is no attempt at communication, they attack on sight. Doesn't seem like the actions or behavior of a peaceful group simply on an expedition to restore the land.
Tranquillen rep was added without a Draenei counterpart because Horde was one faction short because they had no equivalent of Winterspring Frostsaber Trainers
See, i tend to think that the night elves WERE up to something. Why didn't they send a diplomatic contingent? I think they are seeing IF the land could be healed and if it could, they would claim it as their own and expand their territory. Tricksey night elves.
I started in BC, but the Horde were my sideshow, i had I think a troll amd a blood elf, I KNOW I did Ghostlands, but I forget on what class. Rogue maybe. But it game be a fairly rosy view of Sylvanus which made me unhappy with Cata Onward.
The whole night elf spying and night elves attacking the blood elves never made sense. I wish blizzard would clarify things because at the time of tbc sounds like it was just a BS reason to not give blood elves to alliance because it made more sense the blood elves would join the alliance over the horde. Even though there was that racist thing that happened to the blood elves.
very cool video and awesome zone I see it with different eyes, but I already liked it before because of Warcraft 3 and the way it is shown in WoW Thanks a lot for your work :D
I've always loved the aesthetic of the Ghostlands and am sad they never really revisited that style. The green notches against the grey trees are my favorite. The blue grass, idk its just nice. I'm also sad we never got another area that looks like the Worgen starting zone really.
The blood elves are rightly pissed at all alliance Remember the high elves called for aid when Arthas came, no help was sent Doesn't matter if they are horde yet And now the alliance sends expeditions to 'heal' the land, more like build a colony on land they let become empty
11:30 Well it sure as hell beats Bloodmyst Isle. Beats silverpine, the Barrens, Westfall, and Darkshore too. Loch Modan is basically the only challenger.
Just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos. I'm very busy with full time work, family and my other hobbies to consider playing WoW again. And besides, even I played again, I don't think I'd enjoy it as much as I think. But this game was apart of my formative years and remembering these quests is heart-warming. So thanks a bunch.
The blood elves are and were. High born night elves should have reached out before settling up to patch up old stories night elves did ke Kick them out for using arcane magic in the first place
I have mixed feelings about it XD There is some lore to support it... buuuttt I know there is also a lot that points to the devs just wanting to give elves to the Horde lol
Honestly, the only time I've ever played Horde in a classic/vanilla private server was a Blood Elf Paladin and those first two zones were some of the best I've ever played. The downside of course being you go straight to the barrens after those two masterpieces -_-
Yes, Blizzard really hit a home run with the Quel'thalas zones! :) The Barrens is just such a big zone it has a lot going on and can be very tedious to travel around especially without a mount! T_T
on the no reason bit at the end, the blood elves are the high elves which if i remember were on on very close to the wrong side in the war of the ancients and pissed off from the night elves around the end of that war, don’t think they parted on good terms and the high elves save for the few in the alliance forces didn’t interact much with the night elves since most of them were putting out fires in the wake arenas invading them
As an alliance andy myself, whenever i'm bored with the game, i play through the ghostlands questlline, i adore the scourge, the belfs and the forsaken so much.
The undead starting zone will always be my favorite, but the blood elf questlines are probably my 2nd favored. I've only played through dranaei, human and worgen on alliance, but I just didn't like them as much; though I can admit a heavy bias playing as horde 99% of my time played.
Amazing video, but I don't understand how you can like the story of Ghostlands. The whole "cramming high elves into horde" plot feels like olympic level storytelling gymnastics in order to enable someones ulteriorly motivated decision. I have played through entire Ghostlands at least 10 times and I dislike it more each time for these reasons.
Ah yeah that's understandable, I think it makes a little more sense to those who have played the Blood Elf story in Warcraft III but it is kind of a left-field choice for the lore.
@@JediwarlockMy man. Of course. I have grown up on and played WC3 many times. High Elves were my favourite race. The mystery, the elegance, the wisdom, and the power. All things which WoW failed to carry over from WC3, turning them into a pop culture reference. While understanding all the gripes high elves "recently" had with humans of Lordaeron, and (less recently) with Night Elves, they had far more with trolls AND undead. Why are they so understanding that these trolls and these undead are not the same that ravaged their land, but not understanding that the whole kingdom of Stormwind is not Gerathos himself, copy pasted hundred thousand times?
Lorewise just no. horde and alliance aggression lorewise started during vanilla bg's and fandral was seeking to make conflict with the horde also those night elves on the island are called SENTINELS which name of night elven military not their druidic fanction or anything else... their military and ghostlands were contested between scourge, forest trolls and belfs so it wasn't abandoned by any means.
I like your thoughts! The elves on the island are hunters and druids, not sentinels, the sentinels are at the camps within the woods. You make a good point though with Fandral wanting to commandeer the elven military... I might make a video about that in the future! :)
@@Jediwarlock Well..... Sentinel army which you played in Warcraft 3 had no Warriors. They had Archers so marksmanship Hunters and druids were sentinel army on war3 had 2 differet kind of druid talon and Claw. Lastly closest what sentinel army had based on Warriors prewow stuff were huntress and even they were short ranged class. Also huge part of founding members and soldiers of sentinel army were sisterhood of elune members while other side created The wardens. WotA novels Even descriped they were Priest with some martial training but mainly used bow and Arrow. also ingame data faction place them in faction called "sentinel spies" even the druids and hunters on the Island.....
The night elf part is weird. I don't think they put too much thought into it. If you were to set up base in Horde claimed territory, in between Silvermoon and Undercity, even knowing you had a truce going you would most definitely send an official envoy first, ask for permission and clarify your intent. Going about it all sneakily is only bound to cause issues, not to mention war.
First of, great video! (It has been a while since I have played WoW so forgive me if I misremember) But in relation to the Alliance/Bloodmyst Isle rewards, I distinctly remember there being a tabard as a reward - I don't think it was part of a reputation, but instead a reward at the end of a long quest chain. Furthermore, I am almost certain it was Draenei only? Again, probably not as cool as the outfits for blood elves in Ghostlands but still wanted to mention it for those who like to collect stuff :p
Thank you! Yes, the Bloodmyst questline does have the tabard as a reward I believe (not sure if it's Draenai only or all Alliance if they do the Bloodmyst main questline). They were SO close to adding the Hand of Argus as a faction (like Tranquillien) and I'm a little bummed they missed the opportunity!
i disagree WHOLEHEARTEDLY witht he "nightelfs want to restore the land" theory, its probably not that the nightelfs want to use the arcane energies, its that they want to make sure the bloodelfs dont do it. they outlawed arcane magic and maiev actually went around semi genocide style and killed any nobles who used arcane magic, so its not a far stretch to assume the nightelfs thought "better we strike and anex... i mean 'restore' the land BEFORE the join the eu... i mean horde"(yes that is a ukraine joke because it fits) the bloodelfs are allready weak in the ghostlands and as they havent officially joined yet if the nightelfs want to secure a foothold in quelthalas NOW is the time to do it, if they get a large force together it could even prevent the horde from letting the bloodelfs join as a group of people who is currently in open conflict with an entire faction is a much less atractive candidate then one who isnt at war currently as one would require and expect immediate military assistance uppon joining in other words they would BRING very little to the horde while EXPECTING alot, meanwhile another group of people who are not at war currently BRING more or atleast equal to what they EXPECT
Great video! :D Your content is without question S-tier! :) The title kinda bugs me though .. Wouldn't the correct grammar either be: 1) "Why the Ghostlands are PERFECT WoW Zones" (plural) or 2) "Why the Ghostlands is a PERFECT WoW Zone" (singular)..? Since Ghostlands is a single zone 2) is probably the correct option. On a side note, I believe it's just called "Ghostlands" (not 'the' Ghostlands). Had the video been on EPL the title would probably have been "Why Eastern Plaguelands is a PERFECT WoW Zone" (leaving out 'the' entirely). Which means the hidden 3rd option ("Why Ghostlands is a PERFECT WoW Zone") is probably the actual answer. But heck, english isn't my first language and I genuinely suck at grammar. So if any grammar-loving person reads this, please don't hesitate writing a comment with the correct answer :) ... On another side note ... leave the title as is. It forces mindless zombies and ghouls from Ghostlands (like me) to comment silly stuff like this xD Feed the algorithm! And keep up the great content :)
Bro the fact that Draenai didn't have a faction thing like Tranquillen messed me up so bad. I kept looking online for thr quartermaster and it's like wow... you leave horde side decked in blues and alliance you have greens and maybe 1 blue item lol!
You make good points! The counterargument to that is that the Alliance has the Wintersaber Trainer faction in Classic so technically the reputations are "balanced" but I definitely feel the annoyance of the Blood Elf/Draenai zones seeming unbalanced XD
The first time I ventured to Ghostlands was on my nelf hunter - one of the things I love about hunters is the ability to track hidden, beasts, humanoids, etc., on the minimap and know what sort of interaction to expect from the color grading. I had been surprised to find the spies near Quel'thalas after having accidentally run through one of the Kal'dorei camps set up and hearing the familiar music there. The music was one that I had already associated with healing... and made me wonder even back then if the spies were there to report to Fandral, who I never trusted. (While I love grumpy characters usually, his overall attitude was highly sus to me, and made me roll my eyes when he did his villain reveal spiel in Firelands. Like, duh, obviously.) So, were they there to heal the land? I think the answer is actually yes... but their mission was hampered by outside forces, namely Fandral Staghelm. Fandral would've interfered by sending some troops to help secure base camps for the druids safety - after all, the druids need to concentrate on the land and that's hard to do if they are constantly having to protect themselves from mindless scourge. Fandral, having selected the troops, would then have been easily been able to place some of his own to act as spies without ^Tyrande knowing about it. I think the fact that there were spies which the blood elves noticed meant that the healing of the land would never have worked because the blood elves reasonably assumed (due to noticing the spies) this was the precursor to an attack. ^Not that I think it would've been hard to do so without alerting Tyrande since she's always been too far up her own butt, but that's just my opinion...... but seriously, she didn't notice Malfurion growing weaker and weaker despite her claims in Legion that she would sit beside him to watch him sleep? ...meanwhile various lower lvl npcs all over the place in the previous expansions were talking about how the druids in the Emerald Dream were in danger, or dying, or dead... oh, but we can't tell her about the druids who had been killed in the barrows because _she's busy..._ which apparently means standing around doing nothing in the Temple of the Moon?😒 Yeah, I'm still a little salty.
EXCELLENT comment! :D ...I've been thinking about this theory a lot lately and I totally agree! With Fandral and Tyrande arguing about the military, night elf society, etc. it makes sense this expedition could have included agents of Fandral along with a more peaceful group of elves. Thank you for your thoughts!
Wow really lol, me and you both went Belf priest. 2 healer specs, one being Disc, and Shadow just looked fun to level as, I enjoyed ghostlands pretty much myself tbh. All things considered though, I don't have heirlooms as it was my first char since starting back, first time on classic, so it was admittedly kinda slow going. I gave up at around 26 and swapped over to a hunter, went from dying twice at level 23 on the 2 patchwerks walking around the zone, and eventually needing a group of 3 to beat them; to soling both while half asleep at level 18
I love how the ghost lands is established, the plots given fit the blood elf lore and established it at the same time before defeating the traitor Darkhan. The build up and establishment of zul Amans existence and the enmity of the Forrest trolls and the pulling of the elves into the horde and the slight it is to the trolls. And the spying of the night elves instead of trying to bring the sindorei into the alliance they try to harm their expansion and friendship with the forsaken.
Hello, I saw your swimming videos and liked them a lot. Maybe you can also try to swim around the ghostlands + eversong woods (or even Quel'Danas), because those zones are seperated from the Eastern kingdoms.
I absolutely love these lore videos. I enjoy the dives you do into the lesser known side of wow while also giving your own 2 cents on some topics and what you think may be happening. Keep it up. You'll be huge one day.
