@@spooky9469 The one in drydock is the same ship that fought in 6-7 battles and nearly at all times was the flagship. Same ship who knocked out the french flagship at trafalgar out of action, same ship that scared away spanish 1st rate principe de austurias out of battle at capte st. vincent, same ship that sunk a boat at hyaeres islands, same ship that captured a frigate Embuscade, same ship that proved to be so legendary
@@wyvern4248 There were six different HMS Victory's with Nelsons famous flagship at Portsmouth being the sixth. An earlier HMS Victory sank in the opening to the English Channel in 1744.
I’m sorry which victory are we talking about? At first I thought you were talking about Nelson’s victory. Then you show a cut out image of a ship type that existed way before victory.
@@No-dy3zk Yes there have been 5 ships named HMS Victory. The 1737 ship sank in 1744. But Nelson's 1765 ship did sink in 1854. Having been a popular museum ship since 1833 she was refloated. In 9 years from now she'll celebrate 200 years anniversary as a museum ship. And she was built from extra well seasoned timber (not unseasoned as stated in the video).
The ENTIRE video is AI generated. No human efforts was involved. when will people understand most youtube shorts werent made or even uploaded by people? RU-vid IS 90% BOTS.
He meant the earlier HMS Victory that was sunk in 1744. The museum one that you can see in Portsmouth was built years later carrying the name. It's you who didn't do any research.
Theres been a lot of confusion over this video unfortunately due to the uploader not specifilying which hms victory was the subject of this video, due to this im not even sure if the creator knows which he is discussing. Hms victory in portsmouth was launched 1765 and saw much service through her career all the way up to around 1814 give or take. She did not sink, and yes she is genuin, the one refered to that dunk was the victory that was before her, she was made of untreated timber and due to vanity of the designer wanting to show off his prowess was given a very high centre of mass due to her having a 4 floor high stern gallery, she was a terrible sailor and very unstable and this lead to her being toppled and sunk in a storm.
The 1765 HMS Victory actually did sink in 1854. It was raised again. By then the ship had been on exhibition for 23 years with 20,000+ visitors annually. The graphics of the video show the 1765 HMS Victory. However, _"im not even sure if the creator knows which he is discussing"_ ...I agree.
There have been a few HMS Victory's. This video is talking about the one that sank in 1737. Although it does show images of Nelson's flag ship at times. Misleading to say the least.
She is by no means a special one. She had been well designed, well built, well equipped, well manned and well commanded. Does anybody need more? An excellent, and lucky ship. May she remain so for centuries to come. God speed and good luck 'Victory'! ♍🇵🇱🇬🇧👍
@@priorhen8105Yeah, because he‘s lazy and didn’t do research. The diagram isn’t from any of the HMS Victories (Victorys?), its from the Mary Rose, which did sink, though not as a result of untreated timbers. It was raised and can be seen at Portsmouth historic Dockyard along with Victory. That being said, non of the 6 Royal Navy ships named Victory sank as a result of untreated timbers.
That's inaccurate regarding her speed. If Victory managed to achieve 12knots, she'd be unable to set all her sails or risk breaking and tearing the smaller ones. More sail does not necessarily mean more speed. The lighter the wind, the more sails required to harness the wind. Strong wind only requires the main sails to harness the power. Victory never sunk either.
the Victory from 1765 never sunk, it was reserved and she became museum at Portsmouth, there is, actually, another shio with the name Victory that is sunk and that victory was found in 2008 in English Channel, so this video is 50/50 right
She'd been a museum ship for 2 decades when she sank in 1854. She was raised again and remain a museum ship. Still, and while the graphics show the 1765 HMS Victory, I'm not sure that's the actual ship the narrator is talking about. I suspect it's the 1737 HMS Victory.
I think everyone is confused about the “she probably sank” part. There are many examples throughout history of ships being sunk and refloated. There were the ships at Pearl Harbor that sunk and were refloated. The narrator suggest that at some point she might have sunk in shallow water and was refloated at some point. I don’t know if that did happen or if the narrator is correct all I know is that it can happen.
HMS Victory NEVER used all her sails for speed. Sailing Large (which is what the practice is called) was never meant for maintaining speed. In fact if it got too windy the crew would have to remove some of them from getting torn up.
My guy is talking about HMS Victory of 1744, but it wasnt bad timbers that sunk her is was the fact that the ship was built to short and narrow whilst being built too high, she sailed into a storm after a battle and sank
I would book a cruise on a recreation built in relatively thin wood, with glass composite reinforcement, and a lead keel......well if I had any money I would; I am so poor, a cruise ship vacation is entirely beyond me.
Predecessor to Nelson’s victory. Ship was the dreadnaught of her time. 1744. 3000 tons. 110 precision bored bronze canon. Caused the French to create the Ocean and Invincible class and the Spanish the Trinidad in the 1770’s the French each 3500 and 5000 tons. With 110 and 120 canon depending on what you define as a canon. These were spaceships that took century’s plan. The Forests and landlords to create the nepoleonic fleets were formed in England in 1540. Because only seasoned, treated hard oak could support the keel of these massive ships. Each tree needed 80 years to grow large enough for the beams. Each boat needed 6 years to build. Each carpenter needed 10 years to train. Each boat needed 150 boat makers and as many labourers again. The various Forestry Commisions responsible for keeping enough oak of the right age, diameter and tonnage was only dispanded in 1910. After dreadnaught killed any possibility of wooden warships. Victory sank because her design flew too close to the sun in a terrible storm. Even now the Type45 destroyers flex and bend their keels in storms with steel. Oak of the wrong specification never stood a chance once weakened by rot.
"Loss of HMS Victory" is a painting of the stern of the 1737 HMS Victory going down. The graphics in the video clearly shows the stern of the 1765 HMS Victory (Nelson's flagship) which actually did sink (and was raised) in 1854.
She didn't sink, actually her timbers were seasoned more than most as she laid covered during the delay in the need to complete her. Think your AI has the wrong ship.
This is misleading. HMS Victory is commonly understood to be Nelson's flagship that fought at Trafalgar and now at Portsmouth Royal Docks. There was an earlier ship of the same name that sank, but the most famous Victory is a museum piece and also, I believe, a commissioned (albeit unused) ship of the Royal Navy.
@@GardenFootCreatureyou are correct, it most likely wouldn’t have. The creator of this video probably confused the two and mushed the differing ships into one…
Impossible. And with her construction being delayed for a year, thus seasoning the timber more than planned, she wasn't built with unseasoned timber. But she did sink (and was raised) in 1854. I still think he is confusing two or more ships.
For being a little colonial power back in the day the US built some damn fine boats and ships.....and yes I know the HMS Victory is British, not American! I like them wooden cuties but love me a Iowa class Battleship💪🏴☠️
Miss information the HMS Victory still is in dock and still part of the naval fleet as today this year period. Hell just google it up the service history .gee's
The HMS victory he is talking about is the 3rd ship to carry the name. It sank in 1744. 14 years later, in 1758, another ship was ordered, also called HMS victory. This 4th one is the one in Porthsmith. None of the images he shows are of the ship he is talking about. It is very misleading
The stern of the ship in the beginning of the video is the 1765 HMS Victory. Her construction was halted for a year thus letting her timber season even more, so it can't be that ship built with "unseasoned timber". However she did sink but when she was nine decades old and had been on exhibition for two decades already. It was in 1854 and she was raised again and remain a museum ship. I suspect the narrator confuses 2 - 3 different ships.
Was just about to post that, As I recall there was a first or second rate the did sink around the napoleonic war that did sink from rotten timber when just a few years old
There was 2 hms victory the first one disappeared in 1744 due to it sinking and was washing up on the channel islands the HMS victory we know was nelson flagship and current sits in drydock
Really? No ship named HMS Victory ever sank due to unseasoned timbers being used. One was wrecked in a storm after hitting rocks, one was burnt by accident, and the others were scrapped after service. In fact, the current HMS Victory owes her long service to the fact that she sat for an extra year or so on the stocks after completing due to lack of need for another 1st rate ship at the time, which allowed for additional seasoning/drying of her timbers.
That is correct, and probably contributing to the ship being able to last so long. I don't believe they used unseasoned timber for that ship. She did sink, however, in 1854, but was raised again.
@@larsrons7937 I would say "after 89 years of service she finally took a break and rested on the seabed at her moorings". Sinking has such a negative connotation. 😂
@@erichammond9308 I like your way of viewing it. Positive way of thinking. And indeed, after 8 decades of service she has been a museum ship since 1833, that's almost 200 years just on exhibition. That ship has my respect.
@@larsrons7937 She's such a beautiful ship, and the only true battleship left in existence. If it doesn't have 3 or more square rigged masts it's not a ship, and if it can't stand in the line of battle, then it's not a line of battle ship aka "battleship" 😁
40 Lashes for this ”creator”. Generally there needs to be a lot more lashes for a lot more ”creators”. If there were, there wouldn’t be as much shit like this produced. Because of the lashes. 40 of them.
Are you talking about 1744 Victory trying to be smart as far as I know a storm and a navigational error was the cause the 1744 couldn't do 12 knots? What are you talking about? 1765 Victory could do 12 knots and never sink
