Why The MCU is Falling Apart | Video Essay 

Yes. Very true. There's another stream series to watch so you understand the next film. Homework is a very good word to describe these new marvel films.

this isn't the problem. The problem is bad writing. "everything is separate" is what it was before the MCU, and it was OK, but not nearly as fun as the first 3 MCU phases and Agents of SHIELD which was basing most of its events on the movies. And that was the best time ever.

homework that people are paying for like lemmings lmao

The crossovers aren't necessarily the problem. The crossovers elevated the pre infinity war MCU and gave it a satisfying interconnected feel, the problem now is that it feels like they're leaning into nostalgia stoking or just purely to setup things that haven't had pay off. I think there's a bit of rose colored goggles here as well. There was plenty of duds and stinkers back then as well. A ton of "Are these actually MCU?" shows that flooded netflix and hulu for one example. (Daredevil is the one exception, but it's also better than anything in the actual MCU, soooo)

Yea it’s “homework” to know about the source material so then you don’t bitch about everyone not being a rich white dude

You know what, that would actually have been really sick! I love the idea of that… though I don’t think the Disney piggy bank agrees. They have to keep making money so they have to keep making this stuff.

The pandemic got them 2 of those years. 😬

Bro that would have been so amazing!!!!

How about hype sunset?

They got the golden goose, they started exploiting it.

Just highlighted the intelligence levels of the writers. I get the message they’re going for but angling it at Bruce to get the point across,like.. really?

lol typical gen z 😂

if you watched She-Hulk, saw Jen explaining to Bruce why her experience as a woman predisposes her to being able to control her transformations, and took this from it, you're seriously lacking media literacy. Jen: Sorry Bruce, but living as a woman instills a baseline level of emotional management that means I’ll never have to work as hard as you did at controlling my Hulk. People like you: so she’s saying she’s had it WORSE than him?!??! No, only a pinhead would think that.

and nowhere in the show does she say she had it worse than Bruce did! Have you even watched it?

​​@@scotty776 she was making direct comparisons of herself and hulk. And shehulk is a shit shoe. Cope.

I agree arcane did an amazing job of having strong female characters that were properly developed and not forced fed down your throat to parrot an agenda.

Meh, arcane looked good. Other than that it is a product, any thing it could say it refused to so that it could be sold to as many people as possible. Arcane is nice but only in the ways its chinese overlords will allow.

@@greenpinapple820 You must be fun at parties

Arcane was pretty good, the writing was excellent and the characters well fleshed out and relatable. Unlike the current state of the MCU.

Why didnt it make money?

THIS! A million times over.

I love that Honest Trailers refers to Disney as *"The Thanos of Hollywood."* So true!

They threatened to sue somebody for putting spiderman on their dead child's grave. Fucking psychopaths. Stan Lee would be disappointed.

Disney even kicked and spat on the grave of Bobby Driscoll the original voice actor for peter pan in that rescue rangers movie.

Disney actually went to the US Supreme court to over-rule the US constitution to allow them to enforce copy right on their products forever.

She is a bit overrated, I'd rather have a new Iron man film than get a new Black Widow film

@@sugar-cube09 he specifically said they should have made it earlier, and I'd say she's perfectly rated if not underrated, I mean how many people do you know that say she's their favorite avenger?

Her Nightmare sequence in AOU was so damn brilliant & personally my favorite! I was young back then and thought “are they hinting towards a dark Black Widow origin movie? I wanted to see her movie ASAP as possible and you can imagine my disappointment

@@sugar-cube09 it was very good movie though lol

The fact that Agent Carter got something before her is nothing but a slap in the face to Natasha. And that show wasn't even memorable or important to the main MCU plot.

Yesss 😩😂

So true sucks really bad

And now it's thor has a daughter and hulk has a son and she hulk dating daredevil like what?

That's something he kinda missed in the "M-She-U" portion. People aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them. Loki, Thor, Hawkeye and Dr. Strange are the big ones because they actively bait and switched us. Advertising shows/movies about a beloved character and then the main character is a female that's 10x better than the stupid and incompetent white man.

@@Scroolewse true but you could argue that they made a stupid amount of content for bitching about those decisions wich creates income for lot of channels and they dont care aslong as they got the attention ergo clicks and money

@@Scroolewse "People aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them." Here, I'll make the correction for what you said. SOME people aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them.

As a person who loved Ragnarok, Love and Thunder was awful, dumb, and pointless. Oh my gosh. the 12th guns 'n' roses reference so amaze balls.

I agree with this Ragnarok is my favourite movie ever and love and thunder was so awful I fell asleep

Ragnarok was a touch of genuine. Good writing and good energy. Had a beginning, middle and end. Fitted in with while Avengers Thanos storyline. Was a brilliant film. Love and Thunder was pointless and all over the place.

@@Happin3ess felt like love and thunder was made just to be made with whatever story they came up

@@windmaster9 the writing wasn't good, the characters seemed flat, the cancer storyline was too real and depressing, it overshadowed the main story. To me the story did not have a beginning middle and end. I wasn't that into it. It did drag for me. I really was expecting another Ragnarok.

Yeah civil war is one of the best mcu movies

imagine thinking the character with the most self-control might kill a character he clearly was only trying to disarm the entire fight. that said, civil war is great, it just isn't Winter Soldier.

Civil War represented peak MCU...but for me Winter Soldier was and still is the best MCU movie.

You didn't find SheHulk's twerking with Whatever The Stallion to heroic and self sacrificing and charismatic?! how DARE you, sir!

This!!! Captain America & iron man had years of build up. Phase 4 is 100% post main campaign bs

Na that’s such a good analogy it really does feel like when you complete the main quest in a rpg and now your just finishing off the side missions where there are some gems but a lot are just filler and subpar content

Doctor Strange will be that focal point I feel.

@@daedriangore9906 he’s Nerfed already

he was a good character himself but I hated everything about Wakanda

@@Scroolewse wakanda was so gay hahahhah

@@Scroolewse EXACTLY SO HOW WITHOUT CHADWICK DOES A SEQUEL WORK YKWIM

@@MadMaximo It doesn't work. It's going to flop. And just a reminder the blue checkmarks are telling non black people we aren't allowed to watch it on opening weekend so we don't take seats from black folx. If you want to be a better ally don't see it at all! Those tickets are for black folx ONLY!

and now RIRI is STRONGER than ironman HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fuck this movie

yes it didnt hinge on the overall MCU plot-line but it also expanded the world a lot and provided some explanations to questions i dont think anybody was even asking about iron man 2. plus it had likeable characters with visible flaws and trauma

that's similar to the reason I enjoyed moon knight, there were minimal references to the wider MCU and, honestly, I don't want moon knight anywhere near the MCU, he's just better on his own.

Until the ending where they fight huge cgi dragon lol

@@katfans7124 but you can't deny that the huge CGI dragon looks cool af

@@delusion5867 it was so lame.

Marvel could have easily recasted the character, but no we need female empowerment and more woke agenda.

@@karandarade4654 is all female lead roles Woke to you?

@@blakebuckley1018 apparently. With what disney is doing I genuinely don’t blame people for seeing that. They’re making every single female lead so bad that it’s now making everything female “woke”. it sucks this is happening.

@@twentysecondcenturywoman yeah guess that’s true but there are some good female leads I did enjoy Kamala Khan

@@blakebuckley1018 wakanda forever is dummy woke wym

That’s what quantity of quality means. They focus on putting too many movies out the writing was mid at best

@Calovary II Yes, I was agreeing lol.

I was pretty disappointed with end game and now I just can't be bothered to watch any of them. I never really watched much MCU and that will remain imo

Now i just watch recap of MCU film 🤣

Dumb new characters at that, who just don’t move needle. Some hero’s don’t translate to big screen, and that’s ok. She-Hulk, Kamala and Cassie are examples. We don’t want them. Kamala comics don’t even do that great. Also, these characters mentioned, aren’t good actors in these roles. Cassie acting was terrible in Antman 3. Kamala is a goofy unserious character. Kate Bishop was fine. Iron Heart is another. We don’t want it.

no more feminist movies

@@fernandomaximotorres a show or movie having a woman as the lead does not automatically make it a feminism movie

@@jupitersnoot4915 it does in the msheu currently movies can hav female lead and be gud lik aliens or every prey recently but writers can't write without puttin toxic feminism just make women even worse and hated

@@sarov7658 you’re cringe when you call a movie series that msot characters are men a MsheU simply cause of some bad female characters and some bad male characters

@@Taz.K They literally show a clip of Shehulk preaching feminism and you are asking why do people consider it a feminist movie.

K.E.V.I.N. That was Feige basically standing on the table, pulling down his pants, and showing everyone his dick. That was the Denzel Training Day “I’m the man up in this bitch! I run shit here, you just live here!” moment. This guy is just an egomaniac with an echo chamber.

And actually insulting women by implying that we're always hormonal.

Because that's that woke bullshit

Why even make it a contest? They should have the hulks bond over stuff that makes them mad.

It's a terrible moment but it definitely doesn't sum anything up

But cis white male bad duh

Nahh they rather choose to make fun abt thors life rather then making him a good character

Spider-Man is the new leader

I thought Tom Holland's Spider-Man was going to be pushed for the next 5-10 years.

Yeah, I watched Love & Thunder and felt that the character had REGRESSED after spending ten years of watching him grow. Then I found out plenty of other people had the same thought.

Yeah the first issue was the bob chapek had become CEO of Disney, he probably made it so that alot of content went to Disney+, and it didn't help Kevin fiege lost the amount of control he had before endgame, as there was rumours after Bob iger came back recently that Kevin fiege was being forced to do some things he didn't want to, which didn't help, as some of the writers got too much control and made the shitty stuff how they wanted it, like for she hulk and thor, I'm pretty sure they got full creative control, hence making it as terrible as they did, which didn't happen in phase 1-3, but now there's some hope that the MCU could possibly get back on track, with the new projects looking of the previously quality that had the fans love it for why they did.

No kidding not to mention remakes. There hasn't been a single new Disney product I've liked/trusted. I half the time now hear "Disney?" And think "bad film." Like I know my little consumer voice doesn't matter, they're still making profit, but like as a brand they're feeling less...quality.

GET WOKE GO BROKE. This mantra has to be mentioned and should be if you use clips from She Hulk. The most ridiculous show that not only shoved it in our faces, but planned the backlash ahead of time. Also, THOR was a complete joke. What would happen if female Thor was bound & stripped naked in front of a crowd? A clear case of double standards that either never crossed their minds OR they did not give a damn.

bang on

Yall mofo dramatic lmao. It aint that deep.

literally what i was thinking. cant be bothered keeping up with half-baked shows. wished they took their time on their shows. :/

Well said. I feel like "I have to watch" rather than "I want to watch"

Too many people treat the MCU like Pokemon. You don't gotta catch 'em all. MY husband of 30+ years has been a comic collector since before I met him. Like most comic readers, he's a specialist on his favorites, and he knows less about -dumber- uh, _less beloved_ titles like The Eternals. We could never afford to possibly buy him ALL the comics and ALL the side quests, and that's how his subscriptions are planned. He subs to just the ones he follows, and he says most of the crossovers are still fun. What I really wanna know is WHEN we're gonna (if ever) gonna get even just a little *ELFQUEST* on the big screen.

It does miss them, but had they not made Thor a joke, had the guardians had a good film come out, had they done something actually good with OG's like Rhodey and hawkeye, had they not ruined Wanda, had Loki been actually good, then we wouldn't be missing them as much.

I wonder if this dynamic was supposed to be filled in with black panther and another major char like Read Richards or something.

I disagree, even if they were still there they would've fucked it up still.

@@Adontheimperfectionist L take🤡🤡🤡

@@young7670 Ima clown? lmfao they would've went this direction regardless, wouldn't have mattered... the whole MCU is going in this direction, 2 characters wouldn't save anything. I want them back just as much as everybody else if not more but Marvel is going down the worst path they could possibly go.

100% agree

So they should wait till were hungy?

@@soulless2169 Actually not a bad idea, MCU is suffering from bloat and overexposure right now. It would better to slow down production and only release a handful on shows/films for a year or two and THEN try to make a big comeback with a fresh slate. It a better option than stringing people along with crap-ton of mediocre tv shows.

50 percent fatigue, 50 percent lower quality content being put out.

Don’t think superhero fatigue is the problem; there are millions and millions of comic book fans who love these franchises and will support it no matter what. The fatigue is coming from poor writing and stagnation, the MCU isn’t trying anything new enough to justify any further following. Eternals tried to be different but failed, and that hurt because I honestly liked the Eternals and appreciated how they changed the MCU’s landscape. What the MCU needs is to bring in well written characters to take the place of Iron Man and Captain America; they need new leaders because right now there aren’t any. Doctor Strange got sidelined in his own movie, Thor is a joke, and Spider-Man just isn’t cut out to be the leader. Also, the MCU needs to drop the leftist politics, this is a big reason why many people aren’t supporting these projects anymore, especially the comic book fans who actually care the most about these projects and will pay the most money toward supporting them.

Unless they go with the Snyder verse I don’t see it going well. He set up Darkseid and The rock had to actually convince WB to keep Cavil as Superman.

dc animated shows >>>

@@versecontro4898 would the aquaman, suicide squad, and wonder woman films fit with the Snyder verse?

@@tomlom69 honestly I tried watching aqua man and both Wonder Woman movies and fell asleep so I couldn’t tell you. I guess suicide squad could if you write it well enough.

after hearing the news that they put James Gunn as CEO of DCEU. Hopefully, they will become better.

Momentum is a key word. They should have kept the continuity but they should've built momentum from the ground up to a peak as in the infinity war. And get some good writers, the dialogues feel waaaaay too dumbed down.

They rushed it cause of Disney plus

They should have ended it.

Would it too much of a cliche to say how already having mutants and the X-men or at least the Fantastic 4, ready to go was the missed opportunity ?

I keep hearing different arguments. Sometimes it's that it's rushed, sometimes that it's not picking up quick enough. It can't be both can it?

This basically sums up why audiences responded so well to Wonder Woman, cinematic flaws and all, but were more split on Captain Marvel. But God forbid you have that relatively common opinion or you'll get labeled every ____ist word under the sun by a small, yet extraordinarily vocal and extremist subset of people.

Is this Fiona from shrek 🤔

Rhea Seehorn in Better Call Saul is an excellent representation of a strong female lead.

A difference that you can’t discern to save your life. As you’ve evidenced here.

@@HeelBJC It quite literally doesn’t though, because both Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel were written the same. Also, you won’t get labeled as said ist words if you simply don’t act those ists.

you only have to concern yourself with the first 20 movies and if needed just read the wikipedia synopsis for a movie you aren't in to.

Agreed. They just don't have the personalities anymore, at least not with the way they've been writing.

its formulaic, like every movie is premade with the same quips, bad jokes and generic CGI noise. It feels phoned in.

how is "every single character" having "the exact same personality"? I see a lot of different individuals from different backgrounds reacting in different ways to different situations. Many of the plot points are pretty formulaic but hey that's expected and has always been the case. Please give examples? I don't see this "exact same" thing at all

@@JamesFaction every single character is comic relief. Hell the most serious character we've had recently was shang chi and I constantly forget that's even a marvel movie because of it.

Totally. They even totally changed Dr. Strange’s personality. He used to be dead serious and highly competent, now he’s a fumbling goofball.

Yeah like seriously what do I look like having to watch video essays to watch a movie

It’s a ploy to get Disney plus subscriptions

OR, just hear me out, maybe only watch the ones that catch your eye? I mean, *have you ever MET a comic book collector???* I don't know any collector that can afford to collect every issue of every title ever published. My husband is a life-long collector of certain titles, but he's not pressured to read EVERY issue the way movie fans seem to feel pressured to view EVERY new MCU production. Nobody with a life can possibly catch all these movies, series, AND the comic books! Most comic book fans are specialists in the specific titles they read and pay attention to. *Nobody expects you to be an expert on all things MCU.* In the end, I think they're just trying to make a little of something for everyone. The Mouse bought this HUGE list of titles. Don't tell me you wouldn't try to make some bank on each one if you were a Disney exec.

@@papuanewguinea7596 Have you ever been inside a comic book store? There are more titles than anyone in their right mind would attempt to claim to have read them all. In a *MULTIVERSE* there are infinite things happening all at once. Unlike Pokemon, no comic book collector can or will catch 'em all. The point is to offer MANY titles that attract MANY different kinds of readers... There are kid comics, adult comics, girl comics, boy comics, boy band comics, and so on... It's a smorgasbord meant to offer something to appeal to just about every possible taste. LOL, in any business, the point is to PROFIT. There's NO SUCH THING as the Disney executive who voted to buy all these MCU titles, and now wants to NOT use them. The bought these titles to USE them. Your use of the word "ploy" is goofy. Exchange it for "strategy," as in a "business strategy." As a long time comic fan, I can recall spending hours of fun talking with fellow comic collectors about how we'd cast each of our favorite characters if our fav comics ever got made into Hollywood movies, and THIS has all been a dream come true except for a few people who can't understand what it means to NOT WATCH EVERY MOVIE EVER MADE UNDER THE MCU BANNER.

@@Sarappreciates Hell, even comics need to "reset" their universes every 10 to 15 years because all these storyline become too convoluted and need to be stripped back down to new(er) origins. And even then, these are screen adaptations, not comics. You can read a comic book in a matter of minutes, whereas movies and especially TV series take at least a couple of uninterrupted hours. Funny thing is you're saying exactly what I'm saying: I don't need to watch these, so I won't. The problem is that Marvel WANTS a steady viewership across all shows and movies, and are making them more and more intertwined to make viewers feel compelled to watch if they want the whole picture, but this strategy just might backfire if viewers go "Well, okay, I guess I don't have to watch all of them". For these adaptations to get sequels and spin-offs there has to be sufficient audience interest (and cash, because that's all the studio cares about) and if you start splintering the viewership that has made the MCU the media giant it is today then you also hurt newer titles coming out like Ms Marvel because the viewers will just prioritize the ones that catch their eyes. Instead of relegating what appears to be a future big name in the franchise to streaming, why not start off phase 4 by giving Ms Marvel her own (origin) movie? Streaming is big (albeit already starting to show the cracks) but it still feels like spreading Marvel properties thin when what made the MCU so popular was that it was a cinematic experience.

I hoped it would when I saw it in cinema.

@@nine-toedsloth7168 I’m sure it did in another universe

When I first saw Infinity War in theater, I didn't jnow there was a followup planned So at the end of the movie I was surprised and quite impressed that Marvel had such a ballsy dramatic ending. Then the friend I went with laughed and told me "nah man, there's the second part coming in 6 months"

One of the most pathetic things about the MCU is when a character dies - you are 80% sure they will come back. If it's not time travel there will be some multiverse explanation for a reset. It removes all meaning from the series.

@@robertwilson3866 just like the comics…..

(SPOILERS FOR BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER, DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!) I think they pulled that deeply personal direction off well, with Shuri reacting to not only her brother's death, but her mother's later on in the movie. Namor (Or K'ulk'ulkan) also provides a great foil to Shuri, who wants to avenge her mother's death.

Then when we love this new gen we can look at an end game like event again

Like they can do it again but they're gonna need to be patient enough for us to fall in love with these new character and give us reasons to ofc

Too bad they didn't do that very well

People think that the stakes are important, they arent. They can make a movie with a villain that can destroy a city, or maybe they want to kill 1 person in particula, but its not about what they can/want to do, its about how they get there, how the story is writen.

He has apparently been said to not care about the superhero genre, so I wouldn’t be surprised if some reason like that affected his care

And Christian bale gave such a phenomenal performance of such a good villain

I think the Thor movie had to be remade half way through it’s creation, remember the whole thing about Thor kissing star lord I feel like it was going to be a very gay movie but because of the outrage from the first trailer it got rewritten and sections refilmed with a lot of rushing to meet the same time line, the final fight just doesn’t make sense to give kids the power and fight for him basically, lots of scenes feel unfinished and the writing just doesn’t seem to line up

The writing is just so bad, they don't believe the audience can read between the lines- they explained all the emotions in way that removed any emotional weight because they don't respect the audience :/

I think they made the graphic design for the movie before they wrote the script. "Wouldn't it be cool if we made Thor 80's glam rock?" Then they mocked it all up, the execs loved it and then tried to fart out a script.

+1 Lots of Marvel fans I argue with tell me to wait for the next big thing, they are always saying stuff like "Oh just wait for the Ant Man film you will get to see Kang , or wait for the next Avengers films" like bruh wtf what am I supposed to do till then? Watch these mediocre shows? lmao

YES!!!

@@jaypaul15 you shouldn't have to see these crappy shows while waiting for the next movie, the movies should be enjoyable without the shows

each movie should be enjoyable by itself without having to watch the other movies

I think that's what people expect and they end up disappointing themselves by trying to look ahead,

its largely because the projects are being rushed so the cgi doesn’t have enough time to be polished

The joke is that he wasn’t even going to be in the MCU. And if he hadn’t been how many of the people bitching in these comments wouldn’t have even watched the movies in the first place. I really think there’s not enough cis hetero white men in movies today! 🤮

It feels like they are just throwing faces at a wall hoping one sticks. Problem is the wall is behind them and they just throw shit back

Fatigue lol yea okay. Thats a made up term with regards to this context.

Can't really blame critics for being "mean spirited" when the MCU itself does the same thing to it's own audience. Case in point: she-hulk.

Completely agree. It's why I am terrified that they are going to bring back daredevil. The way they make their other shows. I think I will pass.

@@bobhotpocket1875 i swear if they are gonna make DD a joke am gonna stop watching MCU.m

@@bobhotpocket1875 I think they'll get DD right. Feige has still done so much right over the course of the MCU. They're doing a lot which means some of the content is going to be mediocre, but we've still gotten some great content between NWH, Loki and WandaVision, and I think Kang as a villain is super promising still.

@@thatstheway2429 I hope they do but the MCU has just been horrible. Hawkeye was laughably bad. Wandavision was boring AF imo. She hulk is just.........no. falcon and the winter soldier wasn't bad but they nerfed the hell out of the winter soldier and that was the main reason why I wanted to watch the show. Didn't really care about falcon.

@@thatstheway2429 fuck no, they're gonna *RUIN* him.

how ever . why not treat super hero movies as super hero movies. for me it doesnt matter that "it went for too long" just go make a movie where you pick lead hero and few other heroes, throw in some bad guy or few bad guys. make epick show of insane power levels and super cool fight scene and thats it you got your self perfect superhero movie. Stop trying to make super heros into romantic movies.

Yep it’s too much and an overload of info and stimulation. Super hero movies were awesome in the early 2000’s before they over did it.

No, this isn't what happens to every franchise that goes on for too long. The idea that "The MCU is popular, so we don't need to put any effort into it" is what makes it bad. If effort was put into the shows they could still be good. Star Wars or Superhero film fatigue isn't real, the content just started to suck.

I never felt that I needed to watch anything else. They make everything ready for consumption even for those who were never caught up. That's actually part of why its not so fulfilling to keep of everything they release.

Honestly 30 hours of a show just to catch up isn't the biggest problem It's 30 hours of a show where you have to go onto wikipedia to see when you should watch them all. It's not like a 900 episode series where you can just sit down and start watching, it's a meandering maze of bullshit. Nobody ever gets this right, hell even the streaming services struggle to handle the way shows are made these days. Obviously making the next game of thrones episodes into a different show makes sense on the surface, but deep down it will only generate the same issues over time, you could literally skip a season of a show because it lists them weird. It takes a lot of effort to catch up with the MCU, at least if I want to catch up on Disenchantment I can just hit the play button and let it run till I'm up to date.

yep Loki, Spodermahn, Dr Weird, Wonda who knows

@@HavokRm I like to view it as a convergance. All of them working in tandem to fuck shit up. Head canon makes more sense anyway.

multiverse storylines are ridiculous.. stargate is the best example of this.. they basically say that only 1% or something of the universes managed to win, etc. but if you think about it, you can just go "oooh this 1 in a billion chance, well this is the 1 universe in a billion where it works!" totally destroys any stakes, they can just do whatever they want and claim it's that universe where that happened. ridiculous. like lets say everyone dies! oh well, it's only this universe, there's an infinite number of other ones. pick one. absolutally destroys any meaning any of it could have. i mean why are Tony and them even dead? why are we even bothering to look at the universe where thanos was born? it's ridiculous; then they're trying to claim, oooh this is the main main universe, over-arching the multiverse. what a cop out. why not just not have a multiverse? why not have a multiverse, above this one, where.. oh it's so ridiculous.

It was stan lee’s cameo

i mean you can piece it together it was sylvie

Yes! There was a precedent for them to fight together. It made sense and we could be excited about it but with phase 4 it’s hard to see them interacting. The end of Shang-Chi promised cross over but nothing seems to be happening with it.

They are rushing secret wars and it’s all gonna fall apart.

You’ve gotta be introduced to the characters before they’re in a film again lol

Now that you talk about it yeah, idk how they'll naturally build a team dynamic if everyone is immediately just thrown in the mix in Kang Dynasty

@@polskillz yeah exactly, it’s nicer that we’ll know and understand the characters before they’re a full on team, which is what happened to iron man, hulk and captain America :)

I think everything, except the kids series (and kids favorites like Spiderman) should be R rated. Teenagers will watch them anyway, like I watched Terminator as a child without anyone telling me it was for adults. I don't get those ratings honestly, they are mostly invented by purist mothers who are very sex negative and think that implied sex, like a couple going to bed together, the next scene they are waking up, should be R-rated, when in reality kids who are too young to see that, don't even understand there was anything sexual and kids who are old enough, well, they watch it anyway or have sex themselves. I've even heard that someone wanted to make Jojo Rabbit R-rated, not because of Nazis and war, but because a boy kisses a girl, even though it is a very typical kiss in kids movies, nothing with tongue. Essentially, almost any R-rated movie is suitable for kids over 10 in my mind, some even for younger kids. I think it is a weird American thing to give anything that has romance plot a R rating and avoid sexual topics when it isn't even necessary, because too young kids won't understand anyway or if they do, they see it as a boring and adult thing. Obviously I don't mean movies like Beach Bum that has very vulgar sex scenes, but most movies are neutered already, even if they are R rated.

@@analogueapples Barely read any of this but this’ll never happen

Her clothes are like pixar animated movie clothes. just pure 3D.

Yes. Shrek hulk is a tragedy

Its a show made for women, obviously. Why are you watching it?

it's a show. not a movie

@@powers_media they never said it was a movie?

Correct and done the best way.. With one series like Marvel's Agents of Shield pulling things together in the results of the movies..And it was on TV everyone could watch not streaming on pay for views...ABC a ownership of Disney also.. But problems that the movies wanted nothing to do with the series...And the series just followed the movies of what happened around the movies.

@@nativemrv19722 agents of shield was terrible

@@loganpraz2566 Your opinion ...I loved it...

@@loganpraz2566 I always found that the marvel TV shows would normally start off good then decay into low budget public television dribble

@@jimboslice1383 Thors Lady J and Nick Fury all showed up on the show...Marvel needs shows everyone can see...Not everybody see those streaming shows..I know you must pay to see them ..

woman cook and raise man fight and die done

I’m sad to see your inner misogyny coming above

@@pladapus8968 sexist moment

@@miguelcisneros1825 you look like a worm is crawling out of your urethra in that selfie

@@miguelcisneros1825 If a man wrote this, is it still "inner misogyny" or just "misogyny"? Is there "outer misogyny" as well?

you had to do that in phases 1-3 as well doctor strange was mid but you needed to watch it to understand a lot of context about infinity war or incredible hulk and avengers

That's exactly how my dad feels about MCU. Why should anyone have to sit through a ten-hour mediocre (or worse) show for a two-to-three-hour movie that turns out to be just as bad? It feels better to cut and run.

@@tenzinplays2k138 I’m not sure about that. I’ve never watched incredible hulk and I barely remember Doctor Strange. Avengers is pretty important though.

"important concext" my guy its time for u to adress some priorities in ur life lol. dont be a geek.

@@alpha-cf2oi Says the one who has low effort grammar. 🥱

It's like cooking. The first Three phases were carefully crafted, elegant lamb shanks on top of couscous and served with a delectable Caesar salad. The last batch of movies are just microwaved Salisbury steaks, with grainy mashed potatoes and clammy green beans.

I thought most of Phase 4 was medicore or bad, but Thor Love & Thunder very good. Felt as fun as the previous Thor.

Like, wtf was up with homosexual rocks?

@@SqueeblesMcklooflin they did that correctly wdym. What they didn’t do correctly was the power scaling between lady Thor and actual Thor.

The comic book was absolutely amazing, if they could just follow the storyline of the comic book, that movie would’ve been epic

Worse than that what if was actually good cause it was what the entireity of phase 4 should be

@@ethannorton564 haha that’s true actually. What if was much better. It hasn’t been all bad though. Spiderman, Shang-Chi, Loki, Dr. Strange, and the Werewolf by Night were all okay imo. I have high hopes for Black Panther.

@@bigheadrhino agree with all but Dr strange but yeah we're on the same page fingers crossed for wakanda forever

@@ethannorton564 haha yeah I almost wrote a cabeat for Strange. I personally liked the campy horror theme but I can see how it’s not for everyone.

I felt this exactly. I liked Shang Chi a lot too because of it's lack of envolvement. It's imperfections shrank in comparison to the bloated Multiverse of Madness.

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I liked it but it kinda lost me after half the season. Finished and still enjoyed it. Can´t really put the finger on what exactly bothered me. Still 1000% better than anyting else Marvel made that time tho.

I was about to comment this!! Not enough people give MK credit. It's a great story with such good characters and story. Its the only MUC season 2 I'm looking forward to!

Same 💖

Oh wow, women have been watered down onscreen, been made to be the damsel in distress, can never handle things themselves and need a man, all to make the male character look better on screen since tv began. Join the fcking club, sucks when the shoe is on the other foot now? Cry some more lmao

Lol They aren’t feminist movies, they are appearing to be feminist movies just to cash in on the day. It’s not like any of the movie companies actually have a strong progressive ideology, or anything, they are just following the cash train which ever way they need to until it changes in five years and they go that way instead. It’s just like any company getting behind a cause, the majority of the time they aren’t getting behind a cause, because they actually believe in it and want to spread its message or ideology, they are getting behind it for the optics of getting behind it to help their own business.

Yep! Always complains about mansplaining, but then tells the guy what they're doing wrong or how to do it.

The creation of the word "mansplaining" in and of itself shows the fundamental madness that has afflicted much of the Western world. But, no worries, the Chinese will pick up the torch after the self-destruction of the West.

@@num1Jaysta ok incel, cope harder

Bruce’s area of expertise isn’t anger management. His area of expertise is more “managing a mental illness (either Borderline Personality Disorder or Dissociative Identity Disorder, with the comics version being DID and the mcu version implied to be more like BPD) that interacts with his superpowers to result in a rampaging hulk and a meek Bruce banner”. He had a sample of one, assumed his shit generalized, and refused to reassess whether his approach was truly necessary even after she demonstrated a level of control it took him 15 years to develop inside of a week. And, frankly, given his intelligence and his experience with superpowered individuals, his continual insistence that she needed intensive treatment came off as mansplaining. I don’t think his driver was so much sexism as it was shame at realizing that his manifestation of Hulk powers was about his own defects and not his accident. But I do think if his cousin had been a man and otherwise presented identically, a realistic depiction would show him taking the man’s word for it much more quickly. Shit, he didn’t even consider the possibility that her being a woman alone could alter her response to the gamma stuff. There are like decades of flawed assumptions continually made by smart people based on studies of men wrapped up in that. Bruce wasn’t being portrayed as a bad guy there, or acting out of character. He was just acting like men act when it comes to women challenging their authority or expertise. And he recognized, eventually, that he was in the wrong. Because he was way in the wrong.

​@@dROUDebateMeCowards I mean yeah... sure. She's totally in control, especially when she almost hulks out and murders some dudes who dared say something to her. So much control.

Doing Thor like that was the worst move they could have ever made

The MCU also used to have a goal in mind. Right now, the "goal" is "the message" aka "women are so good, they can do no wrong, fuck men" which She-Hulk is deeply infected with.

@@gezenews Nope, missed the point. Spider-Man wasn't the focal character of the MCU, back then. Not Star Lord, not Hawkeye, Iron Man. He was the one driving the plot forward, and that's what made him the main character. Arguing that he's fictional, and therefore his actions and motivations were written for him is irrelevant. All the characters are fictional. Not all the characters drive the plot of the entire MCU forward.

Nailed it.

Much as I don't really agree with what you said about iron man driving the story forward, I do agree that's the Cruz of the issue. Most of these characters seem to be reacting and not driving the plot forward.

Eternals had SOOOO MUCH POTENTIAL its crazy

Yo harry styles was in that show???

Agreed. A lot of people were way too harsh on it. Eternals had great characters and (what looked like) an awesome storyline, but they really fucked up by trying to cram everything into one movie. They should've just gone the Moon Knight route and made it a mini-series.

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. First: It's a movie Second : Yes he was in the post credit scene

fr everything eternals could not fit in 2 hours

Even then the movies are worse than the first of the shows at this point

disney bought marvel in 2009. it's the shitty writers throw jessica gao out of the studio I swear.

They had for Thor: Love and Thunder.

@@Traumglanz thor love and thunder was awful ://

They have a few artistic creators…in the animation department But their corporate meddling kept season 3 of Matt Braly’s Amphibia from reaching its full potential, and it also kept Dana Terrace’s The Owl House from getting a full 3rd season, instead shortening it to 3 specials We need to invest more in the creative freedom of these passionate creators so that they can tell great stories that reach their full potential

@@Kujin364 I loved it

That's exactly what has me so chill about Phase 4 taking its time. Like, this is exactly what I like about Marvel in the first place. I'll never read every comic, and I'll never watch every MCU project. You don't have to, it's an entire Universe for a reason. The fun part is when your favorite arc crosses a friend's favorite arc. Let the stories meander a little bit. I will say, I wish we had more variety in the genres of the projects. I hope the upcoming launches commit a bit more to a niche style that compliments the character.

@@SkilletTRO 100% agree, it will build into awesomeness!!!

@@daniellenihan9832 yup. Just wait until Avengers Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars come out. It will probably be the most hyped movies of all time

This is a perfect way to describe it. We love the comics and watched them descend into event/crossover oversaturation. The movies followed that sad trend.

They also forget that most of those heroes we love from MCU had pretty bad introductions. Captain America 1 was bland Thor 1 was bad and thor 2 is the worst MCU Movie out. They all grew over the years into what we love. These characters all have had better intros than over half of the old guard.

i'm thinking that there's no fucking way in hell they're gonna make deadpool 3 pg-13, remember that the whole development-hell of the 1st deadpool movie was just someone trying to make it pg-13, it finnally got made, it was rated R the 2nd deadpool movie was rated R and they were awesome, the delay between the 2nd deadpool movie and the 3rd is just figuring out how to fit deadpool into the MCU after Disney bought Fox

I think Phase 4 is somewhat intended to make you feel that way. The stakes were lowered but the world expanded. Almost everyone is seperated from one another. They're sitting us down so when things start ramping up again we'll be out of our seats. I love the MCU but it is certainly not without it's faults but I think there is some method to the madness. And considering what we know is coming, things are only going more dramatic.

Oh it's gonna have a unicorn alright, but it's gonna be rated R and covered in *****

Deadpool would never allow that

You're not a casual MCU fan lol. No casual would speak about the MCU like you just did

Interesting. I saw Thor 2, Ironman 2 and 3, The winter Soldier, and each left me with a real "meh" feeling. Same is true of Eternals, No Way Home and Thor4. MOM and Shang Chi were both outstanding, up there with Guardians, Ironman and BP

@@mr.wilson2395 I'd argue about MoM being anywhere near to Iron Man or Guardians. It was pretty bad imo. A wasted multiverse concept supported with showing purposeless new characters just for fan service.

Eternals be like

I always enjoyed them for what they were. Other than a few really strong entries, they were fun schlocky blockbusters. I kept that sentiment with every MCU movie I bothered watching until Thor 4, which was everything I hate about MCU movies and modern Taika Waititi rolled into one big package

@@mr.wilson2395 the winter soldier seriously left you with a 'meh' feeling?