Why the Modern Sonic Stories Just Don't Work 

I'm guessing it could work with either the cutscenes being flat and uninteresting or the game as a whole being linear. Personally I sorta took it as a joke about the game itself being linear, which got a good laugh out of me.

SONIC BETRAYED US?!!!

SQWAK!!! What a rip-off!

Plus there's so much automation in Forces...

That joke had me dying!

yeah! he still is one of my favourite characters today because i liked his story and gameplay

It's funny how a Robot had more complexity than the entirety of the Sonic cast.

E-102*

It was awesome. That's how you do a side character.

E-102 Gamma gave me my 5th favorite character in the entire franchise after Tails.

100% agreed

In retrospect, I came to appreciate the Adventure games story wise for how they nail a balance of lighthearted and high stakes while still being sincere about it. It's basically the step forward after Sonic 3 and its ambitious storytelling for early 90s 2D platformers. Also in general, it's one of my favourite concepts as a storyteller/writer. Make a property that looks all goofy, sweet and comedy-driven on the outside only to subvert expectations by revealing the inside. That inside being something mature and serious that doesn't needlessly talk down to children.

Even then, Shadow the Hedgehog has better pacing than meta era.

Yes, those games are the best!!👍

@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 I agree; I think that that's probably the perfect way to describe the tone of the Classic Sonic games as well; the idea of a cartoon blue hedgehog going fast and stopping an obese mechanical genius who stuffs small animals into robots sounds pretty goofy, and it is to some, but they still made it clear that Eggman (or Robotnik if you prefer, I don't) truly was a vile person and legitimate threat (especially in the first game for the former with Scrap Brain Zone and latter two with the Death Egg), which gave them some darker elements, not to mention the story of Sonic 3&K. When you think about, SA1 really does feel like an evolution to the Classics not just in the gameplay, but the story, which feels like they wanted to take it further than 3&K ever could've, and SA2 was clearly made to take what SA1 did right and run with it while removing what didn't, and that's definitely true with the story.

best quote

Ironic considering what Disney prioritizes now.

The only thing your implying is that the target audience of sonic should be reversed.

@@invader8491 No, it’s actually treat your audience with respect. The best children’s story authors follow this philosophy. Why else are Disney, Nintendo, Cn and Nickelodeon so successful and have a lot of adult fans?

@@RealHyperHedgehog facts so true the best Sonic games I still love Sonic adventure and Sonic adventure 2 hell Sonic heroes and even better Sonic unleashed did light hearted moments than recent Sonic games. I even go as far as I love Sonic 06 more than recent Sonic games.

They are stupid

@@EthanBradburyVlogs boi

The marketing vs the actual content of Sonic Forces was just like: "Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half."

Holy **** finally people realise kids aren't just retards

AustinAKR Most of the time.

That was a thing since Unleashed fyi.

Tails 1999 facing up to the nuking of Station Square - It's up to me! I'm not scared, I'm not scared! I can DO this! Tails 2019 facing up to Chaos 0 - Sonic, help me!!

to play devil's advocate here, I imagine watching the guy you look up to getting the shit beat out of him and then the entire world taken over would leave someone in a fairly emotionally vulnerable state. then again, that'd be giving the writing team too much credit

Sjono there’s a theory that tails was depressed about the war and had low self-esteem to fight chaos 4 but if this theory was true..SEGA/Sonic Team have depicted it so wrong :(

joweechao well in sa2 tails thought sonic had died and he was sad but he knew that he couldn’t give up and sonic would want him to finish what he started and then he kicked eggmans ass

Tails sounds really dumb, though.

Eggman*

@@TheSherriea1 Dr.Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, then.

Or “You fool... away, before I make mincemeat out of you” from the end of Tails’ story in SA1. Definitely agree about eggman

@@SuperNardful He sounded menacing there

I mean at least I can laugh at Family Guy

@@flipside2086 Even the bad episodes

black knight’s characterization of sonic is so fucking good and it’s a spin off game. it makes me wanna cry ngl. unleashed is the best mainline characterization weve seen for sonic though

@@deanmoriarty6015 Fuck yes, I occasionally go back and watch all the cutscenes on YT. Can confirm Satbk had one of the best stories.

The storybook series was an interesting idea, too bad that it was cut short.

Black Knight is probably the most underrated Sonic game. I loved it.

I may have disliked the gameplay initially but the stories themselves? They were pretty badass. I loved what they tried to do and even if they're generally seen as meh games, I wish there had been a third one to wrap things up. Like how cool would it have been if we had gotten one set in Ancient Greece, built around Greek mythology with Sonic as the embodiment of Hermes? One can only dream.

Nobody is supposed to take a story about a blue talking hedgehog with superpowers seriously

Yes but the game acts like it’s super important, but the writing and characters don’t back it up.

An exception i can think of is devil may cry but on the whole yh i agree

Yep

that's how i feel about the star wars sequels. i hate that Poe has joked to the villains faces at the opening of ep 7 and 8 so far

Yup, isnt that dumb?

ikr I was "whaa?"

yeah, that actually made no sense

That line had me dying with laughter. There's just something about how he says it and the timing of when he says it

@@gamingtmans6692 it’s so over dramatic and over the top 😂

Kind of unrelated but I just imagined Tails saying, "L+ ratio" or something like that in the next Sonic game. Given how he said "True Dat" in Forces, I won't be surprised lmao.

@@undeadbatman9762 I'd actually laugh. I would not be able to hold back

BigBossMan538 watch out m8, you may get some flack for saying that.

It's still the best thing Roger Craig Smith has said as Sonic

Unlike Sonic I don’t chuckle

BigBossMan538 so dumb

Leopold Litchenstein personally, I prefer: “Oh hey, sounds like the party's started. Want to let me go and join in? No? Of course not, you hate fun.”

I think a big part of it is them not knowing how to approach the series in a 3D space. They had something going for the Adventure games, they just needed more polish and less filler gameplay styles. But that was ruined with 06. Then they had something else with the Boost gameplay in Unleashed, and made some steps to evolving it in Generations, nearly perfecting it, and possibly even leading to more sandbox styled Sonic games, only to take so many steps back with Forces. The Sonic franchise changes gameplay styles more than a girl changes clothes, so instead of letting something stick and polishing it to the best it can be, they end up throwing ideas at a wall, and never having the guts to just go all out with a game. Lost World, I can commend them for, as they basically predicted that people were probably sick of the Boost formula, but they STILL didn't allow that game to reach its full potential because of the tube level design, 2D sections, and the weird gravity stuff.

Ben English If only Sonic '06 had an extra year in the oven, it could have been something better

I've never been a big fan of Colors and Generations, I felt Unleashed handled the boost gameplay far better, personally. However I can't deny the positive effect it had on Sonic in general, and I definitely agree on SEGA's poor handling of their property. Sonic Team has these ideas of what they want to do, and a lot of them are interesting, but the man upstairs just rushes it out as fast as possible, and while I've enjoyed a lot of the titles many look down upon, this frustrates me to no end.

Generations was never really meant for a big story. It was meant for a big celebration for the 20th Anniversary with two different Sonics in one game and previous Stages.

That's debatable. Just because it was a celebration of the 20th anniversary doesn't mean a big story couldn't have been told. They just took the laziest route possible by not doing anything with the premise they set up.

That’s kind of the reason why I prefer the Super Mario RPG’s (The old ones) instead of The mainstream Mario games. While I grew up and still love the mainstream Mario games, it’s more or less just been the same “Bowser kidnapped the Princess” routine, so besides games like Galaxy or Odyssey, there’s no real stakes being raised because we know Mario’s gonna win regardless because we’ve done it before. Now I’m not gonna pretend that games like Paper Mario TTYD, Super Paper Mario, M&L: Partners In Time, or M&L: Bowser’s Inside Story have the same “The Princess has been captured” cliche, but DAMN were there high stakes! Because it gave us more motivation to stop the villains other than the Princess has been kidnapped again, The Shadow Queen’s awakening, The Void consuming all, and Cackletta and Fawful taking over the world were a great driving force and they had some serious tones but it never stepped itself away from kiddy light-hearted comedy or fluff and never took itself too comedic to the point where it becomes boring or too serious to the point where it becomes too needlessly edgy. Oh and let’s never forget the awesomeness of Super Mario RPG: The Secret Of The Seven Stars (also their self-awareness jokes are much more well done than Sonic Lost World)

@Amy : I'm going to ask Sonic for a date. What you gonna do about it???

I remember being genuinely scared when playin through Green Forest for the first time. Like, if my goal shifted from anything other than "get to the goal ASAP" everything would blow. Little did little me know that the time they give you is plenty to get through the level and get all the stuff

Honestly I feel the same way when I finished forces I felt...... nothing unlike in adventure 2 or heck even 06 cuz ATLEAST in 06 they acted like themselves and shadow had a really good story in 06 even later on in unleashed that had a good narrative despite it being more light hearted it’s disappointing as someone who’s been playing sonic as far back as I can remember

@@PoochieCollins Bruh

Until Sonic Frontiers, they bringing back 2000s instead of 2010s.

P.sure only Sonic’s zoomer fans care about that

I kind of miss when games used to take themselves seriously and not mindlessly pander to fans with nostalgia and memes up the ass. The series is now becoming AOSTH and yes even Forces has these elements as painful as it is to say that. But the games aren't supposed to be AOSTH. They are meant to be their own thing. When I see Orbot and Cubot I just see the robotic chicken and mole minions from AOSTH. They are dumb idiot comic relief villains that serve Robotnik. Need I say more.

Yeah, about projared...

@@Lucas-dy5mt His career is now a dumpster fire.

@@warioland523 broken marriage/10

The reason he's a cool villain is cause he's goofy but he can do a complete 180 and scare the absolute shit out if you with how dark he can get

Nope, it's not bad. I want it too.

The last time for me that Eggman was truly threatening was when he destroyed the world in Sonic Unleashed.

Watch the animated series. That's only time Eggman is actually scary.

@@obd9660 unleashed and adventure games are a great mixture of a evil and silly eggman.

Oh man did they butcher Team Dark. I hate that people think they are Edgelords and how they always write them as assholes. Even in 06 these three had great development together.

IMO, here are some good depictions for Shadow: -SA2 -Battle -Heroes -SX (Sonic X) anime -'06 -Black Knight (since he was a playable character) And here are the worst depictions: -Generations (he's just a cheerleader) -Boom -IDW (it's not Ian Flynn's fault) -TSR

@@tiruliru1189 06 was ironically the worst for everyone but team dark

@@tiruliru1189 I’d say Shadows own game should be on the worst depictions list. That fuc*ing game is the reason he became a joke and edgelord (because Izuka wrote it and not Shadows creator Shiro Maekawa, and Izuka decided to butcher the character).

@@Puyopuyotsu Ik this was a year ago but whatever. I think they did a good job with Silver and his story. He is driven to save his world and make the world a better place, but he is also naive. And him having to sacrifice Blaze and defeating Iblis was a pretty good moment and completely changed him.

Sonic forces spoil Green Hill Zone dies .

"heY gUYs, rEmEMbeR tHiS???!?!"

poisson multi-taches “Green Hills looking more like Sand Hill right now!”

To be honets thanks to that im kinda hating that level. I mean its not bad its just overused and kinda annoying in a way.

In SA2 it was understandable. We hadn't seen it in 3d yet and it's the first time they ever did that. Even in generations I can completely understand. In every other game it's completely unnecessary.

I actually like 06s story tbh.

The Iranian Liberal different strokes for different folks I guess

Completely agree with ya! I haven't played all the sonic games but when I played sonic unleashed, the graphics were beautiful and I was expecting an amazing game because the whole idea of a werewolf sonic was cool... but the gameplay wasn't and I don't know how they couldn't' see it unless they just didn't play their own game.

Nice work on exposing the false contrasts Sega made going from Sonic 06 to Colors! Oh, and that Nintendo Power interview sounds so unfortunate. Like, I get they're listening to the fans but they really need to learn how to prioritize what elements are essential for a good game

Umar Tahir and the Sonic community is so fractured for every fan they please there will be 1 or 2 they piss off

That bad, huh?

They say people don't know what they want until they get it.

unpopular opinion: 06 is the best sonic game.

@@dapperfan44 I agree a sonic 06 story would be bad

@@chkavm2988 It's at least my 3rd favorite with Colours and the first game being at top. Without Sonic '06, Blaze and Silver wouldn't be in the games or at least their universe wouldn't and I adore the changed tone and theme the games had at the time following Shadow the Hedgehog's foot steps

That's why people love Kung fu Panda and Shrek (2 specifically)

@@sezunemizuhana3870 shrek and kung fu panda had darker and more ambitious memes than the sonic movies as silly as they look or feel

@@arturocastroverde3349 Yup, but considering Sonic Movie is live-action/CGI Hollywood movie this is one of the best options we could have gotten

@@sezunemizuhana3870 kung-fu panda 2 literally starts with a genocide

Im kinda amazed how quickly people's opinion on the movie changed.

I think that if they gave that game more development time (at least a year) and spent that time polishing the gameplay, not try-harding so much with the story, and maybe just eliminating Elise from the story entirely, the game, as you said, would've been revered as the best Sonic game of all time and sent the series down a path for the better. Basically, if they didn't rush it for a holiday release, it could've been much better to say the least.

@@JohnSmith-mk5jt definitely, they should've just been realistic and disregarded the holiday release becuase the positive financial impact of releasing on a holiday is far outweighed by the negative impact of releasing a broken game

@@JohnSmith-mk5jt agreed

Agreed. I genuinely believe the franchise would’ve probably still been as relevant and loved as the Mario franchise still is if 06 was a great game, but the game made the franchise hit rock bottom.

@@Kingnorm04 I wouldn't say as relevant as Mario, but it would definitely be better than it is now, by the time 06 came out, Sega's last console failed, making them have to put out their games onto other platforms.

The day they appeared, I didn't like them. Same goes for super mario odyssey rabbits.

They looked like the came out of Space Jam.

Which is another reason why The Deadly Six made Sonic Lost World less than good.

@@Asakedia Oddysey rabbits? The fuck do you mean?

Oliver Xu The Broodals

Agreed

Holy shit, yes. It's not Mania fault, but I cannot stand how so many people are so quick to use it as a platform to bash other Sonic games.

What “platform” means in this case is “excuse”. And this is exactly why I’m a fan of this video!!

Exactly!

Just a little correction "Without using Mania as a platform to bash anything that came out after Sonic *2* ", people who suck dry the classic games and Sonic Mania forget that Sonic 3 exists

I have no faith in sega. I hope that shadow is not the arrogant rival in the next game

well... better late than never... I do wonder what Ian's take on the stories would be like if he did get a chance to write the stories sooner...

I pray Ian Flynn wasn't the main reason the story was bad.

Me too I always loved Sonic stories.

In your opinion? Bro thats a fact lol. But jokes aside, Yeah I agree. After Black Knight, Sonic games felt.....pointless for me. The only game I can forgive after BK for not having a decent story is Gens. Others were full of cringe and had NO excuse for such an Stupid writing imo.

That's because Sonic has matured and became wiser, until the 2010s writers removed that and made him immature and not wise.

What about Colors DS?

Every world has its ends, i know this is sad but thats why we live our lives to the fullest, well thats what i think -Sonic (sonic and the black knight) 😂😂😂😂baldy nosehair!!! Thats the best thing i heard all day -sonic(sonic colors)

I must respectful disagree. Boom is very immature and annoying. The Archie and IDW sonic comics are better.

@The main cause of warps in all of reality we because i did too.

Also fire everyone and hire actaul pros who know what they are doing and don't rush them and leave them too it also make sure they are very familiar with the seires as a whole.

Exactly. And need to be written better.

Nah, adventure arc needs to come back.

They took Sonic and made him Goku

Sonic has been going downhill and can’t be taken seriously anymore. RIP THE “SERIOUS DRAMATIC SONIC ERA” 1999-2006

I hate self aware jokes in general. You aren't trying to fix problems, you're telling people that you think your actions are jokes. That's pretty much why I hate Game Theory. He even has a video where he says that you shouldn't actually take his theories seriously. If they aren't theories, what are they? Clickbait?

@@lamegamertime for fun

@@tlk2ty That's what some conspiracy theorists say about *their own* conspiracies. Specifically the one about how "You accidentally swapped timelines." The person who made it says "It's just fun to think about." You can't act serious and then say "It's just a prank bro!"

It is, more emotional and truly sad.

Debatable, I’ve seen people call Sonic 06 the sonic game with the best story

@@zaikage386 those people are either trolls or degenerates. i try to respect opinions, but jesus christ.

@@starlightrains *Why do I feel attacked because I think that sonic 06 has one of the best stories?*

@@Tara191 Sonic 06 actually has a great idea for a set story and in some parts really works, but there were the issues that plagued the game and made it bad, it's just a game with lost potential.

@@skibot9974 and that one was awful Their doing such a awful job at locailzation too

WerehogFan18 I also miss hearing Ryan Drummond voicing Sonic.

@@SuperSonicWarrior93 I miss ALL of the SA1 cast. Even though many of them can't physically reprise their roles for various reasons. They might've not turned in the most sterling performances, but that was never on them-they honestly tried and it showed. And the sounds of their voices were DEAD. FUCKING. CENTER. They just needed better material: less generic and redundant. Well, it WAS on you if you were playing an Echidna. :

Carbon Roller Caco They got better in SA2 and Heroes.

@@SuperSonicWarrior93 Well, duh; they'd gotten that better material.

Carbon Roller Caco I didn't say that to point the obvious. I say that as further proof that SEGA should've really held on to that cast.

@@NintendoDude888 Listen here, I''m a Gamer and a real Gamer knows that SA2's ending was awesome. It's a Gamer Fact.

@@NintendoDude888 it's a Gamer Fact buddy.

GamingGuy800 How are the flashbacks pointless? there meant to give context to the incident on the Ark that fueled Dr. Robotniks vengeance against humanity as well as Shadow characterization.

GamingGuy800 Says the Soniclieber.

GamingGuy800 do you not appreciate a good story?

Sega would never do that because they're allergic to good decisions.

I respect that decision, but can you at least bring some characters from that era and make them good? Because there is missed potential in the 2010s games too. Time Eater has a cool design but is terrible as a character and he needs a good backstory (being a fragment of Solaris would be very cool). And Infinite also has a cool design but has a shitty backstory and a shitty character.

@@undeadbatman9762 Oh for sure. There are characters I genuinely had interest in like the ones you mentioned but the awful writing is what ruined it. With Pontac and Graff gone I really hope they step up their game in the storytelling department.

@@megaman15ish Agreed

@@megaman15ish Could you also give a better version of 06?

I can answer those too last ones. Cause they were cool characters, not because of the stories.

@@captainmega6310 And don't their stories contribute their coolness?

@@yungmuney5903 Absolutely not Sliver, Shadow is arguable

I really don't think I would like Sonic as much as I do if the stories in those games didn't have the heart that they did. Even if the gameplay was 10 times better. Think that's why the meta era is so disappointing to me.

@@rennyforyourthoughts8023 Same here.

@@jurassicmat9793 i mean he is not wrong

I know that the stories after Sonic and the Black Knight were not very good but you mean like sega fucked the modern sonic in general ... when it was not like that

@Tal Ken Unleashed.

*How critics fucked Sonic

How the fanbase became infamous

Great speech on Sonic Unleashed HD!!

Adventure, Adventure 2, 06, and Black Knight's were better executed.

sonic unleashed wasnt that dark, but i felt it was how to execute a more light-hearted story while still not dumbing down the charicters.

Secret Rings too. And Frontiers too now.

@@jimjoejoebibijon8362 I mean... Sonic were more reserved in Unleashed... That was darker for the story...

I think it's fine to throw in some clever jokes or puns every once in a while. Just make sure they're actually good and like you said, don't do them EVERY FIVE SECONDS

@@louiepikmin3184 IKR!

Other is fans with way too different opinions on what Sonic is

@@joaofilipegracaferreira7375 that too

There's nothing wrong with telling jokes every five seconds... if it's a ZAZ movie. But ZAZ movies were like that from the start - The Naked Gun didn't start out as a serious detective yarn, it was a parody through and through. And also ZAZ movies were consistent with their characters and their world, as absurd as it was. Also they were actually goddamn funny.

Shiro Maekawa and Hiroshi Miyamoto are the best writers in Sonic history.

@@Kuzamer And Kiyoko Yoshimura.

@@bunsmasterbunny Not to me.

If they reboot Dreamcast Era Sonic and do it right, ie as it was in the DC days, that is IMO what modern Sonic should be. Its far too "targeting a younger age group" now. A little too Nintendo IMO.

The series _is_ pretty much rebooted; Unleashed’s an Adventure 1 rehash with Sonic hogging the stage.

well.. its game boy advance but it doesn't matter

Truth !

NO-

James Belmore the Nostalgia Kid Yes, you idiot

It's one of my favorite Sonic stories, every time I see the ending I come close to shedding a few tears. I also highly agree on how the characters' personalities are done correctly, even Amy I guess. From Sonic and Tails all the way to even Shadow and Cream, especially Cream. Cream had some character development in this game along with Emerl of course. She basically learned that sometimes there will be those times that she needs to fight back, for both her and her friends safety, some bad guys deserve the punishment (and boy oh boy, Cheese is a huge one for foes). I enjoyed every second of that game's plot (excluding Rouge's story) and I'm glad Advance 3 slightly expanded upon it by having Gmerl have his predecessor's data.

God i would kill for jet set radio to make a comeback

You're so fucking right man

You are so right, my man. The dark age was 2010-2019 at this point.

Frontiers is HERE !!!!!!!!

Even Orbot and Eggman are like "Damn bro, you've got the whole squad laughin."

like 06?

EVI KOTSIDIMOU no he means Satam, Adventure 1 and 2, Riders, Unleashed, Rush, Secret Rings, and Black Knight's level. Sonic is at his best as a dramatic but not too dark story. It should be serious but also be comedic. Colors and Generation's dialogue is just as bad as 06.

alfa01spotivo Yeah i guess you're right

i agree, a few quips here and there (like in black knight) from sonic is great as his personality used to be a little snarky but jokes throughout THE WHOLE STORY? like cmon. too much drama is a bit much but a perfect balance between the two, where the comedy doesn't feel forced along with the drama. i just want a somewhat serious story with a only a FEW jokes to bring sonic s character out in moments when it suits it, perhaps just saying a mocking line to a bad guy or joking with one of the other characters before he gets serious, where comedy isn't in every scene of the story. i want a serious story that isn't made into a joke like forces was by the constant try at humor.

06 actually had a good story, to anyone who disagrees please rewatch Shadow's story in 06.

PLC The Legacy yes. You're too slow.

No just edit "im" in with "too slow"

Would be a sick way for Eggman to answer Sonic's shitty one liners

@@justbny9278 it would be cool if they acknowledged that sonic was kind of an asshole and slowly he turned into that comic super sonic and you thought his reason for being bad was a little reasonable but you thought he shouldn't be getting mad at his friends for abandoning him,eventually making him turn to be friends with metal and you fight sonics friends but still save animals from eggman.lemme go write this down and edit it so I can post it back to you where it looks better and I don't sound like some 13 year old girl giving a shitty school report

@@TheReZisTLust i'm not im You idiot!

How exactly can you bitterly despise something without ever even having played it

@@SchmuckAmok It is one thing to hate the GAMEPLAY of a game you never played. It is a completely different thing to hate a STORY that you DON'T need gameplay to experience. Seriously, when are people going to realize that story and gameplay are two different parts of a game and CAN be analyzed on their own? Yes, sometimes you have the Story explain the gameplay, but you RARELY have the gameplay explain the story, gameplay can only have so much influence over the story of a game. In short: You don't need to play a game to be able to understand the OVERALL story, if you want the finer details, sure, *then* you need to play the game to fully appreciate it in its "complete" form. *However* , just having a general understanding of the story and how it's written is more than enough for someone to be able to criticize it.

It's so sad too because I feel like that game had really great animation when it comes to gameplay, I'd even argue that it might be the best (remember I'm talking about gameplay not cutscenes)

I hate how it has a run button

Sonic Lost World disappointed me so much I stopped playing Sonic games and engaging with the fandom for a long time. I think the best way to summarize this video is that the earlier games (whether they be Genesis or "dark age") had heart that is just...lacking in Lost World especially. It left me which such a weird empty feeling inside I wasn't used to, even with the not-so-great Sonic games, it's hard to describe.

Ruby of Blue agreed

why do you hate sonic boom cartoon ?

Basically SA2

Nice paragraph of cringe but No u

@@sonicgenesisadventures pretty much. Yeah

Star Scornius Nahhh He's so damn overrated. Pollock ceased to be good at Eggman after Unleashed. He just sounds so phoned in like he's just making clownish noises at the microphone. He was so forgettable in Forces. Honestly, Clancy Brown and Jim Cummings doing a Deem Bristow impression would be so much better.

I like Mike Pollock enough, but Deem Bristow will always be my Robotnik.

Megaturtle1012 Honestly, Pollock needs to go.

Sega won't let him go. Or at least not for a very long time.

Megaturtle1012 Then I'll wait till he kicks the bucket lol

Yeah

I'm one of people loving Shadow and 06, so...

It was published by Sega, so yeah, Sega had a hand in it.

Steven Kadap 06 has a bad story......black knight on the other hand

its a fact most would disagree with you on this one... 06 is a steaming pile of shit, load screen after load screen, totally garbage levels that had more bugs than Oogie Boogie and hes a big bag of bugs!

Steven Kadap what's so good about the classic games story wise is because it's simple, nothing too complicated, nothing bland just simple

i'll answer that by asking you a question, whats so good about the modern games stories? they mostly suck arse and make no sense or trail off with no real satisfaction... i mean, look at forces, Infinite was an immediate threat, with lots of POTENTIAL, but it fell on its arse at the end he just goes away, how can that be a good story? what im getting at is this, how can you criticise one era of games without explaining why the newer era is "good"

Victor Vallim thanks

yeah he's better off not being a circus clown with zero experience

Fawful is amazing! And he has a Kefka-esque flair, too! I love what he does with Bowser's castle. The villains are much more compelling in Mario, I agree. (Except for Eggman) I had to watch this video to get up to speed on the modern Sonic games. While the good dialogue and storytelling is top-notch, the bad dialogue and storytelling is appalling. When Sonic reacts more to getting captured in "Sonic Breakout" in AoStH than he does in Sonic Forces, that might be a problem. Spoilers for Super Princess Peach, Luigi's Mansion, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon Mario at least has a sad expression when he's captured by Bowser's army in Super Princess Peach. And looks distraught, looking downward while his cap is pulled down over his eyes, while he's trapped in the painting in Luigi's Mansion, and at another time is trying to physically get out from the painting, but not in his usual robust woohoo! way, more like repetitively and futilely palming at the invisible wall from inside the painting. When Luigi rescues Mario from the painting in Luigi's Mansion, Mario's eyes are spinning around and he doesn't recover for the duration of the game. When Luigi rescues Mario from the painting in Dark Moon, Mario is pulled out of the painting, looking sad and palm outward, rather than in a fist. He falls out of the painting and lands on his face, disoriented for a few seconds before thanking Luigi and telling him Luigi's #1. Mario is not a character with a huge emotional range. But he's showing his non-upbeat emotions better in his modern games when he's sad or scared. It's disappointing that Sonic has decent emotional range in the cartoons and the early games and has now become the purveyor of wisecracks--or rather, forget the wise---But if Sonic can't express anything other than a bad attempt at humor after he's freed, that cheapens him being captured in the first place, and makes him more distant and unrelatable. Even Eggman's humor is really abysmal in some of the scenes, why is the dialogue writing so bad??

Unemployed. Guess that's one of the reasons why I more of an Mario fan than Sonic's. Not to say that I hate Sonic.

👏 IDEA LET PEOPLE WHO USED TO WORK IN ALPHADREAM HAVE A SHOT WORKING AT SEGA AND LET THEM WRITE THE STORIES

@@unemployedscholar4320 Sonic has shown a ton of emotions in games before Colors. Prime examples being the storybook series. You can feel the rage he has when Erazor basically kills Shara just before he transforms into Dark Spine. The confrontation he has with Merlina before the final battle. He has other moments in the other games.

@@unemployedscholar4320 also i think its safe to assume we cant correlate spin-off Mario to mainline Mario as both seem to be completely different characters. Mainline Mario is as basic and emotionless as you can get with his trademark "its-a me a-Mario" shtick. The one you mentioned was spin-off Mario as Mario and Luigi and Luigi's Mansion are its own thing. Its also why i love Mario and Luigi as those games actually give everyone character, even Peach.

@Cameron E. i miss when eggman was a compatant threat who was not just comic relief.

Xeon Marinas Let's all just except that Sega/Sonic Team doesn't care anymore

Platinum Games maybe?

They're into speed, but more into combat than platforming.

They don't actually write the scripts they just "punch up" the diolouge for the english translation

Kyle Campbell That's a lie, and even if it was true, it wouldn't be any better.

Both trash.

I enjoyed playing it, but yeah the story is contrived at best, I suppose at least it gives more context for shadow's past, albeit messily presented, but it was fun to play and I can acknowledge it wasn't great in how it presented the story and even the gameplay was kinda ehh, but I can still enjoy it while recognising the flaws

MindTheGoop To be fair to Shadow, the whole story was written by Iizuka, who was also directing AND level designing, so it'd make sense if it's a little unfocused, after all he's just one guy, and definitely not a professional writer

Don’t worry, I loved that game too :3

Game had great ideas. Too bad a remaster won't ever happen.

I liked Shadow too. Though the cannon ending sucked. I thought the "super mega happy ending" as I call it, where he remembers the events of SA2 was the best.

But, he isn't dumb in all ways. He knows more how to do other things, like in the show when he's like a babysitter while the rest of the team go to get the rest of the Tails back from Eggman's lair to make him one Tails again.

Black Chapters or what about shadow; the biggest story potential or downright character who was mutilated. Literally every game from free riders has him there to be there or to be the stereotype people claim is all there is. Heck, in forces he did nothing really significant and boom was a literal joke. And it does NOT help that they replaced jason griffith (who was good at it) with the voice actor of kisame...

I completely agree that he's not an idiot, but living on a deserted island for almost a quarter of your life with only a giant green rock to keep you company would probably leave you with a horrible judge of character that a conniving douchebag like Eggman would take advantage of sometimes.

@@vegetafan9922 Yeah, he's not an idiot, he just goes back and forth between smart and dumb. (Like kids in school can learn certain things faster than others, so they seem smart in one way and dumb in another, but they are not fully stupid.)

Pretty much every modern sonic game is just everyone being sonics cheerleader and talk up to him like he's Jesus because he jumped on someone's head with the power of teamwork.

All Pontac and Graff do is make cringy abridged versions of the original japanese scripts. the only time they came up with a story themselves was Lost World and whoever wrote the dialogue in the Japanese dub ended up being better then the English version.

Actually did the basic script came from Pontac and graff for Colors and Genration (So first a thine outline from Sega than Pontac and graff script and first than the Japanese version (the Handheld versions of this games were advanced from the outline to a script by Dimps own in-house writers) Forces is the only game were there truly just translating (and changing) the Japanese script.

Ah, ok. Doesn't make them better, but thanks for filling me in.

"Generations? Some random monster of the week is ripping through time". Except the "random monster of the week" was Eggman. Did anyone expect it to not be him?

Justin Stewart It was more like him controlling it rather than just him. I doubt anyone expected it not to be him since he just came back to being the main villain again at that point, but he still technically did randomly find it. It was explained in a short flashback to his defeat in Colors where he just finds it out of nowhere while being pushed through space by Orbot and Cubot.

But yeah, Sonic has been written awfully since circa 2007.

@@JazzyWaffles 2007 ? It's 2010, are you crazy ?!

I personally think Shiro Maekawa would be better writing the stories but Ian Flynn is my first option in localization for the games and not Pontac and Graff

I've watched family guy since its second revival, I've lived through brian's death and return,. Generations, lost world, and rise of Lyric make modern family guy look like Rick and Morty or Spongebob.

Watch the cutscenes of Colors, Generations, Lost World and Forces in Japanese with English subs. the dialogue is way better.

I heard LW was better in Japanese, but since most people will see the English version, it makes it all the more worse. Also, at least FG has the excuse of being a show that's had 100s of episodes and the writers want to stop the show, but they can't. Sonic on the other hand has had way less games and they're writing the games badly on purpose.

dude i dont like family guy but that shit is art compared to the jokes they try to pull in the sonic games. my 6 year old nephew doesnt even laugh at the jokes in forces

I was a little dissappointed of forces story it was the same cheesy and cringy writing from 2010-current sonic games but it is better than lost world's

Nope, that’s what this video is about.

J's Reviews Oops, my apologies. I misinterpreted the video.

Those Games have the best stories.

Nope

J's Reviews and

But then again, the moment is ruined with the mountain of handkerchiefs line, which... was pretty cheesy.

Super Captain Lyall Man Who said it was a joke?

Super Captain Lyall Man But the scene itself was trying to take itself seriously.

@ArronZ M. I never got why it was chessy or a joke, the genie had just lost all possibilities of getting back with her lover Erazor ("Serah, I know you're there, please stop him, we can start over, the 2 of us, I swera, I sweart it... THE WORLD IS MINE! I CANNOT BE DENIED BY THAT FILTHY RAT!!! WHY?!!!!!") OF COURSE she was gonna need a mountain of handker chiefs, she was gonna cry by herself until she ran out off tears!! I always though Sonic was a swettheart by whising her that. I putted a smile on my face, and let the player know that it was alright to cry your loses... modern games don't do this good shit anymore.

@@RoxasMark Yeah I agree. It was cheesy but it was also pretty sweet. It made Sonic seem like a nice guy, which is something that doesn't really come across much now.

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I also wish SEGA would stop excluding Cream from the games.

SuperSonicWarrior93 Me too

Izuki 101 Not only are they disrespecting Cream, they also keep disrespecting her momma too. And all the stupid fanboys keep making excuses for SEGA. Talking about "she's too young". Bullshit. She wasn't too fuckin' young to square up with Metal Sonic when he transformed twice everyone's size. And the baby characters in Mario Kart are too young to be driving, but no one ever says anything.

They should have me in charge of the damn character roaster. Cause if I were in charge of the next BIG mainstream 3D Sonic game, here's all the characters that'll be playable within the story. Sonic The Hedgehog Miles "Tails" Prower Knuckles The Echidna Amy Rose Cream The Rabbit (w/Cheese The Chao) Big The Cat Vector The Crocodile Espio The Chameleon Charmy The Bee Mighty The Armadillo Ray The Flying Squirrel Tiara Boobowski Honey The Cat Heavy & Bomb Tikal The Echidna Shade The Echidna G.U.N. Shadow The Hedgehog Rouge The Bat E-123 Omega Fang The Sniper Bean The Dynamite Bark The Polar Bear Jet The Hawk Wave The Swallow Storm The Albatross Silver The Hedgehog Marine The Raccoon Blaze The Cat The villains of course being Dr. Eggman, Dr. Eggman Nega, and some brand new villain. One that actually lives up to the hype. Unlike bitch ass Infinite. And yeah, I would actually have some side missions where you actually get to play as G.U.N. And I don't give a fuck who has a problem with that! Also, my ideal Sonic game will go back to the Adventure formula. No more boosting.

If I saw Ian Flynn involved I would shit happy

I'd be so happy I'd piss myself

That’s the best combination, I want shiro to return he knows how to make sonic cool and shadow an actual character rather than being a clone of vegeta

Flynn is a part of the problem though

@@SlainOracle How exactly?

In my opinion they just need to get new English and japanese writers that have an understanding of the Sonic characters.

@Star, Sonic Adventure 2 was complete shit story-wise. Why do people praise it??

Justin Stewart It was complex for Sonic story standards and was a tragic backstory that made us care for the new character (Shadow). Also, I like the story because the characterization of all the characters was on point.

If that's complex, I hate to see your standard for simple.

Kye Dysarthria I said “complex for Sonic story standards.” It’s definitely not a masterpiece but it was a deep enough story to get invested in and make us care for the characters like Shadow.

Honestly, I prefer the way Eggman was in Unleashed. With the exception of Heroes, I feel like the Dreamcast era definitely played Eggman too straight. Sinister moments work best when they're used sparingly. Let's not forget that this is an Egg shaped evil scientist with the face of Theodore Roosevelt who traditionally has a big goofy grin etched on his face. A villain like that NEEDS ham every now and then. It makes the sinister moments all the more threatening when they finally snap which was how Unleashed sold it, and made the Egg Dragoon boss fight one of the most atmospheric encounters with Eggman in the entire series. Then again Eggman's been the best part of the series for awhile now. I can't complain too much.

To each their own. I'll agree that Unleashed was a nice balance of goofiness and cunning , especially in the opening cinematic, but something about it just doesn't quite work for me.

@FitzyCify I feel like if you need a straight evil villain you'd be better off just making one rather than retrofitting Eggman into that mold. Metal Sonic or even Infinite could easily fit the role. Just don't implement them poorly like in Forces.

@@andrewt329 I'm sorry but you have shitty taste and shitty opinions. Wanting a goofy Eggman and thinking he is the best part of the series for a while now proves it

Andrew T maybe they should bring metal back to how he was in heroes, but expand on that or at least that form and personality. I can’t be the only one who actually like seein metal sonic able to speak or think and bein a huge threat

In the words of JonTron BEEP BEEP BEEP! I’M SORRY, WHAT’S THAT? OH IT’S JUST THE “YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS SHIT UP” ALARM!

Sonic IMO, is like a dad who was once cool and still thinks he is, while everyone else is either humoring him or facepalming.

Yeah I like black knight. Boss battles were awesome

I kinda agree, but disagree about Roger being bad. He actually excels a lot in Sonic Boom, where the writing is awesome. I think that with a good script and a slightly better direction, he will be more than fine.

I just can't take Sonic seriously anymore as a character, maybe cause he doesn't really come across as human-like with flaws in any way, or having difficult things to overcome. He rarely takes things seriously, almost like everything is too easy for him, a joke even. And the few times he does sound more serious, it somehow feels cheap, maybe because his confidence and ability are never lacking, there's never any lasting consequences, and very quickly he just returns to his trying to be funny, super confident, totally relaxed and there's no challenge for me self. He just doesn't seem human in any way.

Yo Mama What’s wrong with comedic storytelling?

but teenagers love it, and that's why they keep doing that

I agree with this. To the fullest.

Unleashed's story isn't perfect, the Character animation was a little wooden in places, and Chip's voice could be grating, but I agree that it's the best the series has had so far.

The Random Video Dragon unleashed is widely known as the best sonic game, as soon as you take off the nostalgia goggles you’ll see how bad the first adventure game actually is. Nintendo were making 10/10 masterpieces while sega were still picking up their own shit when they took a step into the 3d era

@@rolan5948 Hold up Nintendrone, have you forgot Nintendo has it's shitty games too?

Rynex - Eh, the Adventure stories still top Unleashed’s IMO.

How they use shadow : fanservice fight with shadow , witch comes for one level and doesn't do anything important . How they use knuckles : what is the master emerald ? How they use Tails : was he able to fight ? No more .

And they keep introducing new ones instead of using them. WTF. Sonic did just fine in the 16 bit era with Just Sonic and tails.... Metal joined in CD and Knuckles then joined but when it was a new character there was only 1 and it was a huge part of the story. Today its: Oh a new Sonic.... Who are these 5 new guys? And you still barely have a clue by the end of it. Then you don't see them again.

@@cyberspacedweller637 yeah as for new characters I liked Cream, the revamped chaotix and Blaze was awesome, and when they are done well I love all of team dark But they were only good when the writers gave a damn Sonic battle has a great story using most of the characters for example and as he said for as bad as the shadow game is at least the characters feel like themselves and not rotfl look at us we is relevant because memes Idc what people say dark age sonic still knew what the characters were

​@@metageek7878 Yeah I'd agree with that completely. Even the new additions in Adventure 1 and 2 worked because they were focused on and developed sufficiently. Sonic Mania is arguably the best of the latest games and, while near perfect, still made Sonic's animations a little too "cute" and the game a little too light hearted overall. End of level celebration and look up animation particularly. Sonic CD nailed the atmosphere and especially the soundtrack for me (JP Soundtrack in particular). Animations too. And in how the music got more sinister when you got closer to Robotnik both in the boss music and last 3 zones. They should be hiring people who loved Sonic in that era and keeping his rebel attitude alive IMO. It's all a bit too Nintendo these days. It's too cute and the finer details that tell the story are missing.

@@cyberspacedweller637 I think light hearted can work ie heroes or rush but I'll give mania credit for taking itself just serious enough to not be pandering trite and it still works for me This self aware humor is ironically less selg aware

YES!! The Chao gardens in SA2 are absolutely timeless. I enjoy them to this day, but I would absolutely die for another sonic game with them in it.

Bring back everything from SA2

I still have SA2 and play it whenever I get really bored it’s crazy this game has a replay factor for so long.

@DONG i know

They were going to bring it back in sonic boom but then things happened.

Agreed. You articulated it well. And yeah, the Sonic twitter is pretty good. It gives some love to the Dreamcast Era. They post things related to the Adventure games somewhat occasionally. I don't have a problem with the Twitter at all

After detractors of the series have been calling it out for how ridiculous the 2000s stories were, it's understandable they opted for a more comical take, making fun of themselves, and I liked it in Colors and Generations. But I can agree that it's time to move on. Forces looked like the perfect opportunity to do so with the setting, but nah...

@@brunolinares604 True, I think Colors and Generations worked for their time, but not as a general mood for the entire franchise

So much this! Screw the people who say Sonic can't have dark or serious stories! They don't understand Sonic at all!

@Blue Guy Exactly!! There is NO such thing as good or bad tone in a story. Only good or bad writing! Sega thinks we hated Shadow's and 06's story for being dark, serious, dramatic, having lore, characters and depth to it, (I still think Shadow's story took itself WAY too seriously. We didn't need guns, aliens, and nonsensical swearing to have a serious tone. The game as a whole felt really unnecessary and didn't need to exist! But I digress) but actually, we hated them because they're disjointed, incoherent, lackluster, underdeveloped, and most importantly *awfully written* with plot holes! That's the keyword: "Awfully written!" Not "They're bad because they're edgy! They suck because they're too dark for Sonic standards!" Sega also refuses to make Sonic serious because of the reception the dark ages of Sonic (Although it's primarily detractors saying Sonic shouldn't be serious because Shadow and 06 tried to be, remember when "older fans" and critics complained to Sega that they were sick and tired of Sonic being serious in 2008-2009?) got as well as the IGNorant critics, Classic Sonic fanboys, and fake fans/non-fans who say Sonic shouldn't have a serious story! It's either because "Why would you need anything more in a franchise involving anthropomorphic animals going up against a mad scientist? This isn't a movie or book! It's just kids game for crying out loud!" or "Story does not matter for a blue hedgehog! Gameplay does! Nobody plays your games for trashy stories! Trying to make a story within a game about a blue hedgehog will detract from good quality! Look at what Mario does! You should be like him if you want to make a good franchise!" or "Sonic shouldn't have a serious story! Look at Shadow and 06's stories! (Even SA1-2's story) They sucked because they're too dark, edgy and way too serious to be a plot of a game about a cartoon blue hedgehog! We are so sick of the drama! Look at how good the Classic games are! The Classic games had happy go lucky simple stories so that's all you need!" or Nintendrones who say "Sonic is just a copy of Dragon Ball! Who would like a franchise revolving around a stolen concept? Make him something else!" (Which ironically is what made Sonic a copy of Mario since Colors. Still, that claim is extremely ignorant!) A serious story =/= a bad story! As long as it's written well, it's good to go! People should only criticize stories if it's poorly written! Not because the idea, tone, or direction just isn't their cup of tea! Sega MUST stop listening to the all sorts of detractors who say serious stories don't belong in Sonic as well as Sonic being for kids! They are NOT Sonic fans and they DO NOT deserve to be listened to!

Thank god someone calls out for it. Sonic deserves a better story.

You are right. You know? I think every weird and critiqued concep made it thougt Sonic history can work. Some things can look weird like some point in Shadow and 06 looked from a safe position, but if it made it well triying to evolve the world of the characters im for sure it could work. Other frachise try and susses like when the jak games pass of a platformer full of color with a silence protagonist to shooter gta style in a darker distopyan future with psicopat as a character or ratchet and clank also. Call me crazy but i think even romance could work

@@bleakburd4965 somecallmejohnny isn't a sonic fan he a classic sonic fan he's a nostalgia blind classic fanboy who refuses to accept almost anything that doesn't resemble the classic games

Freaking this

never used to be kids games anyway. People are still in denial that Sonic used to be "cooler" than Mario for more than just le blast processing lol

A grown-ass man is caring because what he had as a child makes the modern day looks like burning shit.

I mean I still got the 2006 Sonic Riders game for the game cube. *shrugs*

@@ChevySamk THIS

@@ChevySamk They ARE kids' games-just ones that happen to skew a bit older than Mario games. And there's zip wrong with that.

Agreed. I enjoy the twitter account, as Aron Webber comes off as a fan of the series himself. In the games, however, it feels like a cheap excuse for humor for a game the writers didn't care about.

Ejjirodo I think it's okay as long it doesn't break the 4th wall nor internal rules of how the world and characters operate.

Ejjirodo I think it's okay as long it doesn't break the 4th wall nor internal rules of how the world and characters operate.

The fuck are you babbling about ? Speak for yourself or whoever ADHD manchild like you likes that shit. After being forcefed with LOL BIG TEH CAT, LOL DO U KNO DE WAE, HURR OW TEH EDGE for the BILLIONTH FUCKING TIME, this shit has got to stop. Aaron Webber is a pathetic manchild and a horrible PR manager. This stupid fuck is biased as hell. And at this point, it only backfired.

The Den Well, then it seems like you’re the only one complaining. But I’m not gonna bother arguing with you because this is the internet, and it’s not worth fighting with someone whose probably high.

London Jackson Excluding Mania.

Cinko515 The English producers would have to try REALLY hard to fuck that story up, considering there's no text.

london Jackson not really generations and colors are still very bad, and forces while it took out that wierd shit the story is still pretty underwhelming.

Shadow the Hedgehog: Ooh damn, look at me being so damn gritty it makes me personality-free as hell, telling children less than a damn decade old (hence the E10+ rating) to back the hell off!

@@kieranstark7213 exactly

Shadow is the most stupid character in the series

SEGA:Did you say put zavok in every sonic game ok that will make him popular and totally not annoyng

Agreed, plus they can use the Werehog combat as a basis for a 3D Ristar, what with them both having stretchy arms and all.

@@lnsflare1 Yeah totally. Like, combine aspects of the Werehog with Knuckles' gameplay from Sonic 06. Make him floaty, somewhat agile, but can pack a punch once you get a metaphorical ball going. Like a general audience/kid friendly version of Devil May Cry without guns.

It's a shame this will never happen, as Sega forgot that Ristar exists, just like they forgot about their other franchises.

I think it's not so much of them seeing it, but more of hoping that they care, which, I highly doubt they do. I hate that they've butchered Sonic this badly and made his friends useless because they were listening to the "fans." Unfortunately, this is the world in which we live in; we don't always get what we want...

And also the music on all of knuckles stages.

The story was pretty autistic tbh

Adventure 2 still has the best story seen in Sonic Games. Black Knight is the only Game that compares.

I loved 06 xD

jblue88 hood gamer Shadow and 06 tried with their stories. They just tried too hard. And SA1 has a series plot that doesn’t go too Head up its ass.

It's because the fans complained that they didn't like the other characters being playable (Either that or Sega took it the wrong way). So they cut it down to just Sonic, yet everyone is still complaining and it's because Sega is trying to do everything and nothing at once. They need to listen to fans but know learn to know when to not cross the line.

Yeah SEGA is constantly trying to please everyone which is impossible as a writer and game developer, as when you trying to please everyone in your audience other sides of said audience would feel alienated as the constant critics on Social Media are listened to which scares SEGA to stop experimenting and trying.

@@aozorahaou2643 Personally since the Sonic series is ongoing, future games will have to be different as we developed many mechanics and forms of characters & games, we have so many things and will need to put focus on 1 at a time but implement other things if it helps the game.

@@artistanthony1007 Exactly if they ever decide to do spin off games for characters besides Sonic again I hope with Ian Flynn if he stays as head writer for the games Sonic Team could be convinced to research past characters to give them unique gameplay exploring their abilities again besides Sonics

In fact Unleashed is my favorite Sonic game ever and favorite game ever.

@@hawk6901 YESSS!

@@BGOutOfService Ah, a fellow man of culture good to meet you.

@@hawk6901 a toast to you, good sir

Blue Gangsta shit. Thought i was the only one

Sonic Colors is definitely still a Sonic game. What the hell are you talking about?

LukeMM95 Unleashed is still my favorite game in the series even with its problems. Also I’ll say it. I thought the werehog stages were kind of fun.

Thank you, glad to see that somebody understands that Colors wasn't a good game.

LukeMM95; Couldn't have said it better myself. SEGA does seem ashamed of what they've done, yet they haven't actually TRIED to be better since Unleashed. (Yeah Generations was a fun game, but storytelling-wise, were they really trying to do anything? Nope). I hope that the game after Team Racing isn't like Colors' story, but I'm not gonna hold my breath either :/

@SAJ-Man the Sonic Fan, Generations may be lacking in story, but it's arguably more fun than Unleashed, which felt like a slog. So I would say Generations trumps Unleashed in the fun factor. Big is *not* always better.

Yo if Ian Flynn wrote for the game maybe sonic would finally have continuity but since sonic team is full of idiot of (especially iizuki) i doubt they would do anything to help sonic

It's Izuka not ME ! lol

why would you want ian when shiro maekawa has experience in writing for sonic games, liked doing it, did the best stories, was actually trying to keep the lore and characters consistent, and most importantly, wants to write for sonic again?

it me Most people want Ian because he's already so close to the series because of him writing the comics and also writing the prequel comics to Forces. Me personally I would like anyone that's not Pontaff or the people who did Forces or Colors. Ian and Shiro would be amazing.

it me Ian’s just a prominent part of Sonic’s Archie run and his comics really did the characters justice, so that’s why he’s wanted. However, a lot of people would do a better job than Pontac and Graff.