Why the Nationalist Right is on the Rise in Romania 

I love how you said in the last 3 years Romania has gone through an impressive 3 PMs, whilst here in the uk it took 3 months to go through that many

There's also a bit of missing context. Voting in Romania is generally done by exclusion. You don't vote with AUR because you support them, you vote them because you hate them less than the others. People hated both PNL and PSD and then USR rose up. Afterwards they started hating USR too and now AUR is the new kid.

05:52 minority, not majority 02:23 socialist, not soviet (as stated in other comments, it does make for a pretty good joke / insult)

I know Ben has done a Faustian deal that requires him to mispronounce every single foreign word, but how did he manage to mispronounce "diaspora"?

Also, it might not be obvious from the UK, but a good boost to AUR's popularity and anti European sentiment in Romania, is Austria's veto against ascension to Schengen. This a big deal right now in Romania; and every time Austria votes against, AUR gains a few percents more. I wouldn't be shocked if they will be the number one party in Ro next year.

As a Romanian myself, "Romania: Putin's next ally" this would never happen, we don't share the same values, nor do we want the same thing from our future. So this won't happen with Romanian's will, might happen against our will but we won't agree to Putin's shitty stuff ever.

It's a hungarian minority, not a majority, and the presidential elections are schedule for next year, not in the next few weeks, but great video overall despite the few "typos" here and there.

I don't think Romanians, even the more right wing Romanians will cozy up to Russia. Romania in patricular have a bitter relationship with the former USSR, and even the Russian Empire. this bad blood runs old. I just don't see any right wing politician, no matter how cunning- can bring Romanians under Russian influence without being seen as a borderline traitor. Romania is much like Poland, conservative, but unlike Hungary, I don't see a populist like Orban having such a power grab

Even though AUR may be on the rise, it’s extremely unlikely Romania will be allied to Russia, due to all the historical clashes between them. Just like in Poland, russians are kinda hated in Romania

5:49 'Romania's Hungarian majority' Why does TLDR make so many basic mistakes like this every video? Are videos ever proofed before they are published?

Bit of historical context. Russia has done immense harm to Romania post WW2 by essentially ripping apart Romanian territory and partly incorporating it in present Ukraine (parts of Basarabia, Snake Island), and partly forming independent Moldova. In all honesty Ukraine has done very little to accommodate Romanian minority in those areas, and as such prior to current Ukraine war the relationships between Romania and Ukraine were understandably very cold. Now with the war, there is significant support in Romania for Ukraine as both countries care to limit Russia’s influence in the region. I was personally very pleasantly surprised to meet and discover Ukrainian refugees living in Romania, and grow fond of some of the people I met. Romania has indeed a very large diaspora, I heard somewhere we are second in the world (probably as %). Most of these people are working in wester countries and adhering to western style of thinking. I have a hard time believing that a significant part of Romanians would support Russia…

He said "Soviet democrats" at 2:23. 😂 Very close to the truth.

i know Soviet Democrats was a misspeak but it's really quite funny and apt

The AUR logo is really smart when you think about it. It's the borders of Romania; but the Eastern part is obscured, which showcases (with plausible deniability) their irridentist claims eastward

I think that AUR is closer to PSD than PNL. In Romania PSD is much more socially conservative than PNL. They even held a referendum against gay marriage a while ago. If anything PSD might shift towards more populist talking points as opposed to PNL (whose voter based is more urban and young and thus more socially progressive).

Finally a video on Romania.

3 prime ministers in 3 years? join the club romania :)

5:51: Correction: I think you meant to say “hungarian minority” not majority

One correction I haven't found in the comments: at 7:12 it was said "presidential elections scheduled for November this year"; the elections are in fact, November next year, in 2024.

as a romanian I can tell many of us feel that Europe (mainly Austria, Netherlands, France) is treating us with superiority. Hope we can make more deals with countries like Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia and Turkyie instead of begging in our knees to be approved in schngen.

"The Soviet Democrats" =)))))))))))))))))) Thanks, Iliescu's life expectancy just rose with another 50 years just hearing that.

Thanks for making a video about my country TLDR.

There's a misunderstanding about left/right in Romania. While PSD and AUR seem like they're on opposite ends, they're actually much, much more similar. PSD while it's considered a "left" party, it's actually more conservative than anything, and AUR is ultra conservative. Also the problem is that AUR is actually making some very good points. Especially when it comes to Ukraine and the war. For example, the issue with the grain imports is a bit more nuanced: Ukraine was allowed to export their grains into Romania without any checks whatsoever, and without needing to adhere to any of the EU's quality standards, and what ended up happening was that Ukrainian grains got into Romania, but they were very low quality, some even suffering from pests and shit, and they were extremely cheap. So then these inferior shit grains made our local farmers LITERALLY waste megatons of grains because they couldn't sell it.

I know nothing about Romanian politics, but literally all parties sound like hot garbage.

In the "is europe shifting right" thumbnail, Ireland is highlighted, though for the first time ever a left wing party had a majority and since then has been steadily been gaining in popularity. Ireland has never shifted left of centre-right since the 1950s... For the first time in 60 years Ireland is leaning left.

So glad TLDR team could finally afford a desk!

Feedback on video production: the videos without the desk are better :) It's a (subtle yet tangible) barrier between you as a speaker and the viewers.

All countries who are already in the EU should also be part of Schengen 👍

I was wondering when we'd finally be featured here for this very subject. Finally made it! 😅

If the AUR ever wants Moldova and Romania to reunite then Russia has to lose the war. In this sense they should be actively actually supporting Ukraine. Also most Moldovans are right now vert pro-EU.

Thanks for covering us :)

(Romanian here) You should try putting the names of politicians through some text to speech program to learn that country's correct pronunciation before recording the video (Google Translate is also decent). When you pronounced Mircea Geoană as "Myrsia Jowannah" I had no idea of who you were talking about until I looked at the picture of him.

Nationalist is back ❤

1. AUR has no chance of winning parliamentary elections in Romania against PSD. 2. Even if they do that, they would not have a majority in Parliament and a coalition will be formed against them. 3. Romania will never become Russia's ally. 4. AUR is not really pro Russia. 5. Their electorate will never be larger that 25%(note that during parliamentary elections only 40% of the people actually vote). 6. The parties that will enter Parliament next year will be: PSD probably around 30% PNL probably around 20% AUR probably around 20% USR probably around 12% UDMR(hungarian party) 6%. None of the other parties will enter a coalition with AUR. 7. Once every ten years we have a nationalist party like AUR who usually gets around 10-12% of the votes and then they slowly dissappear.

If I were a Romanian I would vote for them.

I'm from Romania and i would like to say that your report is quite accurate. Thank you for doing a good job. I can add a bit of depth for anyone who is interested. The coalition didn't do a good job in the past 5-6 years and Romania is facing some problems right now because of it. Plus the problems brought on by general bigger picture issues of the pandemic and war and so on. For example sinking the country into massive debt and inflation, or the problems in agriculture with grain and honey prices, just to name a few. Naturally people are angry and uncertain and this is where AUR comes in (they have been around for some time now, feeding on the discontent of the diaspora). They are trying to do and/or to say anything they can to present themselves as the solution, both for the bigger picture issues and the shameful incompetence of the current establishment, while also being openly and painfully obvious pro kremlin (their leaders where seen multiple times with russian "diplomats" and so on). It's pretty obvious what's going on here, a russian backed wedge trying to force itself into a substantial crack formed by justified anger and worry of the population. This being said, i wouldn't worry about them too much. In the sense that they won't get power in Romania, because people are more or less aware of what i said above and they won't gather that much support. The situation is not to be taken lightly though, but it's not dire yet. Funny part is that the coalition is so bad that it pushes people into AUR arms, in spite of them doing everything they can do be as repulsive as possible. Even so, the people in AUR are way to nasty and ripe with scandal and controversy to even be taken too seriously. Romanian society is aslo way too pro EU and west. The good part is, that they actually represent the very angry voices in Romania and their presence forces the current establishment to act in ways which are in our interest. Just by their strategy of transforming everything into a ping-pong game in which they say the opposite of whatever the coalition says, is benefiting us, specially when the subjects hits something on which people of both sides of the spectrum can agree upon. Like limiting daily allowed cash transaction to 2000 RON (400 euro) for example.

Lost it at "soviet democrats" 2:23 :)) True, though.

There is a clear difference between not liking Russians or Ukrainians, or giving up billions upon billions of your stuff, to support a guy, who you dont like.

Yes, it's completely understandable, because in Romania now, as we speek, as a worker in a company you get like 400 net salary/month, while food is more expensive than in Western Europe. I say this because I know everyday. I was an engineer for almost 15 years in some companies and after all this experience this summer I decided to quit for the moment this career in Romania, because I earned like 1100 euro net, which is very little, having a family and 2 kids and having prices for food more expensive than in Germany for example. So I said fuck it!! I'm a truck driver now, and I'm earning 3x the money. 😊 It's somehow sad, but it is what it is.... Of course extremism is on the rise!!

Parties in Romania are left or right only by name. Local party members go from one party to the other as they see fit (depending on which party wins the elections). Also, the current AUR voters come mainly from the nationalist wing of PSD (left) which was anti-UE. I very much doubt AUR took voters from PNL.

It's rich to say the nationalist right had just recently been on the rise. In reality, our current ruling parties are nationalist, right-wing populist parties. It's been long since PSD had been an actual social democrat party, or PNL a national liberal. AUR are surely more to the right, but they are, in large, a byproduct of the hegemony PSD and PNL aimed (and achieved) to create, which in itself is a huge issue, to which AUR is obviously no real solution. Hence, the political left in Romania is basically dead, without adequate representation for now, and as the video said, the ruling coalition doesn't seem to have any intent of sliding towards the left in any capacity, but the opposite.

It's interesting that the USR wasn't mentioned at all

Come to Romania and first see at the custom is 6km length of truks waiting in line. Some prices in supermarkets are in general higher than Europe western countries…Thanks Austria, Russia is happy for how things are developing in Romania

It's generally a good video, but a bit shallow (understandably so). The most important thing, that I think should've been emphasized, is that despite their names, PSD is very much socially conservative while PNL is more liberal (not too much tho). So if anything, AUR's populist influence could move PSD to be even more right wing regarding social issues, while PNL is in a bit of identity crisis right now. USR is not disenfranchised (yet), but they are slowly becoming quite unpopular, however their voter base is really distant from AUR's ideas, so that won't help them either. Lastly, UDMR is getting the 5% from the hungarian minority to keep them in parlament. I think PSD is going to win the most from this situation. They have a stable 25-35% voter base, and moderate conservatives who don't want either PNL or USR on power are more likely to vote for PSD rather than AUR (even if PSD shifts slightly to the right).

Please make a video about the Bulgarian equivalent of AUR

If AUR wants Moldova then’s need to figure out Transnistria. So, supporting Ukraine might be in their best interest.

Nationalists should ask a Finnish winter war vets when it come to isolation "we had to fight alone"

The outcome of this 'grand coalition' isn't suprising. İmagine if the Tories and Labour banded together in the UK, what could the outcome of that be for political situation here? Voters would have no choice BUT to vote for small or fringe parties 😮

I'm tired of media saying "far right" and "center right", "the right", but always use it as a label, never explain what it is, the differences. Just to indirectly lead the viewer to think some are bad per se.

Like many other European "nationalist" parties, AUR has repeatedly whined about the EU, but it's in no hurry to push for Romania exiting it.

This video is pretty accurate for a 10 minutes video. Romania's political landscape is far more diverse. In the 90s, FSN was formed from former communist political activist and split into FDSN/PDSR/PSD and PD/PD-L(later becoming part of the PNL(a party whcih was stolen by the former Securitate officers in the name of a historical political party during the monarchy). USR appearead as pro-European protest party in 2015-2016, they gained 22% at the Euros in 2019, but something gas happened with them. Very important to mention that George Simion met with FSB officers. George Simion and Diana Sosoaca are dangers for our security.

The influence of AUR in Romania ends where the online ends. Outside of the internet, their numbers are just shy of a couple of thousands. Multiple local branches had to shut down and move their activities completely online because they lack physical membera.

The actual reason why Romania becomes more nationalist is they just chose nationalist focus tree

Pretty solid explanation, just lacked the context of not being allowed in Schengen and an ever decreasing voter turnout also does not help

The first thing that came to mind after watching this was that old beauty and the beast song and it's kinda scary how well these lyrics fit " Tale as old as time. True as it can be. Barely even friends. Then somebody bends. Unexpectedly Just a little change"

I am from France and I wanted to order the PR Kit. The postage is so bloody expensive at 44£. Unfortunately it is as expensive as the order itself….

I am a fun of your show and I am a Romanian, and I can tell you that we are not on the path to far right

The current political situation in Romania seems to be extremely similar to the one in Bulgaria. The only major difference is that the Bulgarian president Radev is pro-Russian and the Romanian president has a clear pro-EU and pro-NATO profile...

Good analisys, John Smith!

The AUR party is a sad joke, imagine Aur as a person like Andrew Tate

As a romanian I will tell you that never ever Romania will be Russia's ally . You don't know a thing of what this animosity is about ...and for so many hundreds of years. When you are a neighbour to Russia you will do what you can to protect yourself and what you can to survive. No. You don't know anything about the terror, the crimes, the pain, the torture caused for us unfortunatelly by Russia ... I say unfortunatelly because of it's great culture ... but no, romanians will never be friends with russians or allies. Nope. When 70 years ago 2 million people were killed by bolsevics (imprisonned and killed 90% of them) ... you can't forget something like that. Ok, after that comunism was installed but those 2 million were the intelectuals, priests, proffesors, students, doctors, enginneers etc ... Those days you were declared enemy of the party only if you were the son or the daughter of someone that had a bachelor degree ... No, is too soon to forget what happend in our country. If you think romanian comunism was from Romania you should read more history. After the 2nd world war Europe's split was decided on a restaurant table, on a napkin ... That was so simple to decide who lives in freedom and who dies under the comunism. And there were a lot of dead people. If you never heard of Aiud prison, Pitesti experiment prison you don't know a thing about Europe's recent history . So, once again, no. Never Romania will be an ally of Russia.

Everyone sees Russia as the great evil. But what do you think about USA? As a Romanian, I am not pro-Russia, but in the same time I agree with what AUR thinks about EU and NATO!

AUR means gold in Romanian but it is actually from the Alliance for the Unification of Romanians.

Nationalist Right is on the rise in Romania ... on the other side Hungary, Italy, Austria, Netherlands: Hold my beer!!

4:00 Simion didn't face deportation from Moldovo for being an unionist, that is a popular ideea in both Moldova and Romania, he faced deportation for possible connections with russian intelligence, as ex modavian defense minister said earlier this year.

Small correction. The only proven pro EU party is the Save Romania Union (USR). PSD and PNL, since the legislative cycle that generated the mass pro EU protests and mass beatings of protesters thanks to PSD having an absolute majority alone, both have been continuing the same practices started since then, after the model of what Rusia did after the collapse of the USSR. Hopefully Romania will get the next year an outcome such as Poland and not like Turkey.

'Rhoumania's Hungarian majority.' Gosh!

Great video!

As a romanian we will never be Russia friends because we have 100+years of bad history with them and this Simion guy is just a joke with weird dreams, he has no chance against Genoa

The Romanian Orthodox Church violently disproves of the AUR political discourse.

@TDLR 02:58 - correction, Klaus Iohannis was not a member of national liberal party. The NLP alias PNL on their platform promoted and helped him to the Office.

I am Romanian and thoroughly follow what happens in our internal politics so I will add some details that will give everyone a broader of view of the situation. 1. The president of AUR, George Simion, was surprised as having relations with russian agents by the Ukrainian intelligence agencies. He also went straight to a pro russian politician from Romania after the elections from 2020 to discuss some matters privately. 2. One of the founders of AUR had contracts to reconstruct buildings în the Rrpublic of Moldova where the KGB functioned in the past. And their big raise on social platforms, mostly Facebook, was due to some shady financing. Hence they didn't appear overnight, their rise was planned way before. 3. The president allows everything that happens in terms of coruption, lies etc. He is bribed by his administration, which sometimes consisits of former members of the communist repressive intelligence agencies, with expensive holidays, gifts, other privileges and disguised bribes (none of his expenses were revealed in spite of numerous requests by journalists) 4. The governing coalition, at least the big players, are extatic at the thought of AUR growing in polls. That means that they can govern together without any problem and silence the opposition represented by USR (the Union Save Romania). The two parties said that they will never ever govern together and the president won with his promise of never letting that happen. Obviously it was all a big lie. 5. Remember the members of Trump administration recieving bribes to arrange meetings with other world leaders? The Biden adminstration is doing the same thing. Recently the Romanian PM went to Washington to discuss... What do you think? Hospitals, schools, infrastructurs, visas etc.? No, no, no and NO. THEY DISCUSSED ABOUT WEAPONS. Or should I entitle it: How to get away with everything by bribing left, right and center.

as a Romanian, I say NO to this sort of garbage and NO to Putrid and his war dogs !!

This will only get worse for us. Macar suntem si noi pe TLDR. Cheers

We in the Netherlands just had elections yesterday and the exitpolls right now show that PVV the party of Geert Wilders is the biggest with 37 seats of the 150, followed by the greenleft/pvda with 25 votes and VVD with 24, with the new party Nieuw sociaal contract (NSC) with 20 votes. this is going to be a VERY right wing cabinet if it can be formed.

A few things worth mentioning: AUR has been accused, both by a former minister of foreign affairs in moldova and a ukrainian paper, to have had secret meetings with fsb agents in both countries. The other co-founder of AUR was also in charge of renovating the only building in the capital that has russian shareholding.

It's so fascinating what you describe as "moderation" of positions: it really is just right-wing populists recognizing a fellow right-wing populist as a useful ally against EU mandates (Romania under AUR would basically become the replacement for PiS Poland) and support for the Israeli right-wing's projects is a classic move among right-wing anti-semites (and allows for AUR to be even more anti-Muslim). Anyway, I hope Romanians wake up to what AUR could become for them, and if they somehow become elected into government, that the EU will at the very least continue to hold up Romania's ascension to Schengen (as much as that's worth these days, sadly...). Rule of law and human rights must be protected in the EU especially.

This video hit 122k views as I started watching.

In Romania, there is no other country we dispise more than Russia. And that was even before Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Now, it is just more of the same. AUR might get some traction among old people in villages, that's why we need to go out and vote, so that they don't get more influence than they already have.

Summary of this video - Video sponsored by "Too Long, the official TLDR newspaper" - Ukrainian President Zelensky visited Romania on October 10th to seek support for Ukraine's war effort. - Romania, traditionally pro-Ukraine, has provided military aid and established a training center for Ukrainian pilots. - Zelensky canceled a speech in front of the Romanian parliament due to anticipated protests by the ultra-nationalist group Aur. - Aur, meaning gold in Romanian, has gained popularity and is described as a far-right party with anti-EU and anti-NATO sentiments. - The party's surge is attributed to discontent with the political establishment and economic challenges in Romania. - Romania's political history involves frequent changes in leadership, with the current government facing economic difficulties and corruption scandals. - Aur's leader, George Simion, initially focused on the reunification of Moldova with Romania and later shifted the party's focus to the war in Ukraine. - Aur's rise is seen as part of a broader trend of right-wing nationalist parties gaining traction across Europe. - Simion has faced criticism for his anti-vaccination stance but has moderated some party rhetoric to broaden its appeal. - Despite Aur's increasing support, it is not likely to directly impact policy or unseat the current government in the near term. - The Romanian government announced a strategic partnership with Ukraine despite canceling Zelensky's speech. - Aur's growing popularity could indirectly influence mainstream political parties, pushing them to adopt more right-leaning policies. - The upcoming presidential elections in November show Aur polling third with 19%, behind independent candidate Maia Sandu. - If Aur continues to gain support, mainstream parties might adjust their policies to appeal to disenchanted voters. - The video concludes with a sponsorship plug for the TLDR newspaper and a 20% discount code for purchases.

this left right scale to explain politics is less and less helpful - the stances are multidimensional and this is causing misalignment - people voting for parties that are actually not closest to their own priorities; the two-dimensional political compass is a step in the right direction but only very small, we need to go way bigger

Most interesting thing that happened during entire this turmoil over ukraine, is when orban of hungary, after attack on north stream, said: hungary and serbia will every attack on energy infrastucture treat as declaration of war, we are not germany, we are serious countries :)

Dear TLDR, what are you talking about? Not sure whether you are in this Univers, Galaxy, planet !? Since when is Romania an ally to Putin ? Since when Romania has a Hungarian majority ? What? Since when AUR is a political force in Ro? What?

I want to clarify something: AUR was formed out of the never ending dismissal of the politicians and the giant parties to take actions or even an opinion on problems in society both internal and external. This party jumps on every problem in society that career politicians avoid like the plague because they are too afraid to bring up. 1) The Hungarian minority have been continuously led by their politicians to isolate themselves more and more from their country. For example, the politicians of the Hungarian Minority region don't encourage their community to learn Romanian, just so they can stay isolated and not be integrated. Meanwhile in Hungary, the Romanian Minority have to learn Hungarian as Mandatory. So when he says he respects Hungary, he wants to be as authoritarian over the Hungarian Minority as Orban is on the Romanian minority. 2) Ukraine. Early on Zelenski in an attempt to forcefully integrate all the minorities in Ukraine, forbid the Romanian minority on the boarder with Romania to not be able to learn Romanian. No such thing was enforced on minorities in Romania. Lastly when, Romania accepted to help Ukraine, they started to sell their grain from Ukraine to Romanian companies and became a competitor to Romanian producers and were threatening their businesses. Basically, each time more cooler minds in Romania don't call out these problems, they keep giving ammunition to this howling extremist.

You are wrong. Romania is not pro russian. There is a growing nationalist trend but its not as big as others think. We are latins. We have nothing in common with Russia.

Thank you from Odesa

As a Romanian Speaker it was my own chance to cringe at pronunciations 😅

If that does happen, then similar to Slovakia, Romania has done their part before a cabinet shuffle.

The fact that Austria unjustifiably opposes our accession to the Schengen area will have the greatest influence on the increase in the number of voters of AUR supporters. This injustice towards Romania will have a devastating effect in the long term, and it seems that the EU will not be able to prevent this injustice, which makes it weak and divided. And so Romania, from a majority pro-European country, will become an anti-European country, fed up with all the sacrifices made and the lack of results it deserves.

And you figured all of that from UK? Bloody smart you are!

Thank you for making a pretty accurate video on the political situation in our country hope we’ll see more videos about Romania in the future🇷🇴🤗

As a romanian, i'm scared

Wow, I got notified this way that there are elections in my country (while I'm expat in Belgium.) Or are the presidentials in 2024?

7:13 The presidential elections are scheduled for nov. 2024. The current president changes 1 prime-minister per year, that's right, also Dragnea helped in that regard.

@TLDRnewsEU there are many mistakes in the video... like not explaining what AUR means besides it's literal translation, which is Gold... AUR's political party name is "Alianta pentru Unirea Romanilor"(English Translation: Alliance of/for United Romanians, Romanian Alliance for/of Unity); at 2:08 the name of the party is correctly stated, idk why Ben has done the mistake of saying "Soviet Democratic" at 2:23... 5:51 also, here, the Hungarians are nowhere near a majority, they maybe be one of the biggest minorities in Romanian, but certainly not a majority, it's like saying the whole of United Kingdom has an Irish/Scotish majority and an English minority; spelling mistakes that could've atleast had a quick fix by using a Google Translator to spell out the names for: the leader of AUR: George Simion; NATO Deputy Secretary General: Mircea Geoana; former Prime Minister and current leader of PNL: Nicolae Ciuca... and the current PM's name... Marcel Ciolacu... i will not debate many other things about AUR in the video becase they mostly check out... as for the voting system in Romania, we do not vote for right or left, we vote for the lesser of 2 evils, and i believe many people will vote AUR just because everyone has gotten tired of the constant power switch between PSD and PNL... edit: there's also the facts that Russia has done a great amount of bad things and never returned a vast amount of the national treasure of Romania...

"On October the ten, *we* visited Romania to further support the war effort." TLDR steps up their business wow💀

I’m Romanian and I call this bullshit.

as a romanian, i gotta say, it was a pretty accurate video.

Who is going to be paying 10 pounds for a newspaper

Every time I think of these right wing nationalist, I think of opportunist, basically playing on the tune of what they think people want to hear and not what they can deliver, anything to gain any kinds of power. I keep seeing this trend where some see these groups of political parties as a threat, but the closer they get to any kind of power, the more they tone things down, basically reality kicks in, they know they can't BS the people with unrealistic outcomes when their neck could be on the line, when in opposition, they can more or less say anything they want to the people with no consequences, but when close to getting power or in power, it's a different ball game. Basically, it boils down to them saying anything, regardless of lies, just as long as it helps them win power, once in power, they have to tone things down a lot, mainly because most people don't want radical outcomes, they want a stable ship that improves things for all, they also know that they've been given a chance of power by the people, if they mess up, they might not get back into power again, so all the talk on what they said they'll do, gets toned down a lot once in power, we are seeing that in Italy, we've seen it in other countries. The only time these political parties are really a threat is when there's a majority of people in the country that thinks like them, which is rare, and if that were to happen, there's far more problems in the country than they realise, so don't worry about these political parties in what they say they want to do, worry a lot more if there's a majority of people that think the way these radicals think, that's when it could become a real problem So in the end, I take all this nationalist rise with a pinch of salt, as in, not really changing anything, apart from scaring the established parties, but the irony in all that, these radicalism parties seem to end up toning things down so much that they look more like a moderate party, makes sense, if they appeal to the people a lot more, they are more likely to win more elections and hold onto power.