575 to 725 is really wide, I've raced with a few of the top end guys in that race and they had no place being in the mix with a bunch of B's. One has already been push above 725 race score so you won't be seeing him again. Try the Race Score races with a high and low end. With your 610 race score you'll be in the D bracket of the the end.
Yeah. The evening race was VASTLY better with the smaller categories. This race was just rubbish. 3.4-5.1 20min range is just beyond silly for one group.
I have thought this from before it was brought in and knew it would be like this. Results skewed rankings will always make categories even more wide. Good sprinters will win on flats and jump up categories. Poor sprinters with good endurance will do better in hilly races, but there are so far fewer hilly races. The better racers are the ones with good 1-2min power generally. The biggest issue with the category system before was the categories being so wide that being promoted is demotivating so people dont want to do it. I was a high C and won a lot, have been a very bottom B for 9 months or so now. (So am arguing the case from the bottom of a category, not the top!) Results skewed will mean that poor racers (poor drafting skills and poor timing) will migrate towards the front of races as people of similar ability but better skills get promoted away. They do not deserve to win. (I hate that "everyone deserves to win thought, they dont. If you don't draft well and time efforts well, you don't deserve to do well). The biggest issue though is the widening of the categories even further. Poor racers with good endurance stay at top of cat. Good racers with poor endurance get bumped up. So the categories get even wider. This mathematically has to happen. And seeing as most races are short, sprinty ones. This only gets worse as lower endurance riders with good racing skills can race way above their power levels. The system will make the problem bigger, not smaller. The people that never won before, will now have a chance, and they will like this system. (And a lot of people race badly!!! - most in fact). But the people that race well will just get utterly demotivated for doing so. The price increase had no effect on me staying or leaving. This I think will
Give the system a few weeks and the sandbaggers will be gone, it is terrible right now because people are ranked only based on the seed values, which is essentially the same as the current system (power based ranking) this is exactly what this new system aims to change, but it will take a few races before the system start working
Wkg isn't relevant for most routes. In flat races that end in sprint if you're a heavier rider you will end up with less wkg, but it doesn't matter much. Even in rolling races wkg matters little, it's more about pure watts for 30s-2min. Also most races aren't a solid 20min effort. Look at weight of those people doing 5 wkg, on these routes those 5 wkg won't get them far.
@@DavidHiveyZwift I agree. Sadly I don't think any simple category/ranking system will help with that. We'd need different racing score (or power based categories) for different type of terrain (or composite of them) and that would be very complex :( vELO has terrain handicaps that in theory should account for that a bit.
Sadly I can't do it. Looking at it. The point of that is to see the smaller results skewed categories. But if you look at the 20min power, even for that race, the range is even bigger than a normal category. That race this morning was just silly. And that was flat. The whole idea is fundamentally flawed and disproportionately punishes people that race well. (And that is coming from someone that has been in the bottom 5% stats wise of B for 9 months). I despise anything that rewards people with good positioning for being average. If people don't race well, tactically. They do not deserve to do well in races. But this system will cause that. Its like school sports days that reward everyone for taking part. Awful.
It would be great if everyone had to verify. But I get that that is an impossible task. Our team verifies everyone that gets below a certain racing score on ZP.
@@DavidHiveyZwift totally right but there way to many sandbaggers everything should be verified this is how bonkers zwift as I see and Id only been doing this 7/8 months and I was about 2 months and 12 races in racing with wcc in zrl 12 races I went from d to c in two lads I was riding with didn’t they beat me by 2 minutes yes I’m 5.4 70kg think my zftp 191 and 2.84 w/k I don’t get the numbers more of a mtber .cookie (wcc) is zp
