@@darrenjones1413 I was thinking about upgrading my primary gaming tv to a new Sony 4k oled. At first I was conflicted because it only has hdmi ports, but on this particular Sony, composite av output is actually built into the tv and can be done by getting a little adapter that plugs directly into a little video jack on the back.
I stored my PS2 up in my moms attic (100 degree weather) for the last 18 years and the other day I took it out of the box and turned it on and it still works! 😮
The fat PS2s seem very well-built indeed. Mine still looks brand new, and works just fine aside from a dead clock battery. But that's inevitable, and I'm sure it can be replaced.
@seltzerbot8730 The clock batteries can be replaced quite easily. I’m just too lazy to do it myself lol, especially since I already opened my system to clean it and don’t wish to spend half an hour working on it while my son is climbing on me. And yeah, the two phat models I have still work after 20+ years. Take really good care of them, and they will last even longer. :)
Not to mention the fat model had a glass fuse on the inside and if it blew at some point the system wouldn't turn on. That happened to me back in the day and I had a game inside too. I ended up getting a slim after that.
Never had the Slim myself, I had (and still have now) the FAT model. It still works! Opened it up this year to clean out dust and it works great. Still plays PS1 and PS2 games. Love it.
1. Never had a slim PS2 that scratched discs, and I’ve had several. 2. Compatibility issues are not a universal problem between PS2 Slim models, and only affect certain later PS2 Slim systems. 3. There are several HDD solutions nowadays for the PS2 Slim that connect to its internal drive header. More plug and play solutions also exist which replicate some of its most important functionality, like the MX4SIO memory card adapter for OPL.
Also several games that came late in PS2's life is actually designed for slim one's higher EE frequency, so old machines might run and load them a tad bit slower.
For Christmas in 2005 or 2006 i got a PlayStation 2 fat my brother tripped over the controller cord it fell on its head to never work again he bought me a ps2 slim to replace it and the thing was damn near indestructible and for that reason alone i always preferred the slim
One of the things that makes slim more resilient? An external power supply. The internalized ones, especially when the system got hot, could easily fail if they suffered either surges (the supply failing was a 30$ fix vs 200$+) or drops. Given it was marketed as the first truly vertical console, that's probably not surprising drops happened more frequently.
@@nolankuffner3573 I had the SPCH-900x series and it had an internal power supply and it worked very well surprisingly, no issues faced with the internal one.
The original just looks cooler as well and is more nostalgic for me because that’s what I grew up owning, until the laser stopped working and I made the dumb decision to toss it in the trash and buy a slim.
@@chiefdabwinninghe is showing the launch model phat with the twin motherboards and the auto tilt this original model is impossible to install a modchip and completely unreliable
For me its the complete opposite. I hate the original ps2, its ridiculously big and looks clunky and dumb, the ps2 slim grey is what i grew up on and that fucker is the only real ps2 in my eyes.
The problems you're describing only affect the 7500 Slim model. The older model PS2s have their own issues, some that are far more widespread. Like the "you may run into compatibility issues" part is funny since almost every PS2 you find in the wild doesn't play blue disks correctly and you need to replace it's laser.
@@spochysrandomnetwork that’s weird because soap and water always did the trick for me I’d put soap on it, wipe it around slowly and then put water on it, then I’d wait for it to dry and/or wipe it off. I did that to a copy of SvR 2006 and it started working again!
It's the laser ribbon glue, it comes undone over time so when the laser is moving back and forth the ribbon sticks up too high hitting the disc while it spins, making a perfect circle.
My uncle had a fat PS2 out of the box that wouldn’t read CD based PS2 games which has the blue back, but would read PS1 games and PS2 games on DVD. Also another story, my friend got a PS2 slim, this was for his bedroom, he had a fat model as well which was in his family room which was a fat model, so at this point he had plenty of games, so anyway, out of the box his slim model wouldn’t read DVDs or DVD based PS2 games, only PS2 games on CD, he was so pissed and I thought it was hilarious. He got it exchanged though so there was a happy ending.
I have the same experience as your uncle! My SCPH-39001 model is great with DVD-ROMs but not CD Roms! My SCPH-75001 model is good with CD-Roms but not DVD roms.
People seem to prefer the slim, but I have always had the best luck with the phat PS2’s. I’ve never found a fully functioning slim when thrifting, but the phat’s I find always work great.
I don't recall any PS2 game with any compatibility issues on either PS2 revision, But I found an article that mentions a whopping 39 titles (of over 4000) have some issues with earlier SCPH 75000 models (second slim revision). Later slim versions don't have such compatibility issues. I recon that's because it has a new main chip dubbed EE+GS running at a slightly higher 299MHz clock instead of earlier arrange of separated EE and GS chips (including on the first slim revision, on which you could even install an internal HDD by using an special kit with a flexible circuit and a bottom case replacement) running at 294.912MHz and 147.456 MHz respectively. Oh, and you COULD notice the speed difference on a few games. I had a V10 (SCPH 50010) and a V14 (SCPH 75001) back then and I remember noticing a few slowdowns on Okami just on V10 (playing either from DVD or HDD).
the fat model was notorious for scratching discs while it was in the standing position and it was only the early model slim ps2 that had that fault. it has to do with the ribbon cable and there are some really easy mods out there to fix that.
You can just stick a pin in the back of the disc spot to prop open the door and it wont scratch. The thin plastic can flex and press down. I have thousands of hours played this way, and no scratched discs from the ps2 itself
Never had scratch Issue on my PS2 slim back then.. I really cared for my cds if you want to play my games I alone will put it in and take it out a simple scratch I would be mad thats because I bought my own CD with my allowance.. it took time but totally worth it specially the Resident Evil 4 mall price was like 2k in pesos around $30 to $40 back then..😅😅
I have an original PlayStation 2 fat sitting in my closet. I really need to break it out. It still works perfectly and I have the safe cards for it and two controllers. Thank you for reminding me that I need to pull that thing out dusted off and play some Killzone.
The original PS2 scratched many of my games. I love the original PS2 but I went through several until the slim came out and never had issues with the slim
That hard drive is numero uno on my list. Being able to easily mod the PS2 and dump your discs onto the drive. You get all the advantages of original hardware without the need to go about swapping discs. Not to mention, the laser is usually the first thing to give you problems on any model.
The last phat PS2 model the 5000 series is overclocked which can play games smoother and reads them faster and has a stronger laser that can read scratched up games very well.
FAT PS2 had DTS decoding for DTS movies. The other models didn't have it. That upset me a lot because i was watching my movies in DTS on my console before I had to replace it with the slim. I went straight back to the FAT model.
Went through around 3 PS2 "fat" & between 5-10 PS2 Slim back in the day. I prefer the OG just because of the fan in the back & the nostalgia of course. Definitely had more issues with the slim in my experience as well.
The Slim model is lightweight and has a faster CPU, the cons are only when you try to use HDD, it doesn't support Internal HDD, and an Externaly HDD only slows the game down
I had the first release model 10001 and the fan really did sound like a jet engine, the 50003 model i have now is nice and quiet the ps4 is no way near as loud as people claimed
I love the build in LAN Port in the Slim version. The adapter for the FAT version is very expensive. I store my games/roms on our homeserver. This is a perfect solution for me.
1. False 2. False 3. Might be true, but you can still use the USB port to use a memory to store pirate games. Also, using the HDD port for vanilla purpouses is a headache.
I have the original black fat version of the PS2 and it will read most of my games apart from Gran Turismo 4 which ever thought the disc is clean it won't read whilst it always playes fine on my family's PS2 slim.
Slim 7000 Series owner here. NEVER had any issues with my discs scratching or my console overheating (my cousin owns a 9000 Series, and his shut down due to overheating multiple times). Ive also had the best PS1 playback from my system. Recently the laser failed, Ill have to replace that
I have both the fat and the slim. The fat is currently having disc tray belt issues. Never had any problems with the slim. That being said I still prefer the fat. Much more nostalgic for me
Not only did the slim version destroy many of my games, but also the console itself had burned out after 3 years of use. While the fat one I've been using 6 times the lifespan of the slim, and the fat is still working!...
I think it came down to economies of scale. The PS2 was so popular, Sony could afford to make the hardware tinier and tinier and cost less to manufacture. Coincided with a time when consumer electronics really started getting smaller, and smaller, and more compact... Compare a similar example: the Sega Genesis which has had MANY design variants over its nearly decade in production, starting from 4 major ICs (the 68k, Z80, VDP and YM2612), going down to 3, then 2, then EVERYTHING mashed into a single ASIC. The console didn't shrink nearly as much, but the PCB shrank. You could tell how much less it cost Sega to manufacture by the end of the console's lifespan. Crazy!
Reasons why the 'Phat' model is better than the 'Slim' model: - Sony did not have the decency to spell the latter 'Slym' and that makes it less cooler than 'Phat', yo.
I had one slim in PAL. I got the phat NTSC from base thrift, and I still got the latter today. It has the internal plastic missing from the first controller port, but it still functions fine (although I'll probably stop playing PS1 games on it to reduce wear and because I finally netted that console in the wild). Definitely can't beat the original! I guess you can stand the slim up, but og is built for it. The convenience in such a form factor cannot be overstated.
When it comes to scratches, it depends on which slim, but even the bad ones rarley made disk breaking scratches, usally just circular ones that interupt the game a sec, or maybe make it take a few tries to launch lol. Either way a fart could scratch thoes disks. When it came to the hard drive expansion possibility, man its the ps2, I dont think Ill ever need that lol. I never heard of support issues for the slim, especially considering the slim came after, and was well known to be better built and have more reliable quality than the original, not to mention it sounds more like a fan than a jet engine. The scratch issue i think came from just how the ribbon mechanism worked.
You 3rd point is really the only thing that makes your 2nd point valid. Your 1st point about scratching i don't find to be an issue. Also, the belts in the disk drive will eventually go bad. You will not have this issue on the Slim.
Had a ps2 slim 10 years ago and don’t know what happened to it. Got a fat model in the past month besides the disk drive seeming not to read I jailbroke it with a freemcboot card and it works greay
The slim only scratches if the ribbon cable in the disc drive gets loose, but it's not guaranteed The phat has it's own issues, like dying lasers (most phats I come across that have never been opened up either can't read blue discs, gold discs, or movies), loud fans, slow boot up times, etc. I own both and both have their own pros and cons, but with having close to 300 games, I've never had my slim give me issues with compatibility on any of them. Most people won't have that issue either
Fact. The original ps2 has issues playing the blue discs it sometimes works sometimes doesn’t where as the slim plays all normal and all blue ps2 discs and the ps2 is easier to set up takes up less space in my experience last longer and discs can’t get stuck because it doesn’t use a trey so you can always get them out and is over all a lot better then the original 👌
The only issue I had with the slim was that for some reason, it couldn't play Xenosaga and some other dual layered disc. Lost count on the amount of times I went back and fourth to gamestop and even got a brand new copy of Xenosaga, and it STILL red screen. Both versions had compatability issues with PS1 games. Neither could play Mortal Kombat Trilogy or Red Asphalt. Red Asphalt it hung at the intro movie and MKT often had no audio.
So the slim model has a issue with a ribbon cables sticky residue dries and fails which causes the ribbon to poke out and scratch your discs. Good news! The cable is 2$
I had slim but agree with you for all games part because I cannot played my Initial D and need to played on my cousin's phat whenever I visited his house.
There used to be a game list on Wikipedia, but it got deleted. Maybe someone reposted it somewhere, or you can use Wayback Machine. Take the list with a grain of salt.
I have a 75001 and a 79001 and I've never had compatibility issues with either, nor have I had my ps2 scratch my discs. IMO the only reason you would need a fat ps2 is if you're going to mod it.
There is many versions of the slim. There is one that has the original ps1 processor like before that can do everything the big one can do. It’s the 70000 oness with the screw posts in the back.
