Why the Protestant Idea of "Saved" Doesn't Work w/ Suan Sonna 

Catholics are too often guilty of making the Catholic position sound way too complicated - initial justification, final justification, merit, faith, good works. It’s good to hear it laid out this simply. Thanks.

Faith vs. works is one of the biggest misunderstandings between Catholics (+ Orthodox) and Protestants. Protestants think that Catholics (+ Orthodox) have works-based salvation and/or justification and Catholics think that Protestants don't have works. It's a bit like the Miaphysitism vs. Dyophysitism argument between the Eastrern and Oriental Orthodox churches. Thankfully they have worked that one out 1500 years later. Hopefully Protestants & Catholics can come to an understanding on Salvation, Justification, Grace, Faith & Works. The less barriers to reunification the better.

To be fair, there are evangelical protestants who do not hold to "faith alone," who agree with the Catholic position. I would say that it is possible to have good works without faith. But it is not possible to have a true and living faith without works. Though you can have good works without faith, there is still the core issue of sin and its hold on the human heart that must be dealt with, and that only happens through the power of the cross and faith in it. As Jesus said, you can clean the outside of the cup and make it look great from the outside. But it's useless so long as the inside is dirty. This analogy is great because it makes the point that, ideally, you want a cup that is completely clean, inside and out, one that is esthetically appealing and also useful. But if you had to choose between the inside and outside, the inside is what matters most because that's the part that makes it useful. But what good cup owner goes through the trouble of washing the inside without washing the outside also? None. And neither does Jesus.

This was good, Suan Sonna, clear concise and understandable; as a Lutheran I could also say that 'good works' describes the 'life of faith' (we'd highlight the trust aspect of faith), but not because of a inherent goodness of the work (like the God ordained sacrifices of the OT that in the Psalms He hates) instead they're made good and Holy by the Holy Spirit dwelling in us and working through/with us. Basically as I've been taught the lutheran teaching called 'sola fide' is, look to Christ for your salvation, or rely on God for union with Him, or trust His Word and Work (of course, if you trust a command, you do it). It makes me think perhaps none of the anathemas in the section on Justification apply to Luther or most lutherans. I know that's the conclusion of the Australian joint declaration on Justification.

If you claim "faith" but the next moment you sin with no regard for anything, it's like you are mocking what Jesus did for you. That's why Jesus instructions are "Go and sin no more." It's so important to work towards that holiness that Jesus wants for us. We need to continually confess and repent for our sins with all our hearts when we fall. Humbly put others first before ourselves and do small acts of kindness everyday for everyone, and that fulfills Jesus instruction of "loving your neighbor as you love yourself" which is also what St. Paul writes about in all his letters when he's giving instructions to the church. Every time I read the gospels, it's Jesus giving instructions, and those instructions should be taken very seriously, not lightly in the form of "faith alone and I'm done." We are the parable mustard seeds, the only way we'll bear fruit is by faith and works together, miss one and that seed will dry up and not flourish.

Even though it's Faith alone, you still will have works that will show face. That should happen with the fruits you bare. I'm not Catholic but it's pretty clear biblically that works alone won't save you. You need faith, works should come when you have that relationship with Christ. You still need works. That's living a Christian life. All scripture can be compared and links together. It won't contradict itself. The Bible is the first hyper linked document. It's amazing 😍❤️ Great video!

As a Protestant, when I give this issue further consideration, it seems to work it self out. I should think that if James and Paul met up, Paul would say to James, I agree with you when you said faith w/o works is dead as I, was speaking on salvation. And James would reply, I too, agree with you because I was speaking on the practical conduct/living of the Christian, as I think the context indicates. There seems to me no explicit contradiction. Moreover, in a sense , I think we could say that “works” is logically necessary for salvation (if we think in terms of Modus tollens) but, in a causal sense, true saving faith (which is how we receive salvation) leads to good works. So, I think Paul and James are easily harmonizable except I’ve made some blunder in my thinking. If so, correct me pls. God bless

Wow this clears things up so much. Thank you 🙏

From what I understand, as a non-denominational Protestant-type with a Catholic education, the Protestant and Catholic views on justification are *practically* the same. I mean, in every pragmatic sense, we both emphasise the importance of faith *and* works. For many Protestants (hopefully), the belief is that you're saved by your faith, and you prove your faith by your works. If you believe in a God who loves you, cares about your holiness, and will judge your actions - act like it! I think it was Luther who wrote that it is by faith alone you are saved, but the faith that saves is never alone. In light of this, I'd say works are more of a requirement for proper faith than it is a requirement for justification - at least in the Protestant view. I think the difference between the Catholic and Protestant position is more about where you insert 'works' into the equation. But the important thing to note is that both desire it to be part of the equation. I do think that some people neglect the 'works' part and try to justify their actions by saying "faith alone," which is insanely unbiblical, and is perhaps one of the ills of the way Reformer ideas have been portrayed over time. The Reformation was a long time coming, but if it weren't for political influences and a lot of human pride (on both sides), it really could've been resolved with a lot less bloodshed. Sure, the little theological details are important, but what's even more important is that you're getting out there and loving your neighbour for the glory of God!

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Ephesians 2:8-10 ESV That's about as explicit and specific as it gets.

the Catholic critique only holds water if the Protestant definition of faith is merely "assent". This, however, is not the case. The faith is understood to be a "living faith", i.e., a faith that NECESSARILY results in good works. As Calvin said: "It is therefore faith alone which justifies, and yet the faith which justifies is not alone:"

St Paul is a tremendous authority. When I read his letters I also read his criticism of work without faith. He was talking "to himself" in a matter of speaking. He was talking to the Jews and contemporary converts from Judaism. They in his opinion were stuck to the "law of Moses" in a sterile and unproductive way. They relied on their "good deeds" by adhering to the Law in the most strict manners. That was NOT going to save them if they forfeited the faith in Jesus Christ. Without faith in Him, they were lost. He himself was an exemplary worker and his letters show that without a shadow of a doubt.

I began looking into Catholicism three years ago (still learning). I realized early on that Catholic soteriology had basically no disagreement with the view I was raised with as an Arminian Pentecostal type.

Imagine thinking Luther believed in faith without works

Faith based is like the foundation of the house hidden in the ground while works serves as the actual lived in portion of the house; so while we live UPON the firm foundation of our Faith, we live IN the works of the shelter’s walls, roof, electric, plumbing, appliances, etc. So, as a house w/o a foundation will fail at the first test, so too, a foundation w/o a structure to live in fails to be a house of faith or Temple of the Holy Ghost. Our faith serves to make sure and sanctify our works, and our works serve to glorify and give purpose to our Faith, who is Christ the Lord. 😃

I think that there is an issue with both the protestant and catholic positions only if misunderstood. A protestant who misunderstands faith alone to mean "easy believeism" and that they need not live out Christ's work in them is in error. Just the same, a catholic who misunderstands their good works as meritorious of salvation rather than an outgrowth of Christ's work in them is in error. Salvation is a free gift, not of works, now let us work out our salvation in fear and trembling 👍

Perhaps this is the greatest Christian video ever. Most people seem to think believing in Christ is enough, But they forget the part where Jesus said, "I never knew you."

Faith alone doesn't work. That's why Jesus said "Go and sin no more".

Amen!

0:44 - I think the union with Christ and the basis of our standing with God in Christ's righteousness, and the necessity of working out that salvation with fear and trembling, in light of the holiness of God and what's at work in me, is huge, as a Calvinist.

Matt are you not uploading on Sips With Aquinas anymore? Just curious...

If you are a faithful servant, you work.

The question: Do good works save you? Catholics: Well, not initially... There's nothing left to discuss. EDIT: My biggest problem with this particular session is that neither Mr. Sonna or Mr. Fradd accurately articulate Luther's position on this. They tend to "paraphrase" modern Protestant deviations and use that as a means to make their points.

"He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it at the day of Jesus Christ." Philippians 1:6

I see a bunch of people's who think that they know what faith alone means, including Suan. Nothing that Suan said is diametrically opposed to what Luther, Chemnitz, Calvin, Hooker, or Andrewes said. This is a great channel with great content, but this was most emphatically a straw man approach.

I always try and illistrate this as the journey to heaven is like a rollercoaster ride. Belief gets you in the car, a little bit of works (doing what Jesus said to do) do which the Father gives a little bit ofGrace, which begets one doing a bit more of what Jesus said to do (Faith, works, obiedence), which begets more Grace, which begets more Faith/Works/Obiedience which begets even more Grace, more Faith, so on and so forth, until your Faith is as big as a mustard seed, or bigger, and one is casting mountains into the sea, or better praying cripples be healed. Yes, our salvation is by Our Father's Grace, as is our Faith, and our Works/Obiedience. As Jesus said, we can do nothing except by Him.

Man Suan is sharp

I heard a Baptist preacher say that works matter in the sense that they will decide your place in heaven. That’s just sounded awful. I’ll take Purgatory.

I think from what was said it was more the reformed, Calvinistic if you like, view that was discussed in relation to protestants. It is a more diverse view among protestants then discussed and l as an officer for The Salvation Army did not have a problem with the Catholic definition discussed. I would be interested to have Matt Fradd view the 11 doctrines of The Salvation Army through a Catholic lens and get his thoughts.

Faith is a verb not a noun. Good faith leads to good works. Bad faith leads to no works or bad works. Good works are works of justice and charity and other virtues. They are not necessarily works of piety, sacramentals, or sacraments. Without good faith, those works are vain; and failing to perform those works will not make you lose your faith. Without good faith, fasting and abstaining from meat is worthless. Failing to do such during lent will not condemn you. Once upon a time, Catholics believed it was a mortal sin. Performing an indulgence without good faith or performing one in bad faith will not forgive you. Receiving the eucharist without good faith or receiving in bad faith will not save you. Failing to receive the eucharist will not condemn you if you have good, just, charitable will done in good faith with good effort.

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Active love (working love) gives form to faith, thus James compares works (of love, charity) to spirit, and faith to a body. It’s very “hylomorphic”. Just as the soul is the form of a living body, works of love are the form of a living faith.

Presumption of salvation is a mortal sin. Be careful.

It’s not a catholic position, it’s a biblical position. I’ve never met a Protestant who was a sincere Christian that didn’t believe this to be true. I’ve also seen many Catholics that think if only they say a few prayers and attend mass that they are saved when in their hearts is no true love for God, much like the pharisees. We’re all brothers and sisters in Christ, I don’t think He cares one bit from which church you pray from or work from, it’s the heart that he cares about.

If you truly have faith, you will do works. You will feel compelled by the Holy Spirit to do what Christ asked you to, and to be Christ-like in both words and deeds. As Christ himself said, "By their fruits [deeds/acts] shall ye know them."

Salvation is of the Lord. If we can't see that we are still blinded to the nature of our sin. We are no better than isaiah job David Peter ..who morned bitterly over their helpless state and ask God only to give them rest in his salvation Jesus christ. Don't be decieved brothers because our hearts draw us almost to believe in our goodness like the pharasis whom Jesus left without hope. The law still the law. And God still God. Keep the law or rely on the one who kept it. It's that simple. denying works as basis for our salvation comes from what God says in his law that by doing his works no man shall be justified before him.

1:15 - the difference between Protestants and Catholics is very subtle and it is a pity that Suan doesn't seem to get it. According to Luther himself : "Truly good works are not self-elected works of monastic or any other holiness, but such only as God has commanded, and as are comprehended within the bounds of one's particular calling, and all works, let their name be what it may, become good only when they flow from faith, the first, greatest, and noblest of good works." (John 6:29.) In this connection the essence of faith, that only source of all truly good works, must of course be rightly understood. It is the sure confidence in God, that all my doing is wellpleasing to Him; it is trust in His mercy, even though He appears angry and puts sufferings and adversities upon us; it is the assurance of the divine good will even though "God should reprove the conscience with sin, death and hell, and deny it all grace and mercy, as though He would condemn and show His wrath eternally." Where such faith lives in the heart, there the works are good "even though they were as insignificant as the picking up of a straw"; but where it is wanting, there are only such works as "heathen, Jew and Turk" may have and do. Where such faith possesses the man, he needs no teacher in good works, as little as does the husband or the wife, who only look for love and favor from one another, nor need any instruction therein "how they are to stand toward each other, what they are to do, to leave undone, to say, to leave unsaid, to think." According to Protestant theology Faith in Jesus unites us to him. God then initiates a process of sanctification through pruning and disciplining and we through faith (holding onto our confession through trials that produce patience) are thus sanctified resulting in good works that lead to justification (but not salvation). It is always God who prepares the works before hand and it is always God who works in us and it is always we who endure by Faith and thus our Faith through Love is translated into Works. Works becomes a problem when it is emphasis over and above Faith like this video comes very close to doing. It is true that Faith without works cannot save but it is because true Faith will without fail lead to good Works under the pruning scissor of God. But nuanced Protestants and Nuanced Catholics come so close to the same things that we may as well just agree and move forward onto more difficult matters like the nature of the real presence and the doctrines of Mary. Things that Catholics appear to say we must believe in order to be part of the church.

Isaiah is clear. Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away Works do not save you- Works are useless to the Father unless you have faith, and are things we do to show our thankfulness for what he did for us.

I don't understand why this is an issue though. I think that basically all conservative protestant American churches agree that it's both. "By grace through faith, this not of your own works" meaning salvation is not achieved through works but then out of love and duty through the new nature we are given we do good works which are evidence of God's presence in our lives. I like Suan and I understand he is just speaking freely, he just tends to make claims about the whole of the protestants as if there are no differentiations in doctrine between them.

I'd appreciate a throughout episode about justification. I'm a Protestant interested about Catholicism, but I find it really hard to give up penal substitution, as I believe Christ took the punishment that belonged to us. I don't really understand the Catholic view, because teachings of for example Anselm or Aquinas seem to have elements that seem very similar to what we call penal substitution, yet some say Catholic church (in councel of Trent?) condemns this view. Does this prevent me from becoming a Catholic?

To second Tim Richardson's comment below there are TONS of Protestant Evangelicals who do hold to the Baptist/Reformed view of "eternal security". I would say, as a Free Methodist minister, that we are indeed saved by faith alone - but that the faith that saves is never alone. True saving faith is ALWAYS accompanied by a transformed life, which includes good works. No transformed life and I seriously doubt the person's salvation. We would differ with Catholic only in that we see works as the result of salvation, not the cause. That said, we certainly would agree that repentance and cooperation with God is needed for salvation.

If eternal security is bunked like you said, then I suppose working for our salvation is not??

So what works are we supposed to be doing

Scrupulosity kills real faith. Luther was scrupulous, that's why this all started.

“Meriting grace”??? - Rom. 11:6 - But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

We are “meriting” grace?

"Faith vs. Works" in large part, I think is due to a) disingenuous and misinformed propagandism on one side, and b) poorly nuanced catechesis on another. In the end, for many, it's a false dichotomy perpetuated by those with a conflict of interest.

St. Paul is referring to the legal works of the Mosaic Law. St. James is referring to righteous works in Christ... There is no dichotomy.

Matt and Suan, I appreciate your tone here but I think there's a ton of misrepresentation of the issues here. As you note, Protestants agree that a living faith must persist in obedience or it's not saving--"faith without works is dead." Indeed. But the relevant issue of the Reformation--sola fide--has to do with the *ground* of our righteousness. It's not, in other words, a commentary on the nature of faith, but on the grounds of our right-standing with God. That's why "sola fide" doesn't exclude obedience--the Protestant slogan was shorthand for the fact that we are justified (declared "in-the-right", and thus adopted) by faith alone, but of course not by a faith that is alone. In other words, our fundamental disagreement lies over a) what justification means and b) what is the grounds of God's acceptance of us? The Protestant answers are as follows: justification is a declaration of our right-standing before God, and the sole grounds of that right standing is our union with Christ forged by faith and *not* our obedience. That obedience must overflow as faith-in-persistence, but isn't the cause of our being declared in-the-right. *That's* the concern: what causes us to be declared "in the right"? Protestants answer: we share in the righteous status of Jesus Christ, pronounced over him at the resurrection, by faith alone. We are not "in-the-right" *because* of our inherent righteousness--or even the righteousness of Christ worked in our lived by the Spirit, though such righteousness is an expression of faith-persisting.

Gods definition of Faith is obiedence. No obedience, no Faith, therefore no Grace.

Lots of words here. It sounds very similar to a protestant understanding of faith and works. That is that faith alone saves. But true faith has works. I.e. you say you love your wife. But you don't actually love your wife, if you don't talk to her, treat her like garbage. Then your works are the evidence that it isn't true. What are you saying in your explanation that is different?

Hey Sian work all you want, you ain't getting to heaven. You're gonna be just like the rich man.

Now I’ve just gotta figure out how to stop sinning. Of course I pray for forgiveness when I do, but I will always feel like a hypocrite when I speak of God if I continue to be a sinner.

Nothing in Scripture ever makes a distinction in justification about “initial justification” and some other, later justification. It’s not there.

Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?" James 2:24. How much more plain can it be said that faith alone is not enough for our salvation? "What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?" James 2:14. Jesus tells the Jews that James is addressing what works they need in John 6:27-29 . Catholics think that Protestants don't have works. All through the scriptures there is no verse stating go by faith and do nothing , of course believers in Christ do works but not for the gift of salvation but because of that gift . We do not work to get we work to give

What are ridiculous thing to say,: “eternal security is bunk.” many evangelical ministers have to get their PhD’s, often with deep backgrounds in philosophy and theology. You have not offered enough substantial argumentation to trivialize the idea of eternal security.

SO DO YOU KEEP THE TORAH OF GOD?

so our work is faith?

Matt. 10:22 - He who endured to the end will be saved. This verse has NOTHING to do with “salvation” in the way we normally think of it. At all.

Honestly no honest Christian who reads the scriptures denies the importance of obedience to God. If you believe, its a given. The difference is, is that we believe we are saved only by God's grace. And we are justified (yes) by faith alone in Christ, not by our own merits. Honestly how arrogant can anyone be to think that a mere speck of dust in the universe can somehow do a bunch of good works to impress an all powerful, all holy, almighty God, that is greater then the heavens? I wouldn't even dare to try to. "Oh God look at me, look how good I am." Really?? What a joke! Lets see how good anyone really is. Yes we are called to holiness and good works, but if it be based on performance, then no one would be saved, because in catholic theology you sin one mortal sin, and you have screwed the pooch. How easy is it to do so? Even your own system cannot save its priests and bishops from all the atrocities it has committed, whether in the midlevel times, or especially in regards to children, its pachamama idolatry, perversions of h9m0$e×u@li+y and other perverted abuses with small children. Of which even Catholics have said that half of the preisthood is guilty in these. (Cannot say the word because RU-vid deletes my comments.) We are called to good works, and God expects us to do so, and Christians living in willful sin are in danger of losing their salvation. So repentance is necessary. And good works demonstrate true saving faith. However we will still fall short and sin, but God richly forgives us who repent and trusts in the saving work of Jesus Christ His Son. Romans 9:14-18 nkjv What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE COMPASSION.” SO THEN IT IS NOT OF HIM WHO WILLS, NOR OF HIM WHO RUNS, BUT OF GOD WHO SHOWS MERCY. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore HE HAS MERCY ON WHOM HE WILLS, AND WHOM HE WILLS HE IS HARDENS. Acts 15:7-11 nkjv And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, PURIFYING THEIR HEARTS BY FAITH. NOW THEREFORE, WHY DO YOU TEST GOD BY PUTTING A YOKE ON THE NECK OF THE DISCIPLES WHICH NEITHER OUR FATHERS NOR WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR? BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WE SHALL BE SAVED in the same manner as they.” Romans 4:3-5 nkjv For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was ACCOUNTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.” Now to him who WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT AS DEBT. But to him who DOES NOT WORK BUT BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY, HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS, Romans 11:1-6 nkjv I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, “Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS AND TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY SEEK MY LIFE ”? But what does the divine response say to him? “I HAVE RESERVED FOR MYSELF SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEES TO BAAL.” Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the ELECTION OF GRACE. AND IF BY GRACE, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS; OTHERWISE GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE. BUT IF IT IS OF WORKS, IT IS NO LONGER GRACE; otherwise work is no longer work. We cannot be saved by the yoke of the law, but through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. God has mercy on whomever He chooses. He has to chose to save you. He grants salvation to all people who believe. It is not of how much we will or desire to be saved, or of how much we run and work for it, but on God who has mercy. otherwise, grace is no longer grace, and the wages are given as a debt rather than grace. Romans 3:19-20, 28 nkjv Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD. THEREFORE BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW NO FLESH WILL BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT, for by the law is the knowledge of sin....Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED BY FAITH APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW. Ephesians 2:8-10 esv FOR BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH. And this is NOT your own doing; it is the GIFT of God, NOT a result of WORKS, so that no one may BOAST. FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED in Christ Jesus FOR good works, which GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND, that we should walk in them.

Satan has more faith than any creature God has created. However this is not taking him to Heaven.

Even the devil believes.

Nope. Philippians 1:6 that God will bring the work that he started to completion. He doesn't need us to partner with him and the Protestant position is that works are not what save us but a result of being saved so that the world may see that we are saved but it warrants nothing to being saved. The council of Trent literally calls anyone who believes in justification through faith alone anathema. This goes against scripture that God is sovereign in all His work. To say that we need to co-operate in order to to obtain grace of justification goes against what grace is.

Salvation = faith alone in grace alone by Christ alone. See John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9 Works are the fruit of salvation and not the cause. The only thing you add to salvation is your sins.

both of you are distracted by FAITH...what works does it compel? Church tradition works which Luther was distancing himself from or works He has us do after justifying us for our faith in Him. Satan has faith He is the Son of God...but doesn't have works...pharisees did works without faith in Him... faith is a gift- as like Sabbath He made for man and woman writes Paul...a gift made for man...crazy how some christians reject both... but yes once saved by our faith which does NOT make void His law Paul told the ROMANS...ironic...we are to do works befitting repentance to be more like He lived less than our former selves and the world its man made traditions... live as He lived includes His calendar and diet...His torah He handed us at Sinai became flesh to demonstrate His NT lifestyle and SEALED it on the cross NO CHANGES Gal 3:15 once testator of testamony is dead

A faith that does not produce works isn't the kind of faith that God gives. And a faith that can be produced by works isn't of God.

Difference between justification and sanctification. Justification one off event. Sanctification lifelong.

The problem I find with protestantism is it relies on what Luther figured out from the Bible "Saved by faith alone" and "sola scriptura". The Bible does highlight the importance of faith but it doesn't ignore works.. As rightfully pointed James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. To ignore what Bible says on works and to just take one part of it on sole understanding that Martin Luther figured something that early Christians didn't, is a crazy enough deal. But if we dive further, the biggest enemy of Christianity is islam, and allah in quran says I will put hatred among christians Quran 5:14 From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. So anything that divided itself from the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church is a creation of allah. Now Luther called the Ottomans as the wrath of God on Europe's sin. He thought the Ottomans ie the Muslims as wrath of God, muslims who believe in the quran that spits amd mocks the Christian and the Jewish faith.. Tells you something that Luther could be wrong.. He is just a mortal man.. And I will not put my faith in what any mortal man understand but I will put my faith in Christ Mathew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I know and understand that sin has entered the Catholic Church probably to the highest position and I hope I m wrong . But I put my faith, my soul, and my life in hands of Christ and pray I made the right decision... Christ is my sheppard and I m his lamb searching for Him.

Are there angsty protestants subscribed to the channel and disliking any new video uploaded or something? Suan Sonna is perfectly coherent and reasonable in this video - Much to the dismay of adamant protties?