Why the Sound of a Gun Had to Be Nerfed in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 

*WOT ABOUHT EHT?*

*DIZ IS RIOGHT PROPPA TINKINZ!*

The only exception to that rule is if it has more dakka.

Is this a WOW reference?

@@haven1048 it's a warhammer 40k reference

he probably sleeps with those

As a guy who mixes music, film, tv, and sometimes youtube videos.... Can confirm.

Holy shit

I listen to music all the time at home or when im out and about so i feel as if that usually helps not get it snagged on stuff

BearTheFear he actually got the headphones surgically attached

Underrated statement. It’s so true

As a wise man once said.

probably applies to real life too

As a dev, this is 100% true.

HUMANS are hardly ever wrong about how they feel but they are usually wrong about why that is.

I played journey not knowing about this system, and on the bridge level I met someone and we completed the game together

That’s so beautiful.

Same, with a stranger once we even figured out some codes that meant basic "positive" or "negative", "Stop" and "follow me". That game is such an experience and friend invite and voip would definately ruin it

You might like Sky then

@@TheMCCraftingTable omg yes, i’ve had similar experiences with strangers playing instruments and teaching each other songs or just dancing and screwing around, even in a virtual setting it’s such a profoundly human experience

Turn the whole game into dubstep

I think it would have been most interesting if they actually nerfed the stats of the Thompson until the server stats indicated that the guns were being used at a roughly equal level of effectiveness.

That certainly feels like a more Wolfenstein move, doesn't it?

@@curlywurlycraig That would be the Overwatch approach

That wouldn't have worked in this scenario tho as the MP40 has a very unique, distinct and well known firing sound. Giving it more bass would have made it feel weird, wrong and out of place.

Yeah, Thompson was feeling, I dunno, "uncomfortable"?

yes same with the AK-12 and the AK-zhukov in black squad it's harder to use the zhukov because it's sounds as loud as a sniper it just misses with your brain...

I wonder if MW2 and MW3 suppressed weapons are the same. I play those campaigns on hard with the suppressed AK47 with red dot or ACOG whenever I can, because it seems like the recoil is lower and the gun more accurate than any other assault rifle in either game. Plus, you never run out of AK ammo, because half the enemies drop mags for it.

@@manictiger I don't think it's that more accurate but when the sound is not* that loud and there is no muzzle flash you are more focused on the weapon wait there is recoil in cod LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL edit: not* edit2: like the mp5 in cs 1.6

@@3mar00ss6 Well, there's recoil after it fires. Muzzle climb is probably the more proper phrase.

The Furry With no money then I’d still be using the EPG

Equivalent of .50cal in Titanfall universe is Kraber so........ 'what if respawn made Mozambique sound like Kraber' I would go 'Oh shit oh fuck they gon get me pants' down

20mm lol ***THOOM***

In TF2 I realized the Mozambique wasn't completely useless when I made a desperate shot on a grunt and waited for it's slow velocity to hit its target even at close range. I was surprised that it killed in one shot, but other than that I doubt it could do the same against enemy pilots.

@@SorryBones EPG gang

Well yes, but actually no. It depends on the model of the Thompson, it got slower with every rework. The original could reach 1,500RPM cyclic but the ones used in WWII averaged 600 to 700. The low end of this isn't too different from the MP40's 500 to 550.

Carpe Noctem no it was not for accuracy it was to conserve ammo same reason why the grease gun had a slow fire rate and same reason the stg only fired 500 RPM metal was cherished in ww2 you just shot semi auto when you needed accuracy

Y Yeezyy true as The 1921 version when they had the compensator was easier to control then the M1 version which basically cut up or cut off the compensator.

​@@yyeezyy630 Well no, but actually no. The slower rates of fire of WWII firearms is because the designs of the weapons and the individual soldier's experience driving them, with manufacturing challenges thrown in. War-time designs (such as the Sten, Grease Gun, or Stg-44) were entirely predicated on how fast they could be produced. The metal resources was of little consequence as steel was readily available through scrapping and new manufacture on both sides right up until the end of the war. It wasn't until late 1944 that Germany began producing bullets made of scrap metal instead of lead. The reason they were so god damn slow is the design. The Sten, Grease Gun, and MP40 all employ direct blowback. The heavy bolt and springs used for the "compact" designs resulted in slow cyclic rates. The Stg-44 was slow because of the long-stroke piston design, a characteristic it shares with some modern intermediate caliber assault rifles such as the Kalashnikov designs. The MP40 is unique in that its incredibly long operating cycle was the precursor to some of today's "constant recoil" systems, present in the AA-12 or the Ultimax 100, which both share the MP40s snail pace cyclic rate.

Tristan H if you watch the ww2 training video on them it literally says it fires slower to conserve ammo

cool

No expense spent :p

Are you sure yours wasn't from the 99p store instead?

I mean, Chris's clearly was, the other one must have been really expensive... right? ...what do you mean I missed the point of the video?

I love getting blasted at Poundland.

i think I get what youre talking about

worked for me with css back in the day, added new skins to the main assault rifles and pistols people use, was playing much better. Weird how that works.

Agree, default sounds are weak.

yeah it's weird when the sniper is changed to Ana's healing rifle and it still blows them to bits

@@Rafael96xD The default sounds in Left 4 Dead have such incredibly loud and ear-raping gun sounds that it will lead to hearing damage if you listen to it at the same volume levels as other Source games. Are you sure you're thinking of Left 4 Dead?

I thought it was the other way round. The mp40 being the slower accurate and the Tommy being faster and more wild

I played enough to figure they were identical, but I never could shake the feeling that the MP40 was just way better. Maybe bias because the axis always had advantage on the standard maps.

Mp40 always felt like the better gun 😂

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I always preferred the sound of the Thompson BTW. MP40 was tinny and grating

@@pkaulf Thompson on RTCW was dope but in WET i actually prefer Mp40 and strangely my stats are usually better with they :v

I always played axis because of the funny accents on the voice lines... But the Thompson was the better sounding smg by far. Also this game is well overdue for a remake

I've also dumped well over 12,000 hours into ET.

@@Supadupanerd the Enemy is Weakened! Danke

Na its boom headshot BOOM Headshot BOOM HEADSHOT. You get headshots for days.

Unfortunately, for it to work you've got to fool yourself

Tetris for Jeff

I know nothing about gun design, but now i want to make a semi-auto bolt action that works by having semi-auto clips but you can eject the clip and move on to the next one via bolt-action.

@@a.person1805 Semi-automatic was an upgrade to bolt action. It's just a _bolt_ that operates via the recoil of the bullet, whereas "bolt-action" is manual. I get what you're saying, sadly that kind of design is impossible lol, you can't have both at the same time. There's a reason weapons systems don't involve multiple magazines though, it's more weight for more complications. It's more affordable to use a larger form of magazine, or a box/drum.

@@AWACS_Snowblind Ah ok, that makes sense. Thanks for teaching me about gun design, this was really interesting and makes me see guns in a whole new light, thanks!

@@a.person1805 If you want to learn more, I recommend checking out Forgotten Weapons on RU-vid, they have lots of videos about transitional weapons from bolt-action to semi-auto, including conversions of bolt-actions turned into semi-automatic. Check out the video on the Howell Automatic rifle, the Huot Automatic Rifle, the Bolt-Action to Semi-Auto conversions playlist has all of them.

@@AWACS_Snowblind Impossible? The Gewehr 41M is more than real. They actually tried making it into service.

GiRayne excellent point. I also love Ahoy, which somehow carved out a niche analysing the guns used in games.

Boris Müller I agree I love both channels :P

What? No, in the base game you only had a silvery mp40 or a gatling, both using the same ammo. Just kidding, everyone knows the true base game is Castle Wolfenstein and you only had a pistol there.

@@isawadelapradera6490 In RTCW, the MP40 used 9mm rounds and it did 6 dmg per shot. The Thompson did 8 damage per shot but it had less ammo available. The Minigun (Venom Gun) uses either 7.62 or 12.7 mm (it isnt exactly certain in game) and does 6 dmg per shot too.

@@CharcharoExplorer Pretty sure the Venom used 12.7 mm as it didn't share the same ammo pool as the Mauser?

@@aleksk1978 In-game it says it uses 12.7 but the ammo pick up is for 7.62.

You can get some extra stuff about episodes on Patreon, that sometimes includes extended interviews and stuff. Not sure if this interview will be there though!

It's probably because you know that the allies won the war, you know that the M1 Garand was better in frontline combat than Kar98k, and that the Thompson is harder hitting than the MP40. Therefore, your brain makes it real.

@@stevenbobbybills Well yeah but the popular stereotype is that German weaponry was superior so that cancels that out

@@Jan-rq8mo more like the sterotype is that they had good tanks and well trained infantry, but the us had better infantry weapons and more tanks (both are untrue)

@@nuclearsnek3749 Really? I don't want to be rude but I've never heard about the stereotype of the US having better infantry weapons. Infact the MP40 and the famous Stg44 were renowned for their technical genius but especially the legendary MG42 is seen by many as the best gun of the war. It struck fear into the allied soldiers to the point where the US made a propaganda movie just for it in which they were trying to say "it's all bark and no bite" which was....untrue to say the least seeing how it could litteraly cut a man in half and is still in use today all over the world and still the main MG of the german army

Unfortunately we will never have another team based, highly competitive, customizable and moddable FPS like Enemy Territory again. TF2 came close. Nowadays you buy the DLC or the battlepass for whatever game you're playing and that's it. ET brings many great childhood memories

ngl, at first I thought you were talking about the E.T. atari game

TF2 would like to have a word on the topic of “Best FPS”

@@StrawberryShmello dude you're preaching to the choir here, I played Tf2 8 years, had 8K hours, was a high ranked competitive player and a prominent community member (you can check my profile) so I know what I'm talking about. TF2 had potential to be much more. It was completely abandoned by valve. Nowadays it's a complete mess of bloatware cosmetics and optimization. Yes the mechanics are amazing, but it never reached its true potential.

Kaneco and today, you cannot jump into an official server without finding script kitties or bots. Sometimes, entire teams are made of them. And it wouldn’t be too bad if you A. Could still accomplish contracts on Community servers, and B. If all community servers didn’t have people spamming racial slurs in vc and chat or being the worst type of tryhard; the ones who spawncamp and taunt after every kill

Marek Flanc when he says more kills from the thompson it’s implied that he means overall, that players who use the Thompson tend get more kills on average than a player that uses the MP40 (this is regardless of attacking or defending)

@@porkupineexe6862 ET was asymmetric, so Allies almost always attacked

That was the issue. I was one of the testers who came from Rtcw. It took some time to mentally realize they were the same weapon

Marek is correct. Only difference in weaps that I can think of right now, is the M1 that can't reload, but that was fixed in even the earliest mods. There's also some notes in the game code (where you choose num of bullets?) about keeping the weapons equal, unlike RTCW. That's why Allies have Panzerfaust, FG42, MG42, Axis have Sten (they didn't bother or get to create identical weapons with different skins (they still need a bunch of code), like they did with Thompson/MP40, Luger/Colt, snipers, rifles). Axis rambo medics would often pick up a Thompson because it looked "intimidating", also you would automatically pick up other Thompsons (the victims you rambo-medic'd) which could mean life or death. Allies attack 90% of the time: Balanced teams means Allies are willing to make sacrifices to reach the objective. The marked is flooded with Thompsons in any decent ET-game. Maybe they also preferred the sound. I do.

Same. I remember getting ban from servers because they thought I was "aimboting" Now I get my ass kicked by the bots

John Folan lmaooo the good ole days of being in a 18+ clan at 9yo. I guess my mic was that bad that they couldn’t tell

Saaaame bro, this game was golden.

Are you me? I only stopped to eat and sleep, this game defined my early school years. Spending 16h on a jaymod no reset server getting full rank on everything and 2000XP, I lived and breath this. Then I started competitively as like a 11 year old, I was probably better than I am now loool. They don't make team based fps games like this anymore. TF2 was good but i never felt fully satisfied.

Kaneco I might just be 😳

Hot girlfriend.

Yes fr. The thompson had such a shitty noise it didn't even sound like a gun. The MP40 had that raw metal clanking sound i loved ❤

Additionally, when you begin the game, you are unembered and upon beating the first boss become embered. As a result the unembered HP feels like the baseline, with the embered HP being a bonus. In fairness, DS2 also started with you being hollow, but due to the greying out of your health bar it felt like you were getting rid of a debuff.

It was just louder. There should be an old beta et exe around with the sound file. It may be the same one that had the map fueldump with falling snow.

Game stats

Balance so wheraboos don't rage for having an inferior equipement

@Thomasine J. K

The Charly Code ́ ́ ́ so did they just have a low fire rate on the M1 or did they make the Kar98 functionally a semi auto? I never played the game I’m not sure how that was done

@@Erdnusshund Never played, but they might have slowed down the semi-auto M1 with a recoil animation or something, and gave the Kar98 a very quick bolt animation to bring it up to the same speed as the slowed down M1. Though, this is purely speculation of course.

halo 3 assault rifle is another good example (although the other part was nerfing mag size from 60 to 32 ). they fixed that in halo anniversary and gave a really chunky HMG sounding, well sound

xEnigma i actually never use silencers in games because it doesn't sound cool

I also end up doing that if having a silencer offers no practical gameplay benefit, since they kinda make all the guns sound the same

I just played ET again after all these years thanks to you guys. You definitely should get more recognition for what you guys have created! :)

You can still play it, the servers are still up, some with bots and some (but very few) still with normal players.

I doubt you have 10k hours on it

@@dragosh3073 I played for 12-16 hrs a day for almost 8 years straight. My last relationship failed because of my addiction and it's the reason I don't play today. May not be 10k hours but I have an extreme amount of time in. I have nothing to prove to you anyway. Peace.

They had to wait a few months for the rain to settle.

You are absolutely goddamn right! I wish someone made a remake or something. Also another honorable mention is America's Army, another free to play FPS that was also really great.

Lucas Cunha Rocha i grew up on AA2 2.2-2.4

Yea, best game.. i loved the fun clan servers, also its the only multiplayer fps i know where you can bind “playdead”

I knew that they were the same (the damage, rate of fire, magazine size was all same) and yet I still thought that Thompson was better. It did FEEL stronger.

Nah guys, the one which wasn't your team gun was always the preferred. When playing Allies then I'm always picking up mp40 with equal ammo and vice versa.

Joshua Mccune twl and cal best time ever, spent many years playing for teams such as old skool gamers, excel and united 5

You can still play it, 12vs12 just like the old days. Old Fart server is my favorite.

Almost all old shooters were like that

Agreed.

sounds like you have headphones with shitty dynamic range tbh

Honestly, that's usually just shitty sound mixing. In a game with good audio (Doom 2016, for example) I didn't need to modify the sound balancing at all.

@@user-px2gg3ik4i Headphones? Why would I use that trash over 7.1 surround sound with booming bass that makes the walls dance? But no, it doesn't matter what audio projection device I use. It's the game/movie.

@@Maeldruin It's a rare gem when a game gets it right, though. I never played Doom 2016 as much as I wanted to because everyone touts it as all violence, all gore, no story.

Or maybe the AI behavior happened to be better suited for the new numbers, genuinely making it objectively better.

@@PandoraSystem that's not how it works, that's working "harder" not "smarter".

Do you remember where you read / heard this? I'd love to know more about the specifics, which Halo etc.

@@voodoodolll Unfortunately not, it many years ago, I'm pretty sure it was in a magazine though, which would make finding it hard.

hahaha, yeah. but it was almost dead, when I started playing it.