Although there may be multiple names that come in your head when you think of a GOAT, there isn't one that everyone agrees on. Please let me know who you think the greatest of all time is
@@saveyabreath680 theyve all done roids and gsp and dj cant be the goat when you have been finished before and had loads of close decisions. jones clears
GSP is the GOAT in my opinion. Losses do not matter because he made up every single loss with a victory. To me, greatness isn't perfection. It is the ability to overcome trials and tribulations. He learned from his mistakes and became better because of them.
@@ekayn1606 You don't get capped delts naturally, though and you definitely wouldn't get tham as a fighter when you're constantly travelling, fighting and recovering from injuries
Demetrius Johnson has 12 title defences. Title defence against Adriano Moraes definitely counts even if it is in ONE championship, Adriano is good enough to be a champ contendor in UFC as well
To me he's the goat. Cleared out flyweight in the ufc, has the most title defenses, even after losing the belt in a close fight he went to onefc to win a flyweight tournament and the belt. He's the goat and you either has to be biased or blind to not see it.
Those guys you named are only mentioned by people is because of how polarizing of public figures/ entertainers they were yea they had great moments in there individual careers but there’s a whole list of guys that weren’t as popular that did twice as much as for legacy in their careers
@DWAP580 I only mentioned the above for the casuals and to help make a point. Yes, boxing has many greats and would be interested in hearing who you have at number 1. If any
yeah but he got KOD.. pretty badly and lost a couple fights.. thats one thing you can say about him.. Jon Jones is definitely the BEST record wise.. but the steroids just hold him back so much..@@hankhill5409
@@DADRB0B55Yes Hendrix was robbed but he was also on PEDS so it shouldn't be a win for GSP or a loss. Volk and Islam haven't done enough to be in the GOAT conversation, but they probably will.
Controversy doesn’t matter, ultimately skill is all that matters, also stop being naive, it’s highly like that both gsp, might mouse and majority of fighters have popped at some point.
You could also have mentioned that Khabib never moved up in weight to challenge for the welterweight belt. That is why I cannot put him higher than guys like Jon Jones and GSP on my goat list. It's sad because I am very confident that he could comfortably beat any guy at 170
That is a weak argument. You don't have to be in multiple weight classes to be the greatest and win belts in multiple weight classes in order to be the goat. Jones engaged an I poking, and ped use.
Khabib is the only one along with Izzy fans before he got clapped by Strickland that ever got that toxic, DC fans are pretty hypocritical & toxic as well.
I don't hold GSP's losses against him too much. The fact he came back and not just won a decision or beat Serra and Hughes, he destroyed them and beat them both the way they beat him. He armbared Hughes and essentially made Serra quit from strikes. Plus GSP's list of wins literally could not be better. He beat every single great WW from 3 era's. He beat 4 Hall of Famers, the UFC LW champion, the UFC WW champion, the UFC MW champion, the Strikeforce MW champion, the Strikeforce WW champion and the WEC WW champion. Recentcy bias is the only thing that hurts GSP. Most fans today were not watching the UFC back when Hughes, Trigg, Sherk and Fitch were monsters at WW and have no way of appreciating the level of competition he's been facing since he was 6-0. GSP is MMA's definitive GOAT.
GSP beat the best at their best AND at their own games. He out struck the strikers and out wrestled the wrestlers despite never competing in formal wrestling. He's my personal favorite and will always belong in the GOAT conversation.
3 robbery gift decisions, fighting dirty as fuck, having fewer finishes since USADA came into the sport than controversial split decisions, failed drug tests, and even arrests and almost never fighting someone who wasn't a head shorter with a 8+ inch reach disadvantage are also against Jones. Anyway everyone has their disqualifying asterisks. I go back and forth between Khabib and Mighty Mouse. Silva is in there if you believe he didn't juice before his injury and only count the height of his career
To be fair to Khabib, he had the longest win streak in LW at 13 and the most title defences are tied at 3. A lot of ppl don’t want to put him in the GOAT convo because they felt like he ran away which is sad
@@deniz5140khabib retired in his prime (prob had 1-2 years left of his prime as he was still getting better every fight) and he defo had at least 4 years on top. I'd argue he would have more time on top as he wasn't an athlete that relied on explosive power. If we look in the division now there isn't anyone that could beat him. He was also in lightweight the greatest and most competitive division of all time. Gsp still the goat tho.
@@user-ox9ez8rd2x Its just way to much predictions and barely any evidence compared to the other goats. Gsp was a better fighter than all of his opponents and still had 2 losses. No one knows how long Khabib could have stayed undefeated and how his career would have went over the next few years. He simply retired to early to be the goat.
It’s because he cut so much weight and never faced any decorated grapplers, so he was taking down strikers while having 30~50Ibs on them, Jones only cut 15 pounds in LHW.
Another reason why I think Jon Jones would not be considered the goat would be that he only has a single fight in HW and that was against an incomplete fighter Ciryl Gane. Despite his dominant performance it's not enough to call him HW goat, if he has a few more big fights in HW it would solidify his legacy. Even his fight with Stipe Miocic if he wins won't make him the goat because Stipe is old and hasn't fought in forever.
I’d say goat status would mean that they have success in other weight classes such as GSP having welterweight and middleweight because it shows fighter versatility between weight classes and different opponents.
@@jeffsmith2304 bro gsp had 1 fight at middleweight and beat michael bisbing won the title and retired, jones had 1 fight at heavyweight and won the title. they have both done the exact same thing at the 2nd weight class. what are you talking about
Dude, Anderson was 40 when he started losing. He wasn't in his prime anymore. Only Daniel Cormier would have still beaten him regardless and he fought an older version of Anderson. Chris Weidman was the only fighter to beat Anderson in Anderson's prime. Only issue is both fights ended due to Anderson either playing around or due to an injury. Plus, Anderson Silva wanted to retire before they even made that fight.
One more + for DJ, he went and took a disadvantageous fight in One FC facing the greatest Muay Thai fighter of all time in a special fight with the first round being Muay Thai and was competitive and won that fight in the MMA round. May not be a 2 divisional champion but he took a risk not many MMA champions took especially not one where they won
Kinda got a great point but kind of waffle tbh. What you was kind of saying is DJ has done a lot outside of the UFC that isn't taken into account but the rodtang (sanchai is the muay Thai goat not rodtang) fight shouldn't be a serious factory . Firstly it was an expedition. Secondly rodtang was at the disadvantage as it's easier to enhance some skills you already knew and just not use 1 tool than to completely learn a new tool (DJ was also already a better striker than grappler who did use knees and elbows) so I'd say rodtang was at a disadvantage.
@@cobaltjay9862 The fight was close but cejudo learned from their first fight and kept enough pressure and volume to have the edge over DJ but even if let’s just say it was a robbery, for someone to be even in the conversation of GOAT status, you should be able to steamroll through the best of the best in your prime, Aldo did it, Connor did it, GSP did it, Silva did it, Jones did it. And just to clarify I believe DJ is the most likable dude out of all of these names, been subscribed to his YT channel for 2~3 years now and I watch his content pretty consistently, but in a unbiased POV, I do have to say he does lack in aspects that other fighters excel at.
I feel DJ or GSP are the 2 contenders bc I feel to be the GOAT you have to suffer defeat bc as they say it’s not about losses its’s about how you bounce back from them. GSP avenged both and DJ avenged his loss to moraes and the 2nd cejudo fight was controversial. The only other losses were due to size disadvantage or lack of experience
Anderson Silva's fighting style revolves around his reflexes, and this gets severely diminished with age. Which explains his losing streak. He was old. Anyone you can put into the conversation of GOAT likely permanently retired before they even got to that age.
@@COOlguy-ed5bq 11 title defenses vs 9 title defenses. DJ is a more skilled fighter. Johnny Hendricks. Jones is the goat by undisputedly but DJ probably surpasses gsp.
@@COOlguy-ed5bq I think that’s a argument to be made but I don’t think the skill he faced is so much better to the point we’re 2 more title defenses aren’t more valuable. Also I would say out of them both Henry cejudo is the best guy on both resumes. I think there interchanging. I do think jones is the clear goat though. And fuck khabib
For me it’s either GSP or DJ but I lean slightly towards DJ. His 3 losses consist of a close decision to Cejudo who he also has knocked out. And his other 2 losses are at 135 (in one championship flyweight is 135). And he avenged the Moraes loss twice.
Khabib needs to stop being overrated, yes he dominated lightweight but he had perfect matchups, most of his career he fought nobodies, the 3 best people he beat are all strikers with bad wrestling, perfect matchup for him
Greatness isn't numbers on a page. It's what you see with your eyes. When you've acknowledged important information that inspires you to be better. That is when you know you've seen greatness.
None of these guys (Khabib, DJ, GSP, Silva, Jones, etc) is the GOAT, not even close. As GSP once said: THE REAL GOAT is yet to come, he may not be even born yet. The guys we are seeing now are just prototypes who are paving the way for him, and when he arrives, he is going to turn the sport upside down.
@@felixthehelix1481 It is what it is my bro hahahaha The sport was created just 30 years ago but we're already searching for GOAT. It's like saying a boxer of 1790's was the GOAT. We just have to be patient as things are developing in a higher pace now, so I'm sure we'll be able to see "him" fight.
It's Jones for me. I personally don't mind the steroids; people act like all his opponents have been clean, or that nobody else has ever juiced. The only one I consider to be even to him is DJ.
Exactly right, this stigma against steroid usage when every top level athlete can and will take them is absolutely retarded. If people want to sook and wine about gear then they shouldn’t compete it’s that simple.
Jones is the goat. No question. He dominated almost everyone and the close decisions were because he wasn't even prepared and still won. He is the youngest champion and current oldest champion. He won the best before his generation, he won his own generation, and even after his generation retires he still is beating the new guys. Also very creative, well rounded fighter and highest fight IQ
There is a question lol. The man cheated numerous times. Those close decisions other than Gus were against guys who weren't even that good, and Jones looked like he was off steroids in both of those fights. Reyes got blatantly robbed and the fact he keeps losing in brutal fashion, only makes Jones' fake win over him, look worse. Gane was the easiest fight for him at HW, and Jones actually looked crap in that fight until he got that the takedown and submission. Jones is low-key washed, and he knows it, which is why he's retiring after beating old man Stipe.
@@duhpossible4075 How many times has jones lost his belt? also a dirty fighter too, his eye pokes made the ufc change their gloves. he has been technically disqualified twice in his career due to his illegal tactics. But one guy powered through the pain because it probably would feel illegitimate to win off of it. Believe it or not, fighting is hard when you can’t see your opponent. No one ever mentions that though. MMA should be an art. Like DJ and Silva.
@@duhpossible4075 Even if that's true, two wrongs don't make a right. You people need to acknowledge a big name broke the rules and cheated numerous times instead of making whatboutisms, because its no excuse. Like are we just going to act like a failed drug test for Turinabol means nothing now? Come on.
Khabib is the GOAT. No one ever came close to beating him. Never got dropped, arguably never lost a round, retired undefeated, in the toughest division in MMA and his style changed the game.
khabib is not the goat but definitely the lightweight goat Pro's - 1.TOUGHEST AND MOST STACKED DIVISON 2. MOST DOMINANT FIGHTER EVER / HIS LOW's WERE ALREADY PLANNED (he purposefully gave his neck for dustin poirirer for guillotine to make him tired but people thought Dustin was close) 3.GOD LEVEL WRESTLER, underrated CHIN and CARDIO, weird but effective HEAD movement 4.ONLY LOST 2 ROUNDS in his career which were close and he never planned that out. 5. FINISHED THE TOP LEVEL PLAYERS LIKE RDA, MICHAEL JOHNSON, BARBOZA in their PRIME 6. HIS 3 TITLE DEFENSES WERE AGAINST KILLER's who everyone thought would defeat him 7. his fight against TIBAU WAS CLOSE BUT TIBAU CAUGHT USING PED's after that( he got suspended). 8. GOOD FIGHT IQ / never claimed himself to be the GOAT... he never wanted to be. DISCIPLINED , RESPECTFUL , WARRIOR MINDSET , And a very GOOD HUMAN BEING CON's 1. ONLY 3 TITLE DEFENSES 2. HIS GAME WAS WRESTLING BUT NOT MANY ELITE WRESTLERS OR GREAT WRESTLING TAKEDOWN DEFENCE PLAYERS IN THE LIST excptn{ RDA , TIBAU , HEALY } 3. did'nt MOVE UP THE DIVISON IN WelterW.. WHICH WAS ACTUALLY GOOD CONSIDERING HIS NATURAL WEIGHT { I BELIVE PRIME KHABIB WOULD DEFEAT PRIME USMAN } NOTE: PEOPLE WHO CALL HIM GOAT OF MMA r either HIS personalty FANS or just khabib mad fans... AND PEOPLE WHO CALL HIM A PATHETIC FIGHTER OR NO WEHRE NEAR GOAT ARE JUST CASUALS AND U KNOW WHICH FANBASE/CULT/RELIGION THEY REPRESENT... HONESTLY KHABIB IS HATED NOT AS A FIGHTER BUT DUE TO HIS BELEIFS/FIGHTING STYLE (sometimes)/RELIGION/AND OFCOURSE CERTAIN FANBASE [ u know what im talking about ]
he was on ped's mate... the decision could had been the other way around but it was control time for khabib.. a connor fan calling someone overrated is the most shittiest thing i have heard . aldo,(YOUNG)holloway were his good wins other than that none . he lost to people who beat him so hows that... HUH casual@@Slim-MMA
Funny how people be talking about jones vs reyes controversal decision like a million times but no one talks khabib and tibau match, where khabib wasnt even able to land a single takedown and fogret about khabibs striking in that match😂
@@move3336 Everyone he beat was good including your mum, featherweight has always been top three best and I say the best division. TKZ, Faber, Frankie Edgar and Chad Mendes are his best wins but none of his WEC or UFC wins were bad. Greatest doesn't mean the best, it means the greatest which means the most title defences. Jose Aldo is not the best featherweight ever, he's probably 5th if not less than that.
Aldo's prime was before conor... he was undefeated for like 15 years... and was defending belt for a decade... its not his problem if he didn't get great contenders.... but he still has beaten elite fighters at his time@@move3336
What?? Aldo had one of the greatest title reigns of all time and completely dominated featherweight until the Conor fight. He knocked out Chad Mendes and beat him twice in total, knocked out Korean zombie and beat Frankie edgar twice. And that's just a few.
Imo, losses dont matter as long as they are avenged, in fact it makes for a great storyline when a champion loses because of one of his own vices, before coming to realise his mistakes and making an effort to correct them and come back stronger than before.
Been saying this for years, it's a rock-paper-scissors thing with who the GOAT is. You can make legit arguments for (and against) half a dozen different guys
DJ is my goat. I truly believe if everyone was on an even playing field that DJ would win. He has the MOST COMPLETE mma bag oat. There isnt a thing the man cannot do in the octagon
My GOAT is Amanda Nunes, so underated but I can't find anything to take her from the number 1 After her, I put Anderson Silva... Most of the critiques about him are from things that happened when he was already old. Even the loss to Weidman happened when he wasn't in his prime... His only problem was to take too long to retire... And if he retired earlier, he would be criticized for retiring soon, as Nurmagomedov Then, after him, I put John Jones... But tbh, it's mostly because I can't ignore his personal life and I find dirty the amout of eye pokes he scores.
GSP is closest to the GOAT status. He lose some fight but he get his revenge of his 2 losses anyway, that make him even greater. Also his personality, a role model of the sport.
When we talk about the Domininance and positive influence it gotta be Khabib but yeah he has 3 Title defenses which is very less compared to other greats but we also must realise other divisions aren't even close to being stacked as the lightweight division
the definite goat is GSP, most technical fighter, would beat ANY fighter if they met up at an even weight (yes even jones, since gsp would have to gain weight making him stronger) amazing striking AND grappling, and amazing fight iq
It's Mighty Mouse had his relationship with the UFC management not soured and he had never left, this debate wouldn't have existed, he probably wouldn't have lost to Cejudo if that wasn't the case and went up the weight class won the title and avenged his loss against Cruz probably. It would've been over
dj for sure. he's kept winning in one where everyone is 10lbs + bigger, likely never taken steroids and was extremely donninant. jon jones has juiced throughout his career and mostly fought smaller opponents too. pound for pound, dj is the goat
if we look at just ability, i think Jones is the greatest FIGHTER of all time. He's well rounded with high fight IQ and beats people everywhere. But he is also a freak of nature athlete and always has the physical advantage (height and reach). I think DJ is the greatest MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST of all time. GSP is 2nd but i think DJ is the most well rounded fighter ever AND he is always the one at a physical disadvantage pretty much always fighting against the reach advantage.
I think Jon Jones is the GOAT. The fight against Reyes was not a robbery (1, 2 round Reyes won, 3rd was a draw, 4th for Jones and 5th was easy for Jones) The other close fight was vs Gustaffson (r.1, 2 for Gus but 3, 4, and dominated 5th round for Jones). The rest of his opponents got destroyed and Jon was clearly toying with them. He beat multiple big names. I don't think that Jon's personal life (car accident, weekends with cocaine) changes what he did for the sport. He's the most complete fighter in the world.
3rd round against Reyes was not a draw, Reyes clearly won on effective striking with superior volume and vastly superior impact, grappling was negligent and aggresion/octagon control are not a factor due to the clear dominance on the effective striking criteria.
Calling Jones the GOAT is why people don't take MMA seriously. Other legitimate sports have extremely low tolerance to any such BS. In the UFC, you have the president of the UFC fighting for roided cheats and calls them GOATs.
The GOAT of MMA for me is Fedor Emelianenko. To me, not even thinking about who the best is just seems short-sighted to me. In reality, there is no GOAT because fighters keep improving, keep getting stronger, and diminish in skill over time. To me, Jon hasn't completely proven himself. He fought the best in his division, but most were out of their prime or he waited until they were, like he did with Lyoto Machida. If prime Shogun from the Pride FC days fought Jon Jones, I'm confident in myself when I say that I think he could win
There is a goat and his name is demetrious johnson. Most title defenses, fought a whos who at flyweight, did it clean with no ped or troubles outside of fighting, even after losing a close fight against triple c he went to one fc and won their flyweight belt. Yea he lost the first fight against moraes and lost to cruz but he fought cruz at bantamweight and just got caught with a knee vs moraes. Hes is one of if not the best mma fighters ever.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Demetrious Johnson. One of the longest tenured champs in UFC history, moved to an overseas league with old school pride rules and adjusted to those to defeat some of the filthiest fighters alive on the opposite side of the world, and he's an extremely good ambassador for the sport. DJ requires more credit. He is the GOAT. If his resume isn't enough, he passes the eye test with flying colors. Dude is literally the perfect MMA fighter. Also, the argument that "you must be undefeated to be the goat" is rubbish for several reasons, chief among them is that fighters have different periods of their career, and some go from strength to strength, being so much better than their nearly unrecognizable former self. GOAT should definitely be about the peak of one's career, because 99.99999999% of fighters are going to have at least a loss or two in their career. Jones lost 2 fights at the end of his LHW tenure, but the judges said he won, otherwise he would be out of contention according to casual fans. He's the paper GOAT at best. For sure top 5, but he's the paper GOAT. Stepping up a division to fight the worst possible opponent to beef up your legacy is not impressive, every single fighter he faced at LHW was more skilled than Cyril Gane, and time is going to age this statement like a fine wine, Gane is not a good mixed martial artist. Dude played FIFA instead of training for God's sake. Khabib could've had it, but he left too many what-ifs, and he won't even call himself the GOAT, he's humble. He doesn't care if he's the GOAT or not, nor whether people recognize him as that or not. As far as primes go, GSP and Silva were unbelievable talents who most likely will never be matched in terms of their greatness again. Kamaru, you could argue, was like 75-80% of a GSP and Adesanya was 60-70% of an Anderson Silva, but they left their primes and definitely did not trail off the peak of their careers with any real promise of a return to former glory. Both are likely done as top tier, championship-grade fighters. One Honorable Mention I think has to be Volkanovski, and I think once he beats Topuria, people will be high off of him again. Everyone thinks he's "done" because he lost off the couch to a champion a division above his own, but he'll put that to bed soon.
DJ is a 2 division champ however you look at it. One fc flyweight is 135lbs and he won, lost, regained the title way past his prime. I don't understand dummies crying about the competition he faced! Like when ronda was around the levels were much lower comapred to now at BW. But She's credited as pioneering Womens MMA. When it comes to DJ, why not keep the same energy for him? When he was around he defeated the highest level of flyweight guys that was available at the time. The ceiling was much lower than the other divisions, which still remains to this day as heavyweight and lightweight don't have the same skill ceiling. But that doesn’t mean that HW fighters have it easy. It's a shame.
Being undefeated in MMA just shows you didnt fight enough imo. It became such a big thing in boxing to have a perfect record and it came over to the UFC.
I never really realized but yea besides boxing mma is the only sport that doesn’t have a clear goat Football: Messi Basketball: Jordan NFL: Brady Tennis: djokovic Golf: tiger
Silvas biggest flaw was his cockiness. He kinda ruined fights by running around for 5 rounds because of the fact he was playing with his food. That cost him his GOAT status when Weideman knocked him out while Silva was just goofing around and the rematch he broke his leg. That's how he traded the number 1 spot with maybe not even being Top 5.
The GOAT cannot be undefeated, when you're facing the best of the best, eventually you'll lose. He is still human and all it takes is a single mistake to lose a figt
I know it is too early, and really hot take, but Islam could be the GOAT in a couple years if he doesn’t pull a Khabib. Rn I can only see him getting better and defending his belt more and more. He’s the p4p right now and probably for the next fights unless a big upset happens. Although i cant see that happening since he is prob the most complete fighter in the present
for me it will always be khabib nurmagomedov note , before every fight every opponent knew very well Khabib had only one gameplan take you down and beat the shit outta you round 1 on anyone , takes them down regardless who it is dagistani handcuff and wrestle/ground and pound if they survived round 1 round 2 same process repeats , takes them down and they get dragged into this feeling of they can't do anything against it despite knowing his gameplan and training weeks to stop it round 3 same over and over and over eventually ref stops or they get tapped out they break mentally and physically or they survived all rounds being smeshed mercyless for 5 rounds and khabib wins on decision that's what makes him to me the best to ever do it his style was just unstoppable no matter who you are
You forgot about paddy pimblett. Clear goat. Chad behaviour to hold a high chin and take strikes like an amateur to make your opponent think his hits dont do nothin
That fight with Dominick Reyes was an absolute robbery. He was handily beaten for three round straight, which by all definitions was a win. And we'll likely never know the extent of PED usage by Jon Jones, but there's so many fucking stories about it, and there's such a relentless, never-ending amount of stories of him either being involved with PEDs to an extent, or just being a truly awful person outside of the ring. It's not like Khabib hasn't had a certain amount of steroid allegations. I would weigh GSP or Johnson as the GOAT really. Both decent people with humble personalities and a competive etiquette. Both were highly capable and charted careers. GSP's definitely got a few sus moments here or there, and I'm not on about the nipple tweaking as much as I am fights like the Johnny Hendricks one. By contrast, DJ lost his last fight in the UFC by a controversial decision, which Cejudo debatably didn't even win. But again losses aren't everything, there's plenty of context to them. GSP's losses to Hughes and Serra were avenged **dominantly**. DJ's losses prior to his title run such as against Cruz are symptomatic of being in a weight class too large for him. I mean Aderson Silva's losses prior to own run are far less 'damaging' to his GOAT potential as much as the fall ones are. Jon Jones? Definitely not a GOAT, awful person IRL and confirmed cheating athlete without much doubt, clearly had USADA benefits to an extent. Also blatantly cheated in the ring with eyepokes and arguably illegal knee strikes. He flat out lost to Dominick Reyes, so his record if you counted the DQ as a win would probably just be the same with a +1 win and still 1 loss. Arguably if he had been penalised for his other cheating behaviours then he might even have more NCs/DQs. Greatest does not mean best. Ali is considered the GOAT of Boxing, whereas Lennox Lewis is arguably the Best Boxer to have ever boxed. There's more to it than just record, especially when that record is tainted. Khabib Nurmagomedov? Crushed quite a lot of cans in his career, had a fairly uncompetitive rise given the people he was dealt to fight. Retired quite early, let's be honest. You can make the argument he retired when he should have, but he didn't remain around to fight into his twilight like other people on this list. Anderson Silva? Confirmed Drug cheat, just because he fought other drug cheats shouldn't vindicate that. He was handily defeated by Left-Hook Larry Bisping, a clean athlete at his own game. The subsequent losing skid, and the fact he nearly lost to Sonnen, and later to Weidman fully, was over his arrogant persona in the ring. Pride ultimately struck down Silva quite handily, and in the end his loss streak did a huge disservice to his legacy. Demetrius Johnson? Ruled over Flyweight quite heavily, but only Flyweight. Lost pretty one sidedly to Dominick Cruz, those suplexes yikes. But he was a clean athlete, conducted himself well and was unfairly targeted by the UFC. His final fight in the promotion was arguably either a win, a draw, or a very very close loss. GOAT of Flyweight undoubtably, but just not likely the GOAT of MMA. Had he beaten Cruz and been successful like Cejudo was at Bantamweight, he may have had a very close chance of being the Greatest. GSP for me is the GOAT. Whilst he arguably is up to 3 losses, he avenged two of those dominantly. He defeated Bisping at his prime in a pretty decent showing at Middleweight. He ruled over Welterweight and defeated both Penn and Hughes, who without him likely would've competed for GOAT status themselves. Clean athlete like Johnson, very strong record of fighting and for sure, a well rounded and decent guy. Yeah he's made mistakes here and there, but otherwise I can't fault GSP for the spot. Impressive stats, brilliant performances and excellent legacy. Clean, no personal bullshit involving abusing his wife or doing roids, or drugs, or being alleged with either.
It’s not a debate at all there’s only one goat and he never lost a round, he’s the undefeated undisputed champion with the biggest arms, greatest charm and did all the harm. Chael P Sonnen
By that logic, then someone that That only competed in heavyweight can never be the 🐐. You can be a specialist at the same weight class or different weight class. You never hear anyone saying muhammad ali is not the goal You never hear anyone saying muhammad ali is not the goat because he only Is fought at heavy weight. Or by that logic if someone only played one position in baseball they Would never be considered the goat
Jon literally has title defenses against OSP and Chael who both have 17 Losses but khabib finished Justin & Dustin who are still ranked top 3 and ppl cry that he had a padded record.
Crazy how Bones would be the undisputed GOAT if he had never been popped for PEDs… but then again, maybe he would have lost a few fights due to not being on them… who knows
It wasnt that Silva wasnt better than the next generation, it was that the next generation was 10 years younger than him, he was no longer in his prime.
