Why The Very Strange That '70s Show Spin-Off Failed 

His bird quit. And quite frankly, it's no longer legit.

@@VictorVonDoom909 it's time for the clothes off, pose off!

It was a good starter show.

@@korndog81 A starter show... This show is a finisher show! The depiction of gods! The Golden God!

Fuck, that is a next level comment right there. Kudos!

Well said

The show wasn't even supposed tonbe called That 70s Show. It had another name but I think execs kept referring to it as 'that 70s show' that the creators just rolled with it. The time period was never the real focus of the show.

100% this. We watched the first episode and, when it became clear that the whole show was going to scream "THIS IS THE '80S" every five minutes, we never watched again.

@@DamienDrake I never even watched a whole commercial for it. The first few seconds always made me change the channel.

@@adamvialpando106 "Teenage Wasteland," if I remember correctly.

Let’s be real, Fez was always like that. He lusted after Jackie and constantly fawned over her in a creepy manner, except he was seen as being more innocent because he was the “new foreign exchange guy”. By the time the decade came to an end for the series, he was already a westernized American boy with all the typical tropes.

@@TwoBs "By the time the decade came to an end for the series, he was already a westernized American boy with all the typical tropes." Which is why they should have used him as the That 80's lead.

@@TwoBs what are you exactly, a jaded school psychologist? Seriously, such killjoys all of you are. Trying to ruin all of our childhoods. You want to be miserable? Do it on your own. Anyone using terms like "trope", is usually a d-bag. Fez is fucking funny. Don't tease the foreign kid.

@@psychedelicfright85 it's not teasing Fez, who just plays a character anyway, it is criticism of how his character is written

@@SIZModig lol "Don't tease the foreign kid", is what Red used to say. This BB looks like a troll account, and look at the words this person used. Who talks like that?

@Ty Dye pretty sure that's false

@@domholden5926 It is: "This pilot was shopped by the actors around various studios, their pitch being simply showing the DVD of the pilot to executives. After viewing the pilot, FX Network ordered the first season."

Wow! Mind blown! You are so right!

@@condohatesme in your defense there are a lot of shows that got big in weird ways. I wanna say they started as a RU-vid comedy troupe, the way the dudes from Workaholics made a skits online and pitched a show and Lonely Island (Andy Samburg, Akiva Schaefer, Jorma) pivoted to doing Digital Shorts on SNL. I could be wrong of course but FX really did used to just play old action movies and have been creative in expanding their market. My favorite animated show of all time is South Park and as many know that was two goofy buds from film school who animated a 10 minute gag about Jesus fighting Santa by cutting out paper and put it on a VHS tape that found it's way to a comedy central exec. I studied media in school around the time RU-vid launched. I enjoyed making short films but ultimately was too self conscious to have the drive and motivation to stay at it. Even now I have a billion ideas a day that I let fly away. The point is I've done everything a studio does from the writer's room to the technical director's chair where they flip the feeds on live TV but I didn't want to do local news and knew I couldn't afford to move to LA or NYC to create. RU-vid came out around that time, but again, I pussy footed around and gave up. I found out last year that Markiplier went to my high school. He was in marching band playing the same instrument as me a year after I dropped band because my best friend thought it was lame. Not only did I miss out on two years of fun, competitive music, I could have networked and created with the goofiest guy to make millions by making people laugh but, unlike Mark, I didn't drop out of college when I should've. Fortunately the housing market crashed and I've been perpetually broke ever since. Hmm. That was a little longer than intended.

Always sunny sucks

I didn't saw the whole series, but I used to watch some episodes when I catched them on tv. I found it to be really funny, and before this video I had no clue it was a cheers spinoff haha

I didn’t know it was a cheers, I like Fraiser

I didn't even know Frasier was a spinoff to Cheers until in one episode, I heard them refer to Frasier on it!

My brother’s favorite show for years was frasier and he’s never seen Cheers. He didn’t even know about it until I told him.

I've never seen cheers, love Frasier

I just hope he doesn't jam and jam and jam someone until there's nothing else to jam. We'll see.

Talk about a rebound

Just wait till he peaks

@@korndog81 he hasn't even begun to peak

@LembeckIsStaying I've got no clue of that reference, but it sounds like there was a lot of jammin going on... what kind of jam was it?

Mash?!

@@idontwannaidontwanna7307 mash only ran for 11 years, it's always sunny's been running for 17 (neither are the longest though so..)

@@chrazzl regardless, the original comment still stands

@@chrazzl Meet the Press is the most longest running TV program; it's been on air since _1947_ . Not even joking.

@@rayvega3163 i mean i guess thats a comedy show, topical humor and all

Freaks and Geeks was set in the 70s!

@@franohmsford7548 it wasn’t…

@@joejames1794 It was set in 1980. The 80s didnt become the 80s until around 83-84. I dont think Freaks and Geeks should be labelled as the true 80s show. Its set on the eve of 70s life style and pop culture.

or, Everybody Hates Chris, but, specifically the 80s in Brooklyn

@@Jays_dead_cat Hard disagree on that. Freaks and Geeks is a true 80s show, it's just that the 80s were far more diverse than their stereotyped version. If you can only rely on the basest stereotypes for a whole decade, you get stuff like That 80's show.

Exactly. This is why a lot of retro based shows or movies are hard to watch. For some reason 80s throwbacks overdue the references.

So basically That 80's Show is a period Big Bang Theory?

Not just that but nobody was nostalgic for the 80's yet. If it wasn't a song or movie nobody cared for nostalgic 80's tropes

all about them. LOL

When the fuck was Eric likeable? He was the most fucking annoying protagonist in history. The people who say he was likeable are the people who see the show as nostalgia. I watched it 3 years ago, and hated Eric from the start.

Cant think of a better one tbh, and it got better as the seasons went on which is super rare

Fraiser is the best spin off show ever

Mayans MC is a pretty solid spin-off

Better call Saul is a good example of how to make a spin off work

facts

Such a great show.

I doubt it

@@davidmckesey7119 Why, Because of the implication?

Ok

@@angeldelgado7120 no, because he needs his tools!

Ironically Brittany Daniel actually played Eric's cousin in an episode.

The hard nosed but loving dad. Epic

Also the cast were all friends behind the scenes too. It made the relationships between everyone on screen way better I think.

@@joe.limbus I don’t believe that’s true, I know several of the cast didn’t get along. Topher grace was originally suppose to be a bigger aspect of the show and was bitter as a result that’s why he’s absent from reunions, also Mila Kunis and Ashton didn’t get along however they are married now haha

He played a great dad.

and, Carmen, one of the few people The Gang didn't destroy.

So you guys actually watched this back then?

@@boratsagdiyev5679 they're talking about it's always Sunny in Philadelphia. The actor that played Dennis in that show is in the thumbnail of this video

*I AM A GOLDEN GOD*

@@boratsagdiyev5679 i did. It was hyped up by FOX and when it aired it was awful and not funny

Makes sense, because I felt the same way. When watching That 70s Show with my mom, she would comment and say “lord, this is like watching my own high school years with the references”, but when we all watched That 80s Show …. ehhhh. The references were there, but it’s delivery didn’t hit. The chemistry among the cast was bare, and it felt like I was watching a show set in the early 2000s with a bunch of people who were stuck in the 80s. It didn’t _feel_ like they were actually in that time period and it became obvious the show was only done in hopes of making some bank off of That 70s Show audience. Plus, That 70s Show worked SO well because at the time it aired, the fashion styles from the 70s was starting to make a comeback in the late 90s. It even helped spur some of my own fashion choices during that time (like copying an outfit Jackie had and wearing my hair like Donna’s to my first day of 8th grade lol). When That 80’s Show aired, there was no revival for the 80s fashion at the time. Skinny jeans, acid wash denim, and teased hair was far from a comeback, and the spin-off just didn’t feel authentic with the style choices. Looked a lot more like costumes at times than anything - unnatural.

Doubt you will see Hyde

Me too, especially if we get Eric and Donna cameos, and most of the gang, other than Hyde, naturally!

@@trinaq they should literally say Hyde joined a cult and committed a sex crime.

@@justinwalters9811 yeah wouldn't be that surprising

Nah, it should use a new younger cast. That decision wasn't wrong, nor the connection to the Foremans. But the show can't primarily revolve around the 80's backdrop environment. It needs to be a well written show with characters people care about first.

Oh god, that would mean more Randy. Are you insane?!

Eric's actor didn't want to be part of the show anymore which is why he wasn't in the last season at all besides the last episode. And both Kelso and Jackie were moving onto bigger things so it's unlikely they would of wanted to come back either

well were all in luck now, an actual continuation spinoff called that 90s show is coming soon :))

This show came out before That 70s Show ended.

The 80s show?

​@@frutfly Wouldnt the 80s show actually give you more chronic pain?

@@josephmagliocca3628 I thought Schooled was modeled after Cameron Diaz’s movie Bad Teacher.

There's a universe where that 80s show kicked off and IASIP never happened.

Its creator modeled its characters on himself and his family, so they do read true to life

Although it isn't something extraordinary, I really enjoy The Goldbergs :) it makes me laugh a lot and the family dynamics are done well!

@@jonnnnniej it's certainly not groundbreaking by any means. But it's a solid, cleverly written show with likeable characters and a pretty sweet soundtrack that is actually entertaining as we. Im ok with them cashing in on my Nostalgia when they do such a solid go of it 👍🏻

I thought Trump was a golden god.

His rage knows no bounds.

@@megalon84 begone vile man! Begone from me!

The Lizard King

It's a nice starter car.

You’re right, though I think the new IT movies are a notable exception to this rule. But that’s also set in the horror genre so it makes sense.

Yeah, cynicism wasn't really typical of the 80s mindset. That came much later.

Yupp, like I said earlier, perfect for sitcoms like Family Ties and such. The 70's is perfect for this show... a group off burnout teenagers, a hippie burnout right after the 60's ended. A cynical war veteran still "young" enough to play an actual working man. Yet, all his cynicisme comes out as hilarious. Also, the economic hardships with Red losing his job and such... the love/hate for discomusic, feminism in it's full bloom and lets not forget the epic circle moment that would never work in an 80's show. Perfect era for such a show.

Nostalgia is a positive feeling. Adding cynicism to the mix is a great way to shoot yourself in the foot.

@@DamienDrake Nostalgia isn't a feeling perse. Bittersweet would be a better way to describe it. Looking back to both the positive and the negative things in life.

I wouldn't say it's a big role but he's a side character in the first season of Fargo. He does an amazing job! Billy Bob Thornton is in it also :D

The only other thing I ever knew him from was the small role he played in The Strangers

*Although it HAD already started!

Yeah, The Goldbergs has done a better job with the 80s for their comedy backdrop, though they left the main character in high school far too long. He started in his young teens, but now he's in his 20s.

That 80s show was ahead of its time lol

Have you ever heard of the "30 year rule"? The idea being that a culture will become enamored with the romanticised aesthetics of the culture from about 30 years prior, give or take a few years. Happy Days is a solid example, a late 70s sitcom about teens in the early 50s. Same with, as you said, Stranger Things, a 2010s show about 80s kids. This is probably a huge reason why That 70s Show worked; while yes it started in the late 90s it really hit its golden age in the early 00s. It was just enough time between then and the target era to be in that sweet spot. Meanwhile That 80s Show was depicting an era that was just starting to make a name for itself, as far as defined aesthetics go.

All very good points in this thread. And yes, the Goldbergs, while not an amazing show, is quite respectable and does do the decade more justice than the 80s show

@@swishfish8858 I've never heard of this, but it is an interesting concept. It certainly has merit based on previous examples.

I just found out of it when i started recently rewatching 70s show 🤣🤣🤣🤣

That happens alot kinda like you don't notice the person until they become famous for something els.

@@violetdusk1968 That's like I don't remember Chyler Leigh or Brittany Daniel being in this show, instead remember them from other movies better, Not Another Teen Movie and Joe Dirt respectively.

I thought 'Hey! Isn't that Jeaney?'

@@Nandru85 i thought of her as alex from supergirl

@@Nutachi19 It was a pleasant surprise seeing her there!

@@Nandru85 yeah

In Dennis's defense, the cast of 80s Show was so annoying! I (barely) lived through the 80s and there were people like that. They had NO friends because they were posers.

and, once again, Carmen (Brittany Daniel) survives. The Gang just can't/won't destroy her, besides Mac breaking her nose

So the new class?

Have some monkey beer and you'll be ok...😉

"That 2000's Show" could have a scene where the characters are watching That 70's Show.

@@willverschneider1102 the fact that the debut of That 70s Show is now farther in the past than the show’s setting was at the time really messes with me

Like how the turtle club scene from master of disgusie was filmed during it? Heck it was humorous for me and my cousins except we had no idea what was going on since we were little

Thats what all shows and most movies for that matter from the 2000s - present have the same cynical abusive attitudes, and I also saw people in real life at junior high acting the same

Me too, though I came across a few RU-vid videos about it recently, so it's not completely forgotten!

nope. haha.

I remembered it for Chyler Leigh and guest appearances by some 80s musicians like Pat Benatar and Tiffany.

It got better as the season progressed and developed. They had guest stars like Pat Benatar and a member from Duran Duran for example. That '70s Show took a little time to develop too, all sitcoms do. That '80s Show just wasn't given the chance to do so and it's sad because within the last few episodes I was really getting into it

@@isaiahmarker407 Pat Benatar and Duran Duran were popular in the 80's, not the 70's!

Right?! That what I’m trying to figure out! I used to watch it every day!

The Goldbergs suck ass

@@BertMustin_ What you don't like it?

It’s explained not even 3 minutes in….

Sophia was supposed to be Eric's cousin, but it was never stated on screen.

Oh would ya?

They weren't despised by me. Class of 02.

@@NoelComiX well, they were by me hahhahaha

I feel like the Wedding Singer and Donnie Darko were a couple of the first movies to tap into 80s nostalgia. I don’t remember it being despised, but 80s style was made fun of to seem old and outdated.

@@MrVisde You're right, despised may be a strong word... I personally couldn't stand 80's music, but later came to appreciate it. Anyway, it took a few years for it to become a nostalgia phenomenom

@@nataliacarrera5755 i legit wore a white sport jacket and t shirt at my graduation party in 02. Loved Miami Vice. My friends dad was a dj and he made me 80s mix tapes from his library. 📼

You are probably around 45 and grew up in the 80s. For me, who grew up in the 90s, the 80s are a boring time in which nothing happend, while the 90s are a vibrant and interesting decade. There's nothing iconic about the 80s, but the 90s are full of iconic images.

I was not alive at all in the 80s and this is just my opinion. It just seems to me generally speaking the 70s and 90s share a similar vibe in a general sense. And that is one of the reasons why “That 70s Show” resonated so well with a 90s audience. Just a very basic observation that’s all.

Mallagalla Bumbum wasnt born in either and hes right, 90s were an amazing decade but boring compred to the bombastic 80s imo.

@@mallagallabumbum8209 didn't grow up in the 80s or 90s... but no. 80s was the decade of decadence for a reason lol. That decade was vibrant, full of consumerism, etc. Its far too much. It was all about who and what. Whereas the 90s settled for more laid back after all of that. The clothing even mirrored that reality, in both decades

None of this matters if the writing is funny and the characters are actual characters

It's like you're implying something. An implication.

Agreed, the actors are all funny in other projects, but not in this show, where the writing let them down.

This. I caught it on Hulu too. First few episodes didn't even seem to know what it wanted to do outside of "hey, it's the 80s!" The characters and subplots got fleshed out after it was too late in the season to win the audience back.

They are coming out with a that 90s show