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Why The Wait For TV Shows Is Out Of Control 

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@babyboomerang8595
@babyboomerang8595 Месяц назад
I wrote the first verse of the theme song for 'Dogs on Mars'... We took them for granted when they were ours They got bored hanging out the windows of speeding cars They found their place among the stars Dogs on Mars
@jezlawrence720
@jezlawrence720 Месяц назад
Question: at what point do you expect the number of people pushed back to piracy by the sheer number of walled gardens to tip over into a napster style crisis?
@k____k____
@k____k____ Месяц назад
it's already happening and reported on; also look up "stream hopping" where people switch services every other month
@TheOfficialEmirati
@TheOfficialEmirati Месяц назад
ISP's crackdown on torrent traffic now compared to before.
@michaelrobson3460
@michaelrobson3460 Месяц назад
Every one - except me - is already doing that
@michaelrobson3460
@michaelrobson3460 Месяц назад
Every one has a box of some sort
@banky2398
@banky2398 Месяц назад
Another reason people buy dodgy discs & use illegal downloads is streamers refusing to release physical media. That is their own fault, just look at Warner (which might change) who release on demand blu-ray that is also region free. I would love to own Liseys Story and Silo on an official physical release, hopefully with extras.
@mostynf
@mostynf Месяц назад
The kids in season 4 of Stranger Things were noticeably three years older than in the previous season, and yet they still made it one year later in the timeline - that was a bit much. With adult characters you can get away with it, but kids change really quickly. I’m still waiting for more Severance and White Lotus. Sometimes I almost think it’s better to discover a show that’s many years old that has been completed, because then you can watch the whole thing in your own time with no waiting two or three years.
@rogue13131313
@rogue13131313 Месяц назад
Kids? They had grandchildren by season 4
@joepiekl
@joepiekl Месяц назад
Stranger Things should have been a perfect self-contained single series TV show. It was basically a long version of a great 80s kids movie. Then they started throwing out all of that carefully-crafted character development because they needed plotlines for the next series and the next one. S2 was still good, but I stopped watching after S3 because it was just nostalgia at that point.
@chandrawong449
@chandrawong449 Месяц назад
I found the amazing show Deadwood on HBO within the last year - having no idea is was a 20 year old show. I was really sad when it ended because the show didn't seem 'finished' but then the Deadwood movie was recommended. I got to watch the movie immediately after finishing the series without having to wait 13 years like the people who watched the original episodes airing weekly. So, I certainly agree with your last statement :)
@mostynf
@mostynf Месяц назад
@@joepiekl I know what you mean. It’s probably something that’s gone on longer than it was originally conceived. But I suppose that is a problem with tv shows - they don’t start with a guaranteed five season run, it tends to be “see how season 1 goes and then there may be more after that.”
@mostynf
@mostynf Месяц назад
@@chandrawong449 Yes, I watched Breaking Bad and The Wire after the whole things had been completed. It’s never too late, especially if you haven’t heard any spoilers, as you can enjoy it just the same as anything completely new but without the waiting.
@philipsheppard4815
@philipsheppard4815 Месяц назад
One of the big differences is old style TV used to be 20 odd episodes but all were usually self contained, with maybe the odd two parter, so all those had a beginning, middle and end every week. Now most streaming series seem to be one story spread out over 10 hours of which probably two or three hours could have been cut out. The final episode of Stranger Things was 2 and a half hours, that's longer than most films!
@Elwaves2925
@Elwaves2925 Месяц назад
Yeah, back in the 80's and earlier everything was self contained, even with two-parters and by the start of the next episode it was all reset. The only continuity was with the occasional recurring character. Then in the 90's they really started using season story arcs, continuity with character's personal dramas, all mixed in with the standalones. Now only the American procedurals etc seem to be doing those longer episode runs. In many ways, I prefer less episodes per season. The 20+ runs had far too much filler, even if it was good filler but all it really meant for many shows was - here's this characters episode, here's the episode for this one, here's the returning guest star and so on.
@MrFuzzyGreen
@MrFuzzyGreen Месяц назад
And you can blame Star Trek DS9 for initiating series long story arcs.
@MrForbinator
@MrForbinator Месяц назад
​@@MrFuzzyGreenBabylon 5 has entered the chat...
@PeterCarroll83
@PeterCarroll83 Месяц назад
Thought it was curious mentioning ‘Lost’ as an example of a legacy style show. I remember being unfortunate enough to watch that show in weekly instalments and by the end I was hate watching just so I could finish it. ‘Lost’ went on for at least 5 seasons too many, it could be argued 2 seasons would have been more than enough to tell the story and maintain plot integrity. It was the first show I experienced that kept being renewed for season upon bloated season and opened my eyes to the American tv model. It was a show which became a victim of its own success, the writers started introducing more and more incongruent storylines, it literally and figuratively, lost the plot. Personally, I’ll take a show being well written and achieving to tell the story in a 6-8 episode run within 3 seasons even if it means there’s a bit of a wait as opposed to another ‘Lost’.
@Elwaves2925
@Elwaves2925 Месяц назад
@@MrFuzzyGreen Only for Star Trek, other shows were doing it at the same time and earlier than that.
@nataliejohnstone1214
@nataliejohnstone1214 Месяц назад
These days I don't usually waste my time or get invested in the 1st season of a show especially on Netflix until at least a 2nd season has been announced.
@fozzyami
@fozzyami Месяц назад
Since the demise of top of the pops, "the charts" doesnt really have any visibility to the general public. There's nothing remotely like it that replaced it. Now everything is fractured to various streaming services and thats really individualised so who knows whats what anymore?
@IanWickenden
@IanWickenden Месяц назад
I wouldn't mind the long breaks between each season, but I'm frustrated there's rarely a recap of what's happened previously, so I'm utterly lost. And as Marina said, I'm not going to re-watch an entire series again just to catch up.
@Sleuthanizer
@Sleuthanizer Месяц назад
As I've understood it, the reason bands are not really a thing anymore, is the fact that people don't really make money from the music itself anymore. What makes money is concerts and tours. Therefore it is a lot easier to just be an artist alone on the poster. Way easier to schedule, when you can just rent the rest of the band, cause people only come to see the headliner anyway
@chrisclarke4295
@chrisclarke4295 Месяц назад
The only people who make money from concerts are Live Nation and Ticketmaster which is now the same company They control the whole market by controlling not only almost every single act but also every major venue So there's very little money in touring for bands now too. As well as streaming has eaten all of their sales for very little return
@EastyyBlogspot
@EastyyBlogspot Месяц назад
The amount of subs and fragmention is getting ridiculous, it was a while back but the wife wanted to watch outlander and some seasons were on one service and the other season was on another
@morphunkown
@morphunkown Месяц назад
I've had it multiple times where i wanted to start watching a show but cant find season 1.
@mlvy
@mlvy Месяц назад
The hypothetical timeline Marina gave was for a prestige show heavy on VFX due to fantastical locations and characters. That does not describe most shows. But even if it did, note that the first 6 seasons of Game of Thrones all released within an interval of around 12 months of each other. The 7th season launched 15 months after the 6th. Only the final season took 21 months between premieres, ironic considering it had the fewest episodes. I suspect this atypical delay was due to HBO wanting to hold on to the biggest show attraction they had at that time. GoT fits the mold of the show that Marina described and yet they clearly had no trouble maintaining a 12 month release cadence for most of its run. ---- Another contemporary HBO show Boardwalk Empire ran for 5 seasons and all of them launched in September in consecutive years. It featured multiple Hollywood actors and was a period piece so needed extensive VFX as well. Yet it too managed a 12-month release schedule without deviation. ---- Looks like the main reason for the prolonged gap is the increase in sheer volume of shows being commissioned and the creative talent taking part in multiple projects at once, rather than the crude labor time for the production process.
@chandrawong449
@chandrawong449 Месяц назад
I agree. Plus, her timeline included 15 days of shooting per episode for 10 episodes (I think). Only when all the episodes were shot could post-production begin. There may be a good reason this happens, but I don't understand why post-production on episode 1 can't start while they are shooting episode 2. Some of the post-production work likely involves people in the production of the rest of the series, but certainly a lot of work could be done concurrently (it seems to me as someone who doesn't know anything about the industry at all).
@margaretgaskin4928
@margaretgaskin4928 Месяц назад
The streaming series problem seems pretty easy to solve if it looks more like what we're used to in Britain where writers rooms are less a thing. Comission one series of 12 episodes, to be aired in two parts. Six episodes dropped in spring, with a cliffhanger ending; the remaining six in autumn (with the opportunity for a slight tweak if response to the first is very poor. People get their breaks; stars sign up to a second whole series/ year before getting to expensive. And the continuation can be much more flexible re cast changes if the concept stays strong.
@walkingandadventures6114
@walkingandadventures6114 Месяц назад
The thought of K pop on bbc will force me to not pay the licence tax…
@Ralellin
@Ralellin Месяц назад
I loved the way arcane was released in small batches of episodes but have got rid of netflix because of the ads. It defeats the purpose of paying a subscription.
@achatwithalex474
@achatwithalex474 Месяц назад
On the band front, feel silly saying this considering who Richard's brother is, but I have two friends in different bands. They've both said playing live as a new band is so costly that unless you're a legacy band on a farewell tour or reviving a still famous career, the avenues for promotion are far more limited than as a single act
@chandrawong449
@chandrawong449 Месяц назад
Is this because you're splitting profits between 4 people instead of a solo act getting everything themself?
@achatwithalex474
@achatwithalex474 Месяц назад
@@chandrawong449 I imagine that's part of it, but also only playing say two nights at most at every venue means more logistics cost, having to potential hire more support which is what they've done and also the up front cost of a new venue is often greater than being able to play in one place across a whole week. I would of thought as well it's easier for investors to see potential in a single act than in a band, arguably less politics for starters. Should say I have no experience myself, just what I've learnt
@alfsmith4936
@alfsmith4936 Месяц назад
@@chandrawong449 It's just easier to have someone sing to a backing track, than transport, set up and engineer the sound of a live band. Why invest your time and money in a group of musicians, when nobody really cares?
@spooony2714
@spooony2714 Месяц назад
Another big issue with long breaks between shows is that people die. It's morbid, but making people have to wait 20 odd years for the resolution of a story is just a bit unconscionable as a good percentage of people who watch the pilot episode will not make it to the finale.
@JHallenbeck
@JHallenbeck Месяц назад
As Marina said the words "marketing-wise", the video went straight to an advert. Well played, upload team. Well played.
@Bushdoctorbeats
@Bushdoctorbeats Месяц назад
Streaming services are getting rid of all their USP’s and starting to feel like a bad alternatieve to network television: commercials, pay to watch on extra tv, series/seasons splinterend over different services, etc….
@afrocomber
@afrocomber Месяц назад
I am more frustrated in how long it takes certain TV shows to be broadcast in the UK, than how long it takes for them to be made. In an era where the media is digital not film and where social media means spoilers are near impossible to avoid, there should be no excuse for long periods between different markets. Sky understood this with Game of Thrones, simulcasting the episodes at 2am with HBO in the USA. Channel 4, amongst others, do not understand this!!! The Young Sheldon final season is finally being broadcast starting on the 21st of July, over 9 weeks after the last episode has broadcast in the USA. My social media feeds have been flooded with spoilers, set photos, news on spin-offs etc; All very avoidable. It's not the first time, How I Met Your Mother, a programme that was based on teasing the identity of the mother for EIGHT YEARS, flooded social media with the identity and media of the mother within minutes of the relevant episode airing in the USA, potentially spoiling it for any overseas watcher. Why can the powers that be not get their heads around the idea of a global TV market?!
@ShatnersBassoon
@ShatnersBassoon Месяц назад
I sidestep this problem by not watching Young Sheldon
@keef82
@keef82 Месяц назад
The number of ad breaks on these videos is insane
@andybrice2711
@andybrice2711 Месяц назад
I like the convention of having a feature-length finale in a series. But yeah, having episodes vary between 40m and 1h20m is a bit weird and annoying.
@pjjaad
@pjjaad Месяц назад
I dont watch any new series on any channel until its at least two seasons in these days. It really pisses me off when s show is cancelled for any reason after the first season. Too many times a great show just gets stopped. We invest our time in the show and then it disappears, warrior nun a classic example.
@melissah8415
@melissah8415 Месяц назад
American TV has vastly improved in quality by following the British model with 6-8 episodes per season. It's meant that veteran actors can do a show and still make films and do stage work. It improves acting all around when actors have the opportunity to do lots of different acting. Star Wars shows about the only ones who drop one episode per week. I suppose when a serial show signs an actor, they will have to stipulate in the contract that they have to be available for shooting the show above anything else they do and then make a schedule that is set so the actors can do other things. Same for tech people.
@achatwithalex474
@achatwithalex474 Месяц назад
I sometimes wondered whether a by product for extended breaks, separate from actors or writers other commitments, is that when the following season eventually arrives, you not only capture your existing audience but a potentially new audience who will rewatch the previous season thus reinvigorating its release.
@chrisclarke4295
@chrisclarke4295 Месяц назад
First series of Severance ended on one of the biggest cliffhangers in TV history and it's going to be a few years until the second series is out. Massive gap in between the two series of Andor It's a wonder there's not more concurrent filming between multiple series Covid-aside, anything over one year between the series seems bizarre and anti-consumer
@Miltroit
@Miltroit Месяц назад
This doesn't seem like a new thing to me, Sherlock was like this starting back in 2010. 3 more episode/movies every 2 years, final series was 3 years after the one before. We all got that the cast and crew were busy with other things. I wished they were more frequent but who doesn't with a favorite show? There are plenty of shows that fill the regular timeline niche, a few shows that feel they can work outside it, it's up to them. I haven't watched any of the ones discussed, because I can't be bothered to sign up for even more streaming services at the moment, but down the road, perhaps I'l sign up and work through the catalog. The long hiatuses kind of help with streaming service jumping. Sign up with one for a bit, watch the shows, cancel, pick a new one.
@forcesensitive6371
@forcesensitive6371 Месяц назад
Yellowstone side show, 1923 disappeared without a trace 2 years ago. I liked it but I'm sceptical about it's return. No one talks about it, even though it had Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren as it's main stars.
@DSQueenie
@DSQueenie Месяц назад
It was a one and done series tbf.
@forcesensitive6371
@forcesensitive6371 Месяц назад
@@DSQueenie Really? With the ending it had, clearly there were intentions for a 2nd season.
@joepiekl
@joepiekl Месяц назад
The one that does my head in more than anything is 8 Out of 10 Cats Does Countdown. It's all over the place with its scheduling. At first, I assumed that Sean's death may have resulted in episodes having to be removed or changed, but I looked back on Wikipedia, and it's always been like that. You just never know how many are coming. Sometimes you get a nice run of 6-8 episodes, but sometimes it'll come back on and then 3 weeks later, the 'series' has finished. Which is weird, because old-school 8OOTC was a pretty consistent 11 or 12 episodes per series for 10 years. I know it's a longer and more complicated show to make, but it's still annoying when you never know how many are coming.
@geraldmcmullon2465
@geraldmcmullon2465 Месяц назад
Many, if not all Korean series are a single season and fewer episodes than American copies. e.g. "The Good Doctor" and "Extraordinary Attorney Woo" even with an international following and demand for another season. The Good Doctor US had 22 episodes per season, 10 in the final 7th season. "The Good Attorney" had a pilot (as an episode in the Good Doctor) and never a series. Many UK series, get a single season of six or eight episodes and get wrapped up. If they do get a second season, two years later it has come and gone before you even hear it was being renewed and you have to hope it becomes available again over the next 5 to 10 years. Most shows never get the conclusion, left on a string of cliff hangers, in completed story lines but a few do at least get a comic (graphic novel) conclusion; but again not exactly advertised but at least do hang around with a mention on social media 10 years later. At least when coming to a series after the show is over you can be warned as in "don't bother with GoT season 8" or Heroes after the first season. You can also watch them in the correct order (Firefly) and where characters get killed off and appear in an episode a month later (Sliders).
@timbeaton5045
@timbeaton5045 Месяц назад
Interesting in this era of the "one day and date" drops, Apple TV seems to have a policy of releasing episodes weekly, more like traditional TV. So at least there should be a shorter gap between the end of a season, and the start of the next. Although Severance looks like it's going to be a long wait, and probably Silo...two of my recent faves.
@Elwaves2925
@Elwaves2925 Месяц назад
Never watched Severance but Silo has a panel at ComicCon end of the month, so they might announce the season 2 date there. It should be later this year....hopefully.
@andybrice2711
@andybrice2711 Месяц назад
It's less of a problem when each season ends a story arc. Like _Dark Matter_ had a satisfying, definitive ending. They could make more seasons, but they would be like sequels. Whereas _Silo_ ends very much on a cliffhanger.
@paz1576
@paz1576 Месяц назад
I believe that The Darkness album Permission to land was number 1 in 2003 with the single ' I believe in a thing called love' getting to number 2. There's not been many though.
@GazGaryGazza
@GazGaryGazza Месяц назад
I think you’re absolutely wrong about the lack of influence the USA now has on children, it’s absolutely huge and all because of this very platform RU-vid, it is dominated by US creators and I regularly hear English children commonly using American words rather than their English counterpart, they see US cultural references pumped to their eyeballs 24/7 from the USA
@DSQueenie
@DSQueenie Месяц назад
Yeah but I’ve also found Americans referencing British culture and slag more for the same reason.
@liquidmorpheme
@liquidmorpheme Месяц назад
I don't think people in monied media have caught on to how influential the RU-vid consumption of the younger generations has been for them and their expectations. I listen to the slang of these gens in the U.S. and it is 100% born out of RU-vid trends (especially considering that if they catch some TikTok virus they do so though a RU-vid port). And it's not just slang, you can hear it in how they tell anecdotes and jokes, the narrative conventions they're familiar and happy with, their relationship to low-quality video and audio, how creating something works (am I starting from scratch, or am I starting with a reference), and on. In some ways I think it's great, because it fully contradicts the forms that billionaire money has made of these things, but it's also troubling. The real point, though, is that the top of the chain doesn't seem to have figured out, and I think the industry will heave as these kids continue to grow
@Ulleskelf
@Ulleskelf Месяц назад
"Seoul music" 💗 *chef's kiss*
@NettiesWorld4
@NettiesWorld4 Месяц назад
I have never been interested in America. My passion has always been Japan since watching The Water Margin and Monkey and the original Shogun. So glad that others are catching up.
@ppeter1982
@ppeter1982 Месяц назад
I watched the Last Kingdom all the way through until the final series where, just because of the enormous gap between series 4 and 5, I couldn't remember any of the plot lines and lost all enthusiasm for it.
@Dubplatespecial
@Dubplatespecial Месяц назад
Same! Haven’t got through the final season on Netflix and wondered how I had completely lost my enthusiasm for a show I had really previously enjoyed!
@mikelbentube
@mikelbentube 4 часа назад
AC/DC not doing private gigs is not a surprise... There's no f-in way I'm playing no f-in gig for those f-in c-ts!!
@daninjamonkey1
@daninjamonkey1 Месяц назад
part of the problem with Streamers is that they want everyone to binge it, TV is something to be done in a weekend or two not enjoyed piecemeal over 8 weeks or however long it is. The gap between seasons seems so much longer because the audience has to wait for the entire process to happen after the season has "finished"
@ad3z10
@ad3z10 Месяц назад
The idea of South Korea sounds amazing but the reality for young people there is so far from any kind of hope and optimism. The hyper capitalism there has lead to insane working hours and time spent studying to the point of creating one of the least happy nations on the planet.
@ThisIsARubbishName
@ThisIsARubbishName Месяц назад
I know that (at least for the kid shows I watched get produced from afar) it was 2 years between seasons due to - everyone doing other work (panto, DJ'ing) - getting special guests - writing - post prod But that's it - it was mainly pre-assigned activities.
@chaddy65
@chaddy65 Месяц назад
No bands is in large part due to new technology - individuals can make their own backing tracks no need for musicians
@JPBelanger
@JPBelanger Месяц назад
Did a similar check 1980 and 2010 on US charts 1980s, 520 weeks on billboard hot hundred Bands: 215 weeks at #1 # of bands: 78 # of artists: 159 2010s: Bands: 61 weeks at #1 # of bands: 9 # of artists: 89 There may be more segmentation that push away bands, as there seem to be a smaller number of artists. (A band, in my definition is something with a band name: Air Supply == band. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers == band. Singer featuring... == signer)
@cybergornstartrooper2157
@cybergornstartrooper2157 Месяц назад
Funnily enough I was going to ask why the turnaround for TV is quicker than a movie which is typically at least two years
@philipwhiuk
@philipwhiuk Месяц назад
Marina Hyde's 'controversy section' is just the section titled 'The Sun'
@LiveInConcertUK
@LiveInConcertUK Месяц назад
There’s no shortage of great bands out there. Besides The Last Dinner Party, check out HotWax, The Mysterines, Black Honey, Lucia & The Best Boys, Coach Party, English Teacher, The Clause. They attract a wide cross-section of fans of all ages but tend to be swamped for mainstream media attention by the legacy bands who continue to record and perform into their dotage and are very profitable for promoters.
@alfsmith4936
@alfsmith4936 Месяц назад
There's no shortage of them but they all need second jobs. Bands are a mugs game these days.
@user-lu8hl3bg4x
@user-lu8hl3bg4x Месяц назад
Thoroughly enjoying these podcasts. Interesting, relaxing and fun!
@michaelrobson3460
@michaelrobson3460 Месяц назад
So, in the 90's the Christmas dvd episode was a thing. The grand tour have just done that for 3 years. The 60s 'to the eighties there was always a Christmas terrestrial special. They were all made, as we know, in the summer, so, i can see the netflix requirement being x episodes and an annual Christmas special, from now in
@ENGABU1
@ENGABU1 Месяц назад
I would Definitely book the Nick Drake tribute act
@susanbond9431
@susanbond9431 7 дней назад
The lack of bands is lead by the record companies, it's cheaper to run a soloist than it is to run a band
@petersmith1343
@petersmith1343 Месяц назад
I was surprised by Marina's comment that as a teenager the USA was the centre of her cultural universe. That never happened to me and I am in my 70s now. Did I miss out on something? :)
@marknewbold2583
@marknewbold2583 Месяц назад
Did your servants not change the channel for you?
@geraldmcmullon2465
@geraldmcmullon2465 Месяц назад
Being in your 70s then you were a teen in the 60s. The 50s saw British artists copying American. In the 60s UK bands dominated the music scene and the Beatles landed in America and everything changed. In the 70s we got Motown. UK TV had a lot of US comedy shows in the mid-60s at around the 6pm time slot and of course Star Trek.
@liammcnichol3369
@liammcnichol3369 Месяц назад
Think another factor into the lack of bands these days is cost, from a record labels perspective it’s much cheaper to get one person and then bring in session musicians rather than pay or 4 or 5 members of a band. Also I’m not sure how much Little Mix, JLS etc can be classed as bands.
@banky2398
@banky2398 Месяц назад
Do people honestly not remember Lost used to have weeks between episodes due to production delays, then shortened seasons because of the writers strike (which also got the blame for a rushed finale)? To be clear I love the show and stayed up to watch the live finale (which I enjoyed and made me cry) and aftershow on Jimmy Kimmel. (why does RU-vid keep correcting 'the' to 'he'?)
@DrCalamityJan
@DrCalamityJan Месяц назад
Re: dogs on Mars...all dogs must be rescue dogs and at the end of each episode there will be a link to adopting the dogs appearing in each episode.
@MrFuzzyGreen
@MrFuzzyGreen Месяц назад
Show of the week to watch for me was Daley: Olympic Superstar now on iplayer. What a great honest look at the man. Brought it all back, tons of great footage. Got quite misty-eyed and tense and jubilant and bloody everything!
@Evemeister12
@Evemeister12 Месяц назад
Ah for the old days when we all had to make our own entertainment.
@RubbishGimpy
@RubbishGimpy Месяц назад
My friends booked Chaz for their wedding. Dave had left at the time which he decided after his wifes death. Chaz didn't turn up alone, he had two other musician with him. Thats a pretty astonishing statistic about bands popularity these days. I feel vindicated about not taking an intrest in modern mainstream music. The 90s movement was about discovery new indie bands, it sparked Britpop. THE INTERNET HAS RUINED THE WORLD.
@SeidlerDenmark
@SeidlerDenmark Месяц назад
I gave up on waiting for next season of The Handmaid’s Tales, Orange is the New Black, Outlander and The walking dead. Now I wait until all seasons are ready
@jamesaddison3228
@jamesaddison3228 Месяц назад
Just the length of the explanation of why TV shows have long breaks required me to go back to the start of the episode to understand the setup…. Dogs on Mars = hit show!
@Britishshadow
@Britishshadow Месяц назад
They mess with stuff so much that I now deliberately wait until the tv show has ended before stating to watch. Also, quite a few hit TV shows failed on season one, such Only fools and horses and Seinfeld.
@willhopley
@willhopley Месяц назад
Question: Following on from your discussion about breaks between seasons of TV shows, I would much rather show runners didn't rush to get new seasons out, and instead, take their time to finish the shows we love. So, what happened to the writers of Game of Thrones, David and Dan? They absolutely ruined the show, by rushing off to produce a Star Wars spin off, which seemingly never came to fruition. What are some of the TV shows that you think were perfectly written, start to finish, because from my experience, these are extremely few and far between.
@mickharrison90
@mickharrison90 Месяц назад
Really sad statistics about bands in the charts now. It was great in the 00's seeing loads of guitar bands about.
@richardtickler8555
@richardtickler8555 Месяц назад
German ARD makes a lot of series that are designed as 3 or 8 or whatever parts and then its done. No cliffhangers etc. If you do this you can still add stories in that universe if its a hit. The way they do it now turns me off series anyway. I basically know that the ending is gonna suck
@sie4431
@sie4431 Месяц назад
4:40 I believe actors had to sign up for 5 series. Having gaps between series never really hurt British series but as a fan of Severance it's been a bit of a pain waiting for the second series to arrive.
@Amy-tb3rd
@Amy-tb3rd Месяц назад
Richard you bang on about Thursday murder club the movie we can’t wait! You’re exactly right with the delay on tv. I was waiting such a long time for the new season of the boys, I watched the first episode and found I had lost interest 🤷🏼‍♀️ I believe from such a long wait 😔 I was very much hoping from your thumbnail for an update on severance 😕 left on a cliff hanger nearly 3 bloody years ago 😤
@Nerd_of_Anarchy
@Nerd_of_Anarchy Месяц назад
Its simple! Wait till you hear its the last season of a show. Watch all previous seasons, then the last season as it runs.
@felinetherapy4782
@felinetherapy4782 Месяц назад
That is crazy about the bands. Bring back the bands! Is this why I don't seem to like much 'charting' music at the moment? Guess I'm old. But I do like me some K-Pop!
@terry9819
@terry9819 Месяц назад
I can understand the time it takes for a new show but I'm surprised at the approach taken by known IPs like Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Dr Who, Wheel of Time, Marvel, etc... Where they seem to go out of their way to abandon existing fans and try to create a "new" show for a different fan base. If they built on the IP they are using instead of destroying it their job would much easier.
@MoonbeameSmith
@MoonbeameSmith Месяц назад
Still waiting for The Orville to reemerge
@LukeDavis0
@LukeDavis0 Месяц назад
I'm always confused when I hear Game of Thrones mentioned as an example of long waits between seasons. They managed to put out 8 seasons over 9 years! That doesn't strike me as an exceptionally long wait at all!
@definedphotography
@definedphotography Месяц назад
there was a big gap between seasons 7 & 8. the rest were on a yearly (or near enough) schedule
@BdotRASS
@BdotRASS Месяц назад
It's so weird hearing your take on seasonal TV. For me, there's so few good shows to watch that I'm happy to rewatch a prior season in anticipation of a new season of something good. Also what's with the love for weekly shows? I'd much rather watch something at my preferred cadence. Don't think my family has ever managed to watch an entire season of something that airs weekly without falling off.
@yancowles
@yancowles Месяц назад
It's because it's much cheaper for record companies to sign up, record and promote solo artists rather bands.
@Dextrovix-42
@Dextrovix-42 Месяц назад
Darn it, I tried to cite this video under a new section on Marian's wiki page called "Controversies", but those darn Wiki editors reverted it, oh well... ;)
@jamieemerson2741
@jamieemerson2741 Месяц назад
The point about the decline of sketch comedy in favour of stand up is interesting given how there is actually a lot of sketch comedy online, just from individual comics acting out all the parts.
@steveambrose5580
@steveambrose5580 Месяц назад
Huge cutbacks on spending from the streaming production/companies.
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 Месяц назад
I don't buy the explanation for the big delays between seasons. All those problems existed before. Actors having other projects, for example, has always been a thing. Sarah Michelle Gellar filmed Cruel Intentions between seasons 2 and 3 of Buffy, for example. She told the producers of Buffy that she wanted to do it and she was the big star that they wanted to keep happy, so they said yes and found a way to make it work. The producers of Cruel Intentions knew her schedule for Buffy and fitted in around it (and made sure she could keep up with her fitness routine during filming so she was in shape to return to Buffy). If everyone wants to make it work, you can absolutely make it work. (I'm not exactly sure when Sarah Michelle Gellar slept during all this, but that was her choice!) The real reason is very simple. There used to be a broadcast schedule that you had to stick to. If you were 6 weeks late, you missed your slot in the schedule, so that wasn't an option. Since they had no choice, they got it done. Now there aren't any hard deadlines, it is inevitable that things slip.
@fozzyami
@fozzyami Месяц назад
Dogs on Mars needs to be stop motion puppets with Laika (Kubo and the two strings) doing the production. Just to add a bit of time to the project.
@NettiesWorld4
@NettiesWorld4 Месяц назад
K-Pop is a rip off of J-pop. It wouldn't happen if Tsuyoshi Kusanagi from SMAP didn't go to Korea as Chongangang in 2001 and taught himself Korean. As part of the Johnny and Associates the J-pop business was and still is HUGE. Although there are other great music in Japan since the 50s. Not there is a Johnny's problem but J-pop ruled the Eastern part of the world for a long time. Unfortunately, most if the entertainers didn't speak English which is why it hasn't spread as much.
@kellyd152
@kellyd152 Месяц назад
Great episode ,both at their best . Loved it .
@jimbabwe3246
@jimbabwe3246 Месяц назад
I believe if you want to write a good show then you figure out the end first, then work backwards. I see so many good ideas for shows then have no idea how to do season 2.
@marjar.5978
@marjar.5978 Месяц назад
Correction. If you “lose” a member of BTS, it would NOT be a small thing. It would be DEVESTATING. People (Army, the fanbase) might have a bias for one or two members, but they are a unit, a family. Not just group of singers to us. Same thing with all, or most of the established groups.
@lakrids-pibe
@lakrids-pibe Месяц назад
I'm glad I listened to this episode the second time, for the first time I thought that "Dogs on Mars" was a real series. Haha!
@johnpotts8308
@johnpotts8308 Месяц назад
Who knows - in 5 years time, it might be!
@willhopley
@willhopley Месяц назад
In my opinion, it is a little annoying that it takes so long between seasons, but I also would rather that a show runners and writers take their time to finish a show perfectly rather than rush to get it out and ruin one of my favourite shows.
@icarusandtherabbit
@icarusandtherabbit Месяц назад
Severance is the worst offender. “Dropped” 2022 S2 coming out mid 2025. Also Doctor Who filmed “season” 1 and 2 back to back. I’m assuming RTD knew it was crap and pushed out as much as he could before Disney pulls the plug. Replace RTD, bring in a writer’s room, bump up the episode count, bring in a continuity expert and sensible decisions on story writing need to be made. Hurray!! no more House or Dragon extended adverts!
@GothamClive
@GothamClive Месяц назад
Taboo released season one in 2017. Season 2 is currently in production.
@morot172
@morot172 Месяц назад
They have announced a release date for season 2, January 17! Considering that the first season started in February it's gonna be short of 3 years between the seasons. Quite a lot of course but not necessarily when taking the strike and rewritings of the script considered.
@neilrocks25
@neilrocks25 Месяц назад
I really want to see “Dogs on Mars”.
@RubbishGimpy
@RubbishGimpy Месяц назад
Surly the chocolate would melt in this heat resulting in sticky paws.
@BooksWeCanRead
@BooksWeCanRead Месяц назад
Same old playbook ppl gotta stop falling for it. Same with Uber and the taxis. New company uses up as much of its funding as possible promising the world all it has to do is have enough initial investment to wait it out til the competition looses power and ppl get used to your product, then the switcheroooo. 🤷‍♀️
@michaelrobson3460
@michaelrobson3460 Месяц назад
Bob Dylan was doing 10 weeks in silicon valley at 10 million a pop invitation only, not long ago.
@stewartbrodie1720
@stewartbrodie1720 Месяц назад
Young people might not look to the USA for their music culture, but they're totally in thrall to Netflix, Amazon, Disney and RU-vid for everything else.
@travisolson9413
@travisolson9413 Месяц назад
Dogs on Mars........Already sounds better than 90% of all upcoming shows. Also, a great name for a new band!
@andrewmontague9682
@andrewmontague9682 Месяц назад
Far too much in the way of post production these days. Dr Who was shown LIVE when it came out in 1963. I’m not suggesting we go back to that but there is far too much reliance on added material.
@AndyRossism
@AndyRossism Месяц назад
Not quite, it was recorded pretty much as Live, but not actually broadcast in the moment as Live.
@TheGreatSteve
@TheGreatSteve Месяц назад
I missed an episode of the first season of lost, and so I thought I'll catch the show on repeat. I have since never watched a single episode. I totally dodged a bullet with how that show turned out.
@FarmerJAB
@FarmerJAB Месяц назад
What’s the story with Richard mentioning ‘Dogs on Mars’ please?
@AWSgraphics
@AWSgraphics 15 дней назад
i'm ready for dogs on mars
@trevorbrown2813
@trevorbrown2813 Месяц назад
When you talked about bands you forgot to mention Wham! who reached number one 3 times.
@snackplaylove
@snackplaylove Месяц назад
Ironic conversation to have while sponsored by a Sky show - they get the shows out on time, but not to the quality we’ve come to expect from other sources.
@SuperKickFarty
@SuperKickFarty Месяц назад
British culture is renowned across the world. America, India and Eastern Asia are obsessed with it. American culture is out of favour worldwide and in the uk. So why is Britain not able to capitalise on this? The only brits that seem to be able to be creative are posh and have nothing interesting to say. The Tories have killed art in this country. We talk about soft power and how much of an easy win it is. Punk is dead.
@PaulMcCaffreyfmac
@PaulMcCaffreyfmac Месяц назад
I thought kapok was the stuff in lifebuoys and old life-jackets.
@daylightrambler
@daylightrambler Месяц назад
31:50 Bands used to be common because one person could only play one (or two, if you count the voice) instruments at a time. With the rise of DAWs (digital audio workstations), one person can create an entire soundscape in a few hours.
@bkelly776
@bkelly776 Месяц назад
Just because there aren't many bands in the charts doesn't mean there aren't any active ones who are truly smashing it at the moment. Nothing But Thieves, Jungle, Kasabian are all huge British bands who drew absolutely huge crowds at Glastonbury. NBT just had their song featured as the BBC's opening titles for Euro 2024. Plenty about if you are looking.
@BravoManUK
@BravoManUK Месяц назад
Can we please have at least one topic per episode that Marina finds objectionable as it's brilliant when she goes into rant mode. 🙂
@thekaratekidpartii2169
@thekaratekidpartii2169 Месяц назад
How old is Osmond? I swear the last time young people thought America was cool must have been in the 1950s.
@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV
@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV Месяц назад
The 1980s was really into the 1950s and American culture... :) The 80s guy 'greed is good' era was global, yet a very 'murcan thing. Their fall was popularity was post-Iraq and 911
@thekaratekidpartii2169
@thekaratekidpartii2169 Месяц назад
@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV You’re possibly talking about media perception-which is usually dictated by the aspiring lower middle classes. But, I grew up in the 80s and 90s and no one I knew gave a shit about American culture. If anything it was embarrassingly uncool-and it turns out, it still is. The funny thing is, though, I recently moved back to England after living in the US for a few years, and it’s really the Americans that think they’re cool more than anyone else. They’re nothing if not optimistic.
@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV
@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV Месяц назад
@@thekaratekidpartii2169 You lived in a very different 1980s than I did then! :D Muscle cars, denim and rock was all the rage for us...
@thekaratekidpartii2169
@thekaratekidpartii2169 Месяц назад
@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV Clearly I did. I suppose it’s how you define “cool”. If you’re going by the mainstream then Take That and The Spice Girls were cooler than shit back in the 90s-they weren’t, by the way. And as for the 80s and the “greed is good” nonsense, that’s exactly what British people revolted against, in terms of deep culture. We had The Smiths, The Happy Mondays, Joy Division, the beginnings of rave culture, heroin, The Young Ones, alternative comedy, growing anti-Thatcher/anti-conservative sentiment, Brit pop on the horizon, Cool Britannia just around the corner. I will admit that Hip Hop was pretty cool back in the day… but they managed to ruin that, too. Now, in defence of America, because it was my home for a long time (Atlanta Georgia is part of me) and my wife is American, the actual music scene out there is phenomenal. Go to Memphis or Nashville or even New Orleans, it’s just amazing.
@RedS0n
@RedS0n Месяц назад
As someone who was a teenager in the late 90's early 00's, I was definetly in awe of America, due to the number of American TV Shows I watched at the time.
@bobfish7699
@bobfish7699 Месяц назад
Dogs on Mars Sounds awesome. when ?
@MoonOnAStickFilms
@MoonOnAStickFilms Месяц назад
2-0 to Richard, a very low scoring 'by and large' this episode.
@MK-rt2gm
@MK-rt2gm Месяц назад
Money money is why they go to those kinds of private shows.
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