Why the Zonal Acharyas Struggled: An Interview with H.D. Goswami 

The Host of this channel is Biased against Ritviks or anyone who honestly wishes to follow Srilla Prabhupada. There is no expectation of an honest content from him or his channel. Typical mindset of an ISKCON brainwash which will try to run a propaganda for a imperial guru regime that has been there always.

they struggled because its all bogus crap and a scam. Prabhupadda was a fraud. my favorite Prabhupada quote is where he says women like to be raped, Children can be beaten, blacks should be slaves and that he was 22 years old when he honeymooned his 11 year old child bride. what is yours?

Panchadravida me dijo a mí personalmente que Prabhupada no dejo esos 11 gurus iniciales.

Correct. They were all lying thieves. Not appointed as gurus at all. Tried to steal everyone they initiated instead of offering everyone to Srila Prabhupada and Iskcon. In fact everyone they initiated are Prabhupada Disciples

Hare Krishna 🙏 Thanks for your comments. I agree with much of what you said. As Hridayananda Goswami explains in the video, most of the initial gurus were in over their heads. I agree that they should have been more circumspect and cautious about taking up such a weighty role. Unfortunately, a number of them were eager to become guru and they committed offenses and fell down. I also agree that the certain gurus in the Gaudiya Math did a great service by giving shelter to ISKCON devotees who became alienated from the movement, or outright kicked out. Regardless of whatever unsavory qualities Vaisnavas like Hridayananda Maharaja or others may have displayed in the past, I always focus on the service they have rendered, and their trajectory in spiritual life. As Krishna says in the Gita, one who worships me is a saint, even if he commits the most abominable activity.

Oh, I didn't realize that. Thanks for the heads up! I changed the settings.

Dear Jon, Hare Krishna! I would be interested to hear more from you about your friends' experiences with the Gaudiya Math. If you're open to speaking more, please write to me at -- lokaramadasa@icloud.com

@@iskconhistoryarchive I would very much like to share my experiences; however I am a non-tech geezer in the middle of major life changes. please keep after me and it will happen.

Every acharya says one must approach a guru and surrender and render service. We should be very careful not to surrender to an unqualified person. That is the responsibility of the disciple. Although there are gaps in the Bhagavata parampara given by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and Srila Baladev Vidyabhusan, this is because it is not a diksha parampara. Visvanatha Chakravarti Thakura, for example, is listed after Narottama dasa Thakura, because they were both prominent, empowered acharyas. However, Visvanatha Chakravarti Thakura DID have a diksha guru. Every Gaudiya Vaishnava acharya has followed the shastra and has taken diksha from a physically present guru. The post-samadhi ritvik theory is apasiddhanta. It will definitely have some benefit for sincere persons who follow Srila Prabhupada. But they are not fully following Prabhupada, because Prabhupada instructed that one must accept a guru and surrender and render service (See BG 4.34).

The Host of this channel is Biased against Ritviks or anyone who honestly wishes to follow Srilla Prabhupada. There is no expectation of an honest content from him or his channel. Typical mindset of an ISKCON brainwash which will try to run a propaganda for a imperial guru regime that has been there always.

​@@iskconhistoryarchivePrabhupada always emphasized accepting a "bonafide" guru, he never appointed any guru successor's, the 11 appointed ritviks started the deviation by not following the order of Prabhupada.

@@anon80792 so WHO is saying to accept a cheating guru? One must pray to Nitai and SP to show us who is his pure representative. Even if we look at BSSTP's final instructions, it was to form a Governing Body and continue the Mission. He also says Acharya (even more than one, why not) would manifest. He could have named, Abhay Charanarvinda would become Diksha Guru, or Bhakti Prajnana Keshav Maharaj will become Diksha Guru, or anyone else. But he did not do anything like that. This very premise is faulty, that only who has been given some letter or named in some cassette is bonanfide. When SP arrived in America, his disciples there see his conviction and spiritual potency. THAT was their proof. They were not like, but Swamiji, where is your 'appointment letter', where is the 'proof' that you are 'authorised'. NO!

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Correct. Imposters. Ritviks only. Liars and thieves

So nice to hear that Joan! Your words of encouragement are deeply appreciated. I am also publishing audio-only interviews on Soundcloud -- soundcloud.com/bolohari By the way I saw your other comment about the FDG acronym but didn't get a chance to reply. It stands for "female diksha guru." This is a controversial topic within ISKCON at the present time, and has been debated for more than 20 years. The diksha guru is the spiritual master who formally accepts the disciple by bestowing a name and accepting the disciple's vows to chant a prescribed number of rounds and abstain from sinful activities. Hopefully there will be some clarity and resolution on it within the near future. But the main thing is that as spirit souls, we are all equal, and we are all eternally servants of Krishna. This is the highest vision and it is the core teaching of scriptures like Srimad-Bhagavatam. Wishing you all the best in your spiritual journey in Krishna consciousness. Your servant, Lokarama Dasa

grow up!!!

The Host of this channel is Biased against Ritviks or anyone who honestly wishes to follow Srilla Prabhupada. There is no expectation of an honest content from him or his channel. Typical mindset of an ISKCON brainwash which will try to run a propaganda for a imperial guru regime that has been there always.

By that same logic, disciples were forced to take initiation according to which zone they were in, and so on. It seems there are rubber stamped gurus who then inherit rubber stamped disciples.

@@tulayamalavenapi4028 Little Howie Resnick was not "forced" into the vyassasan. It appears that all of them jumped into it quite willingly.

Thank you for your comments. I am working on a timeline and will publish it on the bolohari.com website along with our other interviews. You are right that history should be balanced and as objective and impartial as possible. However, interpretation of events for the purpose of understanding not just "what" happened, but also "how," and "why" is an equally important aspect of the study of history. These questions of how and why allow us to learn from the past, instead of just mechanically reporting it. So my aim is to present a devotional history that simultaneously presents historical events while also giving some analysis through the lens of Vaisnava scriptures. The views expressed by interviewees do not necessarily reflect my own, and my book may present an opposite perspective than what they share, if I find that other testimony or evidence contradicts it.

I agree with you. It's an over-generalization to say that the Gaudiya Math was doing this, since the Gaudiya Math split into more than 40 individual groups over the years following the departure of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. However, one godbrother of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada did attempt to convince Achyutananda Prabhu that, being a senior godbrother, he was the rightful authority of ISKCON devotees and that Prabhupada should be operating under him. This was in 1970 and you can hear more details in my interview with Bhavananda Prabhu on Soundcloud -- soundcloud.com/bolohari/bhavananda-prabhu-narrates-the-1970-mayavada-incident I also agree with you that the scriptures present many valuable instructions on serving as a spiritual master, and that, if these basic principles had been followed, most of the problems ISKCON leaders faced would have been avoided. I think what Hridayananda Maharaja was speaking to was the fact that he and his godbrothers were not uttama-adhikari gurus. So when they attempted to act on the level of Srila Prabhupada and receive elaborate worship, they ran into problems. They would have benefitted from a "manual" on how a madhyama-adhikari can serve in the capacity of guru.

“Attempt” is the the same as “try”. They aren’t descriptions of what happened. They are interpretations of what happened. The way to present history is to take the role of a fly on the wall. A fly simply sees and hears things. It never assumes motives or emotions. Thanks for your service.

several Gaudiya Math Gurus starting in the early 80s re-initiated a number of close associates of mine including my best friend for no real reason.

I suppose I am sensitive to the situation because I was also part of that era, having joined the movement in 1980. There was a concerted endeavor to make us inimical to the Gaudiya Math, and in regard to me, that endeavor was successful . When, some ten years later, I came to appreciate the glory of some of those Vaisnavas and experience the profound benefit they had on my spiritual life, I was overwhelmed with the pain of my own state of heart -- that I had dared to judge them. My appreciation of Srila Prabhupada increased exponentially at that time. That was the very experience that convinced me of their authenticity. And that appreciation has to this minute not stopped growing. I appreciate the sober way you presented your point. That is rarely found in discussions online, on sensitive issues.

​ @vaijayantimala5930 Hare Krishna! If you are interested, I'd be open to doing an interview with you sometime to hear your perspective. If you like, you can write to me at lokaramadasa@icloud.com You may appreciate the interview I did with Swami B.V. Padmanabha, who also found much inspiration in the Gaudiya Math. Here is the link to the interview -- soundcloud.com/bolohari/swami-bv-padmanabha-interview-part-one

I agree with you. I laughed so hard when he said that he was forced into the vyassasan. I also wonder if he really has a Ph.D. from Harvard. He always couches his discussion in academic terms of sociology, the history of religions and the like. I feel as if he is always trying to mislead and obfuscate. WatchvHenri Jolicouer's video on this guy.

Ritviks who will have their own disciples after Srila Prabhupada departure. Do you read Srila Prabhupada's books carefully?

Bhatt ji kyu nafrat felaa rhe ho

Chalo na apna bhajan siddha krte h

Srila Prabhupada clearly says they become regular Gurus after his departure.

@@sarthakdas-qr1moNo he didn’t 🤦‍♂️

You are right that we should be careful who we hear from. As a researcher, it's my job to hear from many different sides and try to come to the most reasonable and historically accurate presentation. I personally do not agree with Hrdayananda Swami's characterization of Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja and the Gaudiya Math in general. Still, I think it's important to hear from him and others in order to understand their perspective, and how they came to that point of view. By understanding this, I will be able to present things in a way that will (hopefully) help reconcile opposing views and bring readers to a higher, more favorable vision of great personalities like Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja, and others. This subject will be a significant part of the first volume of my book.

Good points. Thank you. All the best with your book. 🙏

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't remove any comments. You can try posting it again.

When YOU become a real Goswami, you will have the spiritual standing to make such statements. Until then, it's best to either keep such criticism to yourself or share it privately with a trusted mentor who can help you process it in a way that will be spiritually elevating for you. You're entitled to your opinion, but you will reap the results of your fault-finding mentality. Be careful! 🙏

@@iskconhistoryarchive Revealing the truth is available to anyone regardless of their so-called standing. Even a child can reveal a truth. I remember this Gentleman very well going back to 1974. He was a wonderful inspiration in the early days and gave some wonderful lectures here at Torontos New Remuna Temple. One night he asked for popcorn. We were all amazed. After the lecture in the prasadam room we all ate fresh popped popcorn covered in butter and salt from a large fresh green garbage bag. Everyone got a big serving. Right now, throughout all of the Hare Krsna movement no one is Teaching. Regardless of their non isKcon or pro iskcon position all they do is present themselves as Vedic authorities. The world is dying, and no one is reaching out to help. Some places there is prasadam distribution and Hari Nam in the streets. For the most part the movement is at a standstill, I met and talked briefly with Srila Prabhupada at the Bury Street temple in London England back in August of 1971. That is when I made my connection with the Pure Devotee. So, why are there no Teachers? Below is the Book of Hope for humanity. It is the first book that must be learned and taught to save humanity. I humbly suggest that you read and study it along with Srila Prabhupada's Gita Study Guide. It has been reproduced word for original word. The BBT still refuses to publish it again. Why? You are as qualitied as anyone to learn and teach what you understand. May Lord Caitanya and Srila Prabhupada bless you. By the way ask H.G.Goswami if he would be interested in becoming a teacher again There is no retirement when serving Srila Prabhupada. prabhupadagita.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/bhagavad-gita-as-it-is.pdf theharekrishnamovement.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/teaching_and_study_guide_to_bhagavad-gita_as_it_is.pdf

In addition Part one. . First Hanuman Rangers Motto Srila Prabhupada is our leader, the holy name is our main weapon and the original Bhagavad Gita As It Is is our war plan. And for the support of Srila Prabhupada, with a firm reliance on Krsna, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honour. "Our point should be that we shall take all necessary steps for self-protection, depending on the results on Krsna. We should not idly sit down simply depending on Krsna. Arjuna had to fight in the battlefield, but at the same time he heard Bhagavat Gita. Our motto shall be like that. Neither shall fight alone, without Krsna consciousness, nor we shall give up all possible facilities or precautions." His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada

In addition Part two Word for word from the original recording. Nothing has been changed. The sacrifice for this Kali Yuga is the Maha mantra. Period! Get'r done. Maha Mantra Explained by Srila Prabhupada This transcendental vibration by chanting of Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare is the sublime method for reviving our Krishna consciousness. As living spiritual soul we are all originally Krishna conscious entities but due to our association with matter from time immemorial our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. In this polluted concept of life we are all trying to exploit the resources of material nature but actually we are becoming more and more entangled in our complexities. This illusion is called Maya or hard struggle for existence for winning over the stringent laws of material nature. This illusory struggle against the material nature can at once be stopped by revival of our Krishna consciousness. Krishna consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind. This consciousness is the original energy of living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration this consciousness is revived. And the process is recommended by authorities for this age. By practical experience also we can perceive that by chanting this maha mantra or the great chanting for deliverance one can at once feel transcendental ecstasy from the spiritual strata. When one is factually on the plane of spiritual understanding surpassing the stages of sense, mind and intelligence one is situated on transcendental plane. This chanting of Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare is directly enacted from the spiritual platform surpassing all lower status of consciousness, namely sensual, mental and intellectual. There is no need of understanding the language of the mantra. Nor there is any need of mental speculation Nor any intellectual adjustment from chanting this maha mantra. It springs automatically from the spiritual platform and as such anyone can take part in this transcendental vibration. Without any previous qualification and dance in ecstasy. We have seen it practically even a child can take part in the chanting and even a dog can take part. The chanting should be heard from the lips of a pure devotee of the Lord so that immediate effect can be achieved. As far as possible chanting from the lips of non-devotee should be avoided as much as milk touched by the lips of a serpent causes poisonous effect. The word Hare is the form of addressing the energy of the Lord. Both Krishna and Rama are formal addressing directly the Lord. And they mean the highest pleasure eternal. Hare is the supreme pleasure potency of the Lord. This potency and address as Hare helps us in reaching the Supreme Lord. The material energy called as Maya is also one of the multi potencies of the Lord as much as we are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities are described as superior energy than matter. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with spiritual potency Hare it becomes the happy normal condition of living entity. The three words namely Hare, Krishna and Rama are transcendental seeds of the maha mantra and the chanting is spiritual form of the Lord and His internal energy Hare of giving protection to the conditioned soul. The chanting is exactly like genuine crying by child for the mother. Mother Hare helps in achieving the grace of the Supreme Father Hare or Krishna and the Lord reveals Himself to that sincere devotee. No other names therefore are spiritual realization is as effective in this age as chanting the maha mantra Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Play this 24/7 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4wQgOLDXeRw.html

@@iskconhistoryarchive how can you say the commenter is not a real Goswami? Is there enough information to make that claim, or is it a guess?

It’s not. Just factually speaking. I’m in mayapur right now and its ecstatic. Kirtan, deity worship, sangha, harinam, etc

learn to spell before making bold propositions

@@jonthoreson6654 The Hare Krishna Movement is over. How's that?

@@CharlesDowson-e2t that is your statement, not mine

...and yes, you proved that you CAN spell

Hay un libro muy bonito e iluminador acerca de la relación entre Srila PRabhupada y Gaudiya Math, se llama lazos eternos. Hermoso libro de Narayan Maharaja