Why These Exist: KINGPIN 1080 Ti PCB Analysis 

I would love a giveaway. :0

He should have added, that gold bars on edge of the card are visible ground plane, to what anything can be connected :) Other than that, awesome video - keep them coming.

Yeah, covered that in our tear-down of the card.

Gamers Nexus yujiro loves gamers nexus

Gamers Nexus Analysis ?? Where is rpm and temp in game 4k ??

This is a great idea.

We've done one or two of them on this channel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3EtiTDmuOb4.html

Gamers Nexus oh yea it was just s spontaneous thought, I was thinking about the "budget" 1080s like the Asus turbo series

It's a nice thought, I'd be interested too. On a side note, the Asus 1080 Turbo isn't a budget card per say. It's actually deliberately made that way for small form factor cases. For example; The design of a Strix 1080 or Strix 1080Ti with the massive 3-slot cooler, is made so it dissipates the heat inside the case, that's why cards like those tend to be used in big cases with top and/or side fans for added air flow to allow the extra heat of the card(s) out of the case faster. The 'Turbo' series from Asus (and any other manufacturer with similar design) is designed to take air from the front of the card (following the logic that the front fans work as intake) and then dissipate it through the rear exhaust of the card without releasing any heat inside the case causing hot spots, hindering the performance of card it self by thermal throttling or other parts like the RAM, HDDs/SSDs etc. These cards tend to shine in small cases were air flow and exhaust fans are very limited, that way the card can run at it's best. These cards though have a draw back, they are somewhat loud because the design of the fan is the weak link.

yea I understand the blower style cooler concept I thought it was more built down to a price than other cars but I stand corrected

Hi TiN! That makes a lot of sense, re: BOM. We're looking forward to studying the card further!

Does the PEX thing also apply to GP104? I have a 1070 that did 2468MHz core with 1.4V on stock PEX. For some reason the card also clocks worse on X99 than on Ryzen.

PEX voltage is powering PCIe transceivers in the GPU and few other things, and is used in GPUs since first PCIe cards :) AMD has similar rail, but i'm not very familiar how they name it. Last red card I've overclocked was X800GTO :D

Nice to see TiN here, keep up the good work ! Sure hope you found a way to keep efficiency per clock magic going like the previous versions

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well there's Dry Ice, phase change, and sub ambient water cooling... but I guess most people consider those the same category as LN2

Sahil Zubair Won’t the components be more reliable? That’s what I’m looking for.

Reliability is barely a concern with any of the 1080Ti boards. Even the founder's edition model is a great board. Realistically you get more reliability out of a 40Mhz underclock than you do out of any amount of hardware changes.

Based on the other teardowns, EVGA has really been overengineering their aftermarket cards. If I understood Buildzoid right, the FTW3 was complete overkill in terms of cooling and VRMs for water or air. Not to mention it's all under warranty even if you overclock and custom cool, so I highly doubt you'll run into problems before you need to upgrade. For the average consumer it seems like you just want to get the cheapest aftermarket card with the highest max power draw, and the company's reputation should tell you if it can stand up to it.

Anthony Lewis I’m talking a board with less coil whine and things like that. Better components, etc.

VRM/VRM would VRM again.

yo dawg, i heard you like VRMs, so we gave VRMs to your VRMs so you can VRM while you VRM

Yo dawg, we heard you like VRMs, so we put VRMs for you VRMs so you can overclock while you overclock

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yep

smokeydops would you elaborate please? :3

that is fucking hilarious. He wasn't kidding when he said overkill.

A GTX 1060 needs IIRC about 120A on Vcore? Something like that. So basically if you took the KP's mem VRM and replaced a 1060's Vcore VRM with it it would work. You could even overclock it.

the vrm used for the memory would be capablee of powering a gtx 1060 core

Dimitris Kepenos It sure would be pretty though. Batman Begins Edition.

More like a base model vs fully loaded sports car.

So a response would be great but is a 9614 a good overclock score on superposition... 1949 core 6200 memory 1080ti duke @70c

16 phases worth of PowIRstages are actually really hard to fit on a GPU PCB. It's why even the 980Ti Kingpin was only 14 phases for Vcore. Also I doubt 16 phases would help a 1080Ti clock any higher. Even on LN2.

I second that.

Not really. You are going to hit other walls even without a power limit. Generally speaking the best you are going to do without exotic cooling is around 2100mhz, and that is almost pure luck.

Dunno man, It's a binned chip and if you don't need hard mod for +1.1 vcore then it's going to perform better than other cards. Maybe it's only 40mhz core and 100mhz mem clock for a 24/7oc, but you've gotta admit there's potential value to non-ln2ers/dicers here.

Stepping down a 12V rail is much easier, safer and more space efficient than powering it from the wall (not to mention that it's modular). And the PCB has a few layers with thicker copper dedicated for power delivery so the actual copper volume should be sufficient

I agree, I was figuring $900 ish myself.

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debatable the 1080 ti hof might be better, it has a 19 phase vrm, and similar cooling.

Brian Khanzadeh nope, the kingpin lineup always destroyed every other custom design yet

not tru the 980 ti hof was way better than the 980 ti kingpin

yeah that was my intial thought but when I asked for confirmation I got told that they won't tell me what it's for.

if this was the model from computex then it may just be a preproduction unit, and wont reflect on the final product

We just review the R5 CPUs vs. the i5 CPUs, we posted a round-up of $50 to $100 cases, we reviewed the RX 560 and RX 570 -- and, if you count it, the RX 580 -- and posted a PC build guide of the G4560. Oh, and reviewed the G4560 vs. i3 CPUs, reviewed an i3 CPU earlier this year, reviewed CPU coolers that were $20 to $50, posted coverage of a ton of $70 cases from Computex not one week ago.

AFAIK EVGA guarantees an OC of at least 2025MHz.

If I get my hands on pictures of the PCB

www.galax.com/downloads/1080TiHOF_G.zip They have high resolution images here. But sadly they're at an angle.

One of those thermal pads is covering a blank spot on the board. All the 1080 Tis we've worked with are doing this now -- the companies still stick a pad on each VRAM location even when it's not used. That could be to prevent someone screwing up in the factory (e.g. skipping the wrong spot) or could be to prevent shorts/contact with metal where you don't want it.

It's test ES card, it had 12GB put on before NV decided to make it 11GB :)

or is this one of your (xDevs) super secret surprises to make us overclockers happy, 12gb Pascal Kingpin ?

Well they have accidentally forgotten the thermal pads in the past, so may have automated their placement so it could never happen again. :p

just get a waterblock for this and then use the LN2 utilities. It's not like the card checks to see if it's bellow 0C before enabling those functions.

I think The kingpin card is really good for watercooling because it is designed to fit in a single slot without chopping of a DVI connector like linus did :)

I realize that is possible (if someone releases a waterblock for it) but you are just left paying for a ton of features that would go unused. If previous cards are anything to go by this is going to be about $300 more that reference. Thats alot of extra to pay just for having power limit and voltage limits removed when i need literally nothing else. My point is simply that a manufacturer could make good money if they made a card targeted towards watercoolers

User Apego I agree, but remember with the 1080ti founder's edition you can do that too. My main request is for basically a card between Founders and Kingpin with power and voltage limits removed. I understand why it has not been done with the limits enforced by Nvidia, but I also wonder how EVGA got away with it here. My only guess could be that Nvidia greenlighted it since this card will be in a whole different price tier than almost all other 1080tis. In an ideal world I would love for all cards to come with the option to fully unlock them if you are willing to give up your warranty. They could do this with a piece of software that takes your serial number and basically turns on a permanent flag in the Bios that can't be over written. Similar to how HTC did with their Android phone bootloader unlock a few years ago.

It is for the EVBOT voltage controller.

You can just frankenstein a bunch of high-bandwidth bridges together to enable >2-card SLI.

Efficiency, alas, doesn't quite work like that. Take power supplied for example, efficiency can technically be much worse below 20% utilisation. Usually isn't, but it can be. And a corvette would be completely wasted at 55. It's designed head to toe to do better, at 80 and above it's juust starting to really hug the ground, and even get better effciency than lower speeds. So really, while it may follow logically that these boards may be super efficient at underclocks, it may very well be the complete opposite as well, and an underclocked kingpin happens to guzzle more juice than an all AMD overkill rig...

Potentially although not much probably. Once you start getting above the 120% power target the cards get really toasty in all of the wrong places. kinda like overclocking cpus. You might get 1mhz more with another .5v, but you are also going to add another 10c to the load temp. With electrical components heat is your worst enemy. The hotter something is the less efficient it can be. This is why LN2 is used. It isn't about keeping the card below TJMax, but keeping it super cold for efficiency sake.

Just search RU-vid for Exreme overclocking or Overclocking with LN2. There are different records for example, Just hitting the highest OC, hitting the highest OC while running X program etc. You can check out a site called HWBot.org and you can see all the various records and their OC values

I checked. Just couldnt find any card that on Ln2 for playing some triple A games :(

Yea, there is basically no card that is practical to use with LN2 to play games. It is simply for setting records and pushing things to the extreme. If you watch them using LN2 they are constantly having to monitor temps, voltages and many other things along with having to add more LN2 as the temps rise. So yea it wont be used during gaming.

I know i know. Im just curious, what kind of improvment(in terms of fps, i guess) on games running from those Ln2 card? Could make gap 50fps perhaps?

Only if you could get the GPU and CPU to insane levels at the same time, but then most likely you would run into other bottlenecks like memory or engine issues. Some games even have a hard 200fps limit. A good anecdote to this is you could have a 10k horsepower car, but you won't be able to keep the tires on the ground.

From another comment: One of those thermal pads is covering a blank spot on the board. All the 1080 Tis we've worked with are doing this now -- the companies still stick a pad on each VRAM location even when it's not used. That could be to prevent someone screwing up in the factory (e.g. skipping the wrong spot) or could be to prevent shorts/contact with metal where you don't want it.

I've seen a few of them with 11 filled and 1 blank. The ones where they used the same PCB as the Titan XP.

Gamers Nexus I have a strix 1080ti and as it is watercooled I did remove the cooler and saw that the empty place was covered also but on this picture it seemed that there was something under the pad, that's why I was asking...

Basically...no. Just about every Pascal card from nvidia overclocks to the same number. The difference is in cooling, seriously. Check out any decent review from any youtuber, they all hit the same overclock numbers, the difference is in the temps and noise, and RGB if that's your thing.

Yeah, that's what I figured but then what's the purpose of the kingpin except for LN2 overclocking? LN2 is expensive and not really use for long gaming sessions.

for the future when modders unlock the limitations built in to the cards with custom bios, these cards would really shine For flatliners, just get the cheapest card with a decent cooler

Apparently, the Kingpin 1080ti is guaranteed to achieve a minimum of a 2050MHz base clock. So if you are going to buy it and just use the cooler that it ships with, then you know that you get at least that speed, on my FTW3 the 2037MHz is max it can do.

Okay cool thanks for the answers guys.

the Poseidon is the same PCB as the STRIX

Actually Hardcore Overclocking Better chips could be picked for them tho.