Why This 1 Minute Time Save Won’t Be Used in SM64 Speedruns 

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Snark, the Tier 0 SM64 TASer

This was also used in this NOT japanese speedrun: 1:23:47 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xiU9Ko5RdhQ.html

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I encourage all English speaking gamers to learn the basics of Japanese. Hiragana and Katakana. Or at least the five vowel sounds! It has helped me immensely in everyday life and especially the gaming world! And they only took me an hour each to memorize using the $7 to 8 dollar app. Dr. Moku! Which was only $2 in 2012 when I got it and had less features. You can learn it however you want. Memorizing it is easy. But that app makes it ridiculously fast! I ended up learning a lot of the language through other sources but the basics of reading can be learned surprisingly fast! The basics are all you'll need as a gamer though since even Katakana alone is used prominently in almost every game and most titles and menu selections and names of items, locations and characters are almost always written in it. What makes it so easy is that the Katakana characters used almost ALWAYS simply spell out English words! And if they aren't they are still spelled out in the way that you say them since they are spelled out in characters for syllables! This has been invaluable to me and like I said. I HIGHLY encourage all serious gamers, streamers, and speedrunners alike to maybe step out of their comfort zones and give learning Kana a genuine chance! You may be surprised at just how much it helps! A big bonus to it, is that because it writes out everything in syllables and not letters, you will instantly and forever and always know precisely how to say the names of all the Japanese Video Game Characters you may have never known how for sure how to say before! Like Samus Aran which nearly everyone in the west says wrong. And other popular names that most people here in the west get wrong as well.. Like Planet Zebes, Deku, Saria, Mido, Pokémon, Ivalice, Yuffie, Aeris, Zidane, Tidus, Sekiro, Sakurai, ect. and learning interesting things like the Rockman characters Protoman and Treble and Bass are actually supposed to be called Blues, Forte and Gospel! I know the internet by now and most people will tend to have a negative comment toward me trying to encouraging people to learn Kana. But I will just ignore it because I really do believe that as gamers and especially streamers and speedrunners should hold up a standard of accuracy for ourselves and the rest of the gaming world that follows them! I always like to say "How would you feel if everyone said YOUR name wrong? Even after telling them how to say it?". In English we can in small ways, change how we pronounce words and m names of things a little differently and we understand its the same thing. But in Japanese and names created originally in Japanese There is always only ONE singular way to say each syllable. Since all instances of what would be translated as the letter A is ALWAYS "Aahh" like "Bah" "Humbug" or the "o" in "BOX" it means that names like Samus. You'll see that it actually is impossible for the name Samus Aran it to be Sam us Uh Ran. It's was originally written to be only possible for it to be correctly spoken as like SAHH MUS AHHRaHhN *サムス**アラン**. The usual backlash I get is that people dont care enough about these things to change how theyve said something their entire life. And to that I say. Are you really happy with being like that? Or would you rather be proud of yourself for going the extra mile to be respectful and learn to say someone's name the right way? Just as you would wish that others do for your name! If we all took the time to learn basic Kana or at the very least, how to say each vowel because u like English having like six different ways for each vowel, Japanese has ONLY ONE! And if we all knew these five vowel sounds, as gamers we could communicate, understand, and write about, many things from Japan more accurately! And like the original comment here, possibly sooner be able to find information on missing parts of speedrunning history! Thanks for reading!

That's because it's technically true..

Ricardo C wait no they don’t wrap around, there’s an “infinite” copy of the map every few thousand units or something.

ManyProphets OneMessage parallel universes are very important for SM64 TAS’ing

Ricardo C that’s why i had infinite in “”, but forgive me if i’m incorrect, i thought there were copies of the world everywhere, and these worlds only had collision, which is why the camera gets messed up, it can only stay on the current map, and why moving the camera to mario’s location using a hack only shows mario in an empty land

@@Rahul-yl3ol the "copies" of the world are a direct result of the truncation of coordinates that someone else mentioned

Thank you for the explanation! I love learning more about this sort of stuff.

Out of curriosity, how long has it been since PUs have been known to have maps below and presumably above the actual map?

@@SgvSth As long as PUs have been understood as the result of float to short conversion

Timestoppa, have you added that google doc as an entire Ukikipedia article? lol

@@jongyon7192p The way it's formatted isn't a good fit for an encyclopedia IMO. Maybe if there was a Ukikibooks (analogous to Wikibooks) it'd fit well there

Let me fix that

The memes are so strong, they don't even need to be mentioned. We all thought of them when we heard pannenkoek.

Panenkoek was such a weird guy, was literally about to have his channel explode but stopped because of pure autism

What the hell are you talking about He clearly explained that, not only he didnt liked doing these type of videos, but they were not worth it (taking way too much time for what he got for them)

@@PowerZordan lol ok

/And 70 xA presses!

0.5x carpet rides.

But first, we need to talk about parallel universes

@@TimThomason A carpet ride is a carpet ride, you can't say it's only a half.

I love all the memes

That would be so painful to see

Hey, it can happen. People practice these hard things and forget to practice the "easy" things and can choke on those points instead.

they get this trick, they are 1 minute ahead of wr pace. They choke 4 bowser throws

@@CollidingPlanet OW

reverse choke is the name

PU but this isn't competitive pokémon

could someone give me a quick ELI5 on Parallel Universes?

@@zoned The level you play in is the real level, if Mario moves REALLY fast he can move outside of the level into an identical copy of the level but has no visual elements rendered, if the camera is not locked before traveling there the game crashes. That invisible level is called a Parallel Universe and by using them you can warp all around a level and do fancy things.

zoned i’ll do my best, basically all maps have an edge beyond going out of bounds. This edge is very far away from the actual playable map and it exists as a square in an (x, y) grid containing the playable map inside. Beyond this “edge” there is another square containing a copy of the playable map with no walls, textures, enemies, or items, just floor. This is whats called a parallel universe and there are infinite amounts of them extending to all directions. The only way to reach them is with a lot of speed that can only be built up in specific situations using strange mechanics like BLJs.

@@zoned as I understand it because reasons the floor collision loops after you go really far if you move fast enough you cat go to a point where it loops, that's a pu

Piggy-backing your top comment to add: If anyone is at all curious about SM64 mechanics or TASing, look up "Walls, Floors, and Ceilings", a 3-part (for now) series by Pannen on the way level geometry in SM64 works. It'll be 2 hours of pure SM64 knowledge that will help you understand a lot of the crazier interactions in TASes and speedruns. What's even crazier is that there is still unexplored territory! TASers still don't completely understand how glitchy wall kicks work, for example.

You're welcome I did a bunch of that :P

@@GammaFn. Yes, exactly; we still have a long way to go and a lot of hard work to be done. Though, I am pretty much of the belief that it will get to the point where we have completely torn apart the game's exact code to the point of being able to reconstruct the source (or a vast majority of it) simply from observation.

​@@GammaFn. I'd argue that that changed recently and we know how glitchy wall kicks (GWKs) work. But... atm, it's only Bad Boot and a few others who really know how GWKs work, and the rest of us just gave up trying to understand it, or understand a very cursory version of it. Basically, there is quarter frame GWKs (QFGWK) and bonk GWKs. qfgwks are where one of mario's quarter steps is inside one wall and another quarter step is in another wall. I forgot completely which wall mario reflects angle off of, but it might be a factor of the wall index instead of which order mario hit these walls at. The qfgwk doesn't ALWAYS need to be a 1st frame wall kick iirc, but I'm not sure how it works if it happens through multiple frames. Doesn't matter, for speed TASes, you always want to firstie your wallkicks to conserve speed. Bonk GWKs are almost never used, except in the Top of the Tower TAS WR. You cannot firstie a bonk GWK. You do it by bonking off a wall or ceiling, hitting another wall, before wallkicking. That's literally all I know about this. I tried to figure it out and Mario's angle seems to change 4 times every frame? Yeah, I didn't have a good time with that until Bad Boot came along and figured it all out for us. I think Plush also understand GWKs now? For the sake of TASing: (1) Try to wallkick off of a wall corner. (2) Spam rerecords until Mario gets it.

@@jongyon7192pAh, thanks! I searched from:bad_boot qfgwk in the Discord and found the relevant convo.

i do not really think this would kill it.

@@olgierdvoneverec4135 Yeah it would. If someone actually did this, considering it saves a minute of time, the WR would be impossible to get close to. Records are broken by like half seconds. An entire minute to shave off a run would be insane. Basically impossible. Like the speed running community died for a while when the goldeneye 'look at the ground' exploit was noticed. It would definitely kill the community for a while.

@@James.Stark.Ben.Edition the problem with the look at the ground was that "it made the game boring to play and watch" in this case, yes it would be huge but if someone got a reliable way to do it during a run it would just mean the strategy is viable and people would start incorporating it, basically the game would evolve. Now maybe the pu thing could kill it, but this would just get everyone back to practicing the new set up, i think this is more like the bomb clip or cannonless, seems imposible and unfair now but in reality will only get rid of one boring slow part of the run.

@@olgierdvoneverec4135 Yeah, but like the video said, these inputs are really really hard to be done by a human. A TAS was needed to do this in the first place. Sure, a better technique, doable by humans, was found but it's still ridiculously hard to do. It would be insanely frustrating to do the set up every time just for a possible shot at the WR, even with save states. And even then the chances of getting it are very low because there are so many places you can fuck up the tricks. While, yeah, maybe it would get a lot of people practicing, the set up is too insane for it to really catch on and I think it would discourage a lot of runners from trying to get WR or anywhere close to it.

@@James.Stark.Ben.Edition the good thing is with techniques this hard they rarely apear on WR runs. I'm currently re watching Summoning Salt's videos on the History of 120 sm64 and i can recomend them to you if you are really worried, because i see it as an inevitabilty at this point, specially with that prize money there, and the fact that carpetless has been a dream for many, many are going to try it, someone might even do it, and yeah the comunity might dwindle for a while, but i can tell you, the top runners aren't discouraged that easy, the comunity will find a way, and probably break the record again the next day. btw sorry about the glaring spelling errors, its late in here, I'm going to bed now.

the 10 minutes only matters if he adds a mid roll ad, and as far as I've seen, he usually doesn't.

There's an ad at the end

This video was recommended to me in the Google news feed and funny enough, this comment was the description for the news post haha

@@Rukir which is only for youtube's profit.

Nice rukako pfp

hehehe

well actually it happened in the other way round

@@NovaTheDark That's true. It was supposed to teach, but it reached meme status, but it was really useful. The thing is that the only reason why people know about it so much is because of the meme status it had. That's why from meme to "mario for dummies."

@@MrFreakHeavy I had watched the video before (I'm not even into speedrunning, what the hell) and loved it, found it amazing, had to watch a few times and also read up on it to fully understand PUs. Just today, by reading these comments, I knew that it had meme status.

"fortnite will never be fun"

6 years of the strat being done, thousands, if not millions of attempts being done by runners all across the globe, and it took one of the greatest IL runners of all time 2 weeks of non stop grinding thousands of attempts to do it exactly ONCE! This will never be done in runs, people who disagree just dont understand how hard it is.

Ben Hanson the SMB 4-2 clip was found and used in TAS in 2004. Numerous strategies were attempted to do the "fast 4-2" but none included this trick because it was deemed not humanly possible. In 2017, a new way to do it was found and it is now used in every top run. That's 13 years, more than twice the length of this trick in this video that you've already declared to be impossible. It will be included in runs eventually. Maybe it'll take another 6 years like 4-2 did, but it will be included.

"Super mario odyssey will never be sub hour"

@@phantom7844 but fast 4-2 is a trick which experts can perform occasionally if they try. xiah is one of the *best* sm64 IL runners of all time. he did it a single time. even panga levels have been beaten by double digit numbers of people. this trick being performed in a speedrun would be like completing two panga levels consecutively at the end of the 120 star run. i don't think it's impossible that a better setup is found, but i definitely dont think it's inevitable either. for every trick that people found a way to make consistent, there are just as many that dont

developers: this game contains 10 hours of content speedrunners: 3. take it or leave it

@@Reshi9984 also speedrunners: sub 2:30. take it or leave it.

@@turnstxne Honestly, I feel like it's something runners are gonna start trying in the future. In speedruns? No. Just to learn it? Probably. Like cheese said he wants to learn it for example

i agree, tj "henry" yoshi

If that is your real name

An A press is an A press

@@BegitoBrah Every fucking time

Hello Tj / Henry Yoshi! even if are still popular because of that meme, I still appreciate you so much! I don't know how that feel to be a sort of a meme, but I think that thanks to you, you make them happy when they see you, and I always saw you being so calm about that, that is why I like you so much! You are the best Tj / Henry Yoshi 👍

@SnortBlortThank you!

Totally agree. I was never much into speedrunning before I saw EZScape and rwhitegoose videos

Lol

whats that can you show me

@@shady8045 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aNzTUdOHm9A.html

Bismuth and Pannenkoek's explanation on how held objects work

That’s not how it goes. It goes, “but to answer that, we need to talk about parallel universes.”

But first we need to talk about Everyone Correcting eachother

Wow, you predicted it

*TJ """"Henry""""" Yoshi

Is really depressing and naive.

He's in the comment

Why is everybody in the comments being such a dick about this.

nice avi

Pp is back? Whaaa

@@dialena4418 yeah man you didnt hear the good news?

@@Youngandrich-qq7rd I cannot believe i missed out on it lol i should check whats up

Hi ttp Hey everybody watch this guy too

it would lose time in rta as every main sm64 stage has 100 coins star

It's gatekeeping all the way

Dirty Dard this is not gatekeeping in any way, shape, or form.

@@Spenfen Explain how it isn't

Dirty Dard gatekeeping is where you say that people aren’t *allowed* do something for one reason or another. You’re not *allowed* to like this band, you haven’t known them for long enough. You’re not *allowed* to be a real gamer, you’re a girl/trans/gay(yes, it happens). You’re not *allowed* to go see live action Lion King, you didn’t grow up with the original. EZScape is making an assertion that no one will ever use this trick in speedrunning, not because he says so, but because it’s far too difficult for a human to do. He even challenges the community to prove him wrong, had you bothered to read the description.

@@Spenfen He told everyone not to ask streamers about it. Not to bug any of them about trying it. Not to act like it's possible. He decided that it wasn't allowed to believe it's possible to do the trick. It doesn't matter to him if some nobody tries the trick on their own, but he won't stand for some nobody asking him or any other streamer about it

except that it isn't rta viable

What's RTA?

Chatting

so true

Because tomorrow is Sunday anyway, so, we have this time to spare :)

I´ll predic your future: Watching recomended 2013 YT videos on thursday at 3:00 am before an important examn

Weak

@@CaioXG002 true

It's 3:31 for me lol

I’ll take that bet, don’t scam me.

​@@DempseyDaPronow, you will feel stupid 😁

@@ayushmansingh3700 This strat still hasn’t been done lol there’s a new strat/setup for it tho which is Pog

@@DempseyDaPro yeah it's very consistent but still hard.

No they're not dumb enough to actually go for this trick outside of a meme

I can see them meming it if they get 40 seconds behind by dying in RR

@@manguy01 wouldn't it be hilarious if someone is down by half a minute, pulls this off through shear luck, and gets the wr? I mean it's incredibly unlikely but would be quite the story.

@@keiyakins honestly that happens with different games all the time so I wouldn't be surprised

@@1ted59 Being down by about a minute could be reason enough to go for it. That would also require them learning the strat in the first place though

Oh no...

Anonymous Trash It’s a meme

Doubtful, few people have pulled off the trick, and only w person has done it without save states, once, the 120 star wr holder, has only done it 3 times with savestates

Except he didn't