Why This Battery Breakthrough Could Make EVs Cheaper 

the more news stories like this we get, the sooner I bet

Lithium batteries have changes a lot also.... density, quality and manufacturing so while it is not a new type of battery improvements are all over...

Yeah let know when a major manufacturer is putting them in a product. I think we see more of these stories because there is alot of doubt about the sustainability of electric vehicles. The only way is if we develop a new battery technology with significantly more energy density. It makes me laugh how this experimental companies claim their battery production is more efficient, uses less energy... Et cetera et cetera, however you still are building prototypes... Lol

never, because the fundamental science and mechanics are the same as 100 years ago....the very first cars were infact electric...the fact of the matter is the internal combustion engine is fundamentally more reliable and efficient at automotive applications...we need something fundamentally new to replace it.....like in aviation....the jet engine is a new development over the propeller and is fundamentally better..

When Toyota stops dragging their feet

that dude is probably taking average of all lithium ion chemistries. you are right most lithium ion cells that automakers use today are way below that figure. Lithium iron phosphate have been below $100/kWh for over a year now ( source: BloombergNEF)

Nice insight!

With lithium-metal you can remove the entire anode production part of the process.

@@rojavabashur6455 With Graphite/Si anode you’re at no less than 500mAh/g and that gram cost is really not an issue. And with solid electrolyte you do not need excess Li or prelithiation. Metallic Lithium is a total hazard always as it really hates to be alone.

BYD is now producing these for $95 per KWH................Paul

Replace car traffic in cities with walking, biking and public transit. Wow, just saved you 10 years and billions of dollars on R&D. The future isnt some new experimental battery tech thats going to "revolutionize" our lives.

Lol

​@@adamt195 Well, gotta keep those Investors™ happy somehow

Still a much better idea then building "Loops" in pipes or in tunnels. It makes sense if you look at drones for the last decade, just come up with a standard for automatic air traffic control. We got E-scooters littering our sidewalks, its not a far reach to think this might be the norm. Technology is there. BUT...what I DO forsee will put a wrench on this is not safety...its NOISE.

well you got to say Lithium batteries are reaching a saturation point... they are reaching the peak of the technology.... this is why they are looking for new solutions because current batteries are just not gonna cut it in a few decades.

@@erikpienk correct the li ion battery is limited by the lithium...so it cant be made much better...

Not true, the graphite in the anode can only hold as many ions. Lithium-Metal is the future how ever you look at it.

The current concentration on Lithium Ion research is COST REDUCTION now, not density. Doing it with LESS lithium, mainly.

@@redwolfexr With lithium-metal you can do it with no anode.

And it wont be the last.

Unicorn companies

I particularly appreciated the touch of calling Northvolt an "EV battery giant" despite their being a pre-production startup in order to try to give this other pre-production battery startup credibility. LoL

I don't believe unless I see it in production. 🤷

I've been watching videos like this since 2008

Apple doesn't manufacture s**t genius

@@Danirio96 Northvolt is trying to be a battery cell manufacturer, that is why they are building two battery cell factories right now. That is their only line of business, it is what they were founded to do. People like you who know absolutely nothing should not be insulting others. Northvolt has a lot of money invested into it, but they are a pre-production startup with no revenue to date. Not an EV battery giant.

@@tribalypredisposed You are correct. Northvolt has no experience of manufacturing nor product's quality assurance in mass production. Even German experts heavily criticised this move and "general media" does not talk about the details of costs and duration it takes to build a manufacturing facility, let alone costs for R&D, human resources or supply chain (raw material and completed products). German federal government is one of the major shareholders of VW so they have to make politically biased move (to save jobs and reduce trade deficit or outside dependency) thou experts predict that electrification of vehicle and manufacturing automation will cut many jobs regardless. The German manufacturers' move on collaboration with Northvolt is to reduce their battery dependency on Asian manufacturers which is over 70% (as of EU). However, Northvolt facility is located north even in Swedish geography standards which creates expensive shipping costs and longer supply time despite their argument that "Swedish hydropower generation" will increase costs competitiveness (Germany has the most expensive industrial/household electricity in the world). Korean manufacturers have already built, and have been supplying and expanding their manufacturing capacity in Hungary, Poland, and possibly new one in Spain (Catalunya). By the time Northvolt stabilised (if they succeed, as big IF) and started their battery production and supply lines, power sources of mobilities would already transitioned to fuel cells based electrification

What do with battery when they fail

@@matthewesler8379 Not a relevant question for this thread, but you recycle it for materials. Material costs are around 60% of cost of Li-batteries qnovo.com/82-the-cost-components-of-a-battery/

Couldn't agree more.

Well it is 🤷‍♂️

They also said several incorrect things, like that lithium ion is the only chemistry used. Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) is also used.

Halfway the video I checked the channel to see if it was Northvolt.

@@iKingRPG it’s beacuse LFP is also li-ion. As are LCO, LMO, NMC, NCA and LTO. And then there is horde of electrolyte mixes to choose from and not to mention additives to electrodes and solid electrolytes. There really are millions of ways to make a li-ion cell. To know even 10% of all this requires a lifetime career in the li-ion business. 😅

Unless you want to fly... it also does not work well for motorcycles. (scale/weight/power/cost) As they said, we will have multiple techs. Lithium Ion is going to be the automobile standard for a long time. Lithium Metal (of any flavor) is going to be where the density/weight demands it.

True, but it's only a temporary benefit. Once they have learned mass production, one must compete on what the batteries can offer.

it is here just not good enough...

@@alphaxfang You are not thinking creatively. When one product, such as li ion, has enormous potential in multiple respects, but also has weak points, you find ways to work around the weak points. With li ion, they started by making expensive, high performance cars that offered qualities you could not find with ICE cars--- 100% torque at 0 RPM, small carbon footprint, and near-silent operation, for instance. EV cars were extremely popular from the start despite the fact that many sketics assumed that disadvantages would sink any potential market. Many people see li ion as being unable to compete in the aircraft space, for instance, but they are ignoring the battery's significant advantages and only looking at drawbacks, without finding creative ways of working around weak points. EV aircraft are already being made and sold to fill a variety of markets. Playing on their extreme low cost of operation and maintenance, the higher reliability, near silence, and zero emissions, they are highly popular with flight schools, for instance. Flight trainers typically take off and land from the same location, practicing touch-and-gos, etc., never traveling very far. That is a strong advantage over ICE plane trainers. Creative aircraft designs can take advantage of other EV plus points. iC engines are less efficient in small scale; the smaller the engine, the more inefficient. EV aircraft do not have that problem--- small motors are just as efficient as larger ones, so you see a wide variety of aircraft now with multiple motors that can operate in ways that ICE powered 'aircraft powered by ICEs could not--- four, six, eight, or more rotors mated with fly-by-wire computer controls, offer the safety of high redundancy, silent operation, and emission-free operation that works well even in urban or suburban environments. They are already being used in air rescue, air ambulance, crime suppression, etc. EV aircraft currently have shorter range, but again, their advantages can work around such disadvantages if one wants to expand into interstate travel. EVs can operate far cheaper, and safer, in interstate markets by hopping between airports just a few hundred miles apart. The lower cost, near-silence, and other advantages can attract passengers that value those factors. As battery energy density improves, EV aircraft can absorb more and more of the interstate market. Thinking creatively overcomes a variety of issues.

@@billdale1 now do you see the current lithium battery good enough to replace airplane jet engine? From what i see it still not good enough, we still see the competition from various battery tech and the winner haven't been clear cut... Once the battery has been good enough to replace jet engine i think they will use it... Maybe in the next 10-20 years they will change but not in next 5 years...

@-w -a I'm sorry but, you must know that what you saying is mostly nonsense. You can't possibly know what will happen "overtime". Further, conflating wind turbine blades with serious chemical waste is also nonsensical. I don't mean to be offensive but, if your going to opine on a technical subject then please stay focused and bring something of value to the discussion. Not rhetoric.

@@денисбаженов-щ1б Sorry but that number is not accurate. Whole industries are spinning up to try and turn a profit from the significant waste being created. Including one of the founders of Tesla.

@-w -a Hey... is there a rest stop on the way to the end of this story?

Not to mention the Vibranium used in their construction.

@@grahamstevenson1740 , With a dividing layer of Adamantium to prevent punctures...

Another Dreamer...............Paul

Bolivia. They’re already trying to manage this.

Argentina, Bolivia and Chile. It's still yet to be seen how fast we can (or rather can't) deplete lithium before the need to switch to better non-lithium alternatives, if at all possible. I want to visit Salar-de-uyuni before it gets destroyed by us. It is one of the most majestic places on Earth. A place where the heavens meet the Earth.

There's 3 of them in South America. Never an especially stable region !

@@grahamstevenson1740 read my comment above

@@SahilP2648 Australia is also in the top lithium producing countries

When you lack research funds they can only discover so much at a time. Imagine having enough money to back the funding of scientists researching new tech. Any mistakes made or dead ends are just part of the process.

Same with cancer research !! They been making breakthroughs since the early 1980's since I remember

The only true thing about battery breakthrough is the lypo battery

That would go against the propaganda, comrade!

Theres going to be a shortage? How will we manage our mood swings or disorders? Bipolar people needs their dosage.

Thought their patents are open? 🤔

Volkswagon are partners with Northvolt, and have a deal to acquire 14 billion dollars in batteries. BMW has a 2 billion dollar battery supply deal with Northvolt. Volkswagon Group is the biggest auto maker on the planet, and if and when they decide they want to eat Tesla's lunch, you may as well hand them a napkin.

@@nissetuta Current trends.

Lithium ion hasn't really changed much recently. It won't change in the future much either. The changes has mostly been stuff like bigger cells or different-shaped cells, or faster charging tolerance.

@@MsHojat What do you expect to happen, scientists to create a genetically modified lithium? It's all about the complete package what what they can do with it. Different elements are being added to it, cells are becoming more energy dense, cells are created with less heat transfer, capability for larger cells, etc etc. You kind of answered your own question. Just 13 years ago I had an electric bike that could go 15 miles on a charge. Now a pack of the same size can go 60 miles. Lithium ion is progressing at every level.

Well that and youd have to drive a tesla for 22 years before it was better for the environment and it's battery doesn't last even 10, like most things in this technology sector they are highly subsidized scams that aren't doing what they say they do particularly when it comes to global warming which is another scam centered around extracting wealth from the serfs. Electric cars are doing more damage to the planet than fixing and you can apply that reality to every subsidized green energy technology. Human stupidity at it's finest

re: "People are so worried about how fast you can do stuff" because: GREED. having gone unresolved and unchecked, it has now worked it's way into every aspect of our lives. thus since it's become "normal" we don't look at it (our ourselves) critically, but yet the problem is STARING US IN THE FACE every time we look in the mirror.

@@kittybrowneye3163 So ICE cars are cleaner than electrics? (Seems that is what you're saying)

@@raybin6873 when you factor in environmental damage during manufacturing and you take an average of the US power grid pollution by electricity generated and compare that to the life of the vehicles (really the battery) that's exactly what I'm saying. Why do you think all the lithium and rare earth mineral mines are in China? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with the fact there isn't any lithium or rare earth minerals in North America. Like I said the whole global warming thing is a farce and being sold to people in an extremely distorted fashion to create profits and a lynch pin moral argument to sell to the lemmings. The planet is actually in the middle of an atmospheric carbon low it hasn't seen in 7million years and that's causing strange things like desert expansion all over the world, It's actually quite fascinating when you really start taking a look at it alot of political bs to wade through though

@@kittybrowneye3163 I don't trust your information - you appear very politically motivated - more than scientifically. There seems to be data that contradicts what you're saying (I'm not interested in starting arguments)...just like having facts /data presented minus the politics. We all are entitled to our own opinions. I do want to mention that petroleum resources are finite...we better develope alternatives. We can't ride the petro pony forever...I'm curious what it'll be.👍

There are several promising techs now. What need to be done is to get them from labs to big scale production while keeping cost down to

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That’s true

Battery innovation has improved significantly but there hasn’t been a push until now.

Yes, no one has ever come out with any new EV battery technology at all.

Its like with the fossil fuel industry. If their idea is any threat to the industry the older monopoly kills it. People think science and technology drive companies, its only ever greed.

My Toy is My EV............Paul.............Older Child

It's a matter of scale, mining the resources for batteries that will last 10/20 years and can probably mostly be reused with most energy coming from renewables with lower carbon footprint vs constant oil that's highly polluting.

Haha

Competition forces cost breakthroughs to have an effect in pricing also.

the first car back in the day was also electric.....Well we're repeating history indeed...

@@zion3335 only took a hundred years

Who is Tesla?

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Toyota is far behind because they keep spending R&D on Hydrogen.

This guy gets it

I'm sorry... I guess I don't get it. Can you elaborate?

@@sonnydixonvideo haven't you heard yet of Giga Berlin from your beloved over lord Elon Musk? He and his buddies will coup who ever they want🤷‍♂️

Search Cuberg on youtube and you can see them using it in a drone.

But the CGI looks so real ...

Quick swap standards are too late at this point. And you don't need rows and rows of charging in dense areas like NYC. NYC already has plenty of parking decks. Just put chargers at each parking spot. For the most part, cars are becoming obsolete in city centers. Walking, biking and public transport is focus now. Even for delivery vehicles, e-cargo bikes are taking over in europe, and starting to be used in NYC.

@@adamt195 The maximum range of 300 miles, especially in range draining cold climates renders viability of EV products in rural areas questionable. Even in high rise apartment communities where each parking place is charging hookups is provided, there is the issue of power grid overload that must be considered. Quick power pack exchange stations, which could replace today’s filling stations, serviced by regional recharging centers located adjacent to power generation or renewable harvesting plants would eliminate neighborhood distribution grids and power loss inherent in long distant power plants. Possible breakthrough aluminum power packs with some 2300 mile range, but not rechargeable, but recyclable would be perfect for quick exchange.

@@lcarliner That still treats EVs like gas cars, that need to go to a swap station, just like a gas station. Rather than charging at home everyday for just a few hours. 99.9% of the time, people are not charging all 300 miles of range. Over 50% of trips are 3 miles or less. Even just 10 miles of range would cover roughly 2/3 of all trips.

@@adamt195 The ability to be able to take a 900 mile trip from the Maryland suburban DC area to north of Tampa, Florida, in a 15 hour drive with just one or two fueling stops would be a thing of the past without the quick exchange option! A few hours to overnight layover for a full charge would not go! For short distance neighborhood commutes or errands, the EV individual charging hookups would work, but not for those with long distance commutes from rural areas! There is a startup company in California, named Ample, that devised a system for quick exchange power packs.

@@lcarliner Yeah we have these things called DC Fast charging stations. DC to Tampa really could be done by train though. If we had better investment in high speed rail it would be doable in under 10 hours. DC to Atlanta would be 4 hours.