Why TLOU Part II is my Favorite Stealth Game of the 2020's 

Absolutely, The amount of people I seen say TLoU2 gameplay is bad and that it “plays itself” it’s mine blowing

I feel like the gameplay alone is why it deserved all of them awards

Although you could argue it clashes against the game's themes, I've been enjoying the Roguelite mode for that very reason. Combat is tense, but runs don't go on for more than an hour or so.

Welcome to the "gaming community" where story, visuals, and dialogue discussion regin over anything gameplay related. Truth be told, most people who talk about games don't like talking about gameplay.

@@bogjesrbin484 I’m sorry but this was NEVER true to ANY game. Since forever people ALWAYS said that “gameplay is more important then story” in all my years they was ALWAYS the sentiment . But for the first time ever with TLoU2 people are suddenly saying “story as as important” give me a break with this had fair criticism

lol true

No other game made my heart race like this one

@@Michael-mz1bg boutta play LOu2 after finishing part 1, which is my favorite game of all time. REsident evil 2 is my seocond favorte

You should cover it on your channel

If only story wasn’t dog shit

True dat

in every category*

I'd personally say the game is overly long which makes gameplay feel kinda repetitive by the time you actually finish, the first game didn't feel like it had a wasted moment because it was more linear, simplistic, and short in a good way as to not overstay it's welcome. Horse riding despite being well done in the feel of it feels like a bit of a waste of time when the maps you do it on are so empty or linear hallways disguised as nature where you ride slowly and talk to your companion in what could've been a short cutscene or chase someone in what could've been a short cutscene. Despite being a bigger game Last of Us 2 seems to have more stuff that feels like a waste of time like the playable guitar I'm sure some poor developer spent weeks of crunch time working on and bigger emptier maps that are bigger when walking on foot but once you add a horse to ride around on feel small. The maps in the first may have been small but at least they just lead from point A to point B to get you to the next cutscene or the fun combat (which granted is definitely better in the second). The boring puzzles that end up feeling even worse than the ones in Last of Us 1 cause at least with those you were getting Ellie somewhere she couldn't reach but now you're plugging in some power cords to open a gate or use as a rope swing. Ultimately it feels like the game could've and should've been cut in half to make two games with how long it is especially since story wise Abby ends up being a rather underdeveloped character with an underdeveloped story of how life was with her father and the Fireflies and underdeveloped story of how she's basically the adoptive mother of a small boy now (which legit those two plots separately could've been two games as long as the last of us 1 on their own) and somehow a rushed ending which is some kinda paradox since everything else takes so long but you fly through the ending. Now I've saved the most important aspect that was way worse for last.. the working conditions the devs should not have needed to crunch so hard for such a flawed game or just in general for any project, manage your shit better and don't let scope creep make it where your workers gotta go overtime.

I think the word he used is favorite. Very different word, if you didn't know.

Bro I know you're joking but that game closes the studio 😭

@DarthTingleBinks /whoosh

@@chrisj320ac3 How can I do a whoosh if I had insufficient knowledge to do a whoosh. I don't even know what Gollum is. I was just correcting the language.

@@DarthTingleBinks That's why you don't comment and reply to people when you have insufficient knowledge

I always said that because everyone was so focused on the story of the 2 tlou games, they didn't notice they were playing manhunt. Even more than that, Factions is a manhunt multiplayer. Best multiplayer ever! Forever sad that we didn't get another one

The Last Of Us is also the closest to a Condemned Criminal Origins sequel that we'll ever get.

Oooh, I’ve never even looked at this game with that context. Very interesting idea. Personally to me it feels like Snake Eater 2, but yeah I can definitely get behind that too.

Ellie even basically wears the same outfit as Cash in manhunt 1

@@ethanhernandez9889 ahhh no way, I never even clocked the similarity!

When they say “it bought nothing to the table as a sequel” I really wonder what imaginary video game sequels they have in their head when they say that For a sequel is dramatically improved in the base foundation of the first game. It’s like every time TLoU2 is brought up I am transported on a parallel reality with standards are completely backwards

The good criticism is that although the gameplay is very good, Naughty Dog has relied on the same formula in their games for like more than a decade now, so it's far from innovative. But hey, if it works it works I guess. Those who say the game is not good from a technical point of view are just wrong, it's undeniably good, and this is coming from someone who didn't enjoy the game at all due to the bad writing and dialogues.

Come on man we've been playing games for years now. You should know by now all games are the same just with a new coat of paint. Rarely do we get those innovative games.

Well both sections are different so it just comes down to preference.

Ellie's gameplay feels more stealth heavy because of her load out to me. Encounters with her feel very cat and mouse. Dipping in and out of stealth and doing hit and runs,at least that's how I played it. Abby's gameplay to me felt similar, but noticeably more aggressive, as her load out is louder on average and she has a bunch of upgrades for close quarters combat. It still feels like cat and mouse, but the mouse in this case is like super buff. Ultimately, I like playing both of them.

and even if it was a tech demo can i not appreciate the tech?. I respect your opinion but to me art is multy layered and especially games are made from so many parts that even if -A- part of it is uninspiring or insufficient that not equal to an overall bad experience. :) @@bogjesrbin484

@@bogjesrbin484 My dude SINCE WHEN you can’t enjoy a games good gameplay because of the story? You are telling me you never enjoyed a game that had great gameplay and a bad story. You gamers are so fake

@@bogjesrbin484 You don't play tech demos last I checked. If you want a good story, watch a show or movie.

@@Indigo_1001not when it’s a story-driven game. I agree with you but I also get the other person’s point of view.

@@jorgewithaj98 But it’s still a game in the end of the day. I didn’t like the story, was hard to sit through but I really liked the gameplay. I replayed it skipping all the cutscene and just going through the counters.

Better than RDR2, both the combat and story.

@@Mattened Ehh not in my opinion. I prefer the storyline of Rdr2 by quite a lot. Arthur Morgan and the rest of the members of the Van Der Linde gang are my favorite videogame characters ever and I prefer the slower pace of Rdr2 over Tlou2. Is the gunplay of Tlou2 more satisfying? I would say yes but I prefer literally everything else in Red Dead. All the subtle interactions with npcs and having so much depth with every character even minor ones like Hamish Sinclair, the veteran. Amazing game but Tlou2 would have been better in my opinion if it slowed down more like Red Dead. I wanted the dance in Jackson with Ellie and Dina at the end to be more than a cutscene. In Rdr2 you can dance with Mary Beth in chapter 2 during a camp party and it's part of the gameplay.

Right?! There were times when I thought I was playing a remake of MGS3. No Return was a very well done way of spicing things up.

Hitman WOA and TLOU2 are pretty much the only newer games with high focus on stealth. Maybe count AC Mirage as well

Its better since there is hand to hand combat aspect aswell and advanced AI

Metal Gear is a wack ass game

@@nood1le I disagree strongly but to each their own

Whoa! I like Jay too

man i can't wait i too like jay

Uncharted is more of an over-the-top setpiece-focused 3rd-person action cover shooter series, whereas The Last Of Us is definitely more of a hardcore strategic survival horror stealth series.

@@christopherregan1654 Man the devs should hire you to describe their games for them on the store page cause calling them both "action adventure" does not line up.

I have discussed Arkham in my other videos, but this video was specifically to discuss the lack of stealth games in the 2020s

@@sosaysjayYou should definitely check out the Dishonored series

@@Moonshine449 I've fully platinumed the Dishonored series

@@sosaysjay W I’d say its in my top 10 game franchises

@@Moonshine449 It's a good one. Which one is your favorite? I think I lean toward Dishonored 2 for the crack in the slab and the clockwork mansion.

That is all very kind of you, thank you. Odyssey is the game that got me through the pandemic, I couldn’t get enough of it when I first played it. Initially I skipped it due to lack of interest at that time in my life, but a couple years later I was very happy I picked it up. It’s on my list of videos I want to make. I’m not sure if it’ll come soon as I have some other things I’ve been working on, but I’m sure it’ll pop up as a topic regardless.

@@sosaysjay I mean every word, and thank you for taking the time to respond! I don't expect you to do so with each comment I make, but I'll appreciate when you do. You had said previously that you played through Odyssey 3 times and experimented with the stealth mechanics differently each time. I was amazed because while I loved that game, it took me around 120 hours to do everything in it, but knowing now that it got you through the pandemic, I finally see how that was possible. No rush at all, I'm relieved to hear that you have a list of videos you want to make because that means I get to learn and digest more from you so that's an absolute win. But should you get to that one eventually, I intend to be right there to thank you again. I hope all goes well and you continue to enjoy making these great videos, as well as the fruits of your labor

I appreciate that, thank you. As of now I am also waiting to see gameplay, as a CG trailer and basic info is really nothing to go on. I look forward to stealth improvements, but I have my doubts that parkour and urban environments will be up to par. I hope to see those showcased

Here’s hoping. I’ve played MG3 more times than I can count to Foxhound rank, but Konami isn’t the company it used to be. I do hope it shows out.

I have unfortunately not played much of them, but they have been on my list

@@sosaysjay I'd highly recommend Human Revolution before any of the others, but Mankind Divided by far has the most open, vertical & expansive paths. One could get lost in it's maps despite being so compact.

@@furjaden8553 I've heard great things about the world design of Mankind Divided but yeah, I do prefer to play things in release order

I would encourage for you to play TLoU2 on grounded to see some real good enemy AI

Sekiro does this pretty well.

The game is garbage dont play it

The gameplay its still unmatched till this day

Still gutted about the multiplayer. If they'd fix the egregious exploits and bugs in the first game's MP, I'd go back to it.

Cause they didn’t play it and have to hate on the game with the buffed lady

Because the gameplay is exactly the same as tlou1 but now you can go prone and dodge and there isn’t even multiplayer in tlou2 and tlou1 ps5 stop dick riding

I cut a section in this video about that for time, but I agree. Despite legitimate changes to the enemy AI and the graphical rework, the game feels entirely the same and wasn’t worth full price. Adding the dodge, prone, and jumping still wouldn’t have made it worth full price, but it would have required structural changes to the level design like you said. That would have been way more work than they seemed interested than doing, but it could have gone a long way toward making the game feel like a remake as opposed to barely more than a remaster.

I hate that the game was sold at full price, but other then that I liked that they retained the core gameplay the same while incorporating the smoothness and responsiveness of TLoU2

@@Indigo_1001 I agree. The spaces you fight in, and amount of enemies doesn't really justify them adding dodge. It would make the game a bit too easy. They said they tested it w/ dodge and it just didn't work well. I trust that decision.

​@@Mattened idk i feel any game with melee combat that has no reliable way to avoid damage, be it a block, dodge, parry whatever, can rot in hell 😅

I think my feeling on that is that since the game was remade from the ground up and not just a remaster I would have preferred the spaces and enemy density be brought up to modern standard instead of the gameplay being left the same. Still, I 100%ed the remake within a couple days, was more than happy to go back to it, just felt like a missed opportunity and a product I could only recommend at full price to hardcore fans like myself. Otherwise the old remaster is honestly still really strong.

My make a Walkign Dead game when they just created their own more unique zombie franchise

I don’t know if they’ll stick the landing, but prone and non-lethal are great things to add

I’ve had that on my list for a while but I haven’t played it yet

? sekiro allows you to crouch wtf

@@thonato295 i stand with my opinion

Why no try the Encounters menu of the game, where you can replay all enemy encounters from a menu. You can even have it set where after completing one you are automatically placed in the next encounter of the game. You can essentially replay the whole home like this

@@Indigo_1001 woah, is that new? I only played it at launch and don't remember that. I would try that.

The story was shit

Cuck