Why Tradition Matters In the Orthodox Church (How Scripture and Tradition Go Together) 

Brother God Bless you. I have been fighting with people from the Catholic Church and Orthodox Church the last couple of days because of the “traditions”. But I believe what you just said because it’s written from John.

Amen. Orthodoxy isn’t easy and according to Jesus’ own words it should be hard. That’s part of what drove me away from the Americanized “church.”

Btw your talking about baptist not protestants. Most protestants think you have to "maintain" tradition and faith in some way

the bible literally says to keep the church tradition.... 2 thessalonians 2:15

Well Lutherans have a different interpretation of “sola scriptura”

As a confessional Lutheran myself, we do venerate the saints. Also, we can recognize a circular argument when we see one because saying that the church wrote the scripture and you're a part of that church is the debate itself. I don't know if many Eastern Orthodox clearly represent or know what sola scripture actually is. There would be nothing wrong with reciting a Creed or crossing oneself because it does not go against scripture. We have a high regard for tradition, we simply don't place it above the God breathed Scripture.

“We do not think that it is right to make their prevailing custom the law and rule of sound doctrine. For if custom is to avail for of soundness, we too, surely, may advance our we not bound to follow theirs. Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.” St. Gregory Nyssa On the Holy Trinity "For if we told you to be persuade by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian." St. John Chrysostom Homilies on Acts Homily 33

@@dave1370 You proved that we should follow the scriptures.. not that we shouldn't follow the Holy Tradition of the Church.

Let me know if you have any more questions

HAVANA - At long last, Pope Francis and Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill of Moscow embraced, kissing each other three times. “Finally,” the pope told the patriarch Feb. 12 as they met in a lounge at Havana’s Jose Marti International Airport. “We are brothers,” he told the patriarch. Amid the clicking of cameras and multiple flashes, Patriarch Kirill was overheard telling the pope, “Things are easier now.” “It is clearer that this is God’s will,” Pope Francis told him.

It's better than falsely communing with Catholics. HAVANA - At long last, Pope Francis and Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill of Moscow embraced, kissing each other three times. “Finally,” the pope told the patriarch Feb. 12 as they met in a lounge at Havana’s Jose Marti International Airport. “We are brothers,” he told the patriarch. Amid the clicking of cameras and multiple flashes, Patriarch Kirill was overheard telling the pope, “Things are easier now.” “It is clearer that this is God’s will,” Pope Francis told him.

Thank you for your kind words.

Keep going!

Glory to Jesus Christ! Please pray for me so that I may continue to do this ☦️ God willing I will be interviewing so many more priests in the coming months

​@@RootsofOrthodoxySola Scriptura (Scriptures alone) defence. I'm gonna follow Sola Scriptura because when I'm standing in front of God and He ask' me why did you believed this when Scriptures are clear that Jesus is the Mediator. And why did you believed this when the Scriptures said Jesus and Holy Spirit is the Intercessor. Why did you prayed to dead human rather than the One who was resurrected and who is sitting at the Right Hand Side of Me. When I stand in front of God' throne on judgement day and when God ask me why did you believed this? I will answer and say because here it is in your Scriptures Almighty. I rejected everything that is not found in your perfect Holy Scriptures because I'm a good Berean, I decern, I test everything, and also I trust your Holy Scriptures first because your Holy Scriptures cannot get currpt but men can. Being Bible based tells me Saturday is Lord's Day(Sabbath) but catholic church tells us that sunday is the lord's day(sabbath). Like I said "to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant"- John cardinal. I say "to be deep in Holy Scriptures is to cease to be a catholic/orthodox" - Sagar. _ Holy Spirit spoke the Scriptures. Acts 1:16 16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; Acts 28:25 25 So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: “The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers, Mark 12:36 36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’ _ - 2 Timothy 3:15 says the Scriptures that make you wise for Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ. Now this verse is talking about New Testament. Why? Because Salvation in Old Testament through obeying the 613 laws. And Old Testament is about old covent and New Testament is about the New Convent which is Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ./Now why I don't care how many books are there in the Old Testament is because my Doctrine should come from the New Testament because I'm under the New Covenant which is signed by the blood of Jesus. - 2 Timothy 3:15-17 Now you might say it's the old testament refered to, but no, why? Let me explain. 2 Timothy 3:10 say that they have got the doctrine from paul( 10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance,) And in 2 Timothy 3:15 paul says the Scriptures make you wise for salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ ( 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.) So the Scriptures Paul is talking about is the New Testament. ((- Lord Jesus said Scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35). Also Paul's epistles says "if anyone thinks he is prophet, let him acknowledge that my writing are commandments from God" ( 1 cor 14:37) he also says "not to go beyond what is written" (1 cor 4:6), he also say "to hold fast the traditions from his epistles" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:15). In 2 Peter 3:16 Peter calls all Paul's epistles Scriptures)) This is 2 Timothy 3:15-17 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. but what we have the Holy Bible is complete to explain our Salvation, Gospel, God's word, traditions, and what to do when we gather for sermons. Also paul himself taught the Corinthians Church but the church failed two times and he wrote 2 letter to explain everything again. And in rev 2:28 you can see that Lord gave thumbs up from most things the church was doing but also said that it got corrupt because they allowed spirit of jezebel. So you see that paul kept kinda repeating himself in all letters and the church can get currpt. - all Scriptures is God breadth, for correction, reprove and made on Christian complete. Scriptures is perfect, and if your satanic doctrine is not found in Perfect Scriptures then I know it's from satan. If a perfect Scriptures doens't have everything then it's not perfect. __ - 5 reasons why Bible is my sole authority for doctrine. 1) Bible tells me the Gospel. 2) Bible teaches me what is sin 3) Bible give me information on how a Christian can be completely equip for EVERY good work. 4) When I'm standing in front of the Throne of God, I don't want God to ask me "Why didn't you did what I said, rather you obeyed what some other person said? 5) Holy Scriptures is perfect. Human can sin and be wrong but Holy Scriptures is inspired by God. And when I'm reading the Holy Scriptures I'm not reading what just the apostles wrote. I'm reading what God wrote and commanded through them. _ - Why I have high value of Scriptures? - Scriptures is the Word of God. - Scriptures can foresee future. - prophecy is written in Scriptures which tells us the future. - Lord Jesus Himself took the Scriptures read it in the synagogue and said "this prophecy is about Me". - Scriptures are inspired by the Almighty Living God YHWH. __ -Your argument about "understanding Scriptures on ones own interpretation". Now that a bad argument because we agree on a lot of things for eg- Trinity, Jesus being the Son of God & Christ & God, virgin birth, literal death and resurrection of Jesus, believing that Heaven and hell is real place, believing that Bible is the Word of God. Following Biblical mortality, knowing that Lord Jesus is sitting at the Right Hand of God, all authorities is being given to LORD Jesus, and that we are not under law but under Grace. We agree on these things because these are found in Bible. I mean a difficult doctrine of Trinity is agreed word to word. I think it's not about interpretating Scriptures rather unfollowing doctrines which are not found in Bible. "Why do we agree on these doctrines and and not on other doctrines of roman? Simply because these doctrines are found in Scriptures"- my rebuttal of your argument. When apostles explained our Lord Jesus to the bereans searched the Old Testament to see the prophecies about Lord Jesus Christ, and at that time they didn't received Holy Spirit. After confirming from the Scriptures they believed in Lord Jesus as Christ. _ Phillip had apostolic succession and signs and healings but still samaria didn't receive the Holy Spirit until apostles came and prayed for and and laid hands on them acts 8 . You might say that's why apostolic succession is important but Phillip already had apostolic succession. Now these people will also talk about "traditions" in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, but they won't tell that this "traditions" is nothing but hard work. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. You see these "traditions" is not eating of free, but of hard work. _________________________

With all due respect, I prefer the interpretations of the Church Fathers. Also, you can only believe in Sola Scriptura if you speak fluent Koine Greek and BIblical Hebrew.

indeed congrat!!

What are you going to say to God when He says He provided you with Priests from his established apostolic Church to help you understand the scriptures from an infallible authority, yet you chose to take your own path and personal understanding of the scriptures? @@mynameis......23

There are a bunch of writings outside of the canon that collected the traditions of the early church. Search for the apostolic fathers.

@@theophanmackey3414 thank you!

@@theophanmackey3414 thank you!

Check out this playlist and then speak to a priest at a local orthodox parish. Best of luck in your journey. ru-vid.com/group/PLtjPIwjHyAwK7bjTc_U65z-pVQam7GBMZ&si=pznObI8nW1Ci13zm

Go to a local Orthodox Church and attend a Divine Liturgy. You can get a hold of the priest and talk beforehand as well. There are a lot if youtube channels as well. Father J. Trenham’s Patristic Nectar channel is one. My God Bless you on your journey into the Holy Orthodox Church. ☦️

yes to other comment. Also, look up the book 'Thirsting for God in a Land of Shallow Wells'. That was THEE book that really did a good job explaining the Orthodox mindset and belief system. Super interesting, and it led me to join the Orthodox Church where I live.

I messaged a priest at the closest Orthodox Church to me and expressed interest in Orthodoxy and asked him for advice on where to start :) he suggested the Saturday Great Vespers for my first time 😁

​@@vaporizejelloSola Scriptura (Scriptures alone) defence. I'm gonna follow Sola Scriptura because when I'm standing in front of God and He ask' me why did you believed this when Scriptures are clear that Jesus is the Mediator. And why did you believed this when the Scriptures said Jesus and Holy Spirit is the Intercessor. Why did you prayed to dead human rather than the One who was resurrected and who is sitting at the Right Hand Side of Me. When I stand in front of God' throne on judgement day and when God ask me why did you believed this? I will answer and say because here it is in your Scriptures Almighty. I rejected everything that is not found in your perfect Holy Scriptures because I'm a good Berean, I decern, I test everything, and also I trust your Holy Scriptures first because your Holy Scriptures cannot get currpt but men can. Being Bible based tells me Saturday is Lord's Day(Sabbath) but catholic church tells us that sunday is the lord's day(sabbath). Like I said "to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant"- John cardinal. I say "to be deep in Holy Scriptures is to cease to be a catholic/orthodox" - Sagar. _ Holy Spirit spoke the Scriptures. Acts 1:16 16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; Acts 28:25 25 So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: “The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers, Mark 12:36 36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’ _ - 2 Timothy 3:15 says the Scriptures that make you wise for Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ. Now this verse is talking about New Testament. Why? Because Salvation in Old Testament through obeying the 613 laws. And Old Testament is about old covent and New Testament is about the New Convent which is Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ./Now why I don't care how many books are there in the Old Testament is because my Doctrine should come from the New Testament because I'm under the New Covenant which is signed by the blood of Jesus. - 2 Timothy 3:15-17 Now you might say it's the old testament refered to, but no, why? Let me explain. 2 Timothy 3:10 say that they have got the doctrine from paul( 10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance,) And in 2 Timothy 3:15 paul says the Scriptures make you wise for salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ ( 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.) So the Scriptures Paul is talking about is the New Testament. ((- Lord Jesus said Scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35). Also Paul's epistles says "if anyone thinks he is prophet, let him acknowledge that my writing are commandments from God" ( 1 cor 14:37) he also says "not to go beyond what is written" (1 cor 4:6), he also say "to hold fast the traditions from his epistles" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:15). In 2 Peter 3:16 Peter calls all Paul's epistles Scriptures)) This is 2 Timothy 3:15-17 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. but what we have the Holy Bible is complete to explain our Salvation, Gospel, God's word, traditions, and what to do when we gather for sermons. Also paul himself taught the Corinthians Church but the church failed two times and he wrote 2 letter to explain everything again. And in rev 2:28 you can see that Lord gave thumbs up from most things the church was doing but also said that it got corrupt because they allowed spirit of jezebel. So you see that paul kept kinda repeating himself in all letters and the church can get currpt. - all Scriptures is God breadth, for correction, reprove and made on Christian complete. Scriptures is perfect, and if your satanic doctrine is not found in Perfect Scriptures then I know it's from satan. If a perfect Scriptures doens't have everything then it's not perfect. __ - 5 reasons why Bible is my sole authority for doctrine. 1) Bible tells me the Gospel. 2) Bible teaches me what is sin 3) Bible give me information on how a Christian can be completely equip for EVERY good work. 4) When I'm standing in front of the Throne of God, I don't want God to ask me "Why didn't you did what I said, rather you obeyed what some other person said? 5) Holy Scriptures is perfect. Human can sin and be wrong but Holy Scriptures is inspired by God. And when I'm reading the Holy Scriptures I'm not reading what just the apostles wrote. I'm reading what God wrote and commanded through them. _ - Why I have high value of Scriptures? - Scriptures is the Word of God. - Scriptures can foresee future. - prophecy is written in Scriptures which tells us the future. - Lord Jesus Himself took the Scriptures read it in the synagogue and said "this prophecy is about Me". - Scriptures are inspired by the Almighty Living God YHWH. __ -Your argument about "understanding Scriptures on ones own interpretation". Now that a bad argument because we agree on a lot of things for eg- Trinity, Jesus being the Son of God & Christ & God, virgin birth, literal death and resurrection of Jesus, believing that Heaven and hell is real place, believing that Bible is the Word of God. Following Biblical mortality, knowing that Lord Jesus is sitting at the Right Hand of God, all authorities is being given to LORD Jesus, and that we are not under law but under Grace. We agree on these things because these are found in Bible. I mean a difficult doctrine of Trinity is agreed word to word. I think it's not about interpretating Scriptures rather unfollowing doctrines which are not found in Bible. "Why do we agree on these doctrines and and not on other doctrines of roman? Simply because these doctrines are found in Scriptures"- my rebuttal of your argument. When apostles explained our Lord Jesus to the bereans searched the Old Testament to see the prophecies about Lord Jesus Christ, and at that time they didn't received Holy Spirit. After confirming from the Scriptures they believed in Lord Jesus as Christ. _ Phillip had apostolic succession and signs and healings but still samaria didn't receive the Holy Spirit until apostles came and prayed for and and laid hands on them acts 8 . You might say that's why apostolic succession is important but Phillip already had apostolic succession. Now these people will also talk about "traditions" in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, but they won't tell that this "traditions" is nothing but hard work. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. You see these "traditions" is not eating of free, but of hard work. _________________________

Respectfully, can you back up your statement that it goes against scripture? I am looking into orthodoxy right now. But your claim seems like a tall order. As a brother in Christ - please back up your statement so that I can know more and be cured of my ignorance.

Aww... Thank you

Thank you!

​@@RootsofOrthodoxy Sola Scriptura (Scriptures alone) defence. I'm gonna follow Sola Scriptura because when I'm standing in front of God and He ask' me why did you believed this when Scriptures are clear that Jesus is the Mediator. And why did you believed this when the Scriptures said Jesus and Holy Spirit is the Intercessor. Why did you prayed to dead human rather than the One who was resurrected and who is sitting at the Right Hand Side of Me. When I stand in front of God' throne on judgement day and when God ask me why did you believed this? I will answer and say because here it is in your Scriptures Almighty. I rejected everything that is not found in your perfect Holy Scriptures because I'm a good Berean, I decern, I test everything, and also I trust your Holy Scriptures first because your Holy Scriptures cannot get currpt but men can. Being Bible based tells me Saturday is Lord's Day(Sabbath) but catholic church tells us that sunday is the lord's day(sabbath). Like I said "to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant"- John cardinal. I say "to be deep in Holy Scriptures is to cease to be a catholic/orthodox" - Sagar. _ Holy Spirit spoke the Scriptures. Acts 1:16 16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; Acts 28:25 25 So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: “The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers, Mark 12:36 36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’ _ - 2 Timothy 3:15 says the Scriptures that make you wise for Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ. Now this verse is talking about New Testament. Why? Because Salvation in Old Testament through obeying the 613 laws. And Old Testament is about old covent and New Testament is about the New Convent which is Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ./Now why I don't care how many books are there in the Old Testament is because my Doctrine should come from the New Testament because I'm under the New Covenant which is signed by the blood of Jesus. - 2 Timothy 3:15-17 Now you might say it's the old testament refered to, but no, why? Let me explain. 2 Timothy 3:10 say that they have got the doctrine from paul( 10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance,) And in 2 Timothy 3:15 paul says the Scriptures make you wise for salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ ( 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.) So the Scriptures Paul is talking about is the New Testament. ((- Lord Jesus said Scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35). Also Paul's epistles says "if anyone thinks he is prophet, let him acknowledge that my writing are commandments from God" ( 1 cor 14:37) he also says "not to go beyond what is written" (1 cor 4:6), he also say "to hold fast the traditions from his epistles" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:15). In 2 Peter 3:16 Peter calls all Paul's epistles Scriptures)) This is 2 Timothy 3:15-17 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. but what we have the Holy Bible is complete to explain our Salvation, Gospel, God's word, traditions, and what to do when we gather for sermons. Also paul himself taught the Corinthians Church but the church failed two times and he wrote 2 letter to explain everything again. And in rev 2:28 you can see that Lord gave thumbs up from most things the church was doing but also said that it got corrupt because they allowed spirit of jezebel. So you see that paul kept kinda repeating himself in all letters and the church can get currpt. - all Scriptures is God breadth, for correction, reprove and made on Christian complete. Scriptures is perfect, and if your satanic doctrine is not found in Perfect Scriptures then I know it's from satan. If a perfect Scriptures doens't have everything then it's not perfect. __ - 5 reasons why Bible is my sole authority for doctrine. 1) Bible tells me the Gospel. 2) Bible teaches me what is sin 3) Bible give me information on how a Christian can be completely equip for EVERY good work. 4) When I'm standing in front of the Throne of God, I don't want God to ask me "Why didn't you did what I said, rather you obeyed what some other person said? 5) Holy Scriptures is perfect. Human can sin and be wrong but Holy Scriptures is inspired by God. And when I'm reading the Holy Scriptures I'm not reading what just the apostles wrote. I'm reading what God wrote and commanded through them. _ - Why I have high value of Scriptures? - Scriptures is the Word of God. - Scriptures can foresee future. - prophecy is written in Scriptures which tells us the future. - Lord Jesus Himself took the Scriptures read it in the synagogue and said "this prophecy is about Me". - Scriptures are inspired by the Almighty Living God YHWH. __ -Your argument about "understanding Scriptures on ones own interpretation". Now that a bad argument because we agree on a lot of things for eg- Trinity, Jesus being the Son of God & Christ & God, virgin birth, literal death and resurrection of Jesus, believing that Heaven and hell is real place, believing that Bible is the Word of God. Following Biblical mortality, knowing that Lord Jesus is sitting at the Right Hand of God, all authorities is being given to LORD Jesus, and that we are not under law but under Grace. We agree on these things because these are found in Bible. I mean a difficult doctrine of Trinity is agreed word to word. I think it's not about interpretating Scriptures rather unfollowing doctrines which are not found in Bible. "Why do we agree on these doctrines and and not on other doctrines of roman? Simply because these doctrines are found in Scriptures"- my rebuttal of your argument. When apostles explained our Lord Jesus to the bereans searched the Old Testament to see the prophecies about Lord Jesus Christ, and at that time they didn't received Holy Spirit. After confirming from the Scriptures they believed in Lord Jesus as Christ. _ Phillip had apostolic succession and signs and healings but still samaria didn't receive the Holy Spirit until apostles came and prayed for and and laid hands on them acts 8 . You might say that's why apostolic succession is important but Phillip already had apostolic succession. Now these people will also talk about "traditions" in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, but they won't tell that this "traditions" is nothing but hard work. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. You see these "traditions" is not eating of free, but of hard work. _________________________

You see it's a self-feeding trap when you don't follow the traditions that are actually passed down. Most things verbally passed down, Jesus instructed the apostles not by giving them books but by speaking to them. Drop the pride and trust in the present day kingdom of God.

Let me ask you a question... Do you know that there are writings of the Holy Apostles that are not included in the Bible canon.?

The Bereans did that. They searched the scriptures to confirm the testimony of the apostles. What we would call the Old Testament.

Sola Scriptura (Scriptures alone) defence. I'm gonna follow Sola Scriptura because when I'm standing in front of God and He ask' me why did you believed this when Scriptures are clear that Jesus is the Mediator. And why did you believed this when the Scriptures said Jesus and Holy Spirit is the Intercessor. Why did you prayed to dead human rather than the One who was resurrected and who is sitting at the Right Hand Side of Me. When I stand in front of God' throne on judgement day and when God ask me why did you believed this? I will answer and say because here it is in your Scriptures Almighty. I rejected everything that is not found in your perfect Holy Scriptures because I'm a good Berean, I decern, I test everything, and also I trust your Holy Scriptures first because your Holy Scriptures cannot get currpt but men can. Being Bible based tells me Saturday is Lord's Day(Sabbath) but catholic church tells us that sunday is the lord's day(sabbath). Like I said "to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant"- John cardinal. I say "to be deep in Holy Scriptures is to cease to be a catholic/orthodox" - Sagar. _ Holy Spirit spoke the Scriptures. Acts 1:16 16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; Acts 28:25 25 So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: “The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers, Mark 12:36 36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’ _ - 2 Timothy 3:15 says the Scriptures that make you wise for Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ. Now this verse is talking about New Testament. Why? Because Salvation in Old Testament through obeying the 613 laws. And Old Testament is about old covent and New Testament is about the New Convent which is Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ./Now why I don't care how many books are there in the Old Testament is because my Doctrine should come from the New Testament because I'm under the New Covenant which is signed by the blood of Jesus. - 2 Timothy 3:15-17 Now you might say it's the old testament refered to, but no, why? Let me explain. 2 Timothy 3:10 say that they have got the doctrine from paul( 10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance,) And in 2 Timothy 3:15 paul says the Scriptures make you wise for salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ ( 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.) So the Scriptures Paul is talking about is the New Testament. ((- Lord Jesus said Scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35). Also Paul's epistles says "if anyone thinks he is prophet, let him acknowledge that my writing are commandments from God" ( 1 cor 14:37) he also says "not to go beyond what is written" (1 cor 4:6), he also say "to hold fast the traditions from his epistles" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:15). In 2 Peter 3:16 Peter calls all Paul's epistles Scriptures)) This is 2 Timothy 3:15-17 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. but what we have the Holy Bible is complete to explain our Salvation, Gospel, God's word, traditions, and what to do when we gather for sermons. Also paul himself taught the Corinthians Church but the church failed two times and he wrote 2 letter to explain everything again. And in rev 2:28 you can see that Lord gave thumbs up from most things the church was doing but also said that it got corrupt because they allowed spirit of jezebel. So you see that paul kept kinda repeating himself in all letters and the church can get currpt. - all Scriptures is God breadth, for correction, reprove and made on Christian complete. Scriptures is perfect, and if your satanic doctrine is not found in Perfect Scriptures then I know it's from satan. If a perfect Scriptures doens't have everything then it's not perfect. __ - 5 reasons why Bible is my sole authority for doctrine. 1) Bible tells me the Gospel. 2) Bible teaches me what is sin 3) Bible give me information on how a Christian can be completely equip for EVERY good work. 4) When I'm standing in front of the Throne of God, I don't want God to ask me "Why didn't you did what I said, rather you obeyed what some other person said? 5) Holy Scriptures is perfect. Human can sin and be wrong but Holy Scriptures is inspired by God. And when I'm reading the Holy Scriptures I'm not reading what just the apostles wrote. I'm reading what God wrote and commanded through them. _ - Why I have high value of Scriptures? - Scriptures is the Word of God. - Scriptures can foresee future. - prophecy is written in Scriptures which tells us the future. - Lord Jesus Himself took the Scriptures read it in the synagogue and said "this prophecy is about Me". - Scriptures are inspired by the Almighty Living God YHWH. __ -Your argument about "understanding Scriptures on ones own interpretation". Now that a bad argument because we agree on a lot of things for eg- Trinity, Jesus being the Son of God & Christ & God, virgin birth, literal death and resurrection of Jesus, believing that Heaven and hell is real place, believing that Bible is the Word of God. Following Biblical mortality, knowing that Lord Jesus is sitting at the Right Hand of God, all authorities is being given to LORD Jesus, and that we are not under law but under Grace. We agree on these things because these are found in Bible. I mean a difficult doctrine of Trinity is agreed word to word. I think it's not about interpretating Scriptures rather unfollowing doctrines which are not found in Bible. "Why do we agree on these doctrines and and not on other doctrines of roman? Simply because these doctrines are found in Scriptures"- my rebuttal of your argument. When apostles explained our Lord Jesus to the bereans searched the Old Testament to see the prophecies about Lord Jesus Christ, and at that time they didn't received Holy Spirit. After confirming from the Scriptures they believed in Lord Jesus as Christ. _ Phillip had apostolic succession and signs and healings but still samaria didn't receive the Holy Spirit until apostles came and prayed for and and laid hands on them acts 8 . You might say that's why apostolic succession is important but Phillip already had apostolic succession. Now these people will also talk about "traditions" in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, but they won't tell that this "traditions" is nothing but hard work. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. You see these "traditions" is not eating of free, but of hard work. _________________________

What traditions "go against" the Bible?

@@oogaleeboogalee6522 thanks for your comment: Some of them would be icons and Mary (and I know that orthodox Christians say the don’t worship, but venerate them)…I’m trying to find even the origin of this practice but haven’t been able to find it…like who decided that this is what we are going to be doing- making icons and having them a part of our worship practice and daily lives. Also the fact that salvation is not by grace alone and not of our own works (I totally agree that works are proof of salvation, but not a root or even 50/50 works and grace)…I know that you don’t believe in Sola Scriptura, but you still believe the Bible so this is something that goes against it… Also a minor quantum I have is -As a head covering Christian (no one else in my church or churches that I know of covers)I read in the Bible that women should cover their head while men should uncover, but I see a lot of orthodox bishops and other “high men” covering their heads… There are more but there are the main ones…as I said- these are genuine questions and I would appreciate if someone could answer me ☺️

@@karinacassidy1989 Iconography is found very prominently in the Old Testament, and the belief of Christian Iconography is fundamentally connected to belief in the Incarnation of God as Jesus Christ. The veneration of Mary comes from Luke chapters 1 and 2, and also from the protoevangelium of James and numerous other texts we have from the early Church fathers, many of whom were in contact with Mary the theotokos herself. Also, thank you for pointing out we do not believe in Sola Scriptura. We believe in Church tradition, with the Bible being the source of that tradition. With that being said, the Bible never says to disrespect Mary the theotokos. When I was Protestant, I slandered her worse than Talmudic Jews do, and insisted I was upholding "the Bible" when a plain reading of anytime Mary appears in scripture or is prophesied about, she is a sincere and honest woman, qualities that God desires.

We keep encouraging them until they comply.

Find and attend an Orthodox Church. If there isn't one, that's much more difficult.

I had similar worried and spent weeks studying those kind of topics. You'll get some answers but it may not satisfy. Don't stress over them. Instead focus more on what Jesus wants his followers to do: seek first the kingdom of God, love God and love your neighbor, have a repentant humble heart, trust/have faith that Jesus will give you the Holy Spirit to guide you. These are all things you can find in every Bible. If you seek after keeping every nuanced tradition you'll fall into legalistic religion which is a dead path.

Fact: Holy Tradition existed prior to the NT books and NT books are excerpts from the Holy Tradition. Ancient Church existed for decades prior to the first NT books were written down. Tell me, how does your assertion about the authority passes this historical fact .? What was authoritative in those decades when NT books did not exist but Church did.?

@@johnnyd2383 "thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.” Mark 7:13 Tell that to Jesus. God bless.

@@96tolife That is what I thought. You do not have an answers to my questions. Besides, you quote Lord's criticism of tradition of Pharisees while I am talking about the Holy Tradition Lord delivered to the Church directly by Himself or via Apostles. (2 Thess 2,15) "Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle."

@@johnnyd2383 The criticism of the Pharisees applies to this discussion. The early church was made up of Jews coming out of Judaism. Most of them were immature Christians relying on their traditions to guide them because they didn't know better. Therefore, they relied on the Mishnah and Gemara (aka the Talmud) to guide them. This is what Jesus was taking them to task over. Furthermore, we aren't under the law as Christians, so that eliminates relying on the traditions of the Mosaic Law. The New Covenant is unlike the Old Covenant as written in Jeremiah 31. Therefore, if what you rely on looks like the Old Covenant or the "Fence Laws" created to avoid violating the Law, then it is not of God no matter how much you love it. The earliest books of the New Testament can be traced back to 10 to 20 years after Jesus ascended to heaven (James circa 44 AD, Galatians circa 48 AD, and 1 Thessalonians around 50 AD, etc). But, I know this won't persuade you. This is the internet and endless conversations are the norm. If we can't have an agreement then we can have clarity. I'm done responding to you. I've given you the reasons why I believe as I do. Grace and Peace.

@@96tolife I can sum up everything you said in three words - water is wet. You either said what is known to the preschool kids or you made BS accusations against Orthodox Church that are completely false. I am done with you. Dusting off my sandals. Sayonara.

I guess Jesus is the Twinkie and the traditions are the banquet?

Yes its true! The Church of Christ was created in the day of Pentecost 50 days after His Resurrection. The scriptures of New Testament were written about 30-60 years after. Make your own research about it!

* God

Neither did the people who witnessed Christ in His own time when He said "I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. The bread which I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh." And they responded with "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?" It's not truly cannibalism, you are "Partaking of the Divine Nature", as Saint Peter puts it in his epistle. True cannibalism involves the consumption of mortal flesh, whereas the Eucharist is the "blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins"

Even Peter was corrected by Paul. You have to lose the pride and comfort of familiarity. I was always seeking God in my journey, growing up as a Pentecostal I had ideas implanted in me and by prayer and getting to know Christ in pieces I grew in faith and knowledge. Went into very strange lands and doctrines, even preached on my ideas and didn't see my foolishness. I knew there were true believers and children of God in the Catholic church and the Orthodox Church, and I was torn because I thought the body Christ was those "of one accord" but as you know it's more than that. You are going to pray on it, verbally and deliberately. If you ask for bread or fish, God will not give you a serpent. I asked to see my sin, and am being humbled by my own wretchedness and the damage I've caused. Prayers have been answered, but the answer hurt, as it needed too.

@@GideonWallace Of coarse he did But God Paul to Peter and always was Peter and 11 Pope is not always right nornit is our teaching It's very simple we all have our gifts or charisma so if Hoy Spirit can say something through you ever at all then why can't through the Pope Jesus left that authority to the church. As an Patriarch is a pope in his areas So is pope in his "areas" meaning Church that Jesus gave him the keys and prayed for him to strengthen brethren and order him to feed His sheep and so on

Shut up lmao, we're not kissing francis's feet

Papism is a great deception. Read Saint Cyprian of Carthage on the Church.

@@GideonWallace Thanks bro for your reply We are very simmilar As you know, being humble means knowing yourself, or your place in relationship to God Or basicaly knowing who you really are, not God, nor source of anything. And i know that and I'm a creation created by God, on his image Small spec of dust but loved so much by God. And saying that im saying, is humble, because i can not deny what i know Or have read, what i have studied and research after my born again expirience. Seaking truth for so long Its like going to school for brain surgeon then not operate or talk about what i know, because its not humble. We can only talk or compare what we know and until someone shows me diferently i can't say anyting else but the way it is. Same as for Petar, yes you are right, But only when Petar talks as Petar or has his opinion and can be rebuked same as pope as a person But when Petar talk for Church everyone listen, then Holy Spirit talkes. Same as Pope then he talks as from Devine office or by authority given by Christ. . How come no one saying that Paul after 3 years of his "desert" went to Peter and that Petar was always mentioned as head of apostles. Peter and apostles, Peter and 11 Don't be torn brother, because its is of one accord. Catholic. Im not saying everyone else goes to hell nor i pretendent to know what Jesus will do, but i do know that everyone will be shown that Catholic and most of ortodox is right one, after death and that Holy Mass, Holy Eucarist and all sacraments, everyone should believe in and recieve Jesus, in Eucharist, also Pope, Mary and every other Catholic doctrine is in bible believed by early Church and should be belived by everyone else. Bible itself is Catholic biography of salvation through Christ and His Church And i hope that everyone loose pride and accept His mercy at that moment including me That i know. We were one, according to whole, universal, Catholic, until people stoped beliving in Christ and start belive in them selves. Gates of hell wont prevail, Jesus said, They say it will or it did, ill start my church, Pope can't be right can't exist But "I'm right, I'm infalible, by saying this" Ill separate and be my own pope. That is the fact I know Church is full of reasons to leave but there is more reasons to stay Like Peter sad in John 6 "Lord were we will go" So were one will go Jesus and his promises vs. human brain, understanding and devils influence Alone or in Church In ocean or in Noahs Ark Spiritual anarchy or sporitual harmony Do the math bro Choice is yours God bless and i hope you find the truth

I guess St Paul contradicts Christ then....

Yeah bro the Bible you’re reading was written with an agenda ..

Niv most likely

Cope. Awe, good thing the Orthodox Church has nothing in doctrine or practice that is contrary sacred scripture. Protestantism make up their own man made traditions and dogmas (e.g. sola scriptura, etc.).

really? what traditions do you keep? traditions aren't wrong. they're just not God.

Who defined the pelagian heresy?