Why Traveling In Colonial America Was SUPER Dangerous 

Right????

Agreed, this would make for a great inspiration for multiple horror and adventure stories.

Look up the Assassination of the Espinosas; that could be very cinematic

The child bashing and deaths would be a little too gore

A Serbian film : 😬

I love your videos, too, but next video, please take away that front door, bell ringing, chime sound, you have in the background… Drove me nuts, the entire video I don’t even have a doorbell 😂😂

As a retired serial killer, I feel the same way!

@@Diggnuts As a retired historian turned serial killer, stories like this bring joy to my heart.

@@JarthenGreenmeadow ---As a retired serial killer turned historian, I want Joe to do a video about me.

As a killer of retired cereal historians, I agree. How dare they retire from telling us the history of breakfast cereal?!

Assuming you have at least a high school degree, you undoubtedly learned lots of history in school. The difference is you were required to go to school full time and the curriculum was chosen for you. Now you're learning about history for pleasure in your free time. When we're not engaged in something by choice and/or not enjoying it, we tend not to retain the information for a very long time.

It is so frustrating, this trope. School, especially early years are not for "finding out cool stuff". It's for building basic math, language and critical thinking skills for pupils to apply further in life. I've programmed computers since I was 11, read about the fall of Rome at 9 and almost broke my mind trying to understand quantum physics at 15. Guess what - I've attended a pretty usual provincial school in Siberia, Russia. Schooling can be in depth, but only for those who want it to be so. Don't blame teachers - blame yourself, and maybe your parents a little.

Watching Bonanza episodes is another way to learn about the history of the American west, since a lot of those episodes (but not all) are based on historical facts, some fairly obscure. Like, I never knew that Samuel Clemens lived a few years in Virginia City, Nevada, and how many other famous people had passed through that small town.

Because you are interested enough to continue learning.

​@@MrKruger88 assuming you're both american, i assumed y'all learned a varying crapton of a fraction of what people generally learn, anywhere else in the world

On my moms side I’m related to Abraham Lincoln.

@@ChaseHollisRE I'm related to Adam and Eve

@@Kabup2 Adam and Eve had three sons. How could you be?

I'm a descendant of Godzilla

I have an uncle Zeus

what was the book called?

I don't think those stories you mentioned were *from* colonial America although they were probably commonly used in that way in colonial America. They were brought over from Europe by the settlers.

I don't think Hansel and Gretel was solely an anti-woods PSA. It was a child abduction PSA. A lot of scary woods stories from Europe for children had a predatory character who's behavior represented the type of people an innocent and naïve child could encounter who were extremely dangerous. It's like how skinwalkers and similar folklore creatures/people were PSAs to warn people about evil Shamans. Shamans were not only their medical doctors but their psychologists and someone who mastered the "dark arts" in regards to psychology is usually predatory. Being able to mimic familiar behaviors, read body language efficiently, and compel compliance or other behaviors indirectly are something a therapist can do well but a psychopath can do really well. A lot of horror stories for children weren't just warnings about predatory wildlife, and exposure to the elements, they were warnings about predatory people.

Whoa, I never realized that. 😮

They are European stories clearly.

That reminds me of something I'd heard earlier- that Native Americans would not live in WV, but they would hunt there. Do you know anything about that?

I always wondered how Bloody Run got its name.

Whats the consensus on this? Is it still common / acceptable to call native Americans as Indians? Its like the west Indies, misnomer but still kinda called like that; which is nonsense!

@@filippoeich1180, it was just throwing me off

From the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian: "All of these terms are acceptable. The consensus, however, is that whenever possible, Native people prefer to be called by their specific tribal name. In the United States, Native American has been widely used but is falling out of favor with some groups, and the terms American Indian or Indigenous American are preferred by many Native people." americanindian.si.edu/nk360/faq/did-you-know Obviously there are as many different opinions on this as there are members of native tribes. But my understanding is that the terms "Indian" or "American Indian" have come back into favor when you don't have a specific tribe name to use. Like a lot of our historical terms, it's an ever-evolving thing.

@@joescott thats very interesting Joe, thanks for the reply :)

​@@filippoeich1180 while many may not flinch at the use of "indians" because we grew up with the word and were not aware of how dismissive it was of their native heritage & various cultures, I'm pretty sure the day of saying "indians" is past. Using "Native Americans" simply and respectfully acknowledges them authentically and not as misplaced people from India.

i was thinking this, too. i imagine it's even more difficult to leave an abuser when you live in the middle of the wilderness

If the wilderness can support a bear enough for it to grow fat, it can support you. You might not live into your 80s, for 50 is old for a wilder. But youll be free, and youll be who you were as you were born. Not Jesse the bank manager. Just, man.

Stockholm Syndrome is a myth.

@@paulster185 sure it is, lol.

That's Hawt..

What about Detroit? Was that always a battlefield?

@@TheDennys21 yes

​@@TheDennys21Detroit Purple gang of the 1900s-20s....by far the most murderous gang in the country during that time...like by far

@@TheDennys21 it was peacefull during slavery times

And in case no one has told you, I love you Long Bong Silver OG. The world could really use more silver bongs that are long...

Awww I was watching faces of deaths at 9 years old. It builds character.

Serial killer in the title wasn’t enough for ya?

Is anyone able to see this comment or am I still on the ol shadow banned list still

@@phourtwenteephorlife I can see you

What?

Wow! It's so cool that this video had you to learning so much about your own family.

Your ancestor is a hero for what he did to that bastard. What happened to him is awful, but he saved many others with what he did because of it.

you have to triple check that kind of stuff but for now it's plausible

@@jgunther3398 Which part are you doubting?

Any relation to Steven?

I think that happened in the US too

@@citrusblast4372 💀💀💀

The Native American tribes had a much simpler but more balanced and forgiving way of life than many colonists did. All lived hard lives to be sure, but most colonists were led by religious zealots or bankrolled by people who were getting folks (entire families with kids sometimes!) out of debtors prisons and these people were expected to do back-breaking work to pay off the passage, including the kids! The Native way of life was much easier than toiling on a plantation to produce money for a company back in England! Spain had a similar problem with the soldiers in Florida and other Gulf coast villages as well. The tribes had been decimated by white man's diseases so they needed warriors and their women needed husbands. This was way more enticing than a brutal Spanish General any day of the week to them!

@@glitz6121hahahaha

I'm from new England Lexington Massachusetts n as you know the first battle of the revolutionary war n we know nothing of holding our ppl hostage to fight in fact they wanted war earlier than the Tea Party which I highly doubt they wasted valuable tea to through in the water

I believe you’re referencing the novel, Just Killing Time, by Derek Van Arman. It came out in 1993. It was a fictional account of serial killers, but the author went into depth in the histories of serial killers and how they have been with us for quite a long time. Easier to hide in today’s society versus hundreds of years ago. He brought up how the Nazi era brought them out into the open. A great book that I have gone back to read again over the years.

@@19sl57 sounds great but not the book we got. Mine had 2 parts. Serial killer and Mass killers. Each chapter highlighted a different one, many you’d know like Bundy and Dalmer. I remember is started with a French aristocrat from about the time of the revolution. He would kill peasant children. He actually lectured the parents of his victims about good parenting during the trial.

That's how the white man treated blacks for 350 years.

Yeah kind of like in the Middle East, africa, Central America, Haiti and black American cities today.

It's sickening, they were basically wild animals not people.

​@@MrJbuzz19black american cities? Lol have you seen southern white americans?

@@MrJbuzz19 send more tears

You can tell Joe is smart because he has a bookshelf behind him.

ln Scotland, centuries ago, the Campbell Clan killed dozens of the people of a nearby clan, think it was the Macleods. The Macleods(if it was them)hate the Campbells to this day.

​@@fredbrandon1645 As a Jew, I am not aware of Jews disliking modern Germany. Germany took the lead in teaching its children about the holocaust and prosecuting Nazi war criminals. My family has been there several times and felt welcomed. Wars shouldn't last forever.

@Fred brandon You note several historically events that informative on this. But you do so in a way that seems to imply that someone is sheltered for learning history 230 years later. They could just be young, too busy, had poor access to historical education, etc. And history is always learned later and should continue to be learned by the next generation. That is the whole point of it. TL;DR: don't be a dick when informing curious people.

@@fredbrandon1645 You're absolutely right! That's why I hate absolutely EVERYONE preemptively, because I know that their ancestors were enemies of my own ancestors.

Ohhhh Lincoln is a trippy little place. I can always feel the energy there when I go. It’s eerie.

Of course another event our country probably wants us to forget! Geesh

@@hnybee113 ok

A period piece about the Harpe brothers where a group of vigilantes that fought in the revolutionary war trace them down, with parts where we go see things from their perspective and the perspective of the Harpe brothers, or maybe their wives and it ends up being a trial or a retelling of the whole thing. We begin with the young Harpe brothers, their family are loyalists and so are they. We see the dads teach them how to hunt and trading with the natives, learning some things from them. They accompany their dads to the markets and learn how to be men at the time. But things are also rowdy at the markets, as revolution is brewing. They get harassed and even attacked with rocks for being loyalists. But they get home relatively unscathed. Few days later, the cousins wake up some noise and light, the house is on fire. They wake up their parents, but their dads tell them to run out the back. The father of Big Harpe gives him a pistol and tells him to only use it to defend his cousin. The father of Little Harpe tells his son to do what his older cousin tells him. The fathers get their guns and start firing out the windows and the mothers try to put out the fires, but tell the boys they will be with them soon. The boys run and escape to the bush and wait, but the fires just keep growing and they hear the screams from their parents, as the muskets keep firing out. They see their home collapse on itself before running deeper into the woods. One of the revolutionaries sees them and follows on his horse. Some of his pals see him run and follow him shortly after. He is able to catch up to the boys and grabs the younger one, saying he is dad is a traitor and as sons of loyalists, they should be hanged. The older boy grabs his pistol and aims it at the man, claiming he will shoot if he won't let his cousin go. The man refuses, but the younger boy kicks him and gets out of his grasp and as the man yells and is about to grab and beat him, the older one shoots him. We see a close up of his face and there is no regret. They then spot the guys following and start to run again as they hear musket fire. They run, but can't outmanoeuvre their hunters. They collapse onto the tracks and the hunters catch up, but they argue if they should kill young boys, if they should only kill the older one or if they should just leave them in the woods. As they are arguing, we see the younger Harpe notice movement in the bushes and eyes looking at him. He freezes up in terror and his older cousin tells him to stay calm. Suddenly, multiple gunshots come from around the hunters and arrows fly into them. Then, 3 natives rush up to the surviving men and wound them, taking them hostage and free the boys. Some of the natives know their fathers and recognize the boys. The boys tell them what happened. One man, who hunted occasionally with the Harpe's, becomes full of rage and buries his hatchet in the face of one of the murderers. The others get their throats slit for their crimes. We cut to a few years later, where the boys have been adopted into the native community. They are taught everything they need to know and show hatred towards revolutionaries.

I could see Rob Zombie or Woody Harrelson directing this.

@@loke6664 A good candidate would be Tim Burton. 👍🏻

Hello, fellow WCHS Trojan!

Did your Grandfather ever mention any of the Harpe family moving to Ontario ( Upper Canada back then) ? Being they were loyalists, many ended up here in Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry. My family were loyalists and came here about that time and the next old family spread north of me is Harpe and they too were loyalists.

if you're ever on a cliff listening to somebody tell stories about people being thrown over back away slowly

The “Timesuck” podcast has an episode on the Harpes. Definitely recommend it.

Spencer, my maiden name is McCormick. I know that there were 6 McCormick families that emigrated to America back in the day. From what I’ve read the clan sided with Bonnie Prince Charles in the Jacobite Uprising and were sent from Scotland to Ireland. Then these six persons or families came to America. Because my g-grandfather died in an unknown place, I haven’t been able to find out exactly which of the six we belong with. Anyway, I just wanted to say hello from Arkansas where my family settled after the civil war. Brenda McCormick Penepent❤

Do we know which skirmish?

​@@SojournerBurns Battle of Blue Licks, very end of the war.

My husband's family are descended from the Boones. My mother's people are from Tidewater Virginia and didn't stir very far.

Descendant of Loyalists here. I totally agree that American revolutionary history isn't as clean and noble as it is often presented. My ancestors were forced to flee to Canada afterwards. One of them was escorted to the border by Ethan Allen's men and told not to come back. Others were tarred and feathered and their houses/businesses destroyed.

Fiction

​@Noobovsky So, what, Hawaii didn't really become a state, or Hawaii doesn't really exist? 🙄

@@joe3eagles a lot of people feel it was just taken….which…sadly…. I think is probably true

The Hateful 8 is just a product of Quentin Tarantino's diseased mind

@@thomasreto2997 no one cares about how you feel,we wanted somewhere tropical to vacation without a passport no shame in that. It also was a great tactical location for military bases so we had to take it before Japan did.

Thanks man! Same to you!

@@joescott happy New year Brother!! . I have a question for you , what type of coffee do you drink ?. Thank you for your content,it is amazing.

I think rockstar confirmed that

I was thinking about while watching the video that I wouldn't be surprised if this influenced the creation of one of the more bloodthirsty gangs in Red Dead 2.

more murder stories joe!

@@jgunther3398lmao

I could imagine Nick Cave writing a good song for a movie about this, maybe even a whole album that could be part of the movie.

Nah cause the family gonna sue

Sounds like you should write it.

Also, just across the O. River from Cave-in-Rock was the home of James Ford, AKA Satan’s Ferryman. Killed many a trusting party going west by raft or such other conveyance. Dumped bodies in a crevice in the limestone near his house. See “Satan’s Ferryman”, by W. D. Snidely and Louanna Furbee.

Oh. Oh. Snively not Snidely

Yes, they did. Look up the Penobscot of Maine. They have never been oppressed, because they fought hard in the Continental Army.

any democratic tendencies of the na had were coincidental, and they made the harpes look like amateurs

Yeah, that's a definite possibility.

The thought also crossed my mind that at some point there may have been a little bit of Stockholm going on...?

Why "not so willing after a while"? Women are not pure good if you need to be told. As long as dudes provide for them many women are just fine to stick around. Many examples of history. Not least Eva Braun et al.

@@TV-xm4ps I don't think anyone is claiming or under the delusion that women are pure good. But it does seem likely that they didn't know what they were getting into, and most likely lived in fear. How could you do otherwise when you see them kill their own children? We don't know for sure, obviously, but it's certainly a good possibility.

@@TV-xm4ps no matter how charmed a woman might be at the beginning, very few will stick around willingly after seeing multiple children murdered by your vicious husband of a serial killer, lest you end up like them.

Duncan King, my ancestor, was neutral but thought to be a Loyalist because he had served as a pirate in the king's navy and received his land as a grant from the king. We have family stories how his wife helped him stay hidden when the teams came around looking for him. In hind sight, she's fortunate they did not kill her and burn their home to the ground. The stories say that she, Lydia, was a charming hostess and a very fast horsewoman. They lived in what is now Columbus County, NC.

The revolutionaries were equally as barbaric, if not more so because they won, and had uncontested state power to back their crimes.

Close it's Allan W Eckert. His stuff is historical happenings of how this country was born and changed. The Indians and frontiersman being large parts of his stories.

Alan Eckert never mentioned the Harpe Brothers dummy 😢😢😢

Read Eckerts books during my high school days. Most library's had a set of his work. Enjoyed his writings immensely.