WHY Two Headsails? [Cutter vs Slutter vs Solent] | Sailing Wisdom

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What do Cutters, Slutters, and Solents have in common? Two headsails!
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@OddLifeCrafting 4 года назад

Thanks a lot!! I was just searching for the name of the Solent Stay on google and got to a nice class about the mast we are just assembling!! I always love you explanation!!

@RiggingDoctor 4 года назад

Odd Life Crafting Glad it was helpful. It means a lot to me that you benefited from the video 😁

@RiggingDoctor 4 года назад

If you have any questions or need help with something rigging related, let me know! The best way to get in contact with my is by email: riggingdr@gmail.com

@OddLifeCrafting 4 года назад

@@RiggingDoctor 😊👌🏼⛵️

@OddLifeCrafting 4 года назад

@@RiggingDoctor Thanks a lot!! I definitely will!!

@TheTir1962 4 года назад

Hello Odd Life, watching one of my favorite rigging channels and who do I see...my favorite boat rebuilding couple!

@erwinpatio8160 3 года назад

I've been searching around the web for a beginner's explanation of sailing dynamics and rigging to satisfy my onset fascination of sailing, and all I've encountered are confusing biased justification of why a certain system is better because it is what they use in the Vendee Globe or American Cup.This is, by far, the best no BS, no hype explanation I've encountered on the net that actually makes sense on a cruising point of view.. Thank you so much.

@RiggingDoctor 3 года назад

Thank you very much

@Knapweed 3 года назад

As the owner of a cutter, I totally agree that 'gentling' your boat in heavy weather is the way to go. Less heal, less strain on the rigging and less strain on the crew. It's also makes the voyage enjoyable rather than a constant challenge.

@mikej3328 3 года назад

You are a fantastic teacher. I learned a lot about rigging and the forces on a boat that I never really thought about before. Thank you!

@garenkarapetian709 3 месяца назад

This is probably the most informative video on whole RU-vid about the basics of standing rigging.

@RiggingDoctor 3 месяца назад

Thank you very much

@richardbedard1245 3 года назад

I don't know how many people I've listened to explain rigging, but now that I've heard your explanation I actually understand it! Thank you.

@CheersWarren 5 лет назад

Nice job Herbie, the Solent rig also gives you the option of a simple ready to go tradewind downwind set up with both sails poles out , you have a great rig ,potentially reefable by rolling the head sails. There might be enough sail area to lower the chafe prone mainsail and still make decent time on a passage safely . Cheers Warren

@akathesquid5794 5 лет назад

looking forward to the Gaff rigged schooner model with dowels and twine

@RiggingDoctor 5 лет назад

Haha! I might make it to Portugal before I finish that model

@anthonyrstrawbridge 2 года назад

I love this video. It was the first time I listened to Herbie on Sailing Vessel Wisdom at the Rigging Doctor RU-vid channel. I remember thinking quietly , " This kid is going to make a great sailor".

@joerickard4216 4 года назад

Great Video ... I've been sailing a lot of years and this is the most succinct explanation I've found. Thanks!

@josephvalle9178 5 лет назад

Great information! I’ve had a 80’ Hunter 37c for 20 years & have never heard it that clearly explained.

@andreasvogel9049 5 лет назад

Thank you very much for the great explanation. I agree with you what concerns the healing of the boat and I also prefer reefing earlier than later, it's easier and less stress for the rigging and the rudder. I really enjoy your videos, very interesting and informative content. Greetings from Germany and Fair Winds.

@sailingmoonshadow3169 5 лет назад

that's great information Herb. I am considering adding a second forestay to create a simple downwind rig so now I know I'll have a Solent. That's kinda interesting too because the first time I sailed this boat was in The Solent (for your non uk subscribers - that's the bit of water between the Isle of Wight and mainland UK :-) )

@CaptMarkSVAlcina 5 лет назад

That was great information, and I must say I am very much enjoying the rigging talks.

@barnieboyd7959 4 года назад

Thank you sooo much for your excellent explanations and rigging lessons. I find you are the best instructor out there. You are so clear and concise the way you demonstrate everything that it's easy to understand. I am in the process of making a change from sloops to buying a cutter. Now that you have given me the basic understanding of a cutter I am excited to get out there and try this. Thanks again

@alrafeca 5 лет назад

Excellent!! It explains perfectly why I love my 37” Cutter. Thanks, Herb!

@alrafeca 5 лет назад

I meant 37’....😬

@Dan_C604 4 года назад

I was going to say, do you love your model boat 37 inches long! But then you corrected it, lol

@danmallery9142 3 года назад

This is one of the best explanations of the basic concepts and comparisons of these sail types. Just found your channel and subbed up. Thanks!

@mikes2294 3 года назад

Exceptional teacher, could not be explained any clearer. I now totally understand. Thank you so much.

@LoanwordEggcorn 2 года назад

Thanks for a really good discussion about different kinds of rigging and some of the forces on the rigging. Totally agree if things get too windy just reef. It's the sensible thing to do, and it's easier on the boat.

@FiveSenseslive 4 года назад

Thank you so much for these excellent explanations. I am just adding a mobile inner fore-stay to my Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 49 and I'll double check some things now. Just to make sure the new headsail is not pulling too much to the front, without back-stay support. Thanks again!

@nathanneale6309 3 года назад

Super excellent description and info!!! I was really hoping there was a video like this and you have done it for me!!! Cheers Mate, and happy sailing!!!

@richardbedard1245 4 года назад

I am just learning about sailing. I have been baffled by all the terms used for sail configurations. Your explanation just answered about a hundred questions I had rolling around in my head. Thank you very much for your presentation!

@RiggingDoctor 4 года назад

Glad to help!!

@johnenglert3105 2 года назад

Best explanation I have ever heard. Thanks so much Very informative of basic sailing stresses

@Scramasax 5 лет назад

We have ours cutter rigged. The most easy, best balance, lazyest setup we have is second reef on the main and the staysail up. The second reef on the main allows both running backstays to be tightened at the same time and the boom and the sail has clearance to pass both. Just awesome setup! The only problem is that we allmost never see enough wind for that setup! ;-)

@Redimusprime 4 года назад

That was a lot to take in. Explained a lot. Amazing video. My Santana was my first sailboat and it took me forever to understand the running back stays. Now that I have been at it longer I’m looking forward to not having them on my beneteau. I also enjoy a deep heel to shake up the kids and guests but after thinking about that pressure I may slow it down, lol.

@SailingSarah 4 месяца назад

That's really being in tune with your pet 😂

@rabukan5842 3 года назад

Great explanation of reefing. Many think you reef to avoid heeling too much. True, but it’s really important for rig longevity, to not over stress the mast, and for safety.

@robertilles100 4 года назад

Awesome explanations, thank you.

@5766546 3 года назад

Good video. My favorite is to have a staysail boom so that instead of tacking the staysail sheets you simply tack the backstays. Short tacking in light wind, drop the jib and you can ignore the backstays, just leave them slack. Also, rig your backstays to the center line of the boat to eliminate off center forces at the mast.

@wisenber 5 лет назад

And this highlights a comparative advantage for my trimaran. The beam is wide enough for the swept sidestays to reduce the accute angle. That in turn leaves the wing mast free to rake fore and aft. When the jib is roller reefed, rake the mast back to move the CoE aft. Then again, if my boat is heeling 15%, I have bigger problems. Reef early and reef often!

@globyois 2 года назад

Very interesting, and informative. I agree with most of your healing philosophy, less strain on the rigging, sure. I have a Jason 35, cutter rigged. Thanks.

@sethile 3 года назад

Wow, fantastic explanation, and super helpful!

@spinkey4842 3 года назад

best explanation i've listened too, thanks man

@Mordalo 3 месяца назад

Bravo!! Best explanation and advice I have seen on the topic.

@johnswimcat 3 года назад

Great video. This stimulated a lot of ideas. Mast further aft, rotating wing mast, very high aspect main, most drive coming from foresails. I expect it's all been done

@Knoklsnedkr 3 года назад

Thanks for the in depth explanation on sails. :)

@magnuslundstedt2659 3 года назад

Thankyou for many great videos. I had long agoo a small sloop (Staley 19) that I converted to a slutter, not by adding a inner fore stay but by adding a bowspreat and a outer fore stay. It was mostly to better light wind performance, and it worked realy well in light wind going against choppy sea, gave both better balance and better run against the waves. But why surprised me most was how good she balanced in medium winds going upwind when I added so much lateral force forward of the existing sailplane. Now I start to wonder how she realy was balanced before.

@cvanscho Год назад

I'm messing around with similar ideas (albeit on a dinghy, not a keelboat), and I'm also surprised how little difference to the helm balance extra foresails can make..

@ricksabral1 5 лет назад

Great Video. Thanks! I have a 1960 Skorgenes (Norway) 41' Mahogany Sloop. It has 1 back stay, 2 running back stays (steel cable with block and tackle to the cockpit), check stays, cutter rig set up with sail track on the mast and fore deck and 2 forestays coming off a "Y" at the bow, both going to the mast head, one port & one starboard. I have NO furlers. I can run a solent rig (I know technically the Solent is aft of the forestay, not next to it). with either the Genoa or the Jib flying with no tacking problem as the No. 1 sail doesn't have to squeeze between the space that would be there if it were a normal Solent rig. Oh and I don't have a boom Vang, I have preventers, one port and one starboard. The Naval Architect that designed this boat for an Oslo businessman built it for North Sea and Baltic Sea navigation. She is now being refurbished while sailing the San Francisco Bay Area. Fair winds and following seas.........

@billhanna8838 5 лет назад

With the twin spreader swept back rig of a lot of boats one can virtually set up a cutter rig to the top spreader with enough arft pressure from the swept back rig to do away with a runner , though i do have runners set up for heavier weather tied off to the rigging on a bungie, Cats with there wide base & swept back rig do away with runners completely .Nice post , like the bird

@christurner2340 3 года назад

This is a really helpful video. Thanks so much! Makes me think twice about heading offshore with a roller furler, especially an older furler. I think I’d rather set the capehorn and go forward to hank on the storm jib, even solo. You had me at downhaul and drifter :-) :-) :-)

@christip20 Год назад

Another great one! “Too Fast to Fish” -sounds like a tee shirt to me! I’ve really liked your new format, it’s really fun for me and different, Thanks!

@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 3 года назад

Fascinating and totally comprehensible. I'm a newb and feel like I got most of that explanation.

@tomclause9555 Год назад

Good stuff!!! Keep it coming.

@hwolfify 2 года назад

Your hand gestures indicating wind force... Makes so much sense. Thank you. Beautiful exploration

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

You are welcome :)

@dr123hall Год назад

Damn! Rigging school in 20 min!! Information worth gold!! Thank you so mich!

@motorbikefu5632 3 года назад

My West Solent is similar to the Solent design you mention, but the Solent stay doesn’t run to the top of the mast, it runs to the same point as a cutter goes to on the mast, 2/3rds up.

@marlakaine 2 года назад

Love the bucket of rocks analogy. Thanks for the clear, concise video!

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

👍 you are welcome :)

@sonnylange3051 5 лет назад

What about covering a sloop with a high aspect main and large genny? When you have this you need a baby stay and running backstays to stop the mast pumping. My boat is a Wauquiez Pretorian 35

@klausjensen9150 3 года назад

good job on the explanation, fair winds !

@Dontnegotiatewithterrorist Год назад

Thank you so much for this informative video. You are an excellent teacher. I just subscribed to your channel. keep up the great work.

@roadboat9216 3 месяца назад

I have owned sloops, a 44’ cutter and a 46’ ketch. Hey! They all work. And I liked them all. For a larger boat, really liked the ketch, especially short handed. Vessels under 40, yeah, a sloop is fine.

@emmamutimer 3 года назад

Thankyou for such informative videos. Really useful stuff.

@stewartsloan8316 3 года назад

All sensible information, thank you.

@kirstyjjamieson 5 лет назад

Love your work

@toddwever4916 3 года назад

Excellent description!

@unconventionalme8048 4 года назад

Man! Your guys’ vids are so informative! Thank you !!!

@RiggingDoctor 4 года назад

👍

@msf60khz 2 года назад

On our little trailer-sailor, we have been trying headsails set flying. Not very close winded but not bad. We have a genoa up front hanked onto the stay, with a downhaul, and we are thinking of launching a small jib set flying behind the stay for strong winds. This sail position is also suitable for a light weather spinnaker of some description which we have been trying out.

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

Very cool! Flying jibs have a long history on sailboats for a reason.

@atreyuprincipalh4043 3 года назад

Absolutely the best explanation Will definitely subscribe.

@jmorg5238 3 года назад

I really enjoyed your solent discussion video

@rondog8192 11 часов назад

I have a cutter. Great vid, very insightful and helped me alot. Thanks!

@janetbeasley3929 3 года назад

Thank you , I have learned so mini thing from you all , thank you , Andy

@RiggingDoctor 3 года назад

Glad to help!

@paulmount2076 2 года назад

That was one of the best and simple explanations I've seen. Thanks.

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

Glad it was helpful :)

@ITAOB 2 года назад

Very informative. I bought a 39' cutter rigged Cavalier several years ago and decided to take off the inner stay and running back stays for the time being, as I'm currently only doing local coastal cruising ( plus I'm also relatively new to sailing - so wanted to simplify my rigging). As I get ready to do some offshore sailing, I've debated whether or not to reinstall the cutter rig. After seeing this video, I'm most certainly going to set it back up as a cutter. Thank you for the clear and precise explanation.

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

Offshore, the staysail is the only sail that was up almost the entire ocean crossing.

@ITAOB 2 года назад

@@RiggingDoctor Do you have a boom for your staysail? If so, any images/video of it in action? Thank you.

@equesdeventusoccasus 2 года назад

I find this series of discussions about rigging setups excellent. I would love to see this entire series redone with something behind the sailboat masts and rigging so that they are more visible. The color scheme of the background and the cord and dowels used for masts are similar enough that you can only clearly see them where the blue pillows are.

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

Very true, when we get back to Baltimore I will be redoing them with a black background.

@bseachamp 3 года назад

Thanks for the great info!

@mrechonet 5 лет назад

Its amazing the amount of terms there are for different setups.

@G11713 5 лет назад

Apparently, Eskimos (Inuits) have 50 names to describe the different types of snow.

@acarianu 9 месяцев назад

excellent explaining

@taiming71 2 года назад

Very informative video. Cutters looks so cool but clearly made for going in a strait line and not for tacking.

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

Very true. When we are racking a lot, we only fly the staysail to make our lives easier. Out in the ocean when you are on the same tack for a week, flying the jib is not a chore since you will never be tacking it through the slot.

@craiglucas1247 2 года назад

Thanks so much, I've learned so much from this video!

@melinda5777 4 года назад

This is by far one of the best 'teaching/explaining " videos I've seen. Thank You!

@RiggingDoctor 4 года назад

Thank you very much!

@melinda5777 4 года назад

@@RiggingDoctor I just saw one of your videos last week and have been trying to get up to your 'time'. Wished I'd have seen the one's on Teceria when you were there. I was stationed there from, well along time ago. Some of the sites look the same. Others I think they have made it easier for people to find. Like the walk through the forest videoo. Back in my day, you had to know a local to get back in there where you guys were. It was so nice to see. Especially Pria De Victoria! Love that little town. Thanks Again.

@RiggingDoctor 4 года назад

Terceira really was one of our favorite places that we have visited on this trip. When we fly back to the states for Christmas, we are trying to organize the flights to have some time there so we can get a good visit in :)

@melinda5777 4 года назад

@@RiggingDoctor There is a husband and wife that have their own business there on Teceria, they have really great deals from out of Boston w/hotel stay all included.

@Papaj7687 4 года назад

So question on the cutter design with the back stays? If it was on a trimaran could you just run the back stays to the outriggers to get proper angle and clear for main sail tack?

@SteveBergkamp 5 лет назад

Excellent. Looking forward to it. Thanks Herbie. I'm actually in the dentist chair waiting for my new crown fir number 16 to mill. Have a great day

@RiggingDoctor 5 лет назад

Cerec crowns are pretty awesome!

@dougfitch3649 Год назад

EXCELLENT. I learned a lot.

@zachseward3047 Год назад

This was a super useful video! Cheers 🙏

@RiggingDoctor Год назад

Thanks!

@lydiaajohnson 4 года назад

Geez Herbie. That was fantastic. Although, I have questions as though I just sat through a class. Guess I did. So, I have a 22 foot sloop. I intend to take it to the east coast this summer to begin live aboard at a cheap marina where I can get practice on bigger bodies of water near the ocean. (This is the tentative plan.) I plan on living very cheaply to save money to upgrade to a bigger boat for coastal cruising and sailing in the Caribbean Sea. What rigging set up would you recommend for a slightly cautious and new to being in charge sailor? By the way, please keep educating us on all things that require some configuration.

@chrisrobinson6288 10 месяцев назад

Very good video. Thank you for the good info. Well explained.

@RiggingDoctor 10 месяцев назад

Glad you liked it!

@davidstorer5551 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the explanation on boat design and rigs . Now I am happy with the boat I am building.👍

@RiggingDoctor 11 месяцев назад

What are you building? Can you send me pictures to my email (riggingdr@gmail.com)? I love seeing other designs to get ideas for our own project.

@flydr2 Год назад

Thanks for the great info... Well explained

@RiggingDoctor Год назад

👍

@gerrys6265 3 года назад

Great explanation - than you!!

@bizeigel 2 года назад

What would be best additional stay for C&C40. Large headsail driven rig with smaller high aspect mainsail? Typical sloop with little provision for reducing foresail area. Also if Solent stay added and existing backstay supports it, can you butterfly both the sails downwind? At what point must you increase the support factor of that backstay. C&C40 uses Navtec hydraulic adjustable backstay. Thanks!

@ratusbagus 4 года назад

The asides were very useful. So over canvassed and deep heeled must add as much stress to leaded keel bolts as it does to shrouds?

@MichaelMarko 2 года назад

This is great! Thanks so much!

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

You’re welcome!

@HandyMan657 2 года назад

As it turns out all I had to do is watch this video instead of bugging you. Should have known the Rigging Docter would have a video on exactly what I was asking about. Figures Thanks a bunch my friend, love ya.

@josealemany4525 5 лет назад

Thanks Herbie. You make it easy to understand. I'm new to sailing, although I'v run power boats most of my life. When you do your episode on ketch rig can you do some comparing to schooner rig?

@RiggingDoctor 5 лет назад

I am almost done editing that episode now

@nickgilmore5197 3 года назад

So if my mast is right at position 4 and I have baby stay, inner forestay and forestay does that make it a cutter?

@Ed-ip2sg 4 месяца назад

Thanks for this. Great explanations. When are you guys going sailing again.

@RiggingDoctor 4 месяца назад

This summer!

@stevegam1776 2 года назад

Super informative vid. Thank you.

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

You are welcome. I’m glad it was able to answer some of your questions :)

@bertieb9510 5 лет назад

A lot of sense. And even though I’m a sailor I learnt a bit too....

@bigbpdx 3 года назад

Very informative

@christopheroconnor7659 2 месяца назад

“It won’t work. That was tried in the 70’s and stopped in the 70’s”. Unintentionally the most accurate description of an entire decade.

@RiggingDoctor 2 месяца назад

😂 now that I think about it, there are a bunch of other things that fit that description.

@davidprocter3578 4 года назад

solid rod fore stay take it you have not heard of them great for inner stays

@EricdeJong-lk2xh 6 месяцев назад

Thanks, I know way more now thanks to you!

@RiggingDoctor 6 месяцев назад

Happy to help!

@l4rrikin 5 лет назад

On my newly acquired inline 2spreader m/h sloop, I guess I have a 'tiny thing' 18:10 (aka baby stay?) It attaches at the 1st spreader. It has a small block system at its base (which hovers above a super-size deck-cleat). Is it designed to raise a staysail or just add support when the genoa is being reefed?

@RiggingDoctor 5 лет назад

The baby stay is there to help give the mast proper bend by pulling the lower section forward. This starts the bend and the backstay then finishes it off by pulling back on the top.

@McTickles777 2 года назад

great information!!!

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

Thanks!

@bingogarvin2924 5 лет назад

Land lubber,love your vids,thanks

@sypelikanoceanis4860 Год назад

Hi Rigging Doctor😊…. I sail my Beneteau Oceanis 48 set up as a SLUTTER…. according to you! The inner stay is also roller reefing system. Same as the forestay. My question is: How should I find the correct tension for the newly rigged inner stay? Should it be the same as the forestay? Should it be softer or harder as the forestay? I have also an adjustable backstay. How would you approach that? Thanks for your coaching!

@RiggingDoctor Год назад

I would start off with both of them being about equal. The same rule would apply: tighten the backstay when upwind and loosen it when downwind. Having the adjustable backstay, I like to set both headstays a little looser than I would if the backstay was fixed so that I have some flexibility in my adjustment (tighter to looser).

@joannshuttleworth6359 3 года назад

Isn't there something about the mast setting back 40 percent of the water line length for the boat to be called a cutter? Also my jib I have set on a club boom. Seems to give me a better shape than without.

@SteveBergkamp 5 лет назад

Herbie: Thanks or making this so easy to understand. I've really been enjoying this series. Would you add some discussion about a ketch rig ? I've been looking at Ketches because I like what I've seen about their performance in heavy weather. Also, I have noticed that in many of the videos made on these, the engine noise seems very low. I haven't ridden on one yet, but am planning on that soon. I would love to know what you think have having a mizzen, and your thoughts on ketches in general. Thanks again. You are the rigging doctor!! :-) Steve B.

@RiggingDoctor 5 лет назад

Thank you very much! The first video on ketches will be soon, but it just talks about rigging. The following set of videos will be when I make the sails and we will once again cover ketches in more depth ;)

@timevans8223 2 года назад

Just to add another variation. Our Solent rig has the two headsail furlers, parallel, about two feet apart. In light winds we can tack the genoa between the two stays. We have runners as the attachment of the inner furler is about 7ft down from the top of the mast. Going to windward in heavy weather the runners give is an advantage with mast stiffness and reduced mast pumping. It's an option we like.we set it up like this out of preference. It works well

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

Sounds like the best of both worlds!

@denismcgee1691 2 года назад

Excellent explanation. A joy to watch. Question. We have a Beneteau F235 with a furling headsle and a main with 3 reefs. The boat has a baby stay that I was thinking about putting a small stay sail on so that it ballances better with a 3rd reef. Note we don't go out in third reef weather but somtimes we get caught in a squall and need to use it. What do you think? Thanks. All the best.

@RiggingDoctor 2 года назад

In third reef weather, a tiny sail on the baby stay will give you better balance but won’t be large enough to give you much drive. In lighter winds, it’s not going to be of much service. We have a reef in our staysail and when reefed, the wind needs to be at least 40 knots for it to give us drive (but we can make way in 40 knots of wind with a balanced sailplan).