Why Ugin's Labyrinth Is Better Than You Think | MH3 Spoilers Discussion 

the people saying ugin's labyrinth isn't busted are the same people that think urzatron is better than cloudpost.

I think this card is gonna be good in exactly one deck. That deck being Eldrazi Tron/stompy. Running Ugin's Labyrinth and Eldrazi Temple together is gonna be disgusting. However the line of turn two KTGC and TOR is starting to get into magical Christmas land for me. The only reason I am downplaying this card in mono red prison strategies and goblins is where are you fitting in the cards to exile for this land. This card is gonna be strong but its gonna be strong in a very specific deck. I do agree turn one Chalice of the Void on one is disgusting and if its consistent enough could be considered for banning. I do also want to mention this card fights with the Tron strategy. It takes away a land drop causing you to hit the 7 mana mark later causing you to lose mana in the long run.

Well the reason I downplay this is because we dont work with magic christmas land hands, saying u having 2 useless 7 drops 2 Labyrinth and a karn or ring is the epitemy of magic christmas land, im not saying its not going to be good! Of course it is, but I think you are panicking a wee bit too much on this one. It will have real deck restrictions, it will be really good in the decks where those restrictions are met, but they are not many + there are tons of land answers in Modern

A lot of them are busted tho, we're drowning in busted cards for the spoilers

This card embodies what they're trying to go for in modern horizons 3, that being "powerful, but narrow". This card is incredible in the decks that can run it, but i don't think it's gonna be the next modern staple. Not like it wins the game by itself, unlike a certain saga land. Honestly, there's an argument that this might not go in affinity, cause the artifact lands often function as sol lands (giving mana and reducing cost) with no imprint restriction.

Labyrinth is going in tron, affinity, and probably some version of Eldrazi. It’s not just pitching a card to get the soul land. It has to be 7 cmc. Not a lot of deck can afford to even run enough 7+ drops to have density that lets exile consistently. You are going a little off the deep end with this. Chalice on 1 is the most likely thing that’ll happen, if that.

Turn 1 Chalice is back! That old Colorless eldrazi aggro deck is back in a big way!

As someone who's played a lot of Sol lands in legacy if it enters untapped it's amazing. Doesn't sac like City of Traitors, hurt like Ancient Tomb, or limited to Eldrazi.

We've had eldrazi winter and Hogaak Summer. Now it's time for Eldrazi Summer...

I did notice this while you were describing what the card does, but nothing in the game actually generates generic mana anymore, even if the card's text says to generate generic mana, it's been Oracle Texted to say the equivalent amount of colorless mana, you can check literally anything and this is the case!

IMO the biggest thing you didn't mention is turn one saga turn 2 construct.

At the end of the day, it’s still a two card combo that you need to run a critical mass of high CMC colorless spells which are early game bricks usually.

Yeah let's just give tron an ancient tomb with no downside. What could go wrong? 🤣

The card will see play because of the softened "miss" and not really because of the highs it can hit. The fact it can also just default as a one mana land is the real selling point for the card.

I for one look so forward to this land! :D

I would love to see this on Legacy Mississippi River

I may have a colorless modern prison deck that uses knowledge pool and soulless jailer. It also may use prototype portal and jesters scepter as an alternate wincon.

Just to note It loses the two mana ability if you return the imprinted card to hand I'm sure it will see modern play.

I think another thing to think about doing with it is activating urza's saga on t2. In legacy t1 urza's saga t2 sol land is an extremely powerful way to churn out constructs and I think that that type of thing is one of the major things this card will be facilitating. That being said I'm not panicked yet. I think a cmc>=7 colorless spell is more of a cost than it seems (definitely the dream hands can work and I even think we'll see those, I think it's largely a deckbuilding cost. If you aren't playing simulacrum synthesizer, myr enforcer is pretty bad). And also the main decks that will be playing this will be artifact decks and they have to worry about meltdown now which is incredible against all their 0's and 1's

The most important one I think is going to be Chalice on 1, since it just runs some decks out of the game pretty rapidly if you are on the draw. Scam and DRC hurts, yes. Burn is out, Affinity also hurts since they can't play their drums, none of the 1 mana Urza's Saga targets can be played, Pithing Needle is stopped in game 2/3, Hardened Scales is stuck in hand, etc. (I'm especially happy that it blocks the stupid monkey)

Eldrazi Summer ☀️

Also an upside in modern is that the exile can happen turn 1 so hides cards from grief and thought sieze and can get them back when ur able to cast

As an EDH player, there are some things I like with this. Example, my Esper Urza deck runs Akromora's Memorial, Darksteel Forge, Mycosynth Lattice Only two of those can be valid targets for this land though. But Lattice could help given that it makes everything colorless. So, really, I probably do not want this turn 1. Turn 1 - Land > Sol Ring > Arcane Signiant > Enlightened Tutor (Fetching Forge or Memorial) (Any Line that allows me to Tutor on T1 works for setting up T2) Turn 2 - Ugin's Labyrinth (Exile the Fetch) (6 Mana Available Untapped) But that is requiring a minimum of Tutor and Labyrinth in my hand Turn 1 to function with a white mana source in a 3 color deck. That may be asking for a lot. In fact I do not see a line of play where I want this turn 1. Even if I opened my hand with Labyrinth and say Forge or Memorial, how far can it get me? Labyrinth > Sol Ring (1C Flote) > Arcane Signiant (1C Float) > Thought Vessel? That opens turn two with 5 Colorless and 1 Color of my choice. Not the worst. That is a turn 2 Lattice. Potentially. I am not running Eldrazi Temple because that is useless for my deck. Lattice Turn 2 is probably my best outcome here.

This with the new emrakul in tron modern was the one thing i thought would be super busted

I think its more the fact, while this card is op, there have been so many other leaks that those kinda outshined this one. They arent seeing this as a possibly manacrypt/sol ring on turn one

Wait people think that this card isn't busted? Anyone ever hear how busted the sol lands are?

This card with Urza’s Saga is very, very good. It’ll allow for massive golems very early that are hasted via lava spur boots.

This card is now the chalice card every chalice deck wants this now

With an active Ugin labyrinth and leyline of the Guildpact you can get a turn 1 scion of Draco, and scion can be used to imprint onto the labyrinth so even the 5c decks are homes for this whole also removing the single downside this has in being a colorless land without the imprint

Love your content. This card is obviously broken - probably has an expiration date - but we’ll see!

I think the 7 or more colorless is actually a very real limitation. It means that you need to either already be playing cards of those specifications or be comfortable adjusting your deck to include enough of them to fire consistently get this effect off. As of right now, that is not really the case. So I think currently the only deck where this sees play is Normal Tron. But to be clear, I think this card is still quite good.

From the currently spoiled cards, I think "Flare of Denial" will be much more format warping than this since it's much easier to include in a larger amount of decks. Not just Merfolk, but any deck that runs blue creatures.

Also Urza's cave is quite insane for dark depth enjoyers regarless of the format

I think we are putting too much weight on the imprint. Yes it has an imprint but I don't think that should automatically mean it gets compared to other imprint cards. But rather should be compared to similar cards instead regardless of if it has the imprint keyword or not. The seven cost requirement is going to be more than doable if you are playing this in the right deck. Put a second copy of a card in your hand under the imprint and you're golden. Being a land means that it is less susceptible to removal/Counterspells compared to other additive mana engines that are artifacts or such. And the last thing and what I think truly pushes it over the edge is that it is still a Wastes. If Wizards really wanted to show at least some sort of restraint with this land they would've 100% let it enter the battlefield tapped which is a blanket effect that this card somehow gets to escape? Not being legendary I can understand but letting it enter untapped is nuts.

Ugin's Lab will fit nicely in my Big Bois edh deck

Aspiring spike already play tested this card on his channel kozeleks command looks incredible i want to see eldrazi tron with urzas saga that idea looks like gas chalice on 1 turn 2 urza's saga turn 3 karn ring etc. Sounds incredible but they printed this card while also printing more mono white death and taxes as well as the blue magus which will keep this strategy in check back to basics would've been a great addition to this set too seeing as mono color decks are running 4 basics i think we should incentivize basic lands again these expensive prison effects aren't good enough imo they need to reprint bloodmoon on 1 mana and make 1 for each color so people stop making expensive mana bases add wasteland and rishadan port too just get rid of these nonbasics i wish nonbasics were banned so you were forced to get 4 colors the old fashioned way by using green to fix ur colors or artifacts like the one that got banned in mh2 instead of burn running sunbaked canyon fetch lands and spell lands. Force the game back to basics

Well in the end we will see what Eldrazi Winter will bring us. I like it until now and I am looking forward for more. Can it be that we will get a Eldrazi Crab...of course Landfall is not a theme but they made the Mulldrifter to an Eldrazi Envoke-(Null)-Drifter or an Eldrazi Mill creature...okay I am probably wishing to much...or I am?🤔

this is the only card so far that ive seen that makes me quiver in fear. And it was pretty much immediately after seeing this card, I thought that. The rest of the set seems really well designed and for the most part balanced with trade off and the flair cycle so far (in a vacuum) seems like the best free spell cycle we've gotten so for in modern. the rest of them are powerful card but they need to be build around which is what I really like so far about everything spoiled so far, then dont just slot into everything like a good amount of mh2 cards did. But im amazed this card is being printed and I genuinely fear this card.

I can see this being the reason land destruction gets sideboarded more. Destroy a land and they lose the 7+ mana imprinted card.

I will Knowledge pool was the first card that came to mind for imprint, but in my defense it was the first imprint card I saw with a big effect. But it's my favorite/least favorite card. I think it is hilarious but not worth the disruption it causes without everyone first being ok with it.

It's functionally the same as simian spirit guide AND ancient tomb when eldrazi shredded the modern format.

Is this gonns be the fateful return of Myr Enforcer?

How many 7+ CMC colorless cards are you running my guy

As a victim of it in extended, when you say imprint I think of scepter chant.

1:23 for the record, wizards made an effort to differentiate between colorless and generic for clarity reasons: Generic was ALWAYS cost type, never a mana type. Old lands that produced colorless mana used numbers in grey circles. They all got errata'd to colorless symbols. In fact, for example, utility lands producing "1 generic" actually never produced "generic" and this is just a common misconception.

Yeah cause what modern really needed with ancient tomb. Tron goes brrrrr

No one is talking about the fact you can protect the imprinted card from t1 grief lol that’s actually a huge upside not even close to a downside

Ah, Knowledge Pool. Fun times throwing this down with OG Teferi on board and locking up everyone else's game

Shhhhh don't tell them let me buy them for cheap before they realise

Who knows the whole math for this card on curve? How many 7+ cmc cards will you need to run for this to produce 2 Mana on turn one and so on and so forth? I think we need to start the discussion there

My biggest issue with this is that it's not a legendary land. You could have multiples out at the same time so gross so bannable

The eldrazi spoilers are absolutely insane.

They don’t want to reprint the reserve list, so in the near future Legacy will be the new Vintage, Modern will be the new Legacy and Pioneer will be the new Modern. Vintage will be a collector only format. This is the way to make power creep without upsetting your player base.

Just running potential decks through he hypergeometric hand calculator. The odds of turn 2 Karn or The One Ring are less than 0.5%. You are removing 4 green/colored sources to make room for this card so no ancient stirrings etc. i.e you are making your deck much worse overall. This card has high potential for the future if more cards like Nulldrifter are printed but as of now this card is not broken. In affinity you are playing a not artifact land so you wont get free spells online turn 1 and you are delaying your free 4/4 by at least a turn by requiring that you tap the Ugin's labyrinth to get it back which also isn't an artifact so you are effectively wasting 1c mana and an artifact for the idea of a disneyland hand.

10:15 rip Harambe!

So this is what people mean by Suffering from success huh?

I hate that this is going to be so fucking expensive because I'll HAVE to get this for my colorless Eldrazi edh

Why is no one mentioning domain with this card? It allows for a t1 scion of Draco.

Knowledge pool + chad dranith magistrate

Portal to Phyrexia is a pretty good card to pitch to the land

I see a lot of talk in the comments about 7cmc being too restrictive. Theres going to be new artifact decks using sojourners companion and silly cards no one plays. Hands down. Might not be goos though

At worst it's a land at best it's a Sol ring as a land. I don't think this card will be a big flashy format warping card but it will be a subtle shift over time that in hindsight we will go "wow that was the most powerful card in MH3"

Eldrazi Tron rules

Of course Tron is gonna play this

also this mitigates the downside of urza's saga on turn one, you play this turn two and just flood the board with constructs immediately

0:11 The fact that full grown adults get exasperated about card board game pieces never ceases to amaze me. Frankly I enjoy both the over powered cards and the pearl clutching and gasping every time Rosewater farts. It is broken af tho. Makes Oko look fair. 3:05 I’ve never seen this before but it’s going into bruvac and lord high artificer. 3:20 RULE OF LAWL

The fact that the main prison deck in Legacy is Mono-Red will always make me laugh

As a grixis shadow player.... not happy to see faster mana for tron, a deck ive always struggled beating with the interaction in my mainboard. Anf this just hiding tron pay offs from my thoughtseizes...

I believe the best deck this slots into is eldrazi tron

Yess im a evil player

You should consider this card a companion. There are building restrictions imposed on using Ugin's Labyrinth. Considering this, the number of decks using this card is greatly reduced.

This requires more setup than a utopia sprawl and nobody is freaking out about that. This is not as consistent turn one, two untapped mana, especially when archetypes like scam are around and comparing it to an ancient tomb is pretty overblown gotta say

Some people have said that the neo lands are better then this XD.

really dont like this card, the most defining trait of modern I enjoy is the board mattering a lot, and the lack of fast mana. and with pitch cards and this land, It feels more and more modern is going to lose its identity

It still isn't great. It's an OKAY card, nothing outstanding since it's only usage is for the niche decks like Eldrazi. I think the imprint keyword kinda manipulates everyone's opinion of the card. Just because it has imprint, it's not close to those other imprint artifact cards. Now if it was a 0 cost artifact, then it would be without question a busted card.

This card is insanely op. There is no real cost! You can get the card back. If you lost the card you paid the imprint for the rest of the game then sure bit better design. As ti stands it is utterly stupid and ridiculous.

No is not busted card i will explain why in legacy is worse card than ancient tomb and in legacy is wasteland so you 2 for one is only usable in colourless deck you cant use it in initiative deck not in goblinns why cause they no consist of 7 colouress spells its very specific land that can only used in specific decks that and even in that decks is anciet tomb better , city of traitor dont need setup even drown back is worse in cloudpost deck this is not good cause they usally dont play anciet tomb this land is on crystal vein level card , goblins no play this they dont play colourless card of 7 mana cost in goblin is unplayable this land initiative also dont play 7 mana colourless cards .. and in modern it can be used in new sort of eldrazi deck instead of eye of ugin thats only deck i see is good now maybe in legacy eldratzi too but thats all..

Blah, blah, blah...Urza's Saga...blah, blah, blah. It wasn't busted, nor is Ugin's Labyrinth. It's good in exactly one shell: Tron. It will probably be used for Eldrazi. It will do what it's supposed to do in bringing an Eldrazi Tron style deck back. But you're not just casually dropping this into Tron without adding a considerable number of 7 cost Colorless cards. It's literally easier to just dig for Tron. And why would you ever play this over a Tron land? Good card? Yes. Busted, broken, meta defining? No.

The more I consider situations with this card the worse I think this card is. you are overhyping to heck.

Meta Warping card, it will force decks to change how they are built to play it, while decks that already play this way just get better. Easily a ban watch card, with high chance of bans in Modern.

Premature to call it busted. It's very good, too soon to say it's busted. You're thinking of this card in the context of the current meta and without actual play testing theorizing perfect hand draw scenarios.

Yeah e tron get the chalic on 1 turn one no downside thank you wizards for bring eldrazi winter back this summer. Question who asked for tron to get support smh