Why UK Surgeons are NOT "Doctors" I 30 Second Facts I  

Surgeons find it a privilege honestly 😊

​@@DrEzgiOzcan Really? Why is that so?!

@@sabasiddiqui429 Because it is viewed as a ”higher” position than a regular doctor.

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@@roxy4046 Mr/miss isn’t a higher position overall tho

Honestly- it's kinda infuriating lol

Yeah lol that would hurt their narcissistic ego

@@tabasumbashir4434 No, it really isnt.

@@johnlemma401 it’s not narcissistic, they worked hard for it.

Conversely in the UK (but actually similar in a way), a UK surgeon would get annoyed if another healthcare professional called them Dr as they have 'earned' the Mr/Miss/Ms title (as if it's different from they starting title. For them, it's like it's one up from being a doctor). Obviously this is a generalisation but the point still stands.

Thank you!

Can you help me? I wanna ask some questions related to medicine.

that I didnt know! interesting thanks! :)

Wtf.. That's incorrect... First surgeons were doctors itself..

no, that is correct.the first surgeons were in medieval times, because there was no anaesthetic or heart rhythms known, all you needed was knowledge of anatomy (no medical knowledge) and since medieval knowledge of anatomy was not as complex as it is today, barbers could learn it and they already had cutting instruments. People thought that the more blood a barber/surgeon had on there coat, the better they were because they were apparently more experienced, that’s why the white coat emerged, but little did they know, blood carried with it infection risk.

Butchers too!

Actually, and strangely, you're NOT correct. Most would be horrified to be addressed as 'Dr'. There exists a kind of reverse snobbery in UK medical circles, regarding this. This is because it is viewed as a kind of badge of honour to make it through the simple 'Dr' stage - as in general dogsbody doctor in ER, or doctor in a hospital putting cannulas in, or treating someone who has a wart.. Surgeons have done a minimum of 9 years of postgraduate surgical training - and that's AFTER completing the 5 years medical school - and that's usually, at the Royal College of Surgeons, or at a university hospital that is related to their chosen speciality. So they are conferred the title of 'Mr/Miss/Ms Consultant Surgeon' and are VERY senior and top dog on the ward. In terms of the respect conferred with the title 'Mr' , in the UK, they feel that it separates them from the general Dr, of which there are thousands - and puts them in an elite class, of which there are only a handful in a hospital dept. Think of it as a bit of reverse snobbery. They like that. It becomes a badge of honour. So, it would be like addressing - 'Mr Andrew Forbes Hamilton MD (Oxon) FRCP FRSC PhD Professor of Urology, Consultant Surgeon in Urology, Lead Research Fellow In Rare Cancers, Oxford University Hospital'. He might choose to be addressed as 'Professor Andrew.. etc.' But my point stands. So, you can see, and use your intelligence, to know that he is extremely well qualified and respected.. And at the same time you are not worrying about whether the person is going to do a good job operating on you. The 'MD' told you that they have spent 4-years at medical school, plus 2 Foundation Years in a hospital dept. And then, during the next 7 years he had elected to enrol in the Royal College of Surgery, and then trained/studied during his time as a resident at the hospital, whilst studying lectures and exams at the university. After 3-years, he became a qualified Surgical Baccalaureate, he went on to gain confidence by completing his training by doing 2 Foundation Years as a practicing Surgical Intern under the watchful eye of other consultant surgeons, before finally getting his Surgical wings as a fully qualified Surgical Registrar performing general surgery unsupervised for 2 further years. After 9 long years, if there is a position available, anywhere in the country, they are able to apply for a Consultant Surgeon's position, and finally be able to drop the 'Dr.' from his name and elevate himself to 'Mr.' So, that's 14 years training in all, to become a consultant surgeon. That's the journey that they go on..

I would not want to be called Miss after all that studying and I’m in the U.K. and intend on studying medicine. It should be optional.

Thank you 😊 I’m thinking of making it a series

Glad you thought so!

Thank you 😊

They do have the option of keeping the doctor title. Most surgeons are honoured to be referred to as Mr, Mrs or Miss

@@DrEzgiOzcan Oh! I didn't know Sorry 😊🙏🏻

Not heard of that before. Possibly 🤷🏻‍♀️

At least 9 years from graduating from medical school

That’s so sweet of you to say! Thank you 😊

😂😂 I’m still not totally comfortable with the camera that’s why 😆

@@DrEzgiOzcan U look cute just the way u blink😊🤩😜

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U actually look more like middle eastern or indian than british. Are u related anyway with them🤔😜

Hi Teegan thank you for your message and support on my channel. Unfortunately I am unable to give medical advice over social media. As you’d appreciate it’s not right to diagnose and advice someone without seeing them. It’s best you speak to your physician about your concerns

The answer to that question is quite complex. It’s best to look at the ranking tables for the universities and look at the subsequent competition ratios to get an idea of ease of getting a place

@@DrEzgiOzcan alright sure I'll do that thank you so much...keep doing what you do..its great!!💕

Thank you 😊

Thanks for watching!

There are plenty once you get your GMC registration

​@@DrEzgiOzcanoh okay thanks for ur response doc

You need a medical degree to become a surgeon and for that you need a science background usually

@@DrEzgiOzcan if anyone who don't have secience in 11 and 12 th and graduation what she or he can do to be doctor in uk or foreign country

No silly questions at all. What do you mean by working the floor? You mean working in a&e?

@DrEzgiOzcan yeah, think what I mean is when patients come in with a serious injury are Surgeons readily present to attend to them eg working an A&E shift or are they called out of jobs that they might be doing eg planned operations.

They work closely with a&e but don’t work in a&e if that makes sense. The a&e team will see a patient and refer to the surgical team is required. Also if a GP sees a patient in clinic and thinks they need to see a surgeon they will refer directly to the surgeons so the patient will be seen by the surgical team and not a&e. The surgeons who see new patients are called “on call” doctors and they are a separate team to those carrying out routine surgeries. Hope that makes some sense

@DrEzgiOzcan Yeah, that answers it perfectly. Thanks

Which college

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something new for the pub quiz if it ever gets asked :)

If you click the three dots it’ll give you the option of turning on captions 😊

Not if you don’t want to buy many do

yes you will still be known as a doctor but referred to as Mr or Mrs

They can still be called doctor if they wish but they actually look forward to being called Mr or Miss/Mrs once they qualify as a surgeon

@@DrEzgiOzcan ohh!!, Thanks

thank you :)

Yh could be. What would it be 🤔

It’s all for bants 😊

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Yes! Surgeons love the transition from being called doctor to 'mr' or 'ms'

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@@DrEzgiOzcan oh..you look like indian ...❤️

Good thanks 😊 hope you’re well too

More historical than anything

My understanding is that the title is an academic title again going back in history - physicians were required to have medical degrees making them doctors of medicine. Which is different from gaining the title from a doctoral level degree. 🤷🏻‍♀️

They are given the title of "Doctor of Medicine"

Your talking nonsense.

What do you mean?

@@DrEzgiOzcan In some conversation, if one says, I'm Dr. X and another one says I'm X and a doctor. It seems second one is more humble.

Not sure how it relates to the video. You mean surgeons become more humble?

@@smnkhati8289 I disagree. We work bloody hard with years of sacrifice. So owning the Dr title shouldn't mean one is less humble!

Agreed