B S on planing, my Glastron will plane in four seconds and I never lose sight of the water. The only reason that your front would lift up this much is if your not properly trimmed.
Yeah, he lost me as soon as he compared the outdrive boat without a swim platform, to the direct drive boat with one. Heck I would probably prefer a direct drive, but the used market is few and far between.
I/O Performs better in choppy waters and you can go into shallow water when you Trim up the stern. Bottom line the I/O can do everything the V-Drive can but the V-drive cant do everything the I/O can!
Sorry but the I/O does more like ugly cavitation in and out of corners and prop blow out , just upgraded from a bravo 3 to a V drive and I will never go back to that horrible I/O handling again
Sounds like you don't keep your thumb on the trim button when maneuvering. The aft prop comes closer to the surface when turning, so you have to be on your game with the trim. I have 32 years of working on boats of all makes and drives. Yeah, I hate working on I/O's, but, inboards are the worst to work on. I will never own a v drive cause I don't like to bleed.lol
In my opinion your pro's and con's are only in advantage of the v-drive. It's clear you don't like IO's! I just want to let you know i'm not convinced by this video. PS: my IO planes in 3.5 seconds, you should just use the ladder to get on the swimplatform, it manouvers perfectly at high or low speed, etc... maybe i can only be convinced by driving it myself. Never done that before 😉
O/D is easier to launch, easier to control turns when docking etc., will run in shallow areas, and much easier to replace a damaged prop. Also it is less susceptible to prop damage when hitting a sunken object.......floating debris etc.
"V-drive" is just whipped cream on dogsh!t. Trying to rename what's been called an inboard for a century. It's a marketing ploy to make something old fashioned suddenly sound new. Inboards are notorious for having poor maneuverability at slow speeds due to ZERO vectored thrust. The engine also takes up HUGE amounts of deck space of smaller runabout sized boats. Lmao.
You just have to get used to it and use it to your advantage instead of fighting it. I learned how to drive an inboard on a 26' Navy double ender and I would take a straight inboard over an I/O any day!!!
Same here, I had more issues with my stern drive than my direct drive docking. If you click it just a bit in and out of forward you regain steering. Then we lost reverse and still are going to run it for the season with no issues so far.
@@dailystupidandinterestingv7794 Well, my best friend had one, and I've got the other, and I can tell you, hands down, no comparison, even he agreed, IO is way better!
Go over an oyster bed and let me know how it works out with a V-Drive? I/O for the last 15 years and no problems and I have gone over a few oyster beds.
I like my v drive ski boat, but I'd be the first to admit that a stern drive/ outboard is so much more practical, and no slower either. Outboards and stern drives give you heaps more room in a boat, even a stern drive you get more room just by not having the driveshaft and v drive in front of the engine. stern drives and outboards let you launch/motor in way shallower water, and as others have said, if you're worried about hitting your feet on the prop, get a platform. Otherwise the leg makes a very handy step in my opinion. And a leg gearbox is quieter than a v drive. Outboards are a massive weight saving for similar horsepower. I have a fishing boat with a outboard and bought the ski boat after, and whilst i love it, i can really see why outboards are so much more popular.
I was going to say the same thing. My friend has a IO with probably a 2 ft swim platform off the back. I don't think I have EVER once accidentally kicked the prop. This guy in the video lost all his credibility IMO as soon as he made that ridiculous argument.
Agreed. I have an IO with an extra swim platform. You've got to get under the boat the boat to reach the stern drive. I had a straight inboard. Bent the rudder while on the trailer pulling up into a gas station.
@@chad1755 almost all my boating experience was in an Arriva, stern drive 7.4 merc (454 big block chev) from when i was a kid, never have i ever cut myself on the prop....small platform as well, the guy is spit polishing his toes in the video lol
Can you beach a v drive boat with out doing any damage to it I go to lake powell a lot and love beaching my boat to go explore cyn and let the kids play in the sand
You missed a very important factor that m,akes I/O's more practical then V-Drives is the maneuverability. When you're out on the water going over like 10 knots, it doesn't matter. However when you are close quarters maneuvering, there isn't enough water going through that rudder for it to have a big effect when docking, so it makes it difficult to dock. With I/O's, you can direct the thrust without the use of a rudder, making maneuvering easier then with a V-Drive. By the way, this is in the case that you have ONE engine on your boat. If you have two engines on your boat, get twin v-drives, conventional shaft drives, or outboards. I personally don't like I/O's because of the maintenance and how hard it is to maintain, but yeah this is my personal opinion. I think your video is misleading though.
LMAO exactly, v drives are only better in that they can surf. I/O is much cheaper, easier to use, easier to reverse, easier to dock/ put on trailer, maintenance is much easier. And with a hydrofoil surfboard you can surf the second wave of an I/O or go steal the v drives waves lol
Egg beaters weren't invited into this conversation but I'd like to make a point about outboard power as opposed to V-drive, in the nineties I went through my V-drive phase small block Chevy headers loud and fast, until a very modest looking bass boat blew right by me and I thought to myself maybe there's something to this, there is something to it, my current rig is a 21-foot low-profile pleasure boat powered by Yamaha 250hp outboard hung off the back jacked and trimmed to find The Sweet Spot, a well-engineered set up but very few modifications running 75 miles an hour, the new normal for these type of boats with a bit of modification is over a hundred miles an hour, it's all about where the water breaks finding The Sweet Spot by hanging the weight of the outboard off the back of the boat to achieve minimal drag, the competition tow boats that were used in this illustration typically run about 38 mph in some cases a little faster, oh don't get me wrong the competition towboats are sexy and very well refined they certainly have their purpose from what I can tell that purpose is they tear up all the perfectly clean water and destroy the shoreline and make everybody's ears bleed with hip hop at the boat ramp, I'm just saying it's amazing to me how engineering your motor to hang off the back you're able to achieve unbelievable top end speed in addition to a well-rounded boat that's quiet and does not draw the attention of the local five O, it's kind of fun to pass tow boats you're an easy mark. Not to mention cost, there are a lot of perfectly good high horsepower well-engineered Factory race motors packaged in an outboard configuration, Boat and Motor used but well-maintained selling for less than $10,000 compared to the competition tow boats that were looking at in the new Marketplace getting close to $100,000 would be my guess.
LOL, that sterndrive looked like it took 8 seconds to get on-plane! Our old 28' cruiser back in the day was quicker to plane than that! This guy.... I hate when people missleading, 'best handling, acceleration and no bowrise' are found in many boats other than V-Drives.. IF V-drives actually drove smoother and performed better for families than a sterndrive then we would still have ours, but we traded it for a much better sterndrive boat that rides so much better than our old mastercraft, plus docking and especially backing up are next to impossible on v-drives and they dont seem to be as intuitive in the marina and are not as responve when whipping a tube around. Thats my take.
Need to get a rope out of a prop or change a prop I/O. Fuel efficiency and top speed I/O. Want to beach in shallow water I/0. Trim down to cut chop I/O. Trim up so not to harpoon a large wake I/O. Quiet at idle and speed I/O. Less chance of hydro lock I/O. Ultimate water skiing experience V drive.
Yes, I have had to replace the prop on my I/O many times. Carried a spare prop like a spare tire. Tip up the drive, lean over the back, done in minutes without entering the water. Try that with a V drive.
Yup, no fun for a V drive. Unless you have dive, gear puller and ropes, you’re SOL getting those twin 18” four blade heavy (in the water) bronze monsters off the boat I had. They were pretty strong, they made mulch out of some logs and didn’t have vibration or loose speed. At haul out they look unharmed.
One of the dumbest & dishonest videos ever made. What did he leave out? So many things that make an I/O far superior! Shallow water operation, especially beaching, massively better fuel economy, not only better top end but about the same increase at cruising speed for an I/O, much better dockside handling with directional thrust ( w/the single inboard you can only back up one direction--it pulls one way), and when you're on a following sea coming in a rough harbor with the directional thrust of an I/O you can counter steer & keep your stern straight as a wave passes under you. With a single screw inboard you could have little control and get thrown into the rocks. Did I miss anything?
Really biased review. The sterndrive in my cobalt is way up under the swim platform, you would have to try really hard to kick the prop. I/O rides better, steers better, you can control it in reverse better, control at docking speeds better. Also, I/O gets better fuel economy and higher speeds. You can also draft way less when you have the lower unit trimed up. I've bounced my lower unit off of logs and stumps at high speeds with no damage, try this with a expensive brass prop, and rudder of an inboard. Direct drive, and V drive are one trick ponies.
+TheStephenspann27 Your right, the only people who want v-drives are people who care about IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE SURFING, GOOD WAKEBOARDING, SLOW SPEED HANDLING, AND CONFORT
@@lonniestevens7963 great choice!! 351 ford is a good solid performer.....my v-drive is a 83 17'10" Hondo xh511tdeck runner bottom pump gas BBC 680ish hp and a glide Casale v-drive started the rebuild took 3.5 years 2 of which was spent finding a great engine builder long story launched in March of 97. I've had almost every kind of boat and propulsion except sail and I got tired of the fuel bills from big 2stroke outboard motors went and built my setup it's fairly useless except for going fast....I was amazed at the fuel burn.I had 2 custom 14 gallon tanks built one on each side. Had a 21' Hawian Berkley and a bbc that had a 15 gallon tank and would go through that in a couple hours. With my v-drive I go all weekend 3-5hours run time per day if I don't do 110 everywhere lol but Nautique's are great family boat's that you can do allot of different things mine's 2 seats and a trigger..lol.....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
Exactly what Grendelroy said. My I/O Four Winns can get many many many places on my lake that a V Drive would get once, and leave its' prop and rudder. What about the cost, in my experience V-Drive boats cost more and have more damage potential with bent shafts, shaft supports and rudders. The safety aspect is a red herring if you have swim platform. I have never had anyone kick or be injured by my lower unit in over a decade of use by experienced and noob passengers. I find launching and I/O much less problematic as I can trim up and not worry about cleaning off expensive underwater bits. I don't need a fat sack to trim up and get a better wake for wakeboarding as the boat is all purpose from grandparent fishing to airchair use. Neither is a "better" boat. I find it to be the best for my purposes. When it comes to your cash, that is what you should spend it on in my myopic opinion.
So let's talk about price. Is it fair to say ANY "V-Drive or Wake Boat" manufacturer tacks on an extra $50-100,000 'just because'? You guys are fleecing people left and right. So why would I want to waste money? I grew up skiing and knee boarding on an outboard, worked just fine, did everything we wanted it to do. You along with other companies are completely fleecing people and offering nothing better than what outboard manufacturers have to offer. You basically have priced yourself out of the market considering a new boat from you easily is worth $40-80 thousand a year later.
Someone told me long ago, "Date an inboard, marry an outboard". I love my Malibu inboard. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic boat and performs magically, but it's far less practical and more expensive to own and maintain. If you're on a body of water you know and trust, it's less of an issue. That said, you see everyday people's days that end with a submerged object that takes out the prop and mangles the driveshaft, ruining the alignment. Or worse, putting the blade into the fiberglass. By comparison, an I/O or outboard will lose the prop or the lower unit. Both are easily repaired. Then comes winterization, the outboard wins hands down. quick oil and filter change, tip it up/down a few times, and you're done vs. having to flush and drain the cooling systems on I/O and inboards. That said I've owned all three. We've had more fun with our inboard than the other two. Really depends on your use cases. We're heavy into watersports and the meat grinder underneath is a great spot for it. You learn quickly how to maneuver. It's the wind that is more problematic. The bigger inboards now have stern thrusters that make it much easier to position.
Inboard has FAR less maintenance, especially when slipped. But, you pay for extra gas because of the loss of mileage and speed. Tradeoffs for everything.
I know you're trying to sell the V-drive but it absolutely is not better than the io. You sometimes when I dock my boat I live on Lake Ontario my boat's in my backyard the water is between 12 and 16 in deep on my floating dock. I can bring my boat in and raise my prop where it's still underwater high enough that I do not bottom out on the prop and I can actually get my 20-foot Sea Ray boat to Dock and Float perfectly in less than 16 inches of water. Can your V Drive do that?.
Dated video but I'll comment anyways. This video is biased for obvious reasons. There are pros and cons to every drive but in my opinion an I/O or OB drive offers more pros. Proper propeller diameter and pitch are crucial elements for I/O motors and can have a huge effect on getting up on plane. My I/O gets up on plane very quickly and will do 50MPH while offering a pretty smooth ride. The propeller is easy to change out and the boat can operate in about 2' of water with the O/D trimmed up a little. This means I can get into more areas for fishing or closer to beaches if we want to swim ashore. O/B motors are even better because they eliminate the bellows and other components that require additional maintenance. Someday I'll drive a V drive just to experience it but it would have to blow me away to pull me away from an I/O or O/B drive boat.
Nonsense. Different drives have their pros and cons, based on where you use it. This guy is talking in absolutes. “ a V drive can do everything a IO can do” . Sorry but Wrong.
I/o all day , I can change my prop not hit debris and I bet my mach one will smoke that boat lmao my boat will get through shallow water . Not like a v drive .you can get stuck on a beach if water levels go down . If you can't raise your prop it's garbage to me . Mighty missippi river king ,Tow boat Jay . Don't listen to this guy. I plane out in no time . It's called trim which a v drive doesn't have
Here, let's compare a 20k boat to a 50k boat..... Having said that, all I/Os are garbage, they are popular because they are cheap. Go for outboard or inboard, and leave that hybred crap to the Toyota prius.
Ive owned boats for 30 years and have NEVER had anyone go near the I/O to get on board the boat. I ve had v drive and they are difficult to back up. You are stating your opinion. Not facts
Sell wake boats to people who are doing water sports. They are great boats but not for everyone. Sterndrives have many advantages over V drives and are usually better setup when you're looking for performance. Cruising and leaving your boat in the water is a different thing. Thumbs down from me.
This is propaganda, direct drive boats can’t beat stern drive costs, you should NEVER have the motor on with anyone swimming around the back with either boat. Stern drives actually make better wakes than surf boats, with the motor trimmed up partially it steepens and cleans up the wake giving it an amazing wake for not having any weight in it, and when you do put weight in it, it still gives you more wake for the same amount of weight. The only advantage to v drives and direct drives is being able to safely surf behind it, and the teeny tiny wake with no weight in the boat for waterskiing. Also you have to consider the ability to be able to raise the prop up and down for shallower water and for getting it on a trailer.
You seem a little desperate to sell a mastercraft, tell the good people how well they reverse or handle shallow water, if you ever gets weeds wrapped around an IO its easy to cut away but with a V-drive you better have lungs like an oyster diver. My IO has a ladder on the side of a 2' swim platform and nobody has ever kicked the prop or leg. Desperation and BS wont sell boats to guys that do their homework bud.
Different applications need different solutions. We had a 30' Tollycraft Sport with V-drives and it worked extremely well. Stern drives (I/O) would have had the engines too far to the rear and the robust Warner Velvet Drive transmissions require much less maintenance and are much more reliable. Outboards are excellent options in a variety of hull types and, with direct injection, are very efficient. I/O's also have their place in many situations, but do seem to have more maintenance and reliability issues than v-drives or outboards.
Operates like an inboard - clean transom for fishing - shouldn't need trim tabs - better center of gravity - prefer straight inboard or outboard. Why not a vee drive jet? Only the water needs to reverse.
Volvo Penta has an awesome forward drive system that is the best of both worlds. Check it out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LRn8mzNZxTo.html
1st thing he talks about is bullshit. If u know boats u know to stay away from that area, and the planning, if you know how to put a boat on plain then theres no issue
V drives ride like crap,out drives can trim up for shallow water. V drives are hard to trailer and can’t be beached. If your a die hard wake boarder the v drive is for you.
Forgot to mention that an IO can go into really shallow water while the sticking fixed prop of a V-drive would make it aground. Directional control in low speed is a must and so does docking when you can steer the prop, specially in a single engine...
V drives are a pain in the ass to work on... plus when they went to out the boat on plane they never trimmed out the outdrive.... there a bunch of rookies when it comes to boating
If you buy a boat for strictly water sports yes the v dive is best. For other boat uses being able to trim the prob and steer in reverse are great abilities to have. There’s a boat for every person and they a designed accordingly.
This guy wants you to buy a much more expensive boat with more maintenance. Add a swim platform and an issue is fixed. Use your trim in an i/o to fix your plane.
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I have had all 3 and I agree with alot of what he said. Like some say shallow water can be a problem. My biggest problem with the inboard is it don't turn near as good when backing.
Dax Pennington you should never be in that depth of water in a big boat. Plus many inboards draft under 2 feet unlike I/o’s have the outdrive stuck way further down.
@@jimmygrant3212 You're very mistaken. I grew up on a 220,000 acre lake. Large lake, but has many shallow areas. A couple of sand bars serve as gathering spots. The boats equipped with an I/O, or an outboard, simply raise their props up and beach their hull on the sandbar. Then, they enjoy the festivities.
More of the boat in the water means less speed and higher fuel consumption. The flatter the under water profile the more the hull will slam in rough seas too. The outdrive also has the advantage of lifting in shallow water. Steering is better with a rudder and prop as an outdrive only steers efficiently when there is power from the prop. A rudder only needs water flow over it. Where it is disadvantaged is in mechanical efficiency and reliability over a conventional prop shaft. However the v-drive is not a conventional prop shaft as you have a drop box to position the shaft forward and below the engine. Safety can be increased on an outdrive leg with the addition of a prop guard cage. The sensible thing to do for ski boats is to ignore both these systems and fit a waterjet.
I'm an idiot from NJ who knows nothing about boating, beyond the minimum stereo amp wattage I'm willing to accept. I'll be "boatin' " in the Manasquan River which has a 6 ft. Tidal swing every 6 hours and contains an abundance of submerged piles, bodies, etc. So you're saying that inboard is the way to go regardless? (I'm assuming that the running hardware is cheap and easily replaced on-the-fly with little or no downtime.) Ya know, some chump once told me that the whole point of having an inboard (v-drive, if that makes you feel better) in dedicated tow boats was the placement of weight in the center of the vessel so as to produce the appropriate wake for skiing...🤷♂️ what a maroon !😂 On a serious note, if the sticker price of your 18 foot bow rider exceeds the gross domestic product of many third world nations, I feel like the consumer is entitled to know the facts. No matter how much of a gold chain wearing douch-nozzle he or she is. Aaaand....OFF THE SOAPBOX!
The difference? I/O's are for cruising, fishing, and casual watersports. V-drives (and direct drives) are for serious surfing, wakeboarding and skiing. Their disadvantages and higher cost are more than worth the tradeoffs if you're serious about tow sports and want to improve at same. They're boats designed and built for completely different purposes, and really shouldn't be compared at all. After you're skied behind a direct drive or boarded behind a V-drive, you'll never go back. If you're not serious about those sports, there's no absolutely reason to spend the extra money or put up with the hassles of an inboard boat.
I have just upgraded from a bravo 3 to a V drive, (fourwinns sl242 to a air nautique G23) both boats were 23 foot and I can honestly say the only advantage the I/O has is slow maneuvering, the V drives is a pig to reverse and turn when driving slowly but as soon as there's a bit of speed there is no comparison! The V drives kills it in every way, I can't believe it took me this long to change and now the servicing is nearly half the price aswell being no ugly leg to service on top of the engine
XCROSSYX great footage, thank you. I am thinking of moving from jet to V because of polluted river where the intake and exhaust gets clogged once in a while. What is your educated guess on this circumstances. Cheers
sure an I/O can be trimmed for better hole-shot, top speed and get you through really shallow water, an inboard though a narrower band width does within that band better than any i/o ever will. I've owned several dozen boats, most were inboards however the current unit is an I/O and I miss the inboards. And then there's the cost of running gear wreckage....... outdrive $5k - 8K, inboard maybe $1,500 if I wipe it all out(Shaft, prop, strut and rudder) replacement Bravo 3 is $7500. Big water I'll take a deep deadrise with twins, Lake water get what your wife likes and deal with it.
