Why VA Gaming Monitors Kinda Suck... 

Oh cool! You learn something everyday. Pretty disappointed, but still cool. 😃

Honest dude, i have a 144hz ips panel in my omen laptop 9th gen with an rtx 2060 6gb and it looks bob on

did he REALLY expect a real player would land in a galaxy which literally has trillions of planets in it? There is a good chance to meet one only in popular star systems

@@DawidDoesTechStuff dude, Euclid(first) galaxy alone has trillions of star systems and planets. If you want to meet real people in the game you should go to Space Anomaly or to some popular places. Community expeditions also include a lot of players at once, especially at the start. And about these landing pilots - you can buy very rare hazard protections from them, try trading with the next one.

Guess I'm just not that picky. been playing games on a console with an LCD panel for years. recently got an LG gn600 32" and was happy with that and never noticed it. I guess beggars can't be choosers. lol

A monitor that size is going to look shitty anyway. Terrible purchase. Buy monitors in that specific resolutions sweet spot for the best visual experience.(1080p is 24 in and 2k is 27 in)

@@bah0met1 and 4k is 32inch? :) Oh and shitty IS a matter of perspective :P I would like to point out that watching Dune on this monitor is like watching god giving birth in realtime, but I will admit that i am as of now seriously considering selling the monitor in favour of an IPS one but if the gains are nominal... I've heard great things about OLED as long as you're willing to risk the burn-in

buy a CRT tv or monitor. smearing is not even possible on those. of course you lose resolution..

​@dnegel and you also lose a massive amount of other things that are considered standard

"visual cholera"-☠☠☠

What monitor??

you can lower ur brightness super low with ips too

@@tankertanker3373 You can, and that's what I did on my old monitor, but the advantage of VA is that you can still see things very clearly because the contrast ratio is so high. The best way I can describe it is that things still look visible even during dark games and the monitor is on its lowest brightness setting. On IPS you could barely see anything when it would get that low.

For that you should've went with OLED then. TN is absolutely horrible tho lmao

@@sweetsurrender815 I wasn't in a place to afford any OLEDs on the market. I got a black friday deal on a VA monitor and jumped on it.

at that point though, just go to your local goodwill and pick up something random. If you're not gaming on it, what does it matter?

@@curvingfyre6810 colors and viewing angles

even at 120hz it should do much better

Ehh, it's not that dark transitions no longer smear, every pixel response is more or less equally slow at that lower refresh rate. I.E. they all smear 😆

Honestly most people can't see the difference anyways. Back when CRT monitors were a thing I required a high refreshrate monitor because I would get migraines without it, but I have been running 60hz on flat panels since they came to market, no problem. I can still own you all in CSGO.

Sadly, no, IPS panels wasn't improved in any other way than refresh rates, on the contrary - they are getting worse (in terms of IPS glow, bleed, contrast etc.)

What you talked about the IPS still happens. I have the LG 29WK600 ISP 75hz and playing games in dark environments such as Metro Exodus and GR Breakpoint makes everything look odd. Buuut I work a lot with black themes and I'm a little afraid that scrolling codes will look like pasta with the VA panel. I just bought one and I hope I don't regret it.

@@ThiagoMatuo How is the VA panel working out for you? I work with a lot of dark mode themes myself and I'm contemplating if it's ok to buy a VA panel.

@@colinpierre3441I have the LG ultra gear 24 inch IPS panel that everyone considers the best 24 inch monitor out there and a 27 inch LG ultragear VA panel that runs 1080 p and 120 fps on COD and I’m enjoying the VA panel a lot. They are just different! I don’t consider one better than the other. Both have pros and cons. For example, last week I played on the IPS and immediately missed the deep rich black tones on the VA panel. One thing I can say, LG has mastered the movement aspect of the VA panel. It plays nearly identical as far as smoothness in comparison to my IPS panel.

The new AW3423DWF costs $1000, it's a pricey investment but it's well worth it given you probably won't upgrade for several years to come.

Neko is adorable!! ^_^m

Lol... don't you get to see him every day?

I find it really wholesome that you always show your support by commenting on his videos!

Have you found any budget friendly small OLED yet?

😅 perso sa me dérange pas

De dónde sos? Yo probé un par de va y un par de ips. Ambos tienen sus pro y sus contra

@@Checo89 El Hoyo, Chubut.. sep, posta se llama así el pueblo. VA tiene sus ventajas (principalmente precio/htz) pero yo no juego shooters u otros multijugadores competitivos. No voy a estar corriendo Skyrim modeado a más de 70FPS, y ya estoy re acostumbrado a 30/60 así que me hace más diferencia pasar a mejor definición, más tamaño y mejores colores que gastar en refresh rate o velocidad de respuesta. Al fin y al cabo depende de para qué vayas a usar el monitor. En mi caso IPS simplemente aplica mejor al uso que yo le daría, pero si jugara shooters seguro compraría VA

@@amargasaurus5337 si... yo probé el gigabyte g32qc. La imagen es hermosa. Buenos colores y excelente contraste. Pero nunca había visto un ghosting y black smearing al nivel que tenía. Movía una ventana en el escritorio y se veía toda una estela detrás. Ahora tengo un lg 32gp850-b. Es perfecto en claridad de movimiento. Pero el poco contraste y el ips glow son una mierda. En este momento estoy probando una tv samsung qn90b y me sorprendió el poco ghosting que tiene. Pensé que iba a ser muy molesto

You can get VA panels with very little ghosting, don't discount them!

@@kristoffer3000 Any recommendations? Do consider that where I live we don't get many options. There are like less than five affordable monitors in each category, plus half of them don't even have reviews or were reviewed four years ago xD

Which monitor did you get?

I thought i was the only one with eye strain (and extreme headache) on ips

probably ill give it back, it really hurts my eyes. Who TF said IPS monitors more safe for eyes, with any brightness level it burns out my eyes

@@Talos202 I got a samsung T35F and really burns my eyes out, made me get blue light glasses

which one?

Did you use old monitor with VGA cabel?

​@@dessso4463 probably But my 2024 IPS panel has VGA still no issue

Thank you for the nice comment. Im glad you enjoy the videos. 😃

Good for games that have a nighttime/much shadow where you can see clearly, Then VA panels is the best??

Both are kinda compromises, but I'd personally consider the IPS to be less of one if I were in the market and only had the two choices. Hopefully more OLEDs come down the pipeline, they ace what either VA or IPS are already decent at and do better with everything else across the board too.

@@ALmaN11223344 Amoled in TV is bad idea, unlike phone who turn off the light frequently.

had a 24in IPS, but it broke, got a 32in VA from my relative for free, and I still can't really get use to it

What is your contrast ratio?

@@ALmaN11223344 OLED is compromise too, "burning in". Id rather deal with contrast and motion problems than with an image that is imprinted on my display.

wich model was the AOC one?

@@maelstrom7063all cheap gaming AOC monitors sucks

I just went from a TA xl2546k to trying an ASUS rog IPS panel and g7 VA panel at the same time and the IPS was definitely better for some contrast/colour stuff but the general effect of the VA and the much better lighting for dark areas really won me over. They all had positives (low input, good colour gamut spread, ‘HDR’) but the g7 was surprisingly good.

Whats the point? Im gonna just stick to TN until i can get a giant oled.

Got the G9 and I dont see any problems with the panel at all

@@Ay-xq7mj Oled is still sample and hold and the moving image won't look any better than the best TN. Right now the Samsung G7 1440p 240hz 27" has almost TN response with the great blacks, colour, greyscale and gamma with HDR that is good enough and beats any 1000nit FALD IPS with it's blooming, less nits yes but a better on average picture in HDR on dark vs light average.

yup I have one

Not at all, the blacks in no way compensate for the ghosting which makes the VA monitors completely unusable for most tasks The blacks themselves are nothing out of the ordinary and most HDR IPS displays match or exceed the blacks that VA offer IPS reigns supreme easy (until OLEDs become cheap and solve burn-in problems)

@@goochipoochie I think if you do any gaming, if you want VA you gotta go for the expensive VA monitors, otherwise they will have shit response time and have smearing and ghosting. But high end VA monitors have the same response time as IPS monitors sometimes even better than IPS.

@@goochipoochie what HDR IPS are you talking about? Only ones are $800 miniLeds, HDR 400 is laughable

@@keponen331hdr adds around 50ms latency, comp gamers do not use hdr for this reason. So HDR being the only reason to get an OLED is kinda stupid for a ton of people I’d rather get it for the blistering fast response times with no hdr unless I’m playing some single player game.

@@redditmanllegnisthebirdofh9887 how many of us are comp gamers? exactly

seems a CRT monitor or TV blows all these monitors away. specially with motion. something modern displays cant seem to match.

Mind listing the rtings response article? Thinking of picking up a dell s3222dgm which the rting review put just beneath the one you got in response time

It's possible to eliminate smearing on VA monitor. At least on my monitor there is an option called 'Shadow control'. It basically just lowers the contrast to IPS levels.

I use the 27 inch version of your monitor and they are so good, I used to notice smearing but I don't anymore

which monitor should I get? Samsung Odyssey G3 G32A (LS24AG320NUXEN) VA or ASUS Wide VG249Q1A Tuf Gaming IPS

IPS panel with bad ghosting only happens when dumb customers don't check the response time. If it has >2ms, obviously you will experience ghosting, which is normal. If you are buying a monitor for gaming purposes, you always want 2ms, it's probably not a gaming monitor, if it is, that's gonna be the worst design you want to stay away from.

@@yunsha9986 it isn't thay easy and simple tbh There are two types of pixel response time, GTG and MPRT In very basic language, GTG is like the thing gamers concern for, faster GTG = Better response time (should range from smw 3-5ms, be careful of brands achieving lower gtg by agressively backlight strobing and reverse ghosting everything) MPRT deals heavily with motion clarity (should range normally smw 1-2ms) So yeah, there u go It really isnt that easy lol And do correct me in places I'm wrong since im learning such stuffs recently too

It still is washed out... the contrast is still terrible. Like TN terrible.

@@yunsha9986 fun fact, most of the cheap "1ms" monitors are actually a gimmick. Some of them even goes up to 6ms.

@@yunsha9986 Good IPS panels don't usually comes with 5ms BTB and 1MS GTG?

Look at how slow he was moving in the example at the beginning lol The smearing is simply from turning

I recommend you to try ips it’s better in every aspect, its will be noticeable

It's crazy that so many TV's are using MVA or SVA or QLEDs, that are all VA panels, but with much less black smearing than these "gaming monitors" that they are selling.

The ips glow and bad contrast can be mostly eliminated with bias lighting. It is reducing the eye strain also.

​@@ExQRx "Mostly" eliminated isn't good enough. I returned my IPS monitor for a refund as soon as I determined that I couldn't eliminate the terrible golden glow on the left side of the screen. Crazy that monitors sold in 2022 are inferior to a monitor I've owned since 2014 and how people simply accept this glaring fault in the product. It was an LG Ultragear monitor, perhaps LG is particularly bad, I don't know. Definitely not wasting my time with an IPS panel again.

@@UltraredM I'd be glad to buy a budget OLED monitor for 500-600$, but it doesn't exist. When choosing between VA for this price and IPS, all VA panels for this price were so terrible with black smearing that I consider them unusable. And there is no way to fix it, you have to live with it (or with inverse ghosting on high overdrive settings which is even worse). With bias lighting all glow that I have on ips is absolutely not visible. It is a matter of getting the right brightness of bias light. So in this unfortunate situation where you have to deal with shit budget products there are some compromises that have to be made...

@@ExQRx where The hell did you buy a oled monitor for 600 please tell The name

​@@UltraredMlol lg is shit. I almost buying them until I read so many review on horrible glow. But I end up buying another ips screen with no backlight bleed and lower price than lg.

A 60 Hz ips panel, LOL there are high refresh rate IPS panels, they're great

​@@UmVtCg I know but good IPS panels used to be way more expensive than VA Panels. Prices seem to go down though so my next Display might be IPS or OLED

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They're definitely the best of VA panels, but they're still measurably worse than the mediocre IPS panels in a number of ways. If you were gonna spend G9 money I'd rather burn it than nab a G9 over a QD-OLED and if you only had G7 money I still don't think it offers anything better than IPS competitors in the same price range.

@@ALmaN11223344 I agree. A QD-OLED is way better then VA and IPS, but this video is specifically about VA panels. I also wouldnt want the G9, but that is because it is too massive and expensive for my taste. But since I have been using the G7 for a couple of years I really love the VA panel type. Recently tested an Apple Studio Display, and although it is a sexy screen, the actual quality of the IPS display was sort of a let down compared to my G7, because of the much lower contrast on these old IPS panels. In the Liquid HDR video on YouYube, the G7 gave way better black levels, and therefore percieved better more saturated colours. Only downside for me, is the curve, and the ugly black plastic/rgb finish, but that is of course a matter of taste. My next monitor will probably be the Samsung M8 as it has the looks and the deep blacks, and rich colours I like.

Well, you aren't doing it correctly. You have to pause the screen and zoom in 3X. lol

OLED kills everything for image quality and response time. I love with my LGC1, puts every monitor or TV I've ever had to shame.

I could never go back to an IPS screen. The damn blooming killed me.

Oled is the next step. I’m excited for more oled gaming monitors to come on to the market. 😃

i got an IPS after using a VA and uh yeah its not as good of an upgrade as i thought.

I am getting a 32GN600-B in the mail soon :D Will try your tipps !

I am thinking about buying LG 32GN650-B, any experiences so far?

@@geeker9545 I can share about the 32GN600. Nice Panel ! Gets plenty bright.(I have it at 55%) The space between plastik and screen seems very small. This together with the coating looks really nice. Free Sync work great. Only issues is with dark smearing. This is very very game dependant. I noticed it the most in Minecraft with the glowing red of redstone. That smears a lot. But other than that ? Been playing Overwatch, Insrugency, Civilization. And its been great. Dont use HDR though.

@@ianspy1 Thank you for your feedback! I saw 32GN600 too, but I need some robust stand + I already have LG 32GP850 as my main monitor (I am not using HDR) and I would like to go for 3 flat screen monitors set (perhaps 2x LG 32GN650-B for sites) with more adjustable options. I am also playing Overwatch, other games are Final Fantasy XIV and AAA titules like Death Stranding, CP2077 (FF XVI and Diablo IV in the future) etc. and I would like to try some racing games with this setup too! What's concerning me is that black smearing which is present in almost all VA panels so I am trying to do some research about monitors before buying. I am wondering if you could send me some video (email can be found in my YT channel info), maybe just a few seconds of fast-paced shooter like Overwatch 2 would be great since I do not think there will be much of difference between panels of these two types. But I am not sure if you have a time for some OBS recording... But I would be definitely glad that I have some additional information for my decisioning directly from person who is using it daily and Overwatch is a plus!

@@geeker9545 I can try recording my screen with my phone and uploading that too youtube. I can also try to make a slow mo video of the redstone example, since that is the most noticable one.

Yop i agree either

I must agree. My old 1080 IPS was great. I upgraded to a 1440p 144 HZ monitor and I feel duped. Next monitor WILL be IPS if OLED is prohibitively expensive.

OLED burns, so i always choose non-OLED.

I had 2 ips monitors and 2 va monitors. I prefer va simply for the good contrast it provides at a relatively low pricepoint compared to ips. we dont talk about tn though.

The low contrast and IPS glow is hardly less disgusting than VAs black smearing. A flat Odyssey G7 with fast VA tech would be good enough. OLED is perfect but can burn in. It’s really choose your poison.

I'm getting an AOC moniter too soon, va panel, is yours still holding up n doing good?

@@AintThatSwell Yea, still enjoying it. Still going great

I just ordered a Odyssey g7 32 screen... I hope its not bad I'm a lil worried after watching this

Thanks for the info brother! I am checking some IPS monitor to replace my VA one.

I like to watch TV series on my screen not only gaming, that's why I chose a VA panel all the way.

same, barely notice the smearing compared to when I got my monitors towards the start of the year

What is the brand of your va monitor?

you have the odyssey?

Colors are not amazing on VA at all. Put it near an IPS and u gonna see.

Funny that you mention OLED. I have a Galaxy S22U, which has an OLED screen. When Dawid mentioned the smearing happening with darker scenes, and specifically the rendering of RU-vid on dark mode, it immediately made me think of my phone. That exact issue happens on my phone. If there's ever a high contrast color moving on the screen, it will smear just like that.

@@Dorraj Same thing with Galaxy s9, but it happens only on low brightness.

@@Dorraj happens on every oled phone at low brightness

@@Dorraj it happens on my A50 only at low brightness.

@@Dorraj My samsung odyssey+ AMOLED panel VR glasses also have this at night in skyrim and VTOL VR. Black smear.

Keep dreaming OLED is insanely expensive to produce in small sizes, we will never see a cheap OLED monitors, not unless new tech will come up. Which would kill off LCD completely

@@kigasdj2 why is it though? I've seen many cheap OLED micro displays, like 2 inches or smth, Nintendo Switch has an OLED version that's not crazy expensive.

I tried all those settings and unfortunately it just couldn’t get the smearing to a point where it worked for me. I’m glad to hear the monitor works well for you though. 😃

Yes. I maybe biased but I will choose my VA panel any day. Just because of the color.

@@user-tn6tb2qh8d Think about how many companies can produce 24 inch oled monitors? I only know 2 companies, Samsung and LG, they barely produce any as it is expensive and yields are not great, Samsung produce millions of 6 inchers for phones and Switch because they mastered technology on this size, when we move to 24 inch or above you facing entirely different problems and no company yet masteried 24 or above inch sizes production in cheap and huge quantities. So yeah we are many years away from cheap oled monitors something drastically has to happen to make them cheap.

Yeah I mention it in the end of the video. I’ve heard the G7 is awesome. 😃 I’m glad you are enjoying your monitor.

If you have scanlines at 240hz return it, it is a defect of the panel so you shouldn't have to stick with something broken that has a warranty, at least in EU you don't. That being said, the G8 is great in Doom Eternal and probably any shooter because its curve is somehow better and trashes my PG279Q from Asus in every aspect, and I guess the same goes for the G7. The G8 is one of the best monitor in the market unfortunately it has a lot of issues that pop-up over time if you are unlucky but that is due to QC from Samsung

I have almost the same setup. I have 4 monitors but for sake of conversation we'll ignore the top one. My center display is OLED and outside 2 panels are VA. I did a lot of color tuning to try to match when i use all 3 panels to play a game. It's crazy how much difference the OLED to VA panels are. Edit: All of my panels are 32" curved, center 1800R outside panels 1500R.

@@IamJoeTV Yeah the color matching was tough. I used a Spider pro and Displaycal to calibrate all 3 of my monitors individually, which isn't completely perfect, but its very close. My center monitor is flat, but my both of my flanking monitors are 1500R. Works out pretty nice.

Wait, a VA panel having better viewing angle than an IPS?

@@MirelRC Yeah i misspoke there. My VA monitors do seem to have pretty good viewing angles as far as VA goes and they’re curved so in my particular case and setup they do look better than some flat IPS would, but thats specific to me. On the flip side my IPS monitor’s blacks and grays look better than my VA panels’ after calibration in most things. Go figure.

@@Gandalf721 Its not brightness, they’re all set to 120cd/m. The actual blacks are good, but there’s a more pixelated affect around them on videos and such.

It is an amazing monitor

Yah, it's an amazing va monitor. Still doesn't compare to the best ips monitors for motion clarity

It's also in a completely different priceclass than the g3 (2.5x more expensive where I live)

Yeah HUB's talked about this in the past, VA and IPS are very comparable at the high end with newer and more expensive panels, but show their stereotypical downsides in older/cheaper panels.

@@ironeleven the g7 doesn't have an old cheap panel. And it only competes with ips displays that are a few years old. Va is good for movies and web scrolling, that's pretty much it

Oh yeah! That predator x34 is an amazing monitor. 😃

Going to be a long time, but micoLED is going to be amazing

I just switched from a monitor with a similar panel (PG348Q) to the new QD-OLED from alienware and it's equally as drastic a jump, if not greater.

I don't think they sell TN panels on monitors in the western world anymore.

You can solve this in most cases with the CRU program by creating a profile that limits the freesync range values to 80-144 so that the fps does not drop below that and the LFC is not activated.

Scam^^^

is VA for competitive games ? because i have the choice between a 165hz tn or 240hzVA

Then you lose the benefit of VA technology. At this point, buy a IPS monitor.

Their Q27G3XMN just got a really good review from Rtings as well. It's also mini LED.

That’s awesome. Enjoy your new monitor. 👍

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Thanks! I'm getting a Dell S3422dWG ultra wide. I'll let you know how it goes.

same imo. for a $450 monitor my s3422dwg really really good. i want an AW3423DW, but for 3x the amount i cant see it being 3x better...

But...they aren't really cheaper at all...

The picture quality of an IPS is good as overall, the only but is the black. If you're gonna encounter too much black yeah the image is gonna be washed out, but if you have colored images then you'll see how good color volume is on IPS.

IPS has best color reproduction from all panels, not sure what you mean washed out, VA and TN panels all look washed out. There is only 2 usuable panels IPS and OLED :)

Newer OLEDs don't really burn in anymore. Why do people keep saying this? The first runs of LG's OLED panels were the only ones susceptible to bad burn in, and even then, it had to have static images on screen for months.

@@x8jason8x I wonder how it does the new Evo panel. On C1, the burns can get in few months runing 12 hours a day in Store Mode but on TV cable on news and sports channels. I mention Store mode because it will get maximum brightnes + that ugly dynamic image mode, no eco etc. The only things being on is pixel shifting.

@@MirelRC I couldn't say for the Evo panel, but on my C1, I've had it on for the majority of 18 months and change, no burn in. I turn it off once in a while for pixel refresh anyway.

@Slywerk ig it depends on what you're playing

I've only been using IPS and I tried my friends VA one time and hated it. Looked terrible compared to mine

@@Zatchillac IPS has generally worse picture quality than VA though. Depends on each model, however.

is VA for competitive games ? because i have the choice between a 165hz tn or 240hzVA ?

is VA for competitive games ? because i have the choice between a 165hz tn or 240hzVA ?

U can find a cheaper ips panel now at 150 dollar 1080p and 165hertz too

I completely agree. It is very subjective. Some people really don’t seem to notice that kind of thing. It’s a complete deal breaker for me though.

Unfortunately because most people who buy them just don't really know anything better. I've personally only used VA panels for budget reasons.

No monitor comes with upscaling, you can enable upscaling in your graphics drivers though

The problem with David does tech stuff is that he is using old type of VA's while new VA like g7 has close to none black smearing. Beating out my 4k lg ips in color and clarity due to the deep contrast.

@@diocub4022 Yeah true, the new VA is amazing. He should try those out and maybe look into it a bit more before making a whole video out of it...

Oled ftw

How about smsaring while scrolling down and up while typing with while fonts on black backgrounds? It is not the gaming or watching movies but how does it perform for productivity? Are there noticable drawbacks while typing or working on photo editing?

@@koray6261 Im very happy with my VA panel. Ive had no issues while typing, gaming or watching videos. Never done photo editing on it though so idk about that.