I left the city for the Scottish Highlands and lived beside a beautiful loch for 9 years. The locals could not afford to buy properties and the beautiful houses were only occupied for a few weeks each year. I rented to help the economy. I too have to say I resented the summer visitors. I wanted the peaceful lifestyle all year. Best wishes from Scotland .
It's baffling how this countryside-peope/city-people opposition is almost totally absent in Italy, mainly because here we are both city-people and countryside-people at the same time. Many of the people that work a day job in a big/medium city go back to their old town in the countryside after the shift ends. And the towns that don't allow a daily commuting to a bigger city are all dyng, with their populations reduced to a handful of old people. For these towns gentrification is the only alternative to death.
@@arx3516 this is exactly the reason that Italy's dying towns have begun to implement programs that offer homes for ridiculously low prices. There are obviously catches, I've heard all sorts of interesting ones but the one that is difficult would be the ones that insist you live there for 10 yr minimum. Switzerland and even some areas of Canada are doing the same thing.
@@arx3516not sure how long the drive is in Italy to the country side, but I’m in Canada and just drove 7 hours last month from the city to visit my boyfriend on his new property in a remote area. I considered flying but it was $75 of gas or $750 plane ticket and then I have no car in the middle of nowhere…
I live in a densely populated part of Scotland just on the edge of the highlands. So wishing I had the money to move somewhere in rural highlands, especially near water. unfortunately I don’t have the money or energy for that. So I’m very jealous lol. Hello from south of you ❤
The fact that someone said Toby dog was a trained killer was laughable and sums up how crazy the whole outside debate can sometimes be. Also, old guy forget that his ancestors were not native to land that we call Vermont today, so I don't understand why he is trying to infringe on your right to move and lived where every you want.
Because many old white men believe that they created America, not comprehending that the USA did not exist before 1776 and many, many people called it home for 20 thousand years before people with white skin showed up.
I agree. Also, they didn't realize that it only made Toby sound cooler. I would reply: he's only trained to kill trespassers, so it's actualy a patriotic dog.
I’m a native vermonter born and raised and I’m a huge fan of your channel and love the fact that your here and doing what you do! Those old guys are all just mad bc they used to getting their own way and you stood up to them!
It's everywhere. My mother was a Newfoundlander (Canada). I grew up in upstate New York and ended up living in Newfoundland for 20 + years. I was considered a mainlander until I left. They are friendly and welcoming to people as long as you don't move there.
What a Crock of shit. My sister and her family set up on the point. We have never once been treated as anything other then family. Hell last summer I got handed beer EVERY single day, and a bag of weed twice. By people I have never even met. Idk what you did to not be accepted, probably being uptight about cocaine or you had to much money. But they are not like that as a people.
Oh WOW; yes, absolutely to this! Newfoundlanders are great if you're 'a visitor' or if THEY move off the Island, but if you move there... I am from New Brunswick; we moved to NFLD when I was 8, stayed 3 years and that was too long for me. We were never accepted because we were "Mainlanders". I got beat up for it. Wonderful to visit, to tour, but unless you're from there, don't live there.
I am gonna take a minute to tell my relatable story. We came from southwest FL, Fort Myers to be exact. I had wanted to move to TN for years and finally got my wife on board after covid, and she finally opened up to my homestead dream. We started our home search in East TN and lost out on offers on 13 houses to cash buyers. We finally found a house, and were so burnt out we made an offer, sight unseen. We ended up purchasing our home in middle TN, a small town called Hilham filled with hollers and hills near Dale Hollow Lake. Everything started out great. While the house was smaller than we wanted, everything checked out and we loved the land. The guy we bought it from owned the home next door, and the 100 acres surrounding us. We started off friendly and we met his family and he would hunt the land around us. No problems at first. We were definitely outsiders though, and our intentions were pure. So we started getting more and more animals, chickens, ducks, turkeys. We eventually wanted pigs(which we got) and to raise a steer each year for food on our 2 acres. So, we decided we were going to fence OUR property and pasture. Well this is when things went bad. Fencing our property cut off a driveway he had to his home next door(there was no legal easment, he had no right to it)which we had let him use anyway. Well once the fence went up the problems started. During all this, he had rented his house next door out to an older woman he was friends with. He had started using her as a poking stick to push us out. She took me to court over my chickens going into her yard. She went outside on 2 occasions and shot at my chickens while my kids were outside playing(not directly in there direction). We would get into screaming matches, it was a night mare. There is so much more to the story. But after i called the cops on her for shooting at my birds, and the cop turned it around on me and made me the bad guy i knew something was really going on. Well come to find out, the sherriff was high school friends with this guy. We were literally in one of those small town horror films where everyone turns against the main characters...it was CRAZY. We eventually sold for a PROFIT THANK THE LORD. and we moved an hour south to Cookeville. It just sucks because we let someone else ruin our homestead dream. Now we are stuck renting and the market is so INSANE we can't afford anything else. Unless its a crappy double wide on 2 acres for 400k! I feel your pain!
@@nametag4277 Nope, and he wasn't even there full time. He used that house next door as his "hunting cabin" until he rented it out to the psycho. It had its own dedicated driveway. In fact, it was OUR actualy driveway. It just peeled off to the right towards that house. It was between the two houses.
We would be better policed by the military who need to leave their state for training. It requires the humanization of those they do not know. The Standford Prison Experiment was not a fluke. Checks and oversight MUST be in place or all of us suffer for it. Your story was moving and the police aspect just reminded me of a solution to that issue. Thank you for typing it all out!
This makes me think my hometown in Sweden. When my parents moved they came from Stockholm. The locals wasn't happy. They didn't like outsiders. After 30 years we help the community, we have become stars in the community.
Crazy to me how folks who claim to be red blooded Americans can treat their fellow citizens like outsiders whether it’s rural on city folks or city on rural folks. Be good to each other, God loves you and we’re all Americans and different.
THIS resonated with me a lot, and I've seen this here in mid-appalachia (Ohio/West Virginia)- especially when they were scouting for locations for Hillbilly Elegy. Rural places can be idyllic, but they need to be respected as places that people actually live- not a real life oil painting that doesn't exist when visitors leave.
We moved to a small town in Wisconsin and we were treated like outsiders the entire time we lived there. Everyone who lived there had lived there all their lives and we just didn't fit the bill.
@@pcarnold9 Sheboygan is not a small town lol I'm referring to Viola WI (300ish people) I've lived in other parts of Wisconsin since I was 18 but that was my first experience of a "small town"
I live in a small town, but it's also a college town, so people of all walks are the norm. It was a weird realization that such intermingled diversity is not the norm 😅
Love this! I really appreciate the thoughtful conversations, and the two different perspectives. I've been in VT for 44 yrs, originally came as a student at UVM, and I saw much of the issues that students and out-of-staters can bring. I went to the School of Agriculture, so I really appreciate the states working farms, and everything that comes with them (like opening the window in Spring and knowing the farmer around the corner is "spreading" his fields). The pandemic has put a lot of stress on our VT communities with the influx of people moving here. Many can financially afford to pay cash for homes, and pay much more than locals. There's a huge increase in second homes which helped to create a housing crisis. I especially loved how Alfred stressed the importance of participating in your community...... I'm originally for a part of PA that was mostly farms, but due to the area's proximity to NYC, the area has been "discovered" by New Yorkers. They built their Mac Mansions and then complained about the farm noise and smells, and systematically changed the zoning (the noise and smells where only some of their complaints). With the the increase price of land and zoning changes, most of the farms are gone. The area now looks like the generic suburban place they originally moved from.... I hope VT can find that balance between welcoming new residence, and the new comers appreciating what VT already has to offer (and what makes it special) while adding new ideas...... My advice to people moving to VT; appreciate VT for what it is, don't turn it into where you left.
I grew up in Boston area and I couldn't understand why some of the smaller NE states disliked us. Then I moved out West when I graduated from college, 30 years ago, and I saw first-hand how California invaded the smaller Western states. That really helped me understand Maine, VT, and NH being so territorial.
That's still no excuse, though. How do they think their families got to Vermont? Their ancestors also migrated there at some point in history, most likely from one of the great port cities like New York or Boston. Back in the beginning, the "real Vermonters" spoke Wôbanakiak, Atikamekw or Mohican.
California is the state that people from everywhere else move to. This "California Invasion" narrative that people love to spread is beyond ridiculous.
You're either an American citizen or you're not. You can't "invade" a country you were born a citizen of. That mentality is a huge part in why things got to be the way they currently are. Yuri Bezmenov talked about this in 1985 when he defected. A lot of it had to do with pitting citizens against citizens like this. That was meant to persist for decades and clearly it has.
@@VektrumSimulacrum That is true, but really, humans are just tribal. Distrust of outsiders is a normal reaction in places that don’t have outsider exposure. City dwellers suppress that tribalistic tendency, to a point, but you still see it in well established neighborhoods within a city. It can express as blatant racism, but it is basically survivalist instinct. My grands were all in NYC, lower east side, then in Astoria, in Queens. They ranted about the Puerto Ricans “invading” and were really closed minded and quietly hostile (vs overtly challenging.) It was interesting to observe from afar. My Ukrainian grands who were 2nd generation Americans and their Ukrainian community so quickly forgetting how it was to be the shunned immigrants.
@@BrokenCurtainAren’t we supposed to respect cultures in areas we move into? This idea that Vermonters hate outsiders is such a strawman…Vermonters dont hate outsiders. They only dislike the ones who come in and act like they know better than the backwards country bumpkins. I think its more likely that outsiders hate poor generational Vermonters because they believe they stole the land from native american tribes. Its this idea that they somehow deserve to be squeezed into oblivion for what their ancestors did.
I moved to the NEK four years ago, and I was warned that folks would react negatively because I'm a flatlander. People haven't gone out of their way to welcome me, but I haven't experienced any harassment. Now I'm on the local planning commission, and the NEK born n' raised folks on that commission tell me that they are happy to have me because I try to fit in and I seek to truly make this place my home. They have a problem with people they call "carpetbaggers", folks who ignore the local culture and are trying to make this town just like where they came from. Some move up here and don't even register to vote.
well I tried to fit in - to volunteer - to enjoy hunters on my property - to take some lemonade out to a farmer haying - but I am still getting HATE and called a flatlander - even though I grew up in mountain higher than these damn hills - my locals are the most cold, hateful, closed off idiots I have ever run across and my father was in the military - I've lived in many states and thu Vermont is one of the loveliest in natural beauty - the locals are like villains out of an 80s A-Team episode
They don't have to register to vote. Nor do they have to live by the local culture. A persons influence ends at their property line, they do not get a say. They can be upset, who cares, let them rot in their judgmental misery.
@@anarchostatist191 Did I say they were trying to take anything, BUD?! No, I didn't. I said someone moving somewhere doesn't have to listen to the existing locals in any capacity. If you reply again, you'd better reply to what I actually said.
That quote stuck with me too. At first I almost took it to be him objecting to being objectified by outsiders as just some caricature of rural Vermont, but then I realized it's a much more practical (and thus more Vermont IMO) rationale. He doesn't care about outsider expectations of him, he just needs them to not interject their expectations and leave him to do what he needs to do to live a productive life in his home.
Hello from northern Germany. For me, this video is easily one of the very best I’ve seen from you so far. I really loved the conversations and most of what was said, I can apply to my own experiences. Communication is once again the key and nothing works without respect. Liebe Grüße
My parents moved to Vermont from New Jersey in the 80s. We went native and didn't try to New Jersey-up Vermont politically. That's the ticket to acceptance.
My husband and I moved to Italy 6 years ago, where he was originally from. He and his sister were sole heirs to many acres of land, and the house that we occupied.. He passed away a year ago, and his family basically cheated me out of his share of the inheritance. They knew how to cheat through their crooked lawyers and notaries and surveyors… and yes they are thick like thieves. And I was told by more than a few Italians that ,because I was an outsider, they would never let me get anything. The culture there is very clannish, and suspicious and jealous even of each other. This is human nature, unfortunately…people basically suck. It’s a territorial thing lots of times.
They are pathetic, fragile and emotional people. Don't assign to human nature what can be assigned to assholes and morons, it's insulting to those of us that aren't like these 'people'.
As a US citizen that grew up in Mexico I am reminded once in a while that I should go back to Mexico; this phrase usually comes out when I disagree with their view or criticize an aspect of our country or our culture. I think the argument of "outsider go back where you came from" is a last ditch effort of trying to win an argument that they have lost. I would say, it is the last argument of ignorance!
Yes, agree! As an Australian, with many decades of immigrants from many other countries, these arguments 'Go back to where you came from' are commonly heard. There was even a tv program made so that Australians (all of whom were originally 'immigrants' in contrast to the original First Australians) could actually go to other countries from where some of our later immigrants travelled and experience why they needed to migrate.
According to George Washing, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and the many other founding fathers, you're not an American nor can you ever be. How do you get around that?
I grew up in the suburbs, got married and moved to my husband's hometown in rural Illinois. It's been 37 years and I still "Ain't From Around Here," in this town. Folks don't want new people or businesses, but complain when the old ones shut down. 🤷♀️
Loved the video! I recently moved to a small town in Indiana (less than 1600 people) from a larger suburban outside of Chicago. I must've been lucky and had the completely opposite experience. The town welcomed us with open arms and have been so helpfully with everything we needed. People out here will help you out without you even asking for the help.
I have moved into a small Portuguese community in rural, conservative, olive-farming Portugal. Even with a significant language barrier, I have been nothing but included by neighbors, locals and shop-owners. I made some effort to make friends, and participate with them ( especially during harvest times) and support their causes. I feel completely at home, more so than anywhere else I have lived previously. Best decision I have ever made!
As a native Hawaiian of a small town on the Big Island Hawaii, growing up watching our small town turn into a suburb and watching tourists take over and outsiders move in it hurts. Things just are not the same anymore and the very thing that brings people here is eroding away and disappearing. Ways of how our community worked no longer applies. So I understand the “ hatred” for outsiders.
Same ur not the only one, who understand the hatred for outsiders. I am a Taiwanese/Chinese born Canadian who once lived in BC Richmond for nearly my whole life since i was born, which is about 25+ years and living in Canada was great. I moved out because of family troubles and the economy. My family, cousins and I adapted to the culture there by learning english and respected the people who just lives there. Richmond was once a Town that is transitioning to somewhat a city. At first we had no problems with Tourist, immigrants etc etc. Lately there is SPECIFIC type of immigrants/Tourist, who we and the community started to hate. They are the mainland Chinese immigrants/Tourist because they bought up the house and they barely ever use it, which jack up the Housing prices. Then some mainland Chinese immigrant on a youtube video dare say she is bringing positive benefit to the economy, but what they brought was inflation to living expenses. They are also disrespecting a lot of etiquette and laws we had there. LOTS of Car crashes was result of mainland Chinese people are stuck with their old habits in China where they dont give a F how they drive. They dont even try to learn to speak English.
seems this is happening everywhere - so there is a fundamental Flaw in the System - not Hawaii - or rural Vermont - something is wrong when people THINK they need 2 homes 4 cars and an outfit for every single day of the month .... it is a sickness - so let's not just talk about things - but vote the old foggies of both parties out - the old folks created this - so we don't need to listen to them on how to fix it ... they want more of the same
@@DarkXessZyeah, part of me is like they should be renting them on the cheap with a 6 or 9 month rental agreement if they aren't owner occupied and are only doing it to have financial ties. Particularly if they are doing it to lots of buildings. Either in your country or outside it. (Exclusions for extended family members living they though.) And it's also good because occupied building don't get trashed, and you don't find out until a year later.
I usually don't agree with this. If you really didn't want tourism in your town or cities than you wouldn't of opened up that mcdonalds or that hotel and so on. You all are the reason your town is full of a bunch of people. There's plenty of town that will push this away.
@@XliquidDream001X tourism isn't the problem as I said. Entitled tourist are. If you are a guest or outsider, act like one instead of think they own the place. Everywhere has different culture, etiquette and rules, people have to follow. If you don't, well it's his problem that he gets hated by the community. Certain people give every tourist a bad rep. Of course, there are some unreasonable stuff like Morgan experienced, which isnt really Morgan's fault. Morgan and the hound hunters just dont see eye to eye.
Great to hear the Alfred story…you two are greater friends. Your life in Vermont improves the areas nearest you because of your supportive selves as human beings.
No matter where you go, you will be considered outsider and likely looked down upon. It's just easier to blend in with the vast population of a big city. On the other hand, city folk do have that holier-than-thou vibe when they move to countryside, often trying to turn the place they moved to, into a place they came from.
We moved to East Texas 2.5 years ago and our neighbors received us with open arms. We met them all the first day we spent here and they have been lovely even though they are all life long locals. I think it helped that we made it clear we were going to live the rural small homestead life.
I loved Alfred's description of of the importance of mutual aid rather than a capitalist transaction for every need. Mutual aid within a community is vital to maintaining community health.
I always appreciate thoughtful respectful conversations between people who may not necessarily have the same views on a topic, but seek to find answers to topics people talk about.
We moved from the city to the country in Florida. My husband is a native Floridian...so no issues with outsider nonsense. But the one thing I've noticed in a lot of rural communities is that people move there because they want the 'country life' but once they move there, they don't want to hear/see/smell their neighbors livestock animals. They fight to have the rules changed to reflect what they want rather than what the community needs. Basically bringing the city to the country. Sometimes they win and ruin the community. Or family farms are inherited and not wanted, sold to developers (OMG...developers can ruin an area faster than anything!) and suddenly there's a 2000 home development going in. I like what Alfred said...be respectful of the community that's already there and don't try to change it just because.
Well done for speaking out Morgan, its when a person stays quiet is the one who gets bullied the most. I bet you will be the one who changes the hunting laws and private properties, you will go down in history, kudos to you ❤❤❤
My family has been in VT since before it was a state, but I originally grew up in CT. So when I moved to Southern VT I was more than a little amused by the xenophobia. Whenever people would give me a hard time about being an “outsider”, I’d point out that my family helped found the town they lived in.
Same thing for me, the amusement when I name off my Vermont ancestors from the 1700s, towns they founded, where there are cemeteries full of them, and still standing structures of theirs, then the stories from the revolution. The grumpy old men forget the original intent of Freedom & Unity
This is like a person moving to Ireland because "their great great great grandpa's cousin's dog was Irish" And trying to pretend they're a local. No one cares about your ethnicity.
As I watched further in, I can relate to what you all are saying and feeling. I live in what used to be 20 yrs ago, a small farming community in California. I live in Lodi in the heart of the San Joaquin Valley. We grow everything in this very fertil rich valley. Though I have watched people moving up from the cities buying up the houses, causing the house and rental prices to skyrocket. When I first moved here 20 yrs ago, the people were so friendly that you knew most of the people living here and they were very helpful to each other. I want to say that within the last few years, I've watched whole Vinyards and orchards be ripped up and sold off to build houses. Houses that a Nirmal middle-class person just can't afford. It breaks my heart to watch our small town just disappear to corporate greed. So yeah, I can totally understand. Though it's not just a Vermont thing. As I said, I'm in California, and it's happening here as well. I just want to know where all these people are coming from. If what the news says is true and people are moving out of California in droves, where are all the people coming from to buy all these $450,000. to millon dollar homes.
They are coming from LA, San Francisco, NYC, Chicago and every other cesspool city across this country that they've successfully voted to destroy. Sad part is as soon as they settle in other places they try to change them into the very septic tanks they created and left behind.
I'm from California raised in San Fernando valley spent most of my life in the LA area. I had to move to another state in 2012. I'm getting older and living on social security can't afford the rent or buy a house there. It is heart breaking to have to leave everything I know. Would like to go back some day my son and granddaughter live there, but don't know if I will be able to afford it. Luckily my daughter lives with me now she is going to nursing school. She will be going back to LA in about 3 years she can make more money as a nurse there then were we live now. I think people are able to express how they feel about it more so it's more noticeable then before because of the internet. California daring my great grandmother's time was nothing but a real small town maybe similar to Vermont. My husband is from vegas he talks about when he was a kid how small it was. His grandparents were farmer's in Vegas, now it is a big city. Change is always going to come even though we don't like it sometimes.
We are not wealthy we are finally taking a trip to Vermont and it is our first family trip ever. We feel very fortunate and look forward to our trip this summer ❤ take care all
I’m from Australia and I think these are common problems. I’m really glad to see that you included discussion about the native people. When I hear people here complain about immigrants and “not speaking the language”, not fitting in, wanting to change “our” culture I often wonder if they give 5 seconds to think what it might have been like for any of the native peoples, not just in Australia, when the British, French, Spanish or other Europeans arrived.
The entire disliking "outsiders" is entirely based in fear and emotional irrationality. You're asking a reasonable question that requires them to think when they really aren't capable of doing so.
As a Mainer, who sees this "flatlander" situation as well; the entitlement of "people from away". Working in Emergency Management, a male from away called to threaten to sue because he had been without power for more than 48 hours because where he was from, this is unacceptable to be without power this long. ....it's Maine ....we're on the 3rd day of massive storm - there are people trapped in their homes because of trees on powerlines ....do you own a generator or did you call the rental shops to see if they have one - this excited him until he was told no, we will not be paying for him to rent a generator. Then, when asking if he had asking if anyone in the house had a medical condition that requires power for durable medical equipment, he was so offended. 🤦🏼♀️
but he is loud fool - I moved here and within a month had my power out for 4 days due to the first snow storm - I wasn't even unpacked - I dragged the couch to the woodstove room - and read books and just had FUN .... I got animals - so I have the noise and the smell - and still I am lonelier than I ever have been - and yes - I volunteered on planning commission and at the library - I mentored 2 kids - I used to buy locally ---- and I am still shunned because painted with the same brush as that idiot you mentioned.
I have always taught my children to leave a person place or thing better than they found them. If everybody would adopt that mantra, there would be no problems with tourists visiting and wrecking places or ruining the atmosphere or the lifestyle of the locals. Everyone would just get along and be kind and living.
When I hear people complain about towns getting bigger and property values/prices going up, I think "Isn't that everywhere, though?" Like literally everywhere, property values are going up over time because there's already as much property as there's ever gonna be, there's no more to be made. Not at the same rate everywhere, obviously, but I believe the trend line is upward across the board.
@@E.lectricityNorth Okay, ya got me. Some new land pokes above the waves. Some of it sinks back into the sea. I'm sure you're not insinuating it's enough new creation on human time-scales to counteract the increase in property values in populated areas.
It is, but Northern New England is skyrocketing. House prices have pretty much doubled in the past 3 years. Nobody young can afford to live in the region anymore and it's reflected by our demographics becoming older and older. Then it's only exacerbated by all these people who treat the place like a playground coming to our town meetings to block every new construction and infrastructure project. And despite what you claim, there's still plenty of states in the U.S. with affordable housing. It's just that those are "icky, boring, hick flyover" states that these transplants wouldn't dream of moving to.
@@anarchostatist191 yes there are still affordable places- and the prices are going up there too. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I don't know that there is a single place (in the USA) where it's now cheaper to live than it was 10 years ago.
@@wezul "I don't know that there is a single place where it's now cheaper to live than it was 10 years ago" They are absolutely not rising all the same amount all across the country. If you think house prices in someplace like the midwest (where you can still buy single family housing inside a city for 100K) are "just as bad" as the rest of the country that's simply not true at all. Places like that specifically don't experience the rising prices like we do because the transplant retirees think it looks icky and has too many hicks. Then they'll go on to talk about how some farmer living in his barn with a collapsed roof is the type of "New England charm" they love to support, and then block any new construction so no one else can build. Take your "10 year" sentence and replace it with 1 year, then make a new one each Christmas, and that's been New England since 2000. There are other places that have experience it as bad as New England, but those places are also going to shit.
I thought that guy was a bit of a nutcase, but maybe that was just his RU-vid character persona, but he spoke very well and got his point across quite clearly.
Distrust of outsiders is best defined as evolutionary baggage. At one point in our species' journey it was beneficial to be wary of outsiders. Our fight or flight instincts are rooted in these same survival instincts. Fight and risk losing essential members of your group, or flee and lose valuable territory and resources. The backlash from the locals that you've experienced is just how we modern chimps establish what we consider a threat. When I say "we" I mean that as a species, not one particular group.
@Elger77 Thank you, but, no. I'm far from an academic. I hold no degrees. I don't think I'm intelligent, I'm just curious. Been this way since childhood and after 50 years I get little "AH HA" moments. I think that racism is also rooted in that point in our evolution. Thank you again for the compliment though.
As someone born and raised in Vermont, the people who tend to look down on "Flatlanders" are older, less educated, and probably huge fans of a certain former president. Most Vermonters, although not equipped with that "Southern charm," are open and kind. You're a Vermonter now, and you've done more to represent the state than those haters. Keep it up!
I was born in Burlington, but grew up in New Haven. My uncle invited me to move back and be with family. At every job interview I was asked if I ski, and what hospital I was born in. My uncle who had masters degree in education explained to me that those two questions got me disqualified even at IBM as they showed I was not a native. Some of the characters I met at UVM were totally nuts. In one instance a recent graduate with a degree in social work exploded in my face after she asked why I looked so down. I explained that I had just learned over in Winooski that a man was exploiting young boys for sex and paying them off with drugs and the police could do nothing till a parent complained, if they did at all. Her explanation - there was noting wrong being done, he had not hurt them. Several people natives and non-natives told me the usual life cycle of the inhabitants was a couple would marry shortly after high school, have kids, get board, have an affair. One day a politician walked into a small coffee shop where we were eating. The politician had to introduce himself as the governor as most did not recognize him. The owner could not stir himself to come out of the kitchen. In another instance I rear-ended a kid from the university. This was witnessed by a cop. He came over and asked for the usual paper work. I showed him my Vermont motorcycle license which showed a local address, not a dormitory. The kid I hit grew up a few miles from where I did in CT. Any way the cop was compassionate and let the kid I hit off with a warning.
This is true all over. Moved to central Oregon in 91 from California, a more rural area outside LA. Bend OR changed while I was there for 25 years and changed even more dramatically for the people who lived there all their lives. The influx of Californians made their blood boil. Plus it a resort town. Visitors playing while you are working did stink but what a beautiful area.
Every rural area hates when a bunch of out of town is move in and change stuff that goes for Burlington that goes for Virginia. That goes for Florida that goes for Texas. Nobody likes it when new people show up and try to change stuff. Vermont is not a special case.
I live in the large university and college based city. Where we have over 40k people move to the city from out of the county and even the country. And it effects us who lives here pretty badly. Renters and Real Estate prey on these people and jack up a room or apartment prices where we need 3 jobs or more. Cause it's outsiders who pay top price for 80yo houses and expect almost 3k/month plus extras. And the economy makes it worse. A single bedroom is $1100+ for an apartment, even a bachelor's apartment is like that. Even a single bedroom is $700/800+ for 4 months for students only. So they can increase the prices every time someone moves out. I seriously needed to find a place with my sister and her 5 person family, therefore 7 people in 1 house, and it's a struggle some days. I, a single mom, won't be able to afford daycare for my baby when I get off maternity leave to work a full-time job, plus pay for rent and food, and my vehicle to get to work. Even when I was a student, I saw what the incoming students did to our city. The increase of people, the increase of shopping, the increase of prices.
Really interesting topic, and reminded me a lot of my hometown in cottage country. The cottagers had a reputation like the tourists described here, rolling in with fancy boats and seadoos and occasionally trying to change the bylaws. The mutual resentment could boil over sometimes. One day the grocery store was really busy because the cottagers had rolled in for may long weekend. While in line for the cash, a cottager suggested that maybe the grocery store should be open for cottagers only during times that are known to be busy. The local woman in front of her turned around and just decked her in the face. It was quite a scene. However, I worked in a marina as a teenager and learned how generous and welcoming many cottagers were if you just had a good conversation or two. People love it when you show genuine interest in them. Offer to help them load up their boat, and next thing you know they're offering you a ride on that fancy seadoo. I've been small town hopping for the past 20 years, and have never felt like an outsider. I am not sure exactly why, but Alfred's commentary about chipping in provides some insight. You don't even have to be as skilled as Alfred, just shovel an elderly neighbour's driveway, or offer to board a dog while someone's away and presto, you're on the inside. It also helps if you have a cute, friendly dog to start up conversations.
I live in central Connecticut. My niece is a freshman at Champlaign College. We don't see many tourists here but do have of people moving in from elsewhere. The area has changed out of all recognition in some ways in the last 40 years. Local shops gave way to regional chains and then to national behemoths. My town used to have a bowling alley, small stores, a movie theater etc. Now the center of town is all apartment monstrosities (most locals loathe) and medical offices. Lots of medical offices. I totally understand local Vermonters wanting to protect the way things are. The pharmacies are two massive chains instead of locally owned. Gotta say, Vermont is looking better and better.
I really appreciated this insight into Alfred and his personality and character... The man has layers to him I had yet to see in any of his too-infrequent appearances on the channel. It's interesting how the challenges and problems of an ever-changing world seem magnified or at least far more evident in a small town or rural community than in a much larger city. Many of the same problems exist in larger cities but the sheer size and population makes them harder to spot, I think.
Really appreciated jonny recognizing that trans people are being used as political distractions and scapegoats, when really we just wanna live our lives like anyone else. That really warmed my heart today
@@JonnyWanzerSo too can the Democrat one. In fact all of politics can be now days. Just one end of the world crisis after another... Politics is a cancer on our society.
Nothing special same place as blacks, jews, women, the whole victimhood totempole. Entire western civilization is basically coopted by elitists and communists. Even violence is coopted now it can only be gov approved not even union busters are allowed. (Even if they were bad themselves)
I love that you got both the rural & urban/suburban perspectives. Lots of good points, talking about how people have no respect/home training to leave things as you found em. Too true. Alfred gets it tho, most NC locals are suspicious but bc anyone can get in a bad spot & good people, recognize that theyll be the first to help ya if it's needed. Education on respect comes in all forms but leading by example over online wind pissin, is more effective. 'Ya gotta look out, fer the cook out'.👏🏼 In my experience, it takes about 10 to 20 years for people to see you as more than a 'transplant' & respect what you're trying to do. Planning to be guest speaker on starting a homestead for long term sustainability for our local scouts, and honestly... its the first tine we've been invited to participate in community activities in 25+yrs.
In the town of Coati California, there were chickens loose in the streets. They were loved by the locals. People moved there and complained about roosters crowing. I think they've all been removed now. I'm tempted to buy the flightisest, hardest to catch chickens and release them there. If you don't like roosters crowing, don't move to where there are chickens.
Most people in Vermont just follow the golden rule. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Not all tourists, but there are some, visit Vermont and act entitled and are just rude. It's surprising how many people treat Vermont like Disneyland.
Vermonter born and raised here. Love your channel. Don't worry Morgan, most Vermonters can't stand those old fogeys stuck in the early 1900s. Unfortunately most town meetings are full of their type. And you might be a flathead from MD, but you're a truer Vermonter than most. The love and care you show your animals, your land, and even your neighbors exceeds that of the average Vermonter.
JUST FOUND THIS CHANNEL AND SUBSCRIBED (better late than never!) September 12, 2024 Franklin County for 35 years and now I'm in Newport in a Hobbit House. I LOVE VERMONT IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY but, more importantly, I RESPECT it. Love 'n optimism, Heather McKeown
My wife and I are from Massachusetts and bought a chunk of land in the North East Kingdom, (Concord). We cannot wait to get out of Mass. it was the layed back small sleepy town, the beauty of rural Vermont, the raw land, vast woods that drew us to choose that spot. We won’t even have our land logged. We want it left exactly the way it is. We look forward to being part of the community and helping in any way we can to keep it just the way it is!
Living in a small college town myself, our student population is 30% of the total. I see many similarities. Unfortunately so much of the thinking has to do with distorted perceptions rather than reality. Our town would not exist without the income and industries created due to the University - the largest employer in the area. Additionally the presence of skilled transplants has increased the number of resources and services available to all who live in the community.
Whenever you think "genrification" and "cost of living going up", don't think about people moving in to the area, but about "investors" profiting off of that demand. That's the American dream.
Morgan your buddy Alfred looked taller than I've noticed in recent videos. As he continued to speak about helping others he became even taller. You have a good friend there and a wonderful human being. You probably have figured this all out way before my comment. Thank you for sharing love every video you make.
What if the community members spent less time villifying all newcomers and showed real neighborly welcoming by mentoring and leading by example those attributes they want Vermonters to have?
Your asking fearful conservatives to stop othering. They won't. It's foundational to the conservative mindset, if they don't other and have someone to compare themselves as better than to feel good about themselves, they'll fall apart.
I attended Middlebury College in Vermont in '93-'97. Kind and nice people. Got to know the cleaning staff and got invited to their homes for barbeques. Good times.
I think it's the same everywhere. I was born in UK and when I was 4 we moved to a village where some families had lived there for centuries. I could never ever work out just how one was related to another and how!. We were certainly outsiders. I have lived in South Africa now for nearly 50 years. Much better weather!
Lol! Sounds and feels familiar. Sometimes i think the folks who stay in their community are stable, pluggers who work through the ups and downs of life, focused on maintaining their roots. Other times I see them as non adventurous, deeply frightened of change, fearful of loss of control.
Morgan, this was your best yet! Growing up, did you ever dream you’d become an award winning/earning writer, content creator, producer, editor, interviewer, narrator, and patient uploaded? All while developing critical animal husbandry skills and perfecting those early childhood goals of "gets along with/works well with others"? This was truly a civics lesson for all current generations. Also, got to say that Molly's input was terrific for a first timer! From NH, Patricia 👵🏻 🤗
Great topic! I lived in a small rural town in Central PA for college and then for 2-3 years after the fact. The experience was so different as a "local" and it was weird to see how many locals blamed the college kids for all the problems ironically, very few of cared about town that much besides what new store was coming, what new restaurant etc. What's interesting is how much work my college did to really build a positive relationship with the town and community including sponsoring a farmers market, hosting arts festivals with local vendors and more. I mean it's a must as campus was integrated into downtown. What was strange is that if i mentioned i went to college there, I was shunned. The moment i said i lived in town and choose to live there, the perception completely changed. I currently reside in a suburban town with a medium sized college and its amazing how much of the culture is for profit...esp in regards to rents. Our town has really restricted access to rental properties except for a few places and it creates a bizarre divide between locals and the college kids. However, i get it b/c you don't want to destroy the culture of a nice family friendly suburb. I get both sides. *sigh*
What he's explaining is exactly the same thing that's happening in Puerto Rico. Wealthy foreigners coming in and making things difficult for us locals, raising rent and house prices to ridiculous levels and generally just gentrifying neighborhoods.
@SoundwaveSinus9 LOL that you know of - because the ultra right are all shouting bullies - so who would bother to even try to befriends someone bellowing and turning red in the face ..... I'm liberal in social policies - conservative in fiscal matters, and very much for everyone owning a gun who wants one and understands the tool and has the mental capacity to use it safely. Locking people in labels really does you, your neighbors and any chance of building a good future a disservice.
I need to get our young economic development people to listen to this podcast, Lessons to be learned here. Rural American no matter which state you live in is somewhat similar. Love these comments. I've lived my adult life in rural Nebraska. I love it. Moved here when I was 23. I'm 59. I have been routinely called a CARPETBAGGER by people whose family have owned land here for 100 years. I understand this video. Prior to moving here I lived in Brooklyn and Queens NY, before it became gentrified. Parents moved us to a tiny town in Connecticut for high school. I live in a small college town where the real estate has always been wonky. Even in 1988 townspeople were upset at 250 a month rent for a one bedroom apartment. People like me were 'ruining' their town. That same apartment in the same house now with almost no upgrades is $1200 a month. My house? I struggled to buy it 20 years ago. I wish I could find a place to go and I'd sell it tomorrow for triple the price.
I think this is the sentiment from anyone, anywhere. I live in CA which, by contrast, has very little community on the whole and even I get a wee bit angry when the out of state plates start showing up and clogging up the freeways and roadways around my small city during the summer. The cost of homes pushing out locals is a common theme everywhere these days. I couldn’t rebuy my current home which is really sad for my kids as they become home buyers themselves. This video could have been talking about literally any town/city/state; although bear hunting isn’t really a thing here so VT had CA beat on that one lol. Good video!
This has been quite thought provoking and i really enjoyed it. Thanks for this! 💖 Also, I have to say, the Molly Murder Mittens commercial for the Toby Dog book is fantastic!
We know there is going to be a huge food shortage very, very soon. I believe this is why people are moving out of the cities. We chose to move from the city to a small farm in southern Mississippi last year. We grew up country and came back to our roots. We, too, are delving into farm activities, and we both work remotely, so it is a win, win situation. We are almost 80% self sufficient (solar being put in next week). We currently have meat rabbits, chickens, a young orchard, and a veggie garden. Next year we will be delving into pigs and bees. In two years, we hope to raise a small herd of sheep. Our goal is to feed ourselves and our animals all from our property. I did have a bad experience moving to a small town in Michigan a long time ago - as an outsider. I’m so glad I left - I’m very happy and WARM!!! Keep up the great work - and don’t let those crotchety old men get you down. They are just jealous of your success!!!
That hostility between "privileged" college communities and put-upon locals has deep roots. In the 13th and 14th centuries, Oxford's university members enjoyed special privileges granted by the crown. This infuriated locals and led to several violent incidents. In 1209, locals lynched two Oxford students, which led some faculty to leave and found Cambridge. The 1355 St. Scholastica Day riot, which began with a tavern brawl, killed 30 locals and 60 university members. Until 1825, Oxford's mayor had to lead the city in an annual a march of penance for the 1355 riot.
i'm from the upper peninsula of michigan. it's very rural. born and raised a yooper. we've always hated outsiders. (if you weren't born and raised in the u.p., then stay out). in the last 30 years, it's not nearly as bad as it was when i was a kid. about everything that you guys have mentioned really resonated with me as to why yoopers never liked outsiders. outsiders will change our way of life, "it's been like this forever", we like our way of life, the woods, hunting, etc. i live in marquette. the biggest town in the U.P. In the last 30 years, the property prices have skyrocketed and there are a lot of people who buy property/"cabins" who don't live in the U.P. year round, which irritates a lot of locals. i'm glad that the town that i live in is more progressive then the rest of the U.P., but i still like the small town feel of the area. marquette is also a college town, which helps out a lot with the town's personality.
A little historical perspective from around 50 years ago. I was a kid in Derby Line and then out in the country nearer to Derby, Vermont. My parents were originally New Yorkers but had moved all over the states and it was the early to mid 1960's, so long before gentrification became an issue. They experienced that whole outsider discrimination thing as did my older sisters who were in their early teens. I arrived at age three and fortunately was oblivious. We lived there 7 years. I do remember that Vermonters were crazy proud of their insularity. Some people would brag that they had never been out of state. Some could brag they had never left their home county or ever even been to Burlington (State capitol). Remember Vermont is NOT a large state so that was different than any where else my family had ever lived. A story my parents claimed was in the obituaries but may have been more a local legend told the story of an amazing woman who died in her 80's. It told all about her life and her impact on her town and her numerous descendants, so very complimentary but at the very end it said something like - she arrived in Vermont, a babe in her mother's arms, although not a native we loved her well. This summed up the local attitude that you were an outsider no matter how hard you tried unless you were born in the state, preferably to multigenerational Vermont parents.
We moved here from Ct. also…about 40 years ago. My first exposure with a native could not have been better! He was my neighbor and very willing to help us out in any way…I have met a few like Butch though…In fact I know Butch. They will say. “ my cat lays in that woodpile all damn day…and ain’t turned into a piece of wood yet”. That explains it all!! Whatever relationship you have with Butch is all you will ever have….don’t waste a minute trying to change that.
This whole podcast resonated with me, a resident of San Francisco for 55 years now, and some people still consider me a 'transplant.' San Francisco has always been a city drawing newcomers, and it's remade itself many times over. I find the folks who are most drawn into the "doom loop" of the City's demise to be the muti-generation residents, (many of whom fled to the far flung suburbs, BTW) with the newer arrivals seeing future possibilities instead of some rarefied Leave it to Beaver fifties myth.
We don't hate outsiders but people don't like change, the older you are the more attached you become to how things have always been. Vermont has been dealing with a youth drain for a long long time, anyone who has been living here for their whole lives knows full well we need people to move to our state or we're in serious trouble. The lashing out is just because they want you to conform to how we do things. They don't want you to bring your culture or ways of thinking, just leave that all behind and become one of us. Thankfully that's a fairly small portion of our population that thinks that way, but damn are they loud and obnoxious.
Morgan, The instinct to protect our "territory" goes deep in all people and critters. It's certainly not just in Vermont. I am a 76 year old native of my home state and 30+ years ago we bought our dream cabin in that state. I live here full time but to this day vacation folks who discovered this slice of woodland paradise decades before me cannot bring themselves to be civil despite my best efforts to be neighborly. Sadly too many feel threatened by any change or "late "comers and even tourists who may boost the economy of an area are often disparaged. Alas tis human nature.
37 years living in Puerto Rico and still I am often seen as the "gringo" - when in fact I'm now more puertorican in my life, thinking, mannerisms, even accent, etc. than most local born. That said, Puertoricans are the most welcoming people in the world (sure there are always the outliers like in any place) and I love living here. Unfortunately I will eventually have to move to the mainland as assisted living communities sort of suck here... That will be a hard day.
If you want an example of the gentrification he's talking about just look at the truckee/ tahoe area of California. It has gone through the same exact thing but in a sped up fashion. In just under four years a room went from 300-500 a month to 800-1000 a month, a studio went from 650-950 a month to 1500-1600 a month.
It’s a human instinct to want to feel superior to others. It’s an instinct that some people make no effort to overcome. This is just one manifestation of that dynamic.
It's not to feel superior. It's a protection nature. As to know a wolf from a lamb. Or as many on the West Coast Californias move from their political problems and taxes then create the same they left. It's to prevent,to protect clansy some call it. All groups have this behavior. How far it goes depends on the attitude of what right.
@@sswwooppee wow your are one sided driven. Helping others is the best gift you can give to others and yourself. My street and driveway and sometimes the first floor use to flood also my neighbors places The road was meant to drain the water to the river. They did place drains on the street. Besides the owner of about 2 blocks put his leaves curbside on the road and some of the neighbors doing the same made it flood. Every year about 3 to 4 times in fall and winter I would do 4 to 6 city blocks ( following the flow and clogged drains). All the time people just watching. Some making fun of me. I also mowed and cleared a ramp and sidewalk walk for two places 1 was a business with elderly workers ,the other was a lady with her husband in a wheelchair. Why did I do this. Because it was needed. I too over the years had someone that had helped me. Sad that too many people are the me me ,💵 selfish networking clients only club. But thank you for expressing your case.
@JonnyWanzer It's nice to see this side of you. You are extremely articulate, thoughtful and intelligent. Your channel does clearly convey this between-the-lines, But this interview makes it very much more clear. You should definitely incorporate more of this side of you into your channel and add segments that exhibit this into vids every once in a while. @Morgan, thanks for makin this vid! I have friends in Burlington and am there often, and thus a strong connection, love it there :)
@@JonnyWanzer yea i hear ya, its what you feel the most connection with that drives you. Your current content will pull in people your age. But i mean this in all seriousness. You are wise beyond your years if you dont already realize this. I think @Morgan def. picked up on this, and is why he interviewed you. he's def. no dummy :) . A broader range of people will be able to connect with your content if they can relate to your intelligence and not brush you off since they cant relate to the humor of your generation. Im (a young) 50, and bc i saw you talk w/ Morgan, you caught more of my interest and respect since i saw how articulate you are beyond you current channel. Maybe slip in some commentary other gen's can relate to. They may not make you go viral, but will certainly build concrete connections and respect that are lasting. Specifically in the community, as well as youtube. I'm no social media expert, but Morgans vid showed me a different side of you and an understanding of Burlington that i am socially curious about since visiting so many times.
Thank you for this video. We bought a home 2020 in Vermont. It is our vacation home we are there for the summer. We are very careful to buy at our local stores when there. I love Vermont and I try to respect everyone we meet.
