Why Was Patrick Mahomes NOT The #1 Draft Pick? 

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And Rodgers and brees

2 teams dumped Jim Plunkett.

Your welcome for are 1st.

In over 100 years of NFL football, you can only come up with 2 names?🤣😂🤣

I'd say it worked out well with us too tho we got tre white later and Allen with there first pick the next year

@@jayB733 Ya worked out real great. Bills get those 2 guys and chiefs get 2 superbowls championships / the best player in the league

You never knew that because... you weren't old enough to care about the 2017 draft?

@@CharlieRogers50 i just didnt follow the draft that close back then. I didnt use to watch college football so i had no idea who anyone was and the picks were irrelevant to me. But now i watch it all

3 superbowls now :)@@logisticalnonsense

I'm sure you remember the shootout between Mahomes and Baker Mayfield in 2016. 125 points, What a game! I'm from OKC, lifetime Chiefs fan.

Gotta agree with your take Brendan!

Alex Smith was great for us. He raised the floor of the whole organization. Mahomes is raising the ceiling.

@@TheRealcdawg22 I always said Alex wasn't the problem. He obviously didn't have the arm talent or the ability to improvise Mahomes has, but he had the ability to throw down the field more than they allowed him to. Andy was stuck in that ultra conservative mindset with draws and screens. I think the "game manager" persona was more about the coaching and play calling than Alex's ability as a qb. I think Grbac got more heat in the 90's than he deserved, too. That was Marty ball. Of course, handing the ball to Priest Holmes is a good idea, but Elvis took the blame when the Chiefs couldn't get it done.

That context is absolutely relevant; thank you for contributing that point!

@Honkerh8r Being a great quarterback takes more than just arm talent. I think Patrick learned all those other things sitting behind a true pro. What further endears Patrick Mahomes to me is that he still credits his development to his time with Alex Smith.

Funny fact about us humans, males in particular. Multitasking doesn't come naturally to us until somewhere around our 23rd birthday. Until then, the voices screaming in our heads that "you're about to get sacked, _MOVE_ dammit" is too powerful to ignore no matter what any coach says, & while he was put into a game in 2017, Mahomes was born in September '95 & likely that mind-body connection clicked into place & he was ready. Peyton Manning is an excellent example of this. While not yet 23, around the mid-way point of his rookie year he simply starts playing like the HOF QB we know even though nothing outside changed. A lot of the bad habits Justin Fields has shown are likely a combo of this & the terrible o-line the Bears have. Zach Wilson literally mentally returns to the friendly memories of the combine. More NFL coaches need to be aware of this. Going in before this change takes place can really ruin a QB. I think this has a _LOT_ to do with Sam Darnold's play because he returns to the Bad Habits people build up in their heads when overwhelmed. So NFL games keep repeating the same pressures that caused those habits to form, & even he isn't aware of what he's doing but does it.

Excellent point!

He probably wouldn't be as good or as exciting without Andy Reid. The unorthodox style with pat belongs with the unorthodox plays of Andy.

​@@christian6911 You guys are idiots,. Name the QB or Coach that developed Marino..unless ur saying Dan is Waaaay more talented to not need developing....You Can't Coach Talent.

That could ALSO be said about TB12, who backed Drew Bledsoe in New England, and Aaron Rodgers, who sat 3 YEARS behind Brett Favre @ Green Bay! Seems to be a formula; like Steve Young sitting behind Joe Montana? Patrick is good company! It's not a new thing, at all. Credit those GMs and coaching staff! Mahomes is off to the fastest start of them all, coming into year 6.

@@tracyjohnson3394 He's now coming into year 8. Year 7 as the starting QB.

Tough.

Bills*

You said it right! They are #1 for that reason.

Facts

What people don’t realize is that PM went to the right place. Reid always has a great coaching staff. He probably changes a coach once in a while. That’s due because he lets them take other job opportunities if they want. Patrick is talented. But any QB in the right coaching situation will prosper. Look at the jets. That’s my team by the way. Coaching staff has never been our virtue. Rex was great. Now Saleh. Our owner is an impatient man. Even if had drafted Patrick, Josh,Lamar that would mean nothing. Reid is a QB 🧙‍♀️. Just keeping it real. Easy to speak after. But PM and coach Reid Marriage made in heaven. Working for them.

FACTS IDC IDC

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Because in the Big 12 they don't play defense. He didn't play against the top defenses of the SEC or Big 10.

He was also very raw mechanically and made poor decisions which plunged his stock.

He wasn’t a #1 overall talent at Tech. He was great, but so is everyone picked high. His development is unmatched sure, but to say you were shocked he didn’t go #1 just means you’re dumb. There were better at the time prospects in the draft above him. Myles Garrett went first, and even tho mahomes better cause of success, you can’t say Myles Garrett shouldn’t have been taken there cause he’s been a stud too

He didn’t throw a ton of picks in college. His int % was actually quite low. That’s why it never made any sense when they called him a gunslinger. It’s like the scouts & talking heads saw his he played & assumed he threw a lot of picks, but no one actually checked the stats to make sure🤣 That was the kind of mindset that allowed the Chiefs to jump up & get him at 10.

Niners also passed up Cooper Cupp and Christian McCaffrey.

He played the last regular game against Denver when he was a rookie with the second unit and brought them back to a win in the last minutes.

Correct, John Ross is in KC.

Totally!! There was huge favor bestowed on Pat for those teams passing on him.

The browns picked Baker that draft with the #1 pick. Which baker won the heisman so it wasn’t absurd to take him at 1.

@@JordanT3025 Baker was drafted the following year in 2018. This was 2017

@@kjhgfdsd76654 your right I thought it was the same draft they took Garrett in 2017.

Myles Garrett has developed into a future hall of famer as a defensive end. Not absurd to take the player least likely to be a bust with the first pick.

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Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @Michael D

You must be a 49ers fan? We appreciate that context!

I'm not mad we skipped on Mahomes. Sure it sucks missed out on a player of that caliber. But at that time the niners were near bottom of the league. Mahomes would have been thrusted to start right away instead of sitting behind Alex for a year. Who knows if he would be as good without Reid. I'm just glad the niners are a good team even without picking mahomes

The bengals are easily a top 3 team tho…

Agreed.

Yep, they will made him to throw the ball "the right way" or force him to be a "system qb" like a machine. We would not see any of the PM magic.

@@pazu8728 lmfao tf u talking abt mahomes has thrown the same way since college

@Pazu - You have a point!

@@pazu8728 I see your point. Other staffs would’ve probably tried to “coach” what makes him unique out of him. These guys tend to fear what they don’t understand/can’t completely control.

@@trentlee6823 Yeah: but look at what the Cardinals are stupidly doing with Kyler Murray. Taking someone unconventional & forcing him to study plays designed for conventional QBs. There are *tons* of egotistical P_and_ inept coaches at the NFL level who are just there to boost their own egos by pushing people around, not working _with_ their players. Josh McDaniels, John Gruden, John "I would rather lose games than call effective passing plays" Harbaugh... cripes we even saw Matt Lafleur basically flip off Aaron Rodgers then stare uncomprehendingly down the field where the dimes Rodgers threw were dropped because Lafleur simply kept trying to will *"his* plays" into success. Bellichick with Mac Jones, literally hiring Matt Patricia to slow Jones progress because he was exceeding what Bill _wanted him_ to do. There are a _lot_ of coaches who would have tried to change Mahomes just to have something they could claim as theirs.

His team didn’t win in college due to their terrible defense, and hardly any support on the offensive side.

Travis himself said it can be pronounced either way.

@jennifer aceste AFTER he said the correct pronunciation is "kels". He was trying to be nice.

@@dog-thebackwardgod He also talked about his Dad getting calls asking for Ed Kelc-e. I am uniquely familiar with the issue as my last name ends with an e also & people often assume the e is silent which it's not, in my case. Short A-c-short e-st-long e.

Damn, I was just trying to pay thr guy a compliment. I'll stfu

@@dog-thebackwardgod Not tryna be mean, doG. Just giving u some perspective that may not have occurred to u is all. #HBTC

Agreed.

Mahomes sat his rookie year behind Alex Smith. Chiefs were a final eight team with Alex Smith while Mahomes was being developed.

Couldn't agree more. Facts.

It works both ways. Look at the Patriots now. You need a unique talent to be great. Coaches don't play.

@@ninomorales7845 yes of course but belichick is a defensive minded hc Tom was always having the temper tantrums with the offence playcallers not Belichick Reid on the other hand is an offensive genius, just look at the plays he and Bieniemy wrote to mahomes and the offense in the superbowl and other games aswell I'd say atleast 40% of Mahomes success is because he landed with the chiefs and Andy Reid He was quite a rough prospect and got to the perfect team Sorry for the long post

Maybe I’m too optimistic, but something tells me he would’ve be about as successful in Chicago as he is now. Best predictor would be that the same guy who is his OC now was the Bears head coach then.

Exactly. If _Shanahan_ was his HC, we'd see 25 TDs at best from Mahomes. No one seems to realize this yet, but 1) Shanahan has a losing record in games not started by Jimmy Garoppolo, & 2) He *_still coaches football_* like he thinks it's hockey: as if his team can't both play defense if they continue playing offense. He *always* shuts down all offensive effort in the second half. It's consistent. So *part* of the magic at least is the (unintentionally?) weaker defense in KC.

That pairing would've been something special too.

Good point!

Agreed except there are a few teams that he could have done well with.

Thank you for sharing Ed. You should watch our $1m vs $50 million QB video on our channel.

I like it. Thank you for your take Glenn.

This year Mahomes single handedly led his team to the SB. He had a lot of help his first two. Andy Reid deserves half the credit as well. Not sure why you’re bothered with an older video.

Not sure if that was a rock or a compliment towards the bolts, but that made me laugh.

Thanks for sharing your perspective, I don’t have a strong baseball background.

Good for you admitting it

If u listened to his appearance on the New Heights podcast, he pretty much drafted himself to the Chiefs.

YES

We messed up.