Realknightgamer42, almost the same quotes as « Oversimplified history » Axis memeber is like a vilainous gang asking: Hola Spain, wanna join our club? You are welcome in! -Spain is like the guy who can ot make its mind despite encouragement, then Japan rings the bell and ask to join
@@Kai-rust Only because American allies were losing their colonies. Maybe they support the ROC in war, but the Chinese Exclusion act was still in place, they didn't care. The Japanese started 2 years earlier than the Germans, yet afterwards the Japanese emperor still got to keep his place on the throne.
Why didn't spain join the axis. Its simple really they had went through a civil war and had no time to recover. Even if you were on the wining side a country can only take on so much war.
@jeremy Lyons true but it bite Germany in ass in the end. If i was part of Hitler war counsel i would advise him to wait a year or two to prepare for Operation Barbarossa.
@Matt Ellis Same thing happens to me when trying to speak english, when I try to actually pronounce things correctly I get the feeling that I'm sounding very pedantic but I've seen a lot of history youtubers talking about topics relating to Spain or latin america and they seem to not care at all about at least trying to pronounce things correctly. Like, bro, write that shit on google translator, hear how it sounds and try to imitate it, you're doing an "educational" video.
@Matt Ellis .... pay no bother to the glances.... anyone taking the time to learn another language foreign to their own is an intelligent, motivated, and respectful individual.... most people admire when someone takes the effort to learn their language... keep up your progress!
True, and while he mentions Spain having Colonies in Africa (the main economical source of European potencies ant that time); the truth is they had recently lost heir very last ones in the uprising of Moroco... so no way to fastly recover, either.
@@susannamargo6933 The Division Azul was only composed by volunteers, and at the end most costs where covered by the germans. The second group of divisioners went even against the law.
No no es tan así es más que acabábamos de salir de una guerra civil que devastó España junto a su ejército y economía por lo que no podíamos meternos en una guerra sin todavía haber acabado otra
Spain in the19th - 20th century: 1808: French invasion 1830: Loss of most American colonies. 1833-1890: Lots of ineffective governments with 3 civil wars 1898:Loss of Cuba and Philippines. The country is totally depressed and angry. 1920-1926: Rif war. Spanish army struggles to win and shows its weakness. 1923-1930: Dictatorship by Primo de Rivera 1931-1936: 2nd spanish republic 1936-1939: Civil War We had lost most of our influence in the course of 130 years and we were broken by wars and ineffective goverments. Basically, joining ww2 would've made Spain explode again.
You said loss of Cuba and the Philippines. No mention of Guam and Puerto Rico. Especially, Puerto Rico which unlike Cuba or the Philippines had no active rebellion to push Spain out. They were even an integral overseas province of Spain when it was handed over to the US. After the loss of all those islands, Spain became even more of a backwater until modern times. But Spanish politics seems to be the same. It takes Spain forever at times to create a government because of the need to form political coalitions since almost always none of the many political parties have a majority.
National Spirit: Recovering from civil war Edit: i didnt expect anyone to understand the reference but i was playing HOI4 as Germany by the time this video went online, so i just needed to coment
"They will NOT accept We need at least one more positive than negative reason for acceptance. We currently have: -196 Base Reluctance: -20 Nationalist Spain has strategic reasons to be friendly to the German Reich: +4 Spanish opinion of the German Reich: +20 Recovering from Civil War: -200"
@@i3lackfusion The french wanted to get to Paris first, so they asked the nearest free french unit to go in, which was the 2eme division blindee, who then sent in its recon brigade (a bunch of halftracks and infantry) that no one noticing was made up fully of republican spanish (except the commanding officer Dronne who was french). They later escorted deGaulle when he entered Paris (and you can see the spanish names on the half-tracks in photos and old videos).
@@i3lackfusion La novena división o División Leclerc la nueve fue la que entro en parís y con tanques que sobrevivieron a la guerra civil española ademas de con anticuadas bayonetas, los franceses ocultaron esto e incluso cambiaron los nombres de los tanques para adjudicarse el merito, no obstante al final reconocieron la valentía de esas tropas y reciben homenajes a la nueve todos los años, se pueden ver vídeos de la historia que cuentan los que lucharon en ese momento, pero es mas triste que en españa apenas se conozca esta historia y aun tengamos muchas calles en memoria de la división azul que lucho por el nazismo y ninguna de la nueve que lucho por lo que hoy conocemos.
@@shadowrex1968 Tio de verdad que yo creo que la republica que hubo en su tiempo no era para nada un estado organizado ni productivo. Más bien cada uno intentaba organizarlo a su royo y todo salía mal. Que es normal, porque no había nada antes, todo era desde cero. Pero aún así no puedes decir que esa época fuera mejor que la que hay ahora, y mucho menos la mejor de la historia de España.
@@ignacioescudero6083 déjalo será un chavalito de 12 años que sus padres siguen con el rencor de la guerra y bueno, tristemente le han inculcado esos valores, seguramente le preguntes cuales y la cantidad de presidentes que tuvo la republica en un corto periodo de tiempo y no te sabrá decir ni el primero.
@@kingstarscream320 what??? Spain was top in everything in the 15,16 and 17th century, also in medieval times in Europe the only country with great science was Spain during that time Muslim to inform you.
@@kingstarscream320 the only time Spain became weak was because they were indeed the true Great Power of their time period until the Napoleonic Wars saw its stagnation and decline fall even more rapidly than ever.
@@ousamadearudesuwa I was exaggerating but Spanish history is largely one of comedic mishaps. Failure of the Spanish Armada, expelling Jews and Muslims from Spain, being anti-science much of the time due to irrational religious zealotry, being defeated by the Protestants during the 30 years war, having the small Dutch nation escape their clutches while simultaneously having their overseas trade wrecked by them, pirates of all nations regularly outwitting the Spanish and stealing their already stolen gold, destroying their own empire via over-inflation, getting hoodwinked by Napoleon, being defeated by the Mapuche, having their American colonies revolt and break free largely due to Spanish government incompetence, and finally by becoming a fascist dictatorship for most of last century. Spain can’t seem to win unless they are fighting Native Americans with less advanced technology and even then they had an advantage of Native Americans suffering from diseases that the Spanish brought over. Charles V and Phillip II managed to hold the empire together for a century, even while making many many mistakes of their own, but after that it was all downhill for poor Spain with one terrible decision after another right up until the present day.
@@kingstarscream320 I am late, yes. 1. The Spanish Armada was a failure on both Parties of the War. The British practically had to guess or had been unable to overpower other Spanish engagements and the Spanish lost their best admiral to disease. There were a few Armadas and one was a success, and the rest was practically a mess for both sides. 2. The inquisition. Ah yes because it was only the Spanish doing something as drastic as The Inquisition to expel their external threats. It did succeed, partially, unlike a certain country that believed it got cursed by the Catholic God for killing the entirety of the Templars and genuinely lost more to infighting and a few external local enemies. 4. The 80 years war, the culmination of constantly fighting everyone. Ah yes because the Dutch were able to fight toe to toe with the tercios in newer tactics and still had to rely on German Mercenaries to have an even fighting ground. 5. Spain being anti-science is practically you not easily understanding Medieval politics. Spain, Portugal, and England didn't care for the Scientific progress, because they were already focused on their own affairs to care for what the Church(who was also 50-50 in terms of scientific progress) thinks. 6. The 30 years war, where all of Europe fought for political reasons, not religious. And by the end of that war, the Catholics won, under the treaty of Westphalia. 7. Piracy is not an easy threat to defeat. Even France and England had to fight the same problems in areas where Spanish Influence is limited. No nation is going to fully win against Pirates and privateers. The Dutch were one of the many nations that used Privateering, and any nation would struggle against that. 8. The rest were the Spanish not being fully effective at colonialism.
to be fair, it is more like this: Franco:I'm gonna have a fight with my brother Hitler:Let me help, that way I can try a few things *a day later* Hitler:I'm going to fight the whole town, would you help me? Franco:Dude, I'm at the HOSPITAL, couldn't you just wait a year or something? Hitler:Nein
Spain had just come out of a civil war and the Soviet Union had just robbed virtually all the money they had in the bank of Spain, also Spain if he wanted to help Germany but it was Germany that rejected Franco's offer when he asked Germany that in exchange for entering the war will help with Gibraltar and French Morocco. Please inform yourself.
Franco pretty much let down everyone that supported him. He let down Hitler and Mussolini by not joining WW2. He let down the monarchists by refusing to let the crown heir take back the throne. He let down the Carlists by building a centralist state. He let down the Falange by first, refusing to help breakout their leader and then by letting them believe he was still alive to avoid them choosing a new leader, and then tossing most of their political guidelines while still exploiting their influence and resources. He also let down Big Money by getting Spain into a commercial blockade for 10 years. And most importantly he let down the Republic for breaking his oath of loyalty to topple the government. In short? He was an untrustworthy, backstabbing son of a bitch.
Porque acabábamos de salir de una guerra civil, es una respuesta que se sabe. Nadie está preparado para una guerra cuando faltan: Alimentos, medicinas, soldados...
@@mbcrraNo he nombrado eso en concreto, en lo que has dicho se ve que las operaciones de la división azul fueron ayudas, y no fue un participante activo ya que España había perdido capacidad logística y militar. Las grandes pérdidas puede ser que permitan envíos de tropas como en la famosa batalla de Krasny bor, convirtiéndose en el único ejército que no retrocedió nada ante la Unión Soviética (Razón por la cual Stalin insistió en que no entrase España en la nación de naciones). Como bien has dicho eran cosas aisladas, la mayor parte de efectivos de los movimientos del eje eran de la Gestapo y Japón, hasta Italia nos superaba en el número de maniobras (otra cosa es el éxito de las mismas).
Italy did not switch side. Italy simply surrendered because it could not continue the war. Then germany invaded northern Italy. So its natural that Italy had to push away the invader..... What would you do in this situation???!!!!
@@cuentaabandonada8654 nope, the Spanish pronunciation is either Mađriđ or Mađriþ, which, in English, could be phonetically written as Mathrith. đ = THe þ = wiTH
German Reich: _Yo mate, I'm putting together a team, wanna join?_ Spain: _Sure, but I'm kinda busy right now. I'll have an answer by tomorrow, hopefully_ *Last seen: 76 years ago*
Ah yes the hard but beautiful game let me detail every axis nation there Germany:the man with intelligence Italy:the stupid one Japan:the hentai kawaii weeb Spain:the bull fighter Romania:the better ally than italy Hungary:mr.no navy baby Bulgaria:the ladies man Thailand:the odd one Finland:icy boi
@@ARKOVZ is it not clear? The netherlands are the only rightfull succesor to the old spainish empire. The spanish empire was.the sucesor to the roman empire. Therefore the ntherlands have a claim over all of spain and its former territories. All of ancient rome and all of the colonies the nations that once made up rome ever have aquired.
Take it from me, a spanish guy, that the fact franco dodnt join is simply because we had just gone through a civil war and were in no shape to fight another one
4:44 "the Italians had a bigger navy than France and Britain combined" Dude are you joking? France had a bigger navy than Italy alone...and Britain had double-triple the size of that....
@abaezarojano Then the statement is very misleading. It suggests the surface fleet naval strength is significantly more than both Britain and France’s.
estado novo under salzar was far right or right leaning,catholic and conservative but not fascist... again hillbert, please keep up the great work, maybe have a video about the netherlands in world war two, i recently saw a film about queen wilhemina , living very modestly ...coordinating *dutch resistance* who was in england* during the war...,
@@ARKOVZ It was horribly authoritarian and developed a range of methods of oppression and torture that was copied by CIA and others around the world (it was after alle Portugal that kept fighting -and loosing -colonial wars until the mid-70s after everybody else had dropped that endevour)
Germany und the bois druing 1940:WERE WINNING Spain:Hmmm joining would make me bigger A few minutes later Italy:mama mia i'mma burning germany helpa meh! Germany:Japan where are u!?!?! Spain:On second thought *Spain becomes pro allies*
You mentioned in passing that the Italian navy was larger than the British and French ones combined, - wait, what?! I suppose you meant the British and French naval presence within the Mediterranean...
That absolutely caught my ear too. No way the Italian navy was bigger than the British, let alone French and British combined. I think Hilbert had a bit of a brain fart then.
@@eudaldgraumasaneda1646 it must have been rubbish, since the British kicked their teeth in significantly. Perhaps Italians had a larger navy than British Mediterranean fleet? Germany didn't out produce Britain in the naval department and Italian industry was abysmal. Anyways, the Italians had a more significant oil shortage than the Germans and beautiful battleships like Roma were just docked throughout the war and didn't see action.
The Spanish Blue Division served on the Leningrad front. My Russian professor in college and his wife survived the siege. He told our class that the troops he fought against were Spanish.
Many actually assume that because Spain recovering itself from Civil War that's why they didn't join the Axis. It is one of the reason but not the main reason Spain never joined the Axis. Spain's position is very similar to Japan, have problem with Allied Nations but still need them as trading partners. Spain focuses on three things: At Sea British is unstoppable and Spain can't fight by themselves plus Spain understands that British will recover and retaliate Axis in future, second Spain had colonies and also need oil from US which again is decisive to make a decision that US always have enough resources to fulfill their as well as international needs so Spain decide to remain neutral and three, the important point Spain actually understood the threat of USSR and communism so they move in a manner that Spain could be beneficial at long run aka preventing communism and USSR from Spain and remained in the Western bloc. Both Japan and Spain had been in similar situation but Spain acts wisely, Japan acted tactlessly and pay the price despite being a better situation than Spain.
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 yes, that's why I felt Japan is also in Spain's position at WW2, if they remain neutral then only USA would be their rivals but in on the flip side Japan would have UK on their side and US and Japan would come in talking terms instead of Japan attacking Petal Harbor. Spain made the right call.
Imran Hossain Japan killed 20+ million with less than 1/10 of that casualty, and today there are poorly educated westerners who sympathize with Japan. Can you really say the price was paid. Americans even left Hirohito and hundreds of war criminals free at that cuz they didnt care about Asia just the fact they needed to contain the USSR.
@@mrpythagoras7079 well you are right but you are actually saying half thing here. One of the primary reason Japan joined Axis because Japan wanted an empire in Asia and felt that German can help them by beating the British and French and Japan can pick pieces from it. But the fact is Japan underestimate the power of Allies and Japan never anticipate that US would nuke them twice which become a point of threat in 21st century where any Nation having nuclear power would threat and get it's things forcefully. Now coming back to main topic if Japan actually understood that Axis won't be a helpful Ally in long run they would join Axis and thus never committed war crimes, that's why I said they made tactless decisions. And after WW2, Japan admitted they made mistake, and give up their desire to form empire and colonies. And on Japan's victim game, well USSR have the most casualties in WW2, but after the war they also fulfill their territorial ambition and redraw their boundaries, took half of the Korea which was Russia's Target since Tsar rule, and helped Communist to takeover China. So USSR does things they wanted to do and West should ignore bigger threat than Japan is more of a grave mistake. I hope you get the point.
Nothing good for sure, the coup militars were known as "Africanistas" (pro-colonial and expansionistes) probably this kind of people migth speardheaded the assotiation to the Axis.
@Vinito Rahmat Hardly. Decolonisation was pretty much enforced from the UN (the USA) after WWII. No way Spain would have a 'Second Empire' even if gifted Morocco.
@@niclasjohansson5992 The starred one stands for the independentist movement of Catalonia. Just the movement, not the independent country that some want to achieve.
@@maxpuente6291 Yeah,Thats whats happened when politicians lie to people about getting a new state without problems that they will be rich etc etc 😆 😆 They will die being Spaniards,no doubt about that.
Very interesting! Thank you! Just one tiny detail. You show a Spanish flag with a castle on top of the shield instead of a crown. That is the republican shield, which should go with the three-coloured republican flag. During Franco's dictatorship, Spanish shield had a crown and your typical little eagle behind it.
Great video, just two things: 1. The Spanish flag you have used was the flag of the 1st Republic at the beginning of the 20th century 2. The catalonian flag used was the one of the independence movement and not the actual flag Besides that, great great video
"Given the ideology" Franco was a Traditionalist, a Catholic Reactionary, Hitler was a National Socialist, so far as ideologies go they only shared the hatred towards communism and the fact that both were authoritarian. Hitler's ideology came from syndicalism, Franco's ideology was a continuation of the old Carlism.
Well, Francoism was something of a combination of the various Right-wing ideologies that fought on the Nationalist side. As an example of this syncretism: While he promised the eventual return of the monarchy (which he did deliver), the only allowed party were the Falange.
@@Mr_Lo_ don't underestimate the Spaniards that'd be your first and biggest mistake. No need in a pointless war over a tiny rock, we've got Algeciras and Ceuta to control both sides of the straight. Besides this is the 21st Century not the 19th Also Britain is not what it used to be, take the nukes away and it'd be a minor player, not an empire anymore and they don't realise it, another big mistake Also we could starve Gibraltar without any force, just shut the fence and without even deploying our navy, artillery and fighter planes would take care of the British navy
Following the 1704 capture of Gibraltar only around 70 out of the original 5,000 Spanish inhabitants chose to remain in there. The current inhabitants were brought there by the British after the takeover, so we see them as colonizers/settlers. Note that the UN classifies Gibraltar as a "colony".
Thanks for these Spanish civil war videos! I have become pretty facinated with this period in Spanish history. I feel like the Spanish civil war was like the Syrian civil war of the 30s because of the foreign volunteers and the proxy backing of it. It was like the first proxy war of the 20th century. And also I'm an American that has Mexican heritage so Spain is like that distant great grandfather that I have never met but have cultural ties too lol
Nice vid......thanks for making it. And thanks for your correct pronunciation of Spanish words. I didn't think there were any Brits who could do that, or be bothered to do that.
Hi.I’m spanish and I World like to comment some errors this Video has. The spanish flag you show ni the vídeo is the spanish 1st republic flag. The catalonian flag which is shown in the video is the independence one. Still good video. Greetings from Spain 🇪🇸
3:53 For all the horrible things Franco did, I think we all need to appreciate how well he cheated Hitler. No one else had the balls to do what he did.
Franco was the good guy in the civil war. Look at former communist countries. They still haven't fully recovered. Franco was wise enough to save Spain from the same fate.
@@roriksteader You give him too much credit. He did not organize the coup. In fat there was another guy, that no one remembers, that was supposed to become the dictator. But apparently Franco was so much better as a leader they changed their minds.
5:35 catalan flag inst using the start at the moment so to get a perfect video you should have to change this. Catalan flag with the start is only used by catalan independence movement and it was created about 1895 but is not the oficial flag of cataluña which is the same but whithout the blue triangle and the star. Not ofended, just trying to help.
Not for complaining, but the spanish flag you showed was never used. The flag during Franco's dictatorship is red-yellow-red and has a black eagle in the shield. Monarchy flag (our actual flag) is almost the flag of the video but has the shield on the left side. (and the shield is a bit different)
Some corrections: The 'catalan' flag min 5:40 isn't a constitutional / official flag, the real catalan flag hasn't got the blue triangle and the star. By the way, one of the KEY reasons for Spain to refuse entering WW2 is that it just ended a 3-year long civil war in 1939 that devastated the country. In fact, I think it is the most important reason and you didn't even mention it. Spain didn't have the ressources to enter another war...
The shirld one is the monarchy one, the eagle one is the dictatorship one, and if you see one with the last strap purple somewhere, it is the republican one, the official is the monarchy one. There are plenty of innaccuracies here but this flag is not one of those
Good video but lacking, didn't said anything about the meeting between Mussolini and Franco in Bordighera and other resources, could even mention the island of Mallorca that was occupied.
España uso la táctica de las 3 posiciones, entre Inglaterra y Alemania neutrales, entre Alemania y la URSS pro-eje y entre USA y Japon pro-Aliados Una táctica infalible
Great video! But wrong Catalan flag in 5:41. That's a newly created flag used only by independence-seekers - in no way has it ever been the official Catalan flag
@Víctor Michavilla I had no idea about that, I thought it was first used during the Pujol government. Still, it has never been the official Catalan flag
You forgot a key reason, if the spanish joined the war they would have to defend from the french on one side, the british from gibraltar and a huge one from portugal on the other, franco knew they would be eaten alive, the guy was bad not mad.
