Joelle is so likeable. She is someone I could really see myself being easy friends with. And I think identifying with survivors of cults on a personal level is a great reminder that ANY of us are capable of falling prey to predators.
I was conned by a man I was married to for 10 years. I get it! So hard to know how duped I was. I noticed your comment about his eyes. I didn’t realize during the time but I look back at photos now, and in many of them his eyes were vacant or dead looking
I had to chuckle when she was talking about the people saying you must have liked him at sometime and she said "my bad." My first marriage was a very toxic relationship. I have adopted the my bad attitude for falling in love with him and not seeing the red flags.
I think we romanticize a lot of high control cultures...the Amish come to mind, but also a lot of people romanticize Priests, Nuns, and even members of the LDS.
I can see Catholicism from both sides...but the thing is I happen to be asexual, meaning vows of celibacy would not be very significant to me. There's a chance that if I'd been Catholic, I might have considered a convent. I even think it's possible St. Paul was coming from the same point of view and that he genuinely didn't understand how his perspective differed from others. He wouldn't have had the language for it at the time, any more than I did when I was younger. And if you happen to be heteroromantic it can be hard to know the difference between that and typical heterosexuality without being given the vocabulary for it. I've come to the opinion that either you should be naturally inclined to celibacy or be very, VERY sure of what you're doing before you consider taking that on. But I really do have a hard time saying priests and nuns shouldn't exist as they do. (I'm Methodist though, so we don't have holy orders and we're egalitarian...yes, even conservative Global Methodists are still middle of the road enough that we have female pastors.)
@@nerysghemor5781 I think you may have misunderstood my post. I was using the term romanticized in the sense of idealizing something. -- is. Thinking something or someone is purer than normal people or that their way of life is simpler, purer, or closer to God.
i think its bc of the human need to have a system of beliefs, maybe deep inside we know it can be bs and seeing people double down on that maybe make them feel better about that need.
Thank you. Just got out of a similar relationship and was feeling shame. I knew he was shady but not as shady as he ended up being. Your story helped so much. Thank you
This guy defines the very term narcissistic sociopath. He's manipulating people to this degree; manipulating his own wife to this degree and extracting tons of money from her, yet he still finds time and peace to take an afternoon nap every single day
Thank you for sharing. I do yoga as a physical practice along with other forms of exercise. I’m also half Indian. I found this so eye opening and wish Joelle all the best ❤❤❤
I have loved yoga in the past . I have built up a wariness going to studio , anything that feels slightly culty l can’t hang with. I do fine at home with RU-vid yoga. That is a great resource. this was a very good episode, thanks.
Joelle is an amazing woman for enduring, finally leaving and then adapting to an entirely new and more healthy and CONSCIOUS life! Kudos to her for finally honoring her survival instincts and taking action. Many blessings to her for sharing her story and the gift this is to all those who need to understand the dangers of these types of conmen and manipulators, cult leaders and narcissistic psychopaths of all stripes. Blessings to Joelle as she continues doing this wonderful work of raising awareness around these toxic sociological and religious issues. 🙏🌟✨💞
Great video! There are definite cons in yoga. I would like to clear up something in the history of yoga. The first concepts of yoga was written in the 2nd century BC by patanjali called the yoga sutras. It is a part of the vedas. Most of yoga which literally means “union”is more centered around the practice of raja yoga which is meditation. There are seven steps to yoga practice and the physical step (asana) is only one step of the seven to prep the body for meditation. The highest level is samadhi which is when “that in which you meditate on and you become one”. The history of yoga is deep and is more about how to achieve what is talked about in the bagavad Gita. Most true gurus (guru means teacher) and yogis believe that you don’t follow a man (human) you follow your own practice to self realization. It is believed that all you need is inside of you. That is what is interesting to finding the yoga cons because it usually consists of a person getting you to need them versus the guru always helping you go within.
There are actually EIGHT “steps” or “limbs” to yoga as delineated in Patanjali’s yoga sutras: yama, niyama, asana, pranayama, pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, samadhi
Please see if you can find anyone who has experience with Teal Swan, an American self-help guru making lots of money and has a big following. Idk, but it seems culty.
Teal swan runs a very dangerous cult and she herself is a very dangerous female sociopath/malignant narcissist. She preys on people who carry trauma and claims to cure it. Just awful!
When I watched the first interview with Joelle I immediately knew (and hoped) there'd be more to come! You guys vibe so well and her story is so fascinating!
Shelise: I have to say, Joelle's story reminds me so much of the story told in the book 'Premka: White Bird in a Golden Cage: My Life with Yogi Bhajan.' If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it! And if you could do an interview with her -- or other 'survivors' of Yogi Bhajan's abusive and manipulative cult in the U.S. -- it would be an important contribution to your catalog of cult expose's. Please do add it to your list!
Darn, I missed the live! I have a friend who was in an Ashram cult with "connections" to Yogananda. The guy ended up getting everyone to give up everything they had and work for his holistic healing practice and then absconded.
I was thinking about Yogananda after watching the first video. My ex boyfriend got involved shortly after we broke up, and I remember talking to him a couple years afterwards, and he mentioned people were making donations… he wasn’t really in a place to see the problem with that, not at the moment. I surely hope he got out before donating too much. He was a sweetheart, but I think a little too open to those sorts of influences
@@kavithakrishnanshow I thought Yogananda (who wrote Autobiography of a Yogi) had been dead for quite a while? Maybe we are not talking about the same guy?
I have never known of the organization Yogananda founded, Self Realization Fellowship, to be involved in any underhanded things, but I also know there are other offshoot groups that claim connections to his teachings. I was involved with SRF for many years before I moved to another geographic area. I never saw any cultish control going on with them.
Another great conversation! I am thankful that yoga was introduced to me strictly as a physical practice when I was 12 years old and in 9th grade in a private school that my mom put me in for that year. Yoga was my physical education class. The teacher kept it really straightforward with no spiritual indoctrination. I do remember some historical framework given for what I believe was Hatha yoga and that it was partially developed by a yogi watching his cat stretch. It was in the 1970s. The New Age movement hadn't quite fully blossomed, and I'm glad that I learned yoga without it being new age, or spiritual. It was strictly a physical practice that felt good and allowed me to enjoy my physical flexibility.
I really enjoyed listening to both nterviews wuth Joelle. What a wonderful story of recovery and restoration! Her return to the spirituality she learned in childhood seems so healthy to me!
There's some wisdom right there, hating him would be acknowledging that he's still a part of you that's pretty profound. I missed the first part so I'm going to go back and watch the first episode but wow very elegant lady and knows when to take a stand that shows deep understanding of yourself and what you're willing to you are not do I like her very much❤❤❤❤❤❤
I think that unfortunately, her stability and logic was also part of the con. Even if people thought something was hinky with him, they would look at her and it would be reassuring that she would not be with him if he was a fraud.
Yes, these narcissistic type people often target intelligent people with good standing in the community, for one reason or another. They never go for weak minded pushover types, which is what many uninformed people think. These people are very good at manipulating.
@@autumn5852 Thanks for your clarification. I did not mean to cast blame on Joelle. Of course, for a narcissist, winning over some weak person would not be a conquest. You are right though, when I think of her, young, fairly innocent and naive , smart with an MBA, someone like that would be quite useful to a narcissist.
@@michelecraig9658 I mean, thank goodness we don’t know exactly how the narcissist’s mind works, but as you said, they do seem to like a challenge. I do feel for people who have narcissistic personality disorder though, as deep down they believe they’re so bad that they can’t even go there :( It’s very rare to get this type of personality disorder coming to mental health services for help, and if they do, unfortunately they will usually just use the therapist like they use most people, for supply. It would take a very skilled therapist to be able to help someone with this personality type. I didn’t think you were casting blame on Joelle by the way. I wasn’t implying you were not informed. It’s easy to get misunderstood and to misunderstand on social media isn’t it, with such short comments. And I get misunderstood a lot anyway. Anyway, let’s be grateful we’re not narcissistic. I considered it once after being in a relationship with one, which is something they’re good at. They flip things around and make you think you’re the narcissist.
I appreciate that you have a variety of guests who arrive at different ways of deconstructing their experiences, and that you don't push a specific narrative, that the only correct deconstruction is atheism, or that the psychedelics you've used are the right answer for everyone, etc. As I think I've mentioned before, I watched another channel that VERY MUCH pushed a specific narrative as the only truly acceptable solution and it was very alienating. I think by approaching things the way you are, you're eventually going to reach a much broader audience and help more people than channels along the lines of the other one ever will.
Dear Shelise & Joelle, Thank you for today’s conversation. Excellent wrap up. How lovely to hear you each Thrive. You have Love. What a witness to God’s Amazing Grace & Tender Mercies . God’s Blessings be upon you and your loved ones. ❤✝️❤️ take care
I watched both interviews with Joelle. Thank you both for your time and effort. I like what she said about not wanting to hate her ex husband...that it would be allowing him space in her life. That is such a good point. She has moved through this situation so incredibly well and she looks great! I wish her all the best.
Thanks so much for sharing. I am a mum of a little girl and I will have this fantastic resource to show her that there are unfortunately very bad people in the world
Amazing interview! Thank you Joelle for sharing your story, which might warn some other people about possible cult leaders and con-mans...May God bless you!
I highly highly recommend reading or visiting Scott Carney’s youtube and his book the enlightenment trap. Our Westerns are very drawn to the allure and mysticism of the eastern practices.
Girlie since I found your channel it’s been soooo nice. Great channel, working with love, standing for the truth and what’s right. Beautiful, beautiful job. Thank you on behalf of everyone 💜💜
Dang I missed the live! Looks like I’m part of the rewatch party! 🎉 Shelise, thank you for giving us more, and taking the time to share your platform to raise awareness about these manipulative leaders! Thank you Joelle for coming back and giving us some more insight on your experiences! Your bravery is contagious!
I can’t find the comment right now (possibly because I’m watching on my phone) but with the question about how to trust your own intuition when you have a traumatic past with religion, I wonder if remembering to keep space to reflect might be one tool. I’m lucky to have not been caught up in a cult (I’m sure it could have happened to me as easily as to anyone else) but a common theme I notice when people talk about them is how much and how clearly they remember the thoughts and actions of the leader and how little space and time they had to reflect back on the little red flag moments that did pop up for them. Awesome interview thanks Joelle ❤
(explanation: I was in a hindu-derived cult myself, spent a lot of time in India and later did some formal religious studies). I would not say Indians are not necessarily duped as much. It is more that: 1) they are duped by a somewhat different narrative adjusted to that market with more localised cultural elements, often on a more conservative and politically right-wing side, vs the one aimed at liberal left-leaning westerners looking for an alternative spirituality. It does not make it less or more manipulative though, it is just easier to see it in others. 2) we are comparing a general population (Indian guys in general) with a very small subset of already "primed" westerners (spiritual seekers already infatuated with a mythical projection on Indian culture). That said, there seems to be a convergence over the last decades with the material development in India, with more of those previously mostly western-oriented narratives having a bigger presence with modern urban indian demographics and some expat groups and individuals outside the country. The assumption being that migrations to big urban centers or other countries deeroots people and makes them more prone to search for something vaguely familiar in more neo-Hindu environments. But even so there are few that have a similar presence on both markets, most have either predominantly Indian or western followings. Maybe that Sadguru guy that is making rounds this days, he seems to have an impact on both sides, not sure how much though. Joelle is probably overthinking that guy and searching for more deep motivation even now. India is a big country with a lot of people in a very competitive environment and there are truckloads of guys like that. As a westerner (being a target for such types) you see multiple ones every day at times, coming from different angles with various levels of scams. Girls of course have an additional layer of romantic scams, not just financial and power-based. I've seen some of those even from their side, as some younger guys were not always hiding with other guys, even westerners, if scamming western girls was their main thing. From what we heard here he was probably very far from an "educated" (in a traditional religious sense) Hindu. It is difficult to be sure just from second and manipulation stories, but I would guess he knows much less than an average Indology graduate, possibly never learned sanskrit etc., which might be one reason for being hesitant about going into public more spiritual/religious teaching. Might be just a character trait or the way he set his system of manipulation. Also no need to rationalise so much emotional entanglements. A lot of girls fall for gurus, much like for other public authority figures, and often problems start because of the inevitable "cheating", asking them to have abortions and similar. Because they did not fulfill a good relationship role, not because they were able to win them over as such.
According to linguistic scholars, the term "namaste" means "the god within me, greets the god within you". (even if it is currently used flippantly) A young Brahmin caste man, wrote about how he was devout... so devout in fact, that he practiced yoga as a young man. This is significant, because the the term yoga translates as "yoking with". Elderly Hindus will often begin practicing yoga, in hopes of yoking themselves to the spirits that will guide them in the next reincarnation. (this explains why the young don't tend to do it.... they are feeling 'bullet-proof' as it were.) As for the roots of yoga, you need to turn to the Hindu scriptures, known as the Bhagavadgita. (please pardon the spelling) In that book, Shiva is given credit for starting the practice of yoga. Shiva is also known as "the destroyer". If anyone is thinking of reporting my comment.... please be honest, and check several sources to see if these things are correct or not. (by several sources, I mean ask practicing Hindus, former Hindus, and linguistic experts who understand that language use evolves over time)
I trust my instincts about people until it's a man I like. Then I have had a habit of talking myself into things. Thankfully I've gotten better about that!
Such a wonderful conversation! I am wondering if Joelle knows what happened to Angela (I think that was her name). It seems like she was Arun's next target after her and I hope that she got away from him.
🤔😊Joelle, I like to think of energy as being something I own. I honestly visualize it as my battery. I ask myself how I can add to that battery like with food, sleep, solitude or joy (for example). Conversely, I constantly monitor what is draining my energy (battery). It could be toxic people or giving in to others want of my time. If I'm with a negative person or feeling surrounded by negative energy, I make a conscious effort to reflect that back rather than absorb it. I put up my metaphorical shield. I also do my best to send out positive energy. Just giving a warm greeting, complement or assistance to a stranger creates a warming energized feeling to a space. Joelle, I feel that energy in you.❤ Even though this man is no longer in your life, are you doing what you need to in order not to absorb his negative energy?
Love this guest! I will be seeking out her book, for sure. And Shelise, you prob already know this, but your labor (unimpeded) will be catalyzed by the release of a hormone within your baby’s lungs, which initiates the graduated cascade of hormones that tell your body what comes next for each stage. So try not to get pressured into being induced, if you can help it! Doctors’ estimates of weights and dates are notoriously subject to heavily biased human error and natural healthy human variance. Your body will not grow an entire human being from scratch without also knowing the correct schedule for exit 💜⚡️ blessings for a safe, healthy, empowering transformative birth for the highest good of all concerned!
Thank you! Yes we are doing an unmedicated, natural water-birth when baby girl is ready to make an appearance 😁 keep that Pitocin away from me unless baby’s life is in danger.
I taught Yoga for 30 years. It’s not sacred. It’s not spiritual. What it is. is natural.. to breathe deep and stretch brings us from the anxiety state, to our natural state of being.. people call that spiritual and I call it our natural state… it feels good to stretch.. it feel s good to relax and breathe. It feels good to be still in Savasana.. It feels good. And feeling good is natural… not spiritual or sacred…
*The feminine counterpart of a Guru is a Muse ...* ka-ba-la as it should be used to make a difference between primal and secondary or direct and indirect ka = female & spiritual, the Teacher, Source ba = male & material, the Master, God la = body (~ ba) & nobody (~ ka), the Pupil, Ego (external worth ~ ba & internal validation ~ ka) In our social circumstances, the material gain (ba) is more rewarded than the internal self-worth. It has made us richer in a material sense but poorer in a spiritual sense. The religions ( ~ ba) have made the ka 'haram', but we still need the 'dark' side of ourselves to explain things that cannot be seen or proven and that's where the story walks in. The *muse* inspires the master and shares with him her knowledge of the ka. Making the material gains more important than 'happiness' changed our perception of life as it is and we're searching for what we've lost so long ago that we can't remember why or how it happened. Imagination (~ ka) is necessary to survive and lying is a form of imagination, but it will not stand in court (which is a ba-construction, supervised by God, Allah, or sacred texts). I mean, we all have to do the brain-work ourselves and share our experiences to teach the other the reality beyond the facade. I was 52 years old before I started collecting the evidence of being (ab)used for many years and often, that's the reason why they regard the situation as definitive (which is not true since everything has a ba-side and a ka-side. I figured out a solution myself that is not too difficult to realise, but justice rejects it because of precedents (and that's a missed chance for all of us). Anyway, the future will prove me right or wrong and the least I can do is *try* it, maybe some big names will feel inspired.
Very similar to my group psychotherapy story. The guy made me a changed person due to new confidence of doing something for myself and learning some social skills and encouragement, but also his nasty personality affected me and I became acting like him.
BTW Joelle, I think what you saw in Arun's eyes were the dead eyes of a psychopath. That's not an insult; there does tend to be a lack of genuine affect in people psychopaths, though they can often fake it.
I find my meditations to be so wonderful that I do them often, but not to a schedule. Why do humans fall into such forced or mindless regimentation? I don't know, but we all do somehow. Since I stopped torturing myself that way, stopped doing things because some humans told me that is what I have to do, I'm different. I understand doing ritualistic things for my own efficiency, but not to break my own free will. So I do certain things the same way because it makes my life easier, frees my mind for what it enjoys. Which is being present in our connection to spirit in this eden of a World.
The tantric traditions are older, and you will find quite a lot of it in Taoist and Chinese forms of Buddhism. It was ones thought of as mystic and secret, but you can find it described quite well in English and German literature from around 1930. I don`t know why some are attracted to these new age cults, be it Indian or anything else. Europeans know it well, with all kinds of denominations and charismatic movements, not to talk about all the mediums and clairvoyants, some are the real thing, others not. With gurus, they are teachers or a knowledge, not always easy to understand through books. These movements are centered around them, with the notion they are needed to gain the wisdom. That said, some are closer to the genuine thing than others, but with religions, take them with a pinch of salt, what they claim to be isn`t always what they practice.
That's so crazy that you say that about his androgynous face because I knew this guy that got me hooked on meth and I swore and still do swear that he was possessed by demons, and he had the same look. I swear his face structure would change and he looked like more feminine/androgynous. Thankfully the Lord Jesus Christ saved me out of all of that
I was conned for 30 years. Wife got me to marry her and I worked and bought a house then she had children and I sent them to college. I later died and she came to my funeral
Such an amazing story. I watched both. She has a lot of great information. I'm from Oregon...I think you did a pod cast on one of the gurus that came here in my childhood and tried to take over a small community.
If it was the rajneeshi, he DID take over that community for a while. Luckily he was found out. But his strategy of bringing more voters into the community than were there to start, and getting people into local politics... it TOTALLY worked..
what these westerners do not understand is that, in India, what is actually valued is a well lived householder life. at most, people like to give alms to religious people, not get tangled with them. most people understand that the people who leave the householder way of life are either those with great destinies, or just plain rebels who want to live an itenarant life. those people are tolerated, vaguely respected, but treated warily....so that creates more or less separate spaces for the householders and the rebels...these people like to rush in where the sensible fear to tread......
Don't give your abusers so much power. They are human with no special abilities. Think more about what made you fall for their scam and learn from that.
And if your every go to India you simply must be sure to travel in groups. Especially women. This type of con is soooo common there as it is now in the west. We are simply much too gullible.
I was ripped off by jagadguru Shree kripalu maharaj - and his swamis after I was abused I tried to get help and all of them closed ranks on me completely - they still operate today and it’s amazing that nothing is ever done about them - the only enlightenment I got was leaving 😂
Yoga is tens of thousands of years old...take off those layers of conditioning. It's not "a set of exercises"...it's a guided path to nirvaan/enlightenment for which you need a body at its best so it can endure extremes, like, sitting in meditation for hrs/days...hence all those exercises/postures to practice. Funny when people call it "new age". Google has a lot of info on it, if one is really interested. Joelle, it's plain to see, was never really into Yoga.
I think maybe some things have been misunderstood, I have been encouraged by my friends from India, who are doctors, to use “Namaste”. And if this Swishy Swami knew Bikram, he’s a con, and learned tricks from him.
Joelle, I think that guy conned you with everything, from things you said he doesn't sound spiritual at all or spiritually advanced, I'm doubting if he had any spiritual gifts either, one word to describe him.. fake!.. It sounds to me like he probably got the breathing stuff of of the internet and really didn't have much idea about things . I've studied a lot of yogi stuff and learnt things under a good teacher and even at advanced levels which aren't usually taught to the general public, we didn't do our breathing practices like you said here eg you said he taught 20 mins of each kind, that alone doesn't make sense to do as they are not all the same and the breathing practices shouldn't be each for the same amount of time as the different breathing does different things and some forms are stronger than others. Often different types of breathings are done in a set amount many cycles.. how of cycles depends on the sort of pranayama being done eg some kundalini breathing may be done for less than 2mins in a beginner or it can be dangerous.. Alternative nostril breathing (this balances the left and right brain and is also a pre meditation form of pranayama... 20 mins is a very long time to be doing that kind of pranayama and it's not necessary at all to do it that long if it is being done correctly.
Joelle, the end of the video and what was said concerned me as it sounded like you may be still vulnerable and could be taken advantage of in future and if there is a way I can help to try to make sure that doesn't happen to you again, I'd like to help so want to offer you. FREE and I want NOTHING in return.. no money, no requests of you, and Im female and not gay or bisexual and neither are I trying to recruit anyone into a group or have you meet anyone. There are still good people out there. I just sometimes help others when I think they may need it and if I'm drawn to want to try to help someone. I think it's truly terrible what was done to you and scary and sad that you fell for this so badly as there was just so many red flags. I'd like to put out an offer to you to help you in a way my teacher helped me. What my teacher did was he taught his more advanced students (that's not to say you wouldn't be able to learn this right now, it can be easy and not what I'd call an advanced skill, I've taught quite a few how to feel energy) , to scan the chakras of anyone you are ever thinking about having for a higher teacher so that you won't get conned when seeking out spiritual teacher's (at some point something could have you seeking again, I want you safe). I'm making this offer to you as I am assuming you may believe in chakras or still open to that idea. Say if you want to seek out a spiritual teacher in the future it's important to find one who has a bigger crown chakra and spiritual cord (the divine energy flows down into the crown and there is a column of energy which is entering peoples heads and this can be clearly scanned. If someone doesn't have a good sized spiritual cord and crown chakra and a decent sized heart chakra, they certainly not okay to be guiding anyone on any kind of spiritual path. Anyway, what I'm offering is to try to teach you to scan chakras for nothing at all in return (my payment is just knowing I was able to help another who I felt may need it to help themselves) .. how to actually feel this for yourself in just a few lessons so that in future you can instantly rule out someone you may be attracted towards but who possibly may try to con you. (I may be able to teach you that in just one short lesson but I want to make sure you can then scan others confidently and most importantly correctly and not deluding themselves so suggest a few lessons so you could then practice and get confirmation on how you are doing with it). Completely understandable though if after all you've been through that you wouldn't trust someone enough to let them try to help you. I may not know you but I just want you to be safe. If you don't want to reach out to me, I completely understand and then I will just say.. please please please always be very discerning in future. Anyway, i just wanted to let you know that there is a way that some of us can tell who is going to certainly be bad to be teaching us and that you may be capable of learning this for yourself (even then I still say be discerning.. my teacher always taught to blindly believe NOONE and to even be discerning on what we were being taught, good teachers always try to help people be safe).
Thank your for concern. I appreciate it. I don't follow individual spiritual teachers anymore and find solace, comfort and protection in my Christian faith.
I personally know a grifter who used another pretty, young, empathic girl (he met in Sedona, of course lol) to help lure others in. It DID totally work on me!! back in winter of 2022 . An offshoot cult of New Age is Super Soldiers in The SSP (Secret Space Program. ) Ala Corey Goode is probably the most "famous" one although I didn't get conned by him. But i did with this "Captain" Randy Cramer... who was also platformed by GaiaTV like Cory (Corey was recently depositioned and it all leaked on YT. He had to say under oath that he'd never been to space) Anyway way.... these super soldier people...wow. I do believe MK ultra is real. But from my experience so many in this community are literally mentally ill & don't know it. At best!
Ok, ik this isn't related to the video but, OHHHH MYYYY GOSHHHH! Shelise! I was watching past life regression and just saw your episode! 😂😂 that's amazing. Soon as I saw ur face I was like what?! That's Cults to Conciousness Shelise! 😂😂 I've always wanted to have this done bc I absolutely believe in past lives. I feel like I just know for sure, somehow, for whatever reason, that I lived in a castle sometimes in the 1500's and my name was Anne. It's just so odd. But I just feel like I know it so I've always wanted to try and validate this. Your hypnosis was insane girl! I was on the edge of my seat the entire time lol. I wanted to ask, what brought you to want to have this experience? Was everything truly, truly 100% real? Or were some of your "acting skills" involved? (Sorry, Lol, I had to ask 🤭) also, was there ever a time in your life that you had some sort of epiphany or sign, or maybe a dream of dejavu that you had a past life or was it just strictly bc you donated your eggs and didn't know you were so passionate about that? Jeez! I'm still, like, giddy lol. I'm so interested and intrigued by these types of experiences. Like the shows where children say they have a past life, and I watch a lot of the spirit shows and medium shows. Do you believe in mediums and that our loved ones are literally right here with us, like just beyond a thin veil? Anyway, I'm a huge fan. I could listen to for hours. And I'm super thrilled you're expecting a precious baby of your own. There's no love in this universe than the love you feel that first moment you hear the little whimper and cries of the actual life you created. It's such a warm, fulfilling experience. As if your purpose is now in your arms and you would give your own life for this one to survive. How wonderful this world of ours can be. ❤ God Bless you and Jonathan! 🥰
Hi Savoy! Yes! That was in 2014! Crazy. I had applied to be an on camera research assistant on the show but then they called me and told me they are no longer needing that position but asked if I would be willing to be hypnotized. So it basically just fell into my lap. It really was 100% real aside from the fact that the two regressions were shot on two different days. I first regressed back to Mary and then the next day they called and said they were so impressed that they wanted me to come back and do it a second time. They definitely played up the egg donation thing lol I did donate eggs the day before my regression, but I never felt it was a compulsive thing as they said. There definitely were a lot of cross overs though in my life. They cut out the part where I had said when I looked up the uniform John would have worn in the military. I had a leather coat that I was absolutely obsessed with and actually wore in the show that was the exact same military design.
@@CultstoConsciousness oh wow! That's so ironic about the leather jacket! Have you ever tried to follow up and do some of your own deeper research of your past lives and if so, did you find anything else out about them? Well, Other than looking up the uniform?
The pranayama/breathing practises she used to do (standard in yoga and Buddhist curcles) were not a con. There's been considerable amount of Western research into them, showing that they have specific, beneficial effects on one's health.
Yoga is actually a very old thing which has probably always been around the thing is Westerners often think it's just physical exercises (that is only one form of yoga), yoga though means "union" and about becoming more one with the different aspects of ourselves and connecting with the lower parts of ourselves with our higher parts and universal consciousness, uniting ourselves. The Buddhist Yogachara/yogacara which teaches yoga goes back to the 4th century.
Most yoga studios are so full of weird pseudoscience practices. I wanted to get into classes last year, because I wanted the experience of taking the class along other people (I've always practiced it alone) and I research about a studio that caught my eye and there was some reiki-like nonesense going on, besides some practices with some guy that was a sort of guru and I didn´t like it. It was a huge red flag the size of India.
The only really bad guru I had experience with (at a distance) was Sogyal Rinpoche. Ye can see the docu "In the Name of Enlightenment - Sex Scandal in Religion" - About Sogyal Rinpoche" Before all this came out. attending his week end teachings, I got some red flags activated by Sogyal himself as well some very fanatic followers. Personally I Am very allergic to any type of Guru specialy those that expect veneration and devotion. But thats Is very deep in Tibetan Buddhism. a monk or a nun is title is "venerable".
this lady uses a British woman with Indian heritage as an example to say "it wasn't always the case that all Indian people saw right through him" 🤣 that's exactly the point - the woman from the UK that fell for his tricks was just that - a woman from the UK. A British woman, even with Indian heritage is British at the end of the day, not really Indian. She wouldn't have grown up with the same wariness towards Indian snake oil salesmen as people who grow up in India do. The pranayama she was talking about is literally something I learned from my mom at less than 10 years old. It's funny to hear her talk about him, it sounds like she thinks there was actually stuff her conman husband actually knew, when it was very obvious he was a scammer through and through.
You aren't saying it, but I will. Most of it is absolute trash. After decades in the yoga community and years of life in Indian ashrams on the subcontinent and in Europe definitively I can tell you it's just trash. I really need to write a book.
You are so lovely I can see you dear all you really wanted was love ( meaning being closer to god and being a wonderful wife ) and sweetheart you accomplished it all in every single way. Never ever be ashamed. You came to evolve your soul and you did darling I’m so proud of you and I’m 100% sure that our creator and the whole universe is really proud of you. God doesn’t have a name that’s a human thing. You’ve loving god No matter what you call him. Sending you love a good vibes.
After navigating through various romantic relationships and encountering individuals who misrepresented themselves or exploited my trust emotionally, financially, sexually, physically, and spiritually, I've developed resilient boundaries. These experiences have provided me with valuable insights that I'm eager to share with others. I've cultivated a wealth of wisdom from my journey, and I'm grateful for the opportunity to guide and support others in navigating similar challenges. So I can totally relate to Joelle.
I love how she’s balancing now keeping in mind that she’s probably still softening from PTST or Cptst Ps. I’m going through similar issues and that’s how I know I’m case you were wondering.
After experiencing and emerging from both the dark sides of religion and spirituality, all I have to say is: hold onto your own power. Don't relinquish your power to any religious leader or spiritual guru. Don't fall for the tricks of religious or spiritual con artists from any source. In simple terms, beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. It saddens me that Joelle Tamraz returned to organized religion because, from my personal experience, it's essentially the same thing.
