Why We Switched from an AIO to Air Cooling... 

lol they got a cheat AIO thats what you get whrn you are a smartass

Thats broken

🤣🤣🤣🤣

He just needed to lock that drive in the basement with no support like some sort of SSD Fritzl until it promised to behave better.

Knowing Steve: yes.

Both

I think he dislikes the software, not so much the rbg.

@Dee Bee I watched a couple of his videos, and had to block his channel from being recommended ... he's just so fuckin' annoying.

@Dee Bee He did more good for the community than us altogether. Maybe: be humble, just a little bit.

Amen! Anxiety's a B!

Preach it man.

i dont understand. what is there to worry about? ive had aio since 10years and never heard about one leaking.

@@FordSierraIS Guess you get out much.

Yeahhhhhhhhhhh

and cases and psus too!, bought a case for a build recently and I gotta say its pretty solid, Im waiting for steve to review it. And the PSUs seem solid too considering its in the PSU tier list and quite high there

Any good air cooler will even work when fan dies. Most coolers are capable of passively keeping the CPU from overheating.

How often is this an issue though? I honestly would imagine, and certainly for me, my only concern would be the gunk build up because I would presume it wouldn’t have an issue for like 10yrs

@@sheppycider123 depends on your environment and fan speed but in general you only need to clean it like every 1-2 years which is not that bad and a good duster usually gets rid of everything, you don't even have to do a total disassembly, in all my life I only had one cpu fan die on me after like...constant 10 year use lol (originally was my pc then I handed it down to my father who just used it for web surfing)

@@sheppycider123 if what you bought is from china as in a china brand and manufactured in china, its not gonna last you 10 years no way. that i can assure you. you want the least chance possible for failure with water cooling and china brands just don’t build that kind of confidence.

@@NoneofyourBusiness-gy9yw 2 years ago bro 😭 but I hear you, ended up getting a new laptop in the meantime and a 2nd hand desktop a few weeks ago

Fancy Obsession I have a D15 in one of my systems for nearly four years and I love it. They make great coolers!

and noctua will send you mounting hardware for new sockets if necessary for free, just can't beat that

Same fan?

@@GrandPrix46 Probably. I've got some 7 or 8 year old Noctua fans still running great, they're beasts

@@tommihommi1 Old ones as well! I had X58/LGA1366 and they sent out compatible mounting kit free of charge! I thought it was a long stretch to ask for a first generation intel kit but it seems like Noctua has the best customer care in the whole industry!

H.O.S.E.D Horrendous Operating System Error Detected...just saying

Underrated comment! :D

No, it's excellent

Moist

I prefer something smaller than a massive brick

ja i have Deepcool ASSASSIN III and overlocked cpu not more than 50 degrise and in prime 60 -65 :D soooolid

idle 35 :D

4 years ago, i saved 100$ for a Corsair 240rad AIO, used it for 3 months and go back to air cooling up to now. Clearly if u often upgrade things inside or changing case many times, AIO is not a good options, beside when u need to change thermal sinks. This is my opinion but i really love ajr cooling more than AiO, easy install and more efficiency.

@@teebo5298 me too but any chance of leak would worry me

P. Doherty then you haven’t built enough pc’s

@P. Doherty Clicking "buy" with mommies credit card doesn't count.

RU-vid comments: toxic gatekeeping for everyone, even on the most wholesome channels.

P. Doherty Spoken like a grade-C troll. Be better, friends.

I'm just the other way around. 20-30 degrees lower and silent to boot. Love it. :)

@@karaloop9544 I honestly just got tired of maintaining it and also the added cost of new GPU blocks every time I wanted to upgrade. I have a closet full of WC stuff.

@@evo7836 just use distill water mines still fine after a year

I know air coolers are more reliable but it's too much of a personal aesthetic for me. I don't like how any air cooler looks. On a side note, if you're selling your closet full of stuff, I'd love a link to your eBay listing. I'm always upgrading or changing my set up.

@@evo7836 I see, maybe that's me in the future, who knows. :) I'm new to water cooling because my new processor is running hotter than anything before it, ever. Forced my hand, so to speak. I'd have loved a closet full of wc stuff because it's a major PITA to start from zero. With all this gear at least you have the option to setup a loop in the future if it strikes your fancy again. I only have the CPU water cooled, so I can skimp out on the GPU blocks. I definitely see the appeal of almost no maintenance though, coming from Noctua towers that served me well.

With 2 air ducts, air coolers can easily keep up with AIO's.

I’m building a computer with it now. The GPU is the last piece I’m waiting on. Love the case so far though. It’s been a long time since I built a desktop computer and cable management is so much easier than it used to be.

Just in time for me to have to replace my second Liqballs, err, I mean Liqtech AIO.

I have the Chromax version of the D15. Looks sick with red noise dampening bumpers!

What about the Ice Giant ProSiphon Elite?!

Nice would that new Noctua version be AM4 ready as well?

They've been saying that for two years now. IT'S HAPPENING!!! Glad it's finally hitting production, those brown/beige colored fans ain't looking to good in my all black set up. Still the best at cooling and airflow tho, I'll gladly spend money again just to change color. You can't go wrong with Noctua. Best of the best at what they do.

I've been through 2 Corsair AIO Hydro, currently rocking an NZXT Kraken X73. No problems with any of them.

I've had my H105 in my rig for the past 5 years and it still runs like a champ.

Same here, 2 systems, one with an H100i and another with H115i. No issues.

Been running an H80i since early 2014, running perfectly

Trigg3rHippie good luck with the kraken. The one I bought died in 2 months and the replacement I got through rma died in 3. Hope it doesn’t happen to you

Liquid coolers are expensive and they need a lot of maintenance.

You won't consider liquid cooling because they decided to put in a cooler that everyone has complained about everywhere and it failed. K.

Over lock my bro. Free performance. Also consider replacing the thermal paste

@@orlandoalvarez1504 there is no maintenance on aio watercoolers. Whem they go bad they must be replaced.

I have the 4790K with a noctua NH-U14S. No oc yet. But cools my cpu perfectly.

Bought Noctua and never looked back.

Bought Noctua and couldn't be any happier!(Well I'd like to add chromax fans with red corners and some fancy top covers for it). I have X58 so i emailed them and they sent out the mounting kit in 22 days without requiring me to pay any duties or delivery charges(I live in Pakistan where no delivery is free except for Pizzas).

my Noctua won't fit in my case. it's about 1mm too tall. i can close the case with it installed, but it'll cause the motherboard to flex. i'm back to using the stock AMD cooler until I decide on an alternative. i'm leaning towards a new case.

I'm still using my trusty old Arctic Cooling (Yes - they were still called Arctic Cooling back than) Freezer 13 Pro CO air cooler i bought with my i7 2600k ... Never had any issues and it's still quieter than the GPUs i had over the years.

@@Dirtyboxer1 +1 on getting a new case.

Acoustic level is not the same because air cooler reacts to CPU load rapidly, while water one has few minutes before temperature raises. If you take a coper pump and a coper radiator you will never see such corrosion. This is a fact for an elementary school

@@sc0or you do realize as soon as the water heats up from load that point is moot right? Fans only rev up and down to load if you don't have a proper fan curve set, this applies to fans on radiators as well.

Be quiet air coolers are quieter than most aio

AIO breaks= rip gpu and mobo

@@marcosundah4698 I think you mean cpu.

This. Never wanted to deal with liquid anything in my computer. Thankfully I never have to.

For 13 years I've done nothing but custom loops in my personal rig and never once had an issue. No pump failures, no leaks....nothing. Give it a try, much more rewarding than putting a boring air cooler in and calling it a day.

@@mikeschimminger7886 Yeah give it a try...until it fails day and u end up replacing $1000 worth of parts.

I mean Paul should know that seeing as he's wearing Wendell's shirt.

Yeah, but from the context of this video- it being the editor’s working machine- they needed a solid solution as soon as possible. Replacing the coolant seems like a cool idea, but a lot of messing around and time spent that they didn’t have in this case. Could make for a good future video though!

That removes the reason for getting an AIO in the 1st place, most people want to set it and forget it

@VanillaCoke I don't think anyone expects them to last "forever", not even an air cooler will do that. But I think everyone expects them to last longer than 3-6 months, lol.

My old enermax 240mm aio lasted about 3.5 years before gunking up. Thats respectable for a 70€ AIO But at this Point, im not gonna buy any of their stuff Till they sort out their shit

I have the cheapest Intel cooler that came with my i5 2300 and have had it for 6 years, almost 7 and it's not going to fail anytime soon👍

What motherboard do you have and is the D15 obstructing much?

​@@zarmaanful I looked at a few options for parts and picked a mix. I was happy with and would fit my needs and budget. Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master, NH-D15 (dual fan), Vengeance RGB pro (2x32=64GB -3600Mhz), MSI-RX 5700 XT 8GB Gaming X, 2x-MP510 1.9TB NVMe (Boot & games), 1x8TB internal HDD (for storage) - 4x8TB external HDD (for backup), Define R6, Gunmetal (no window). As for how, the NH-D15 effect some parts: I had move the fan above the ram slots, up a few fins on the NH-D15, as the RGB strip was touching it (low profile, non RGB would have required no movement). The fan still doesn't touch, the case side panel when closed. Not much space between, the MSI-GPU back plate (2.75x slot card = 297 x 58 x 140 mm) and the bottom of the NH-D15. I can't get my finger's between them to press the retaining latch/clip and the first PCI-E slot. But can use, a plastic trim tool or flat head screw driver to open and close it. if I need to remove/re-seat the GPU or access the 2 the NVMe slots/drives (currently in use) or remove the NH-D15. Air flow not a problem on the R6 (currently) 3x140 + 1x120 intake and only 3x140 exhaust (not 4, due to an 5.25 optical drive). I've not done a manual O/C the system and let the CPU/MOBO (PBO) take care of that. Boost up-to 4.7 on 2 cores, between 4.3-4.5 on the rest when gaming/streaming(OBS), benching (prime95, Cinebench, etc). I've not seen the system hit over 80C under load, so far and we had a few warm (30c - 85F) days, with no air-con. Hope that helps

@mister.T Jr No it's not solved, all AIO's will fail it's just a matter of time. They might not leak but the pump will eventually give way. Why bother when a good air cooler will do the job just as well and will never fail apart from the fan which is easily replaced.

@@SherLock55 This exactly, I've had 2 Corsair AIOs fail over the years, yet my "cheap" air coolers are still going strong even in my older systems from a decade ago. I won't go back to AIOs anymore.

Rob Emyrs. It's not the last few years. Air cooling has been a great choice for 9 years. Since the NH-D14 came out.

Rocking a D15. thats a 7 year old design i think yet is one of the best performers still.

Air cooling hasn't really changed that much. Even 10 years ago you could have bought a thicc boi air cooler that cooled a 2600k @4.7GHz down easiely. Even fans haven't got significantly quieter since then.

@@maYdaY1337 I think you're possibly a little out of touch with air coolers? They've evolved quite a bit in the last decade; not just the fans, but the nature and quality of the entire ensemble. Material technologies, heat piping, liquid within the heat pipes, arrangement and density of fins. I'll grant you, individually they may not be overwhelming - but combined as a complete package? It's quite substantial.

Air cooling is meh. It works but its boring. Half the fun of a custom loop is planning it and putting it all together...dont get that with a boring air cooler.

Why did he used a vacuum rather than a compressed air?

unlikely.

@@Mrx1080 I think he meant it being a big card and not fitting with the air cooler. It's possible.

@@Just_a_Tool The 3080 seems to run very hot, so the added performance of water systems may make a bigger difference. Or at least we'll need more GPU favored airflow.

@@draco89123 3090

Exactly

same

same

Same

Its 1 AIO(from enermax) from all other one that have no issue after more that 6 years. Terrible to generalize everythink cause of 1 terrible cooler. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7VzXHUTqE7E.html Gamers nexus is a fair more objective opinion.

@@user-Cata7sti7ma7 why would you ever pick liquid cooling over air?

Its 1 AIO that have this issue... Generalizing every AIO for 1 maker that do shit is terrible.

Same here

I’ve run an aio for years with no issue. It’s just this enermax model that has this issue.

i bought a deepcool castle 360 EX and i love it. low temps and they have anti leak technology and a good rep. Just do your research. There's a lot of memes on Enermax one being the infamous "my time has come" for processors.

@@SirQuacks no, there have been plenty of failures over time of all sorts of AIOs. If a pump fails, you lose 99% of your cooling, if it leaks, you potentially brick your entire system, and over time, they do weep liquid. Fan fails on an air cooler? you throttle a bit, and your PC gets quiet and it is pretty noticeable when it fails. Super easy to replace a fan, not super easy to get any money for replacement parts from AIO manufacturers if it is out of warranty and kills your system. So again, no it isn't "just this enermax model that has this issue", others have had similar and equally catastrophic issues.

he indicated that there's no time for that in this video

7:04 pay attention

@@georgemorley1029 He didn't specify if those shots were from other teardowns, or from this specific one...

@@eYeZiQ the teardowns at 2:44 are from Gamers Nexus, not Paul.

h100i is a decent AIO tho, Corsair generally makes decent kit, my h100i has been going on strong near 5 years now.

@@Jacob-ct7hc yep,,,most of my Corsair AIO've been working great, oldest one 6 years old!!

Got my H100i i 2013 and its still going strong now. Gave it a brush down with anti static brushes and its still good.

Same thing with Corsair AIO. I found out the tubes need to be inverted or vertical from the pump, up to the reservoir. It went from 89c at max load to 63c at max load. 32c at idle.

If it makes you feel better, I have a Corsair h100i dead on my coffee table. It lasted about 8ish years before going tits up end or march. Threw "CPU Fan Errors" to the motherboard, so system wouldn't boot. My next build (later this year) I'm going to try a custom water loop because I've never done that, and I need challenges to keep me fresh. (Never did one before. Yeah, I know where to buy those blue shop towels. Yeah, I know I'm crazy. I have the internet handle to prove it.)

Cryorig R1, Phantek PH-TC14PE , Deepcool Assassin 3, *Exist* Just to give equally viable alternatives.

Had a 7 year old H50 go out and start leaking onto my motherboard. Luckily none of the whitish fluid damaged anything the mother board. Got a fan on it now but will be sticking with air cooling on new build.

My Corsair H60 has been trucking for 6 years with no issue.

my H70 is still trucking cooling a 3770k@4.3 after 7 years

I also had a water cooling that I was using for eight years and cero problems, I think the failures of it only depends on if you are lucky or not.

Same on a 4790k (6.5yr). Won't even throttle on the balanced setting, so it never gets loud.

I really hope I get lucky with my h150i 😭

there is no D15 for TR4

@@infi84 Didn't know that, thank you. At the pace Noctua work at, they'll probably release a TR4 compatible D15 in about 6 years.

Bequiet have a TR4 Dark rock 4 x)

Noctua's biggest TR4 cooler is the "NH-U14S TR4-SP3" (catchy name!) and seems quite good. noctua.at/en/nh-u14s-tr4-sp3

It looks like it's a Shark Navigator. I saw that because the handle looks a lot like mine just in a different color.

I’m dying to know this answer!!

Vacuum isn't that important, that bristle attachment is the interesting thing and many vacuum brands/models have those.

"Lowkey" most useless word/words ever.

I thought vacuuming you pc was a bad idea.?

I think this is a field repair job, get the pc up and running with a TR4 cooler that's hanging around. Later they can do another video with an air cooler like a Noctua NH-D30X which replaces the case side panel with a cooling fin stack and a 300mm fan

@@soupwizard is that noctua cooler you're talking about made up or a real thing that is comming tho? :o

I replaced my Wraith Ripper with an NH-U14S TR4-SP3 (catchy name, Noctua) a week ago. Massive upgrade. At full synthetic load I maintain an all-core clock of 3.6-3.7GHz with my 2950X. The wraith ripper was a one way ticket 3.2GHz or lower.

It's fine. The bracket is what's holding the cooler and is extremely unlikely to fail. I've seen a motherboard warp but only because a screw or two got loose. Even then the cooler hardly moved downward. Besides that GPU doesn't appear to have any extra support so in a year it'll have sagged away from the cooler. That should be the anxiety inducing part, really.:P

You would be surprised that the wraithripper isnt as heavy as people make it out. Been using one since they came out. Zero sag zero problems.

I would have more anxiety having an AIO radiator filled with liquid hanging above my components.

I agree, esp. for heat reasons. CPUs get hot and GPU backplates get hot. But, hopefully they've checked the numbers and there weren't any issues.

Weeb

@@agrisimfarming he's gotta find jerk material for the spank bank somewhere. Lol

Weeb

Yes! The damn glasses fog up even when it's 25 °C outside🙁

They forgot about the brace! Lul

Yeah, wow.. Also there is a lot of stuff missing from the back of that case.

IO shields are mainly for cosmetics. The worst you'll get from no IO shield is probably just a little dust 👍

@@ph0roggy I know what i am gonna say is probably the most bizzare and one in a trillion scenario but here it goes: I had a system with no IO shield sitting on floor then one day i heard noises so i investigated and it turned out a rat made its home/food cache in it. Was a weird surprise when i pointed the torch on the front panel and saw the little dudes cute little face.

@@zarmaanful this is awfully cute and wholesome my day has been made

They are, but the lifespan is more limited, and there are those additional points of failure...pump, seals, etc.

@@cbysmith if that's not the definition of unreliable, idk what is. I've had the same air cooler for 5 years, and I bet it won't fail soon. (And the only maintenance I do is blowing it once a year with my breath).

Yeah. I prefer custom water cooling or a good air cooler over any AIO, doesn't matter which AIO it is.

@@MirelRC yup either go FULL water cooling or just go air cooling. I don't know why the AIOs.

Nzxt kraken's are pretty reliable and they have a good warranty on them

He may not have had one available, but the Noctua cooler is a bit more compact and still hits the cooling numbers.

If you are smart like me, you will never buy liquid cooling.

Ouch! Tough way to learn

i am still not convinced whether the risks/maintenance of water cooling are worth it for me, i still prefer a big air cooler. i'll probably eventually have to go with a water cooled cpu when i upgrade to big boy stuff in the future though...

It didn't develop it. You broke it. Tubes don't just develop random leaks over just sitting in the case.

@@boost800 AIOs typically don't need any maintenance, which is one advantage over air coolers.

nah mate, it's only you.