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As a hockey Fan from Mannheim.. I clearly remember Seider's rookie Season in Mannnheim and during that season.. visiting a road game in Schwenningen as a Fan. and all of a sudden i'm on my way to get another beer and all of a sudden Yzerman stands a couple of feet away from me.. At that time still in service of Tampa (Possibly trying to scout potential late 1st round draft picks) ... But I remember staying up during the night to watch the draft from germany... and when Yzerman walked up the stairs I remembered seeing him scout Seider in Person... And when he actually called his name... my mind was blown! :D
As a lifelong detroit/michigan/wing native, I love this story. But I also appreciate that this is what it's all about. This video does well to capture the essence of your story. Thank you for adding to it
@@Potent_TechmologyHe needs a little bit of veteran leadership. He's playing some of the toughest minutes in the league. He's still young, he's still learning. If he has a stay at home pair he can tune into his off upside next season. Also, he has 30 less points in 40 less games as a defenseman v cozens being a centerman
@@Potent_Techmology Whatever, it's still to early to pretend that we both know what we are talking about. The wings sorely need a solid center so I'll give you that. RHD like Seider don't come around all that often either. Pretty sure a 20 year captain in the league has better judgement than an ass clown such as yourself.
I'm a lifelong Avs fan, and slowly but surely the Red Wings are becoming one of my second favourite teams. Anyone who knows anything about hockey knows I don't say that lightly haha. Seider is outstanding, and Edvinsson will be just as good. Very intriguing to see Yzerman build a really promising group, and maybe not relevant in this comment but man, those uniforms are beautiful.
That’s true. The Redwings are very good at letting players develop. From what I hear from Steve in his interviews is that he would much rather a young player play a big role and develop in the minors rather than rush a prospect into a smaller roll on the NHL team!
@@thenickfoxx I don't think I did. OP said if he was drafted by a worse team he wouldn't have developed like he did. But Red Wings are trash. So what did I miss??
@@Landry04 I can’t see jack not being the first pick, I think he’s going to be a very very special player, not that seider won’t. Jack might just be a different kind of special
Stevie "Y" spent his entire career watching the best defenceman hone his skills, in Lidstrom. Yzerman is a thinker and this was just his hockey IQ showing up the GM's and scouts less capable of his uncanny instincts. Tampa was pretty much build from this ability and now Detroit is about to roll too!
Yserman played with the best defenders at that time: Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Fetisov, Coffey, Murphy, Chelios. Stevie's choice was based not only on the experience of one player, but of a whole generation of brilliant players and masters of their role.
@@crykamikaze you may be right, although Coffey is questionable, he was a 1 dimensional player, even Bowman didn't like him, I played with Coff many moons ago... I still think Lidstrom was his template, although Mo definitely has an edge physically Lidstrom didn't have.
@@williamwilliam728 Mo reminds me of something of a cross between Lidstrom and Konstantinov. He’s not quite the flawless defender who is in the right spot every time, but he adds that Vladdy-esque physicality that Lidstrom never had. He’s sort of a hybrid of both in that I can see traits from both guys in him, without him being exactly like one or the other.
@@Pablum444 He still could be. He's only 21. Jason Robertson didn't break out until he was 21 as a recent example. You can only really judge a rookie's career path at 23-24 years old. Anything before that is too early. Not everyone is Matthews, McDavid, Crosby, etc. A guy like Valeri Nichushkin didn't actually blossom until 25-27 with Colorado, because Dallas was just an awful environment for him, clearly. The team's coach, systems, etc. you get stuck with matters. It explains why so many picks in Montreal went bust too - development was clearly a problem there as well.
Blackhawks got dach who is far from an amazing player. Weather that’s the Blackhawks fault for not developing him or not, you can’t call him amazing yet
In a redraft he would probably go 2nd imo, I think Hughes has a ton of potential still so I’d take him first and you can probably make the argument for byram 2 but seider’s year this year was jsut much better. It’ll be super fun to see how all of these players play next season
@@t-fly8132 Lol i think you missed the entire top 6 on the AVs and makar/manson playing, Byram was extremely impressive especially with his limited play before hand but you're being ridiculous.
Yzerman had been INCREDIBLE the past 3 years. Seider was a leadoff home run, for sure, but rounds 2 through 6 are looking REALLY good too! Johansson, Buium, Wallinder, Soderblom, Toumisto, Lombardi, Hanas, Buchelnikov.... There is SO MUCH talent beyond Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and Kasper. Yzerman restocked the cupboard in just THREE YEARS! That's pretty insane!
@@timmygressler7468 oh yeah, Cossa. I know people are getting attached to a lot of these names but there are going to be a LOT of changes before this team competes. The recent signing spree should help obtain future assets down the road though. Things are looking pretty good.
prior to the 2019 draft i was really hoping my Penguins would get the chance to draft Sieder as i though he would be a great top 4 dman but even i was shocked he went 6th overall. I immediately dunked on my cocky red wings fan for the wings reaching pretty hard..... if only i knew what the future would hold. Sieder is already a damn good defenseman and he's only going to get better
You can't predict how good a player is by their draft order. There is too many busts in the top 10 picks, and we already know several round 2-6 players have actually become super stars. People need to learn to judge a rookie in year 4 or 5, not year 1-3 or even prior to that. Even if a rookie is terrible in X years for one team, they could completely change with another team. Valeri Nichushkin is a good example of this. Dallas was just not the team for him - it wasted so many years for him.
He played in the German hockey division for quite a while, and he was undoubtably one of the best in the league. Ofcourse the German hockey league is not one of the best, but he wasnt really a rookie who only played junior and has to get used to the physicality in a mens league.
I don't think it's 5 teams passed on him, because a lot of people said Yzerman could've had Sieder at around pick 20. Yzerman just knew this kid had top 2 potential and decided to not fool around and grab his guy with his 6th overall pick.
It was leaked at some point that Montreal had him at the top of their board by pick 5. Confirming he would’ve been gone at 15 at the latest. Which shows it was the right move and that at least one other team was just as high on him.
@@xRyeBredx Remember that the new-at-the-time Edmonton GM was Ken Holland, who just a few months earlier had been Red Wings GM. He no doubt would have been discussing upcoming draft picks with other Red Wings staff, who would then know that Holland was interested in Seider. Yes, it seems unseemly to use this sort of inside information. But the Red Wings staff knew what they knew. There really was no way for them to erase their memories of their recent conversations with Holland.
@@jeremykraenzlein5975 As an Oilers fan I wish Holland told the Detroit that Seider was garbage and that he hated him only to then trick the Wings and sneaky pick in 8th overall. What a team we would have had now. Easy cup win let’s go!
@@dwaynethewokjohnson7773 There are a lot of things that we all wish had gone differently. As a Detroit fan who still reflexively roots against Colorado, I wish that this year's Western Conference Finals could have had a different result. One thing to keep in mind is that when discussing prospects with his scouting staff in 2017, 2018, and early 2019, Holland had no idea that he would be leaving soon. Even when Yzerman was hired in April 2019, the original plan was for Holland to stay on as assistant GM. That was all announced and ready to go, and Yzerman and Holland worked together on the Red Wings off-season for a month. Then we were all surprised when Holland abruptly announced "Change of plans: I'm going to Edmonton". He subsequently said that he was surprised himself how quickly he missed being the top guy making the final decisions. Also, while Holland has gotten a lot of criticism for some of his calls in recent years, he had a lot of success before that. He became GM in 1997 as Detroit had just become the champion, but then abruptly lost another awesome defenseman. Vladimir Konstantinov was still under contract for one more year, but his career was suddenly ended by a tragic limo accident. Holland immediately had the job of building the next year's team to fill in the gap of the missing all-star defenseman, and he did well enough as shown by the team's repeat the next year. He would later also build the championship teams of 2002 and 2008.
Same logic goes to Caul Caufield dropping to #15, people will always find reasons to doubt. Players are just drafted too young in the NHL, since barely 1 or 2 play their first year, they should seriously delay the draft year until players are 19 year old instead of 18.
Anyone unsure of Yzerman's ability to scout talent is not paying attention... look what he did in Tampa in what ... 6 years? Stevie is back home and I can't wait to see what he ends up building here 😍 🙌
1. Hughes. MTL taking Slafkovsky and missing out on Johnny Hockey isn't making me scream 100 pts. He'll still put 80 pts on a lackluster Devils team, and he'll need the right supporting cast. 2. Kakko has been ruined by David Quinn and injuries and being overshadowed by Panarin, Kreids, and Zibanejad. If he plays 82 games this year, I think he'll put up 50 pts comfortably. 3. Dach. Being with Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, and Anderson who he can pass the puck to, he'll have a breakout season. 4. Byram. He has a cup. Nothing else to mention 5. Turcotte. Too hard to judge based on 8 games. In a redraft, I'd take Seider in the top 3 minimum.
Dach spent three years passing the puck to Kane and DeBrincat, who are both miles better than anyone on the Canadiens, and he was HORRIFIC in that role. He’s not going to breakout going to an even worse team than the hawks.
Offense was not the reason for the devs position in the standings, it was actually the only really good, jacks 60 something points was not a surprise because he did have very good a young wingers and he’s electric, he could have gotten more if he wasn’t injured for a little
I’m a full time editor and do freelance work on the side. I’ve been binging your content lately and it’s great all the way from the beginning. Just wanted to point out that your editing has also been progressing like seider 😉 keep it up man love the content
The draft was stacked so I don't blame a couple teams passing on him but I mean look at bo Byram. I think he could be FANTASTIC once he starts getting healthy. He hasn't played much because of the injuries but he also seems like he could be a Norris trophy winner
Seider is probably the one player who you really want on your team because his game will transfer into his veteran years, with that said Zegras and hughes are phenomenal players with a higher upside but i could see seider being the most conistent. As for byram and Newhook i think its too early and limited with them to really know.
Rob. You have a lot of good takes. But giving a rookie year, when some of these guys have played multiple seasons saying he hasn’t seen turbulence is kinda missing the point. Maybe this video should have been made after his sophomore season.
He has had a bigger impact than all the players mentioned prior except maybe Jack Hughes, but the difference is this is his Rookie season. Sure he could drop off but I think that’s a pretty weak argument based on his past history and what he did this year under such a weak wings team.
@@yeetywet5490 injuries are what have taken Bo and Hughes out. Just throwing it out there people get hurt. It’s not like Bo beside injury has not been impactful.
2:57. Wings then-Director of Scouting Tyler Wright had someone else in mind and you can see it in his expression that he wasn't thrilled that Yzerman chose a defenseman instead of a power forward like Couzens, Zegras, and Podkolzin. Apparently, Euro Director Hakan Andersson was quite adamant that the Wings should draft Seider over the objections of Wright. Yzerman let go of Wright who was then hired by Holland in EDM. I trust the Yzerplan.
@@lesevesel2898 Yup it made no sense because we needed a defenseman so badly and Holland goes with Zadina just because he fell down. Best part about Yzerman is that he has a plan and he'll stick to that plan unless adjustments are needed. Had Yzerman been hired early he would have drafted Hughes instead of Zadina, Imagine Hughes on the left and Seider on the right. Good riddance to Ken Holland and Tyler Wright.
First, we do have to remember these guys are still 21 or so, which means all these players could blow up more in coming seasons. As an Av fan, have to say it, Byram might have challenged Seider for Calder if not got concussions & that PP time is eaten up by Makar & Towes. If he play like he does in playoffs, Seider & Byram will be the top two players from 2019 draft. But, actually, I wanted Avs to go Seider at 4. Should be a fun future. Though before you say he's getting multiple Norris, have to say that there have never been as many great young Ds than currently play right now. Hope Seider stays healthy his whole career.
Five teams passed on Seider. Yet, going into the draft, he was projected to go twentieth. Seider was shocked to go sixth. But he proved to be even better than his own expectations.
I guarantee that the Red Wings push for a playoff spot with the Bruins missing one of their best scorers and top defenseman and the Maple Leafs with questionable goaltending I could see the Red Wings pushing the wildcard spot
@@mikhailalexandrovich9507 that’s true but I’m hoping for the Red Wings to make the playoffs it would just make me feel better knowing that Boston and Toronto have a chance to miss the playoffs lol
Stevie Y supposedly picked him like 5-10 picks early, the draft analysts said he should’ve traded down, one of the biggest draft steals, the crowd’s reaction to the pick too😂
As a NYR fan i am glad we went with Kakko. He hasn't turned out as i had hoped thus far, and there is a strong chance he may end up getting traded if he doesn't level up this year, but my hope is that he is logging consistent 2nd line if not 1st line minutes at RW. In NHL 22 Be A Pro he is my 1RW playing on my line and putting up a decent season. He's more of a defensive forward on a line Breadman and me as pivot though.
Hi Rob, Im a big fan. I would appreciate hearing your opinion. In my fantasy league, I have to keep 6 of my players this season. We are turning our league into a dynasty league. I have 4 forwards locked up, Matthews, Eichel, Stuzle, J. Hughes. I then have Makar and was planning to keep Seider. After the season he is having, I'm considering keeping Josh Morrissey over Seider. I know the expectations for Seiders future, but do you see Morrissey keeping this pace up and being the better pick for the next few seasons? Would love to hear your opinion. Thanks
Newhook could be solid 2C from this draft, unfortunately for him he had to come into a stacked win-now avs roster meaning his role was set to be fairly limited. Kadri leaving might be the best thing for his career.
I think it's funny how people point out how people laughed about that pick way to early, but are now also way too early to praise the pick. Seider had an amazing rookie season, that's all so far. There are many players from this draft who do have the potential to break out and have a much better career than Seider. Seider would not be the first guy coming over from Europe with a pretty impressive rookie season and then developing much slower than other guys. Already having played against grown men in Europe simply makes it easier to adjust to the higher level of physicality compared to guys who played junior or college hockey before.
He carried his defensive partner all season long while producing top tier. The kid plays way ahead of his age for a young defensemen and you can see it if you watch him night in and night out. Very excited to see where his career ends up as he has a great attitude and work ethic.
@@dr1vebyninja101 he played ahead of his age, because he was already used to playing against grown men. That's the whole point. It is very possible that he's just ahead in his development than his competition, but also much closer to his ceiling
not sure I agree with best in the class, yes Hughes first two seasons werent the best, but he also has over 100 pts, over 160 gp, and last season was on a 43 goal 94 point pace. Yet, its also premature to assume this point production will remain, remember, nail yakupov had a 53 point pace his rookie season before never reaching that again. So, I think that claim is very premature
You did this with Elias Petersson and now you need to make that one about Makar. WAY too early to evaluate last years draft, also Cale>Elias any day, chill with the hot takes
When talking about being surprised about Kakko’s poor development, I wish you said “which really surprised me, especially after all of the comments from Finnish fans on my first video” 😂😂
These seider vids are a hindsight. He wasn't even a top 10 pick in ANY draft catalog or mock draft. Stevie Y went out on a line to get this, people were wondering whyyyyyyyy. But he showed up for sure and talked the talk while walking the walk.
It’s apparent that people in thes comments don’t watch jack Hughes play. He was in a line with two guys who are currently 3rd line talent (Mercer and sharangovitch) both have potential but aren’t there yet. He also was on one of the worst power plays and He still was well over ppg and if he played all 82 games would have dropped a minimum of 40 goals and 94 points as a 20 year old.. Zegras and mo are impressive and will probably be stars but jack is 100% the best player currently and moving forward.
I feel like no-one complained about this video telling you that you are wrong and made mistakes so,,, I feel that I have to play that role, not because I want to,, but,, because someone has to do it or, this would not be in the traditions of a YT comment section. I know that usually people who shit on your videos have no content of their own on YT but,, this is the best I could do. Ha ha ha. Have a good day mate. :D
I mean if jack hughes decided to play a year at college he would of never seen a “down year”. Wouldn’t knock him for taking the hardest and most challenging route to the nhl. Still not sold on the idea that seider is better then jack Hughes but time will tell.
He’s not necessarily a “better player”…one’s a Forward ones a Defenseman, but I will say the Red Wings win a Cup before the Devils, Seider will have more of an impact than Hughes…
@@p3t3ymac96 not really. Holland left the Red Wings in shambles. They are on the back end of a full scale rebuild with better young talent than the Devils…The Devils need Hughes to score 40 goals and have 100 points to be relevant….
Why would you dump on Michael Bunting and signal him out like that? Like what kind of bullshit is that? Just list his name like everyone else you listed. There was no reason to signal him out like he didn't matter. He has 2x as many votes as Raymond and he actually led in points and was #2 in both goals and assists. That's so unprofessional. And before people say it's because he played with Marner and Matthews, he was getting points on every line he played on, and as we saw with Nick Ritchie, playing with Matthews and Marner is no guarantee you will be a 60-point player. Regardless of age, Bunting qualified and he deserves respect for his accomplishment. And yes, he does even if you hate the Leafs too, which just makes these content creators chilish. He was 3rd in Calder voting - say his fucking name.
How about we stop putting so much into mock drafts? Hockey writers are NOT the same as scouts, GMs, Coaches, etc. Detroit has a strong history in Europe and great scouting there. That's why Mo worked in Detroit.
I should also state he had people at every step who fostered his development path. His move to the SHL was especially smart as Detroit has like half a dozen high level prospects playing there. He had a chance to meet these guys and play with/against them. In a few years they will dominate the roster. Just wait and see.
Byrams game is going to take longer but he also had to come up on an Exponentially better team and he has a way more polished offense and puck moving game then seider.
You could use the better team as in argument in the other direction as well ist easier 2 play with good teammates it's harder to make the team yea but it's easier to make plays and have good stats if everyone around you is good
@@finneich5105 i guess but Bo looked good on his own and made his own plays on the biggest stage and held the cup. To your point if Seider was on the avs I guarantee he has similar development if not worse
