Why Were So Many Dutch Jews Deported in World War II? 

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thank so much. Lump in my throat after your fine clear discription of your grandmother & her life

I guess you omitted the suviving Lady & family were Jews ?

So brave of her mother to push her out of the train.

That's where it came down to. Thanks for your reply!

That is the biggest protest action of the Dutch during German occupation. Really fucking pathetic.

@@Oost129 Your source on the Talmud, "What the Talmud Says" was produced by a Russian Orthodox priest in collaboration with the Tsarist Ohrkana secret police. Same as "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." The actual Talmud is 15,000 pages long, written in a handful of languages, some extinct. Reading the Talmud is for specialists, of which you are certainly not one.

@@Oost129 YOU Sir, are a Nazi apologists. Kindly see your way out!!

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I've never heard of that movie. Will definitely be on my list of things to watch

Many thanks for your reply.

Killing of soldiers by ununiformed civilians is illegal under the Geneva Convention and little wonder the Germans took reprisal. No army tolerates such action as seen in Vietnam.

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Well I invite you to watch the video and found it if this is really the case.

I agree, I remember registering the birth of my first born son. Had to fill in my religion, I filled in Christian, that was rejected. I had to fill in what church denomination. That was in my case: none. With other words the Germans only had to search through the birth and death registration and would find the address of every Jew in that city.

Once the well compiled records were compliantly handed over (not destroyed) it was all up for the Jews!

Marc Vloeberghs Hebben jullie Vlamingen nu ook al last van engelse ziekte?

In WW1 Holland remained neutral, and wasn't occupied by the Germans, unlike Belgium. Many assumed the same thing would happen in WW2. So Belgian Jews could either leave or hide in time. The Dutch Jews left things far too late, by the time they realised what was happening.

De Dokwerker, a statue dedicated to the strike, is a very powerdull image depicten strength and defiance.

@@dpt6849 is employing tactics used by bullies here, by which bullies make up / invent reasons to put the blame for their own insecurities and failure on a person or group they perceive as weak, so these cowards can safely expect to not face retaliation. By this method they try to excuse to themselves their horrible behaviour towards that person or group inventing a reason that they 'deserve' it. Exhibit A. The real problem lies with the bully, Dp T is Exhibit B here, who instead of facing their problems and taking their responsibility for their own role in their failures, find it easier to blame somebody else. As we all know bullies are the actual arseholes.

It is not exactly relevant though. A day’s delay doesn’t matter that much

@@FaceAway-xb9hd Who said anything about American Education? A little refresher in reading comprehension might be in order.

I have read about her yes.

true words. but we will may never know for sure who betrayed Anne Frank and therefore responsible for their deaths.

There was a large Research with international experts, its not long ago, about a year or so. The conclusion from the Researchers was shocking, so the medial voices about that are pretty rare and devensive

Half her diary is fake written by her father after the war, he even admitted this.

@@aka99 Don't be stupid! Anne died of a disease in a hospital in Germany, her old man died in the USA well after the war. He was convicted of swindling the author of Anne's diaries out of $50,000 in the USA.

Thanks for your reply Paul.

Was she ever curious about her Dutch roots and family left in the Netherlands? There's lots of ways people can make us of to search for information about their families, you can sift through your entire family tree since a lot is documented and "publicly" available. Some of my family members also left the Netherlands and immigrated to Australia. I'm currently trying to find out information about them. Unsuccesful so far. 🧐

Bedankt Henk!

Awesome. Many thanks!!

Agree, its top notch!

I doubt that was the case. After the war a large research was done by Lou de Jong, but he did the whole story and perhaps neglected. Like I said in the video historians have done research now. Please watch the video if you haven't.

@@HistoryHustle I watched the whole video, and Lou De Jong was exactly the historian I referred to. He wrote 14 books about the war, but he left this topic completely out. I am doing research about industrial production and. cooperation with the German industry in the Benelux countries during occupation, so it is also out of my scope, but it really got my attention. And also in this video, I found no answers, maybe a new topic for myself in future, first have to finish mine. ;)

I also remember "basement"-story. I also thought wtf this is a pretty lame and lazy statement of this team of historians, which apparently further chose just to ignore it. It also made me doubt somewhat about the explanations mentioned in this video. I am not saying, they are not correct, but with such a huge elephant left in the room, really still needs research to make the picture about WW2 in the Netherlands more complete.

@@luxembourger I am just totally guessing and "brainstorming": Maybe many Jews in Limburg came from Eastern Europe and were more aware what could happen duo to anti-semitism in their countries of origin. Also Limburg is near the German border and both sides dense populated and industrialised, so probably many direct contacts and "first-hand" information out of Germany. (Note that in the German border city Aachen the NSDAP did not win any election and was never really popular). I agree, it was and is really really worthy for research, unfortunately most witnesses (from both sides of the border) are not around us anymore, maybe it is impossible to get a clear picture.

@@vanCaldenborgh I just watched this but the persecution of the Jews in the east before the wars1and2 probably are a huge marker .and is left out . What was the cultures before the great wars ?? .

Please check the video and see if this is true.

​@@HistoryHustle yup you said a historian rejects this claim but didnt really go into detail why it was rejected. Can you spell the historians name so i could research it further?

See below the video under SOURCES.

Sad history.

Sad to read. Thanks for your reply!

Thanks for updating and expanding my history.

Thank you Jonathan.

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Thank you Otis!

Thanks for sharing.

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True. In reality the Dutch hoping to remain neutral again were far from keen to take in Jewish refugees from the potential enemy Germany. They plonked them in miserable , distant, bleak Westerbork camp. Netherlands amongst 99% of nations after the Evian Conference (to find a solution try & settle German & Austrian fleeing Jews) was a complete failure.! So called decent countries like US, Canada, Australia & New Zealand refused outright to accept but the barest minimum and often none like Australia. It was the harshest possible enviroment to be a Jew in Europe and all this contributed towards their massive vulnerability and subsequent deportations & deaths.

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@@HistoryHustle HAHAHA!

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@@HistoryHustle yessss

I believe that in Bulgaria was the same..Tsar Boris protected his subjects

Finland never joined the Axis.

@@alswann2702 Yes, it's true. Finland wasn't in the Axis but fought on the same side to survive.

even now the Finns are an honourable tough people.

Many thanks for your kind words.

Jews were the self-proclaimed enemies of Germany! They said so in headlines.

Many thanks Jesse as always!

Thanks Carl 👍

Thanks for your reply.

I've heard such stories as well.

Lemme know if you remember the name.

@@HistoryHustle Jacob Lentz

Hopefully one day.

You're welcome Rob. Thanks for watching.

Believe he did play a major role in the deportation of Jews from Belgium.

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Much more to cover yes, thanks for your reply.

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@@HistoryHustle Good video also , as always👍🏻

Incomparable circumstances & situation! "chalk & cheese". Check out the differences

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That's a good point but what about the regions Alsace/Moselle in France annexed to the Third Reich by Hitler because he considered they were ethnically Germans. Most of the ones who went to fight for the Germans were enlisted by force in the Wehrmacht or in the Waffen SS.

The ethnic german dutch volunteers would still have been a considerably small minority as most dutch volunteers where actual dutch people who where right wing and very anti communist.

Sounds interesting.

@@HistoryHustle Known as Ondergang in Dutch, absolute must reading.

I have read it twice. Its well written and explains all too clearly. Its a hard & necessary read. Try also "Hitlers Bounty Hunters" by Ad Van Liempt. The only effective bounty system to find, rob and deport Jews in any occupied country

T NG What do you call liberation? That limey's and yankees conquered Western Europe and stabbing the Germans in the back?

I thought of this initially, but then realized that the Frank family was deported in September 1944. By that time most Dutch Jews had already been deported. So even if by some miracle the Allies would've liberated Belgium and the Netherlands in one blow in September 1944, the numbers wouldn't have differed that much.

Her father added a few annotations to it

Indeed, Anne wrote most of it herself yes. Serbian people also suffered badly in WW2.

Strange you omit the Germans received from the Mussert Dutch Nazi party, a mostly cooperative local Police, compliant civil service and those horrific Dutch civilians who acted as Bounty Hunters of Jews. Can I suggest you read in English or Dutch "Hitler's Bounty Hunters" by Ad Van Liempt. Berg Publishers. "Ashes in the Wind" -the destruction of Dutch Jewry by Dr Jacob Presser. Souvenir Press publishers. "Nazi Looting -the plundering of Dutch Jewry " by Gerard Aalders. Berg Publishers. The above combined with this useful & well thoughtout video will explain how & why so few Jews survived in Netherlands

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True!

I fully agree, but one thing is important to note in comparing: Denmark was treated relatively well by the nazis because it was not strategically important to them and ironically enough because they complied. The nazis let the government of Denmark continue to function normally. Germany allowed Denmark to keep its king, its government, and its military. The situation there was very different from what happened in the Netherlands.

Not really interested in episodes about ONE person but maybe some day in the future. Could be an interesting format...

respect to you & your family. Thank you for sharing this touching & moving account.

Hi Kevin, really appreciate this. Thanks.

Dank voor het kijken 👍

Which brave men?

Many thanks for your reply.

Already covered.

@@HistoryHustle Greenland was occupied by the American Army btw

Much more to cover yes.

Dank voor het kijken.

The book Mein Kampf was written before the deportation of Dutch Jews.

@@HistoryHustle not to mention it's a terribly written, irrational piece of ''literature'' thought up by a maniac and transcribed by a buffoon.

Thanks for sharing this.

Many thanks for your reply Marcos.

Nice dog by the way.

@@phlm9038 C'mon... It is a lonely sigma wolf. 👍

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Indeed.

Don't know actually! I think that happened but not sure.

Fijne kerst!

Interesting. Didn't know this.

Perhaps one day. I am traveling now in South America till July.

This video is about Dutch Jews and that has nothing to do with the fate of the Jews in Romania and Bessarabia.

Thanks for sharing.

@@HistoryHustle It would be interesting to put a light on such arts and other values that be transfered in such days. The ownership of arts and other things often bring people in the focus of the Nazis and is well known that Görong and other nazi collectors had a strong relationship to galleries and art agents. Such so called "entartete Kunst" was transfered to get neutral currencies or other goods. The name "Achenbach" and others was often in such papers of robbery and looting jewish owned arts. Also jewelery and fine things like flamish lamps or furniture were transfered and looted. Even the house stuff of jewish people be looted or given to a public auction in all over europe. Things of cooperations also had a background to establish a safe position for the owners of companies. A lot of tracks for the Wehrmacht half track vehicles were made in the netherlands.

Nope. Watch the video.

@@HistoryHustle i know, but there are tares in every wheat. sarah's key - french movie ..

Communism and subversion?

Too detailed for this episode.

Good question. Well eventually the Germans did take this region as well. I think initially this was done either to "befriend" a part of the French population and to spare resources, but I'm not sure. I someone knows, do share!

@@HistoryHustle someone told me that the South of France was a poor region and not economically viable so no interest in occupation. I find it strange as surely it could have possibly used as a stepping stone to invade Europe

Yes the Germans were more interested in northern France for its industries. The south of France was the garden of France, producing vegetables and fruits. Also the Germans needed their soldiers to fight on the eastern front. After the armistice signed in June 1940, Petain, the leader of the collaborative government known as Vichy, was in charge of enforcing the laws of the Nazis in the south of France. By the way, France was divided in more than two zones : The two departements of "North" and "Pas-de-Calais" were attached to the German administration in Brussels. The regions Alsace/Moselle were annexed to the Third Reich. All the western coastline was part of a "forbidden zone". The Atlantic Wall. Other forbidden territories went from the town of Saint-Valery-sur-Somme to the Swiss border, called the Nordostlinie. Hitler was intending to start a mechanism of colonization there. The idea was that German colonizers settled in this region called "Ostland" in order to recreate one of the former Frankish Empire. Other territories in south east of France were occupied by Italians till September 1943. A real patchwork !

@@phlm9038 thanks for the reply you can't always get a good explanation from a google search, you have explained it well thankyou

@@Adrian-ju7cm You are welcome.

I should check it out.

Which sources and historians confirm your claims?

@@HistoryHustle I suggest that you do as I did: Visit the towns and cities of the Netherlands where there are Synagogue buildings, but no Jews, and ask the older local people what happened to the Jews and why this happened. I found many of the answers both shocking and contradicting the sanitised and formalised Dutch history.

@@HistoryHustle I suggest that you read the books written by H.J. Van Baalen as an example of what happened to the Netherland's Jews in many smaller towns. and cities. Van Baalen wrote mainly about the history of the Jewish community of Deventer.

You have the courage to say how it was and add a little extra to my own comment (with three useful book suggestions) Not forgetting some of the few returning Dutch Jews were presented with UTILITY bills during "their forced absences", many refusals to return their looted homes and a general hostility & surprise to see the" impudent "Jews actually returning. It has to be said. However, of course, not forgetting the very brave gentile Dutch who risked their lives trying to save & hide their fellow Jewish & other citizens.

Feel free to share your source on this. According to historians - as I pointed out - the registration system did help but didn't attribute to the high numbers.

@@HistoryHustle I would recommend the book called ''De boekhouders van de holocaust - Nederlandse ambtenaren en de collaboratie'' from Rob Bakker. In this book the author sums up all the ''painful'' data and concludes that the dutch government was institutional antisemitic and a great contributor to the deportation of over 100.000 dutch jews.

Sounds interesting. The claim that the Dutch government was institutional antisemitic is something I have to research. Do notice the Dutch government was gone and had fled to England.

@@HistoryHustle Yes the queen and the kabinet fled to London. However, the government consisted of some 200.000 ambtenaren or civil servants and also people to take over the functions of ministers. All areas that were left vacant were quickly filled. I hope you will research it and maybe even make a video about it! I will look forward to it

Another brave and accurate reply. Remember also if you were christian Dutch in the early years of the occupation your life was not so bad with few privations. After all they were used to living beside the Germans and knew them well. Much of their actions at the expense of the Jews was aimed at contining as best as possible a quiet life.

Partially. Please watch the video.

It was the main reason along with the dutch registration of citizens.

Zou goed kunnen ja.

Alles goed beschrijven in het boek: Kopgeld. Dat werdt ook betaald aan Joden die voor de SD werkten en bv op stations mensen aanspraken met een joodse uiterlijk om ze dan te arresteren.

When they sold the newly developed system they could hardly had envisaged its horrific usefulness - could they ?

@@gordonspicer IBM was a CO-PLAYER from the start, they were there themselves. The punch card technology of IBM and its German subsidiary DEHOMAG through their Hollerith machines helped Nazi Germany in the persecution of Jews and other ‘‘unerwünschte Volksgruppen’’. On April 12, 1933, the German government announced plans to conduct a long-delayed national census. The project was particularly important to the Nazis as a mechanism for the identification of Jews, Roma, and other ethnic groups deemed undesirable by the regime. DEHOMAG offered to assist the German government in its task of ethnic identification, focusing upon the 41 million residents of Prussia. This activity was not only countenanced by Thomas Watson and IBM in America, but was actively encouraged and financially supported, with Watson himself traveling to Germany in October 1933 and the company ramping up its investment in its German subsidiary from 400,000 to 7,000,000 Reichsmark-about $1 million (equivalent to $22.6 million in 2022).  This injection of AMERICAN capital allowed DEHOMAG to purchase land in Berlin and to construct IBM's first factory in Germany, thereby "tooling up for what it correctly saw as a massive financial relationship with the Hitler regime". Documents show a "secret deal" was made which allowed DEHOMAG commercial powers outside of Germany, enabling the "now Nazified" company to "circumvent and supplant" various national subsidiaries and licensees by "soliciting and delivering punch card solution technology directly to IBM customers in those territories". As a result, Nazi Germany soon became the second most important customer of IBM after the lucrative U.S. market. The 1933 census, with design help and tabulation services provided by IBM through its German subsidiary, proved to be pivotal to the Nazis in their efforts to identify, isolate, and ultimately destroy the country's Jewish minority. Machine-tabulated census data greatly expanded the estimated number of Jews in Germany by identifying individuals with only one or a few Jewish ancestors. Previous estimates of 400,000 to 600,000 were abandoned for a new estimate of 2 million Jews in the nation of 65 million. As the Nazi war machine occupied successive nations of Europe, capitulation was followed by a census of the population of each subjugated nation, with an eye to the identification and isolation of Jews and Romani. These census operations were intimately intertwined with technology and cards supplied by IBM's German and new Polish subsidiaries, which were awarded specific sales territories in Poland by decision of the New York office following Germany's successful Blitzkrieg invasion.   Data generated by means of counting and alphabetization equipment supplied by IBM through its German and other national subsidiaries was instrumental in the efforts of the German government to concentrate and ultimately destroy ethnic Jewish populations across Europe.  Every Nazi concentration camp maintained its own Hollerith-Abteilung (Hollerith Department), assigned with keeping tabs on inmates through use of IBM's punchcard technology.  Without IBM's machinery, continuing upkeep and service, as well as the supply of punch cards, whether located on-site or off-site, Hitler's camps could have never managed the numbers they did.

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True.

What?

Not sure. I believe Dutch Jews were very assimilated. It was more in Eastern Europe they were due to their culture more easy to recognize.

How did you have this experience? Amsterdam doesn't have a big distinguishable Jewish community anymore where you can just go and visit them. The Jewish people are spread throughout the city. Plus most of them look like average Dutch people. You wouldn't see a difference. Only thing I can think of is that you are talking about the Jewish people of Portuguese descent. They had a big community in Amsterdam. But like I said, that's not the case anymore. It's very scattered now. My guess is that you visited a historic synagogue in the center and saw some traditionally looking Jewish people.

It is a fallacy to claim they look different. Although the proportion was lower than Netherlands the French did "a darn good job" too. France generally was not heaviliy occupied for the most part and without the GREAT assistance of the French administration & French Police it is estimated about half out of 76,000 Jews could have been saved. For example none were sent to the "safe haven" of Algeria. Sadly France is no fine example by comparison to the Dutch except in numbers

Deportation was the penalty. Thanks for sharing your insights.

If they had compansion the Jews would prefer otherwise. The author is always very reluctant to share his views with others that maybe oppose his. In effect he frowns on any criticism as it dies not suit his agenda. Can I suggest, if you dont know them already, you might care to read the books I have listed above which, for time space alone, give a much more broader & accurate discription of the situation in the Netherlands. I guess you have viewed the German made videos available here on life in Westerbork camp? Tragic viewing and noted the guards, like in France in their harsh internment camps, were Dutch Police !

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and where the French Milice has there headquarters close to where Petain resided

Ok.

The Jewish people were blended in with Dutch society. Yes we Dutch did some awful things during colonialism to other people (I guess that's what you are referring to), but you know what, the Jewish people participated in that alongside other Dutch people. Now that's blending in.