Leftoids: There will probably be Marxist texts I could have referenced, I am already pushing the limits of the description character count, the video is 37 minutes long, and I have severe doubts that Whatifalthist has read or formulated his arguments on the basis of the words of Lenin, Bordiga, Gonzalo, Mao or any others. I'm focusing on the bare essentials here. This is also not a Marxism theory video. I am saying this pre-emptively because as you and I both know leftoids (you and me) are the most annoying people on the planet.
Lenin? Bordiga? Gonzalo? Mao? No Hoxha? No Marchais? Where's Bukharin and Plekhanov? So much revisionism! Deeply unserious analysis (just a joke If it wasn't clear)
Bro he actually admited in one of his videos that he dosen't re-read his sources because he has "photographic memory" and can remember everything from the top of his head. Like wtf.
@@justanotherjohn5905 I can't remember the title but it's old video, it's one of his regular videos, maybe one of his predictions? Sorry i really don't remember the title.
@@justanotherjohn5905 I REMEMBERED IT I THINK IT'S ON ONE OF HIS PREDICTIONS VIDEO FROM 2020, LIKE THE VIDEO WAS POSTED IN 2020 AND IT WAS FOR 2030 OR SOMETHING
Yes, but usually not helping everyone. A very important point in darwinism is that your success rate matter in relation to others, your group may get get an edge over other groups by cooperating, but if being an asshole give you an edge over people in your group, the asshole is also being selected for. That's why you usually see cooperation limited in scope (kin group) or have safe guards against freeloaders that don't help the group.
@@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005 , Oscar Wilde's The Soul Of Man Under Socialism might be up your alley. Whether you agree or disagree, the point of these exercises is to produce a dialogue. If not, then they are just fandoms versus fandoms, nerds vs nerds, the fitting fate of a politics not having any actual implications on the real world.
@@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005While this is theoretically true, it doesn't hold up in practice. Animals that evolved cooperation also have means of getting rid of "assholes", usually very quickly so. And aggressive animal is going to accomplish nothing except anger everyone else to the point they chase him off, because that aggression might give him an edge over ONE of his species, but nothing would ever give you an edge over a pack of them. Also, there are examples of cooperation being not only NOT limited to just kin, but happening between entire species. The most famous example of this is coyotes and badgers hunting together.
@@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005 fair enough. both are effective strategies, and not mutually exclusive. that was my point. social darwinists tend to frame it only as a war of all against all forgetting there are many strategies
@@coolsenjoyerMaybe if we split the world map down by the Urals and focused it on the Americas for no reason like a really weird version of the Axis and Allies map.
I used to watch his alt hist videos because they were interesting. Now his channel is him sucking himself off all the time. He's insufferable, and every video shows he really doesn't know what he's talking about.
@@thebiggestcheems I mean, yeah. Most people, that start thinking in more leftist terms, come to these conclusions, because they themselves produce value and don't feel enough compensation. It's natural to investigate how their labor relates to value and money. Whatifalthist is just fighting his own stereotypes, not any real positions.
Whatifalthist has been accused by the left of being from the extreme right, being irrational, being religiously biased or of suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect, usually with no evidence of any kind. If you think you have a case against his opinions, then at least briefly state your case. The problem with those on the left, probably most of the people who will read this comment, is you are prone to being intellectually lazy, so simply make an ad hominem attack instead of addressing the issues. Such attacks will never change the opinion of those that think Whatifalthist is correct, they are made for other leftists to read and give a thumbs up. Ad hominem attacks are simply a form of virtue signaling.
@@InquisitorThomasthat's why the killed, haters will say that it was the nobles that did that but we all know it was the commies, Rasputin had a faith build with almost 80 stat points in magic but was speced on vitality he just had the "endure" passive, if only he could've abused the press turn system to come out on top. We will never know.
Ill give whatifalthist one thing. His videos get my brain working. Every crazy or weird thing he says activates a critical mechanism. Not many right wing content makers can do that.
Had a taste of Actual Justice Warrior or News for Reasonable People? What's crazy is that lately I found a Candace Owens video where I agreed with her a lot.
honestly the crazy aspect is how deliberate that was : it wasn't an half sentence blurted out during an inebriated stream , he legit edited the video and tought : hey you know what's missing ? a full page rant about my thinly veiled fetish , i'll make it an image filled with text and put it here ... wich is like ... bruh , he really thought it was ok ?
To be fair to him that was one of the better parts of the video because it was actually funny. I don't know how to articulate it well, but I think the parts of the video where he's saying absolutely insane stuff are the best ones.
@@FreddaYTyeah I used to be a hard down communist until I realised just how fucked up most other communists are and the stupid ate even the most slight left things can get so I searched for a left thing that no one has ever heard of that I agree with it was nice watching this video that showed that communism wasn't just a dictatorship not was it utopia
@@the_roman_emperor_fisheater are you replying to something specific here? Or are you just appreciating the video's reasonable stances? I'm not sure what communists youve met that you think are fucked up (im assuming tankies) but I think there are plenty that you'd find as reasonable Fredda. Communism is a wide umbrella term- good luck on your search.
Best part, he was fully wrong about left hand magic lol. It's basically just the power of positive thinking, you draw power from within yourself, not other people. Just buck wild that he fucked that up.
Surprisingly little of right-wing thought even addresses the basic criticisms Marxism has towards capitalism and create something out of thin air to argue with instead. You'd think if you were crafting propaganda, you would at least want to convey the basic counterpoints down so that when someone listens to a shallow attempt to exposit it, their beliefs will just be reinforced instead of immediately dismantled by observing the obviousness of the lies, but apparently not.
@@fufy3820I'd wager that most of the issues that arise from communist regimes came from the points in which later writers disagreed with marx. I'm pretty sure the idea that we need a one party state before democracy came from Lenin, not Marx, and that's bound to cause a fair share of troubles.
@@digaddog6099 Marx's ideology in itself is bad. Religion is not a tool to hold down the poor, it's a tool to uplift and provide social mobility to the poor. Kings and nobles are meant to provide for their people, not extract wealth from their people. They have a moral responsibility to uphold their prerogative backed by the absolute power of the church and the dissenting masses to punish them if they fail in their duty to their people. In other words, Marxism lies in a fundamental misunderstanding of feudal society and absolute monarchies. The very act of reducing the power of the church was what led to things like robber barons and absolute monarchies with no counterbalances whatsoever.
@@davidmason4244 An 'outdated' ideology that massively improved standards of living. Meanwhile, a very 'nice' and not-'outdated' system of capitalism has managed to kill more than a million people in Russia alone, and the adoption of which was accompanied with a severe drop in life expectancy during peace time, and under which people are denied housing on the basis of being poor. Shoo, nazi.
@@bertrecht913 You ever notice how plain and uniform men's clothes are? They also are more cheaply made. Women's clothing options by comparison are a rainbow array and extremely expensive. Now the idiot's first interpretation of this is that it's what girls do to attract men, but the reality is as we have seen men will be attracted to women when they only expose their eyes. No all that fashion is women competing with women. One of the biggest markets in the world is women competing with other women. Not for money, not for power but social position.
I'd argue that there might be a disproportionate amount of jewish communists, but not because of any sort of "uniquely jewish mindset" or whatever. It's the same reason there's a lot of queer communists: If you're part of a group that's especially disadvantaged by society, you're obviously going to seek out political ideologies that seek to fundamentally change that society.
Exactly! When you're being demonized, and beaten down by a political and economic system, it's far easier to see its flaws. I'm a communist because I don't want anyone who comes after me to go through the shit I have, and sure as shit don't want them to have to suffer through the shit generations past had to deal with.
Or queer leftists in general, I suppose to add to your last point. If one group is generally hostile to you, you're probably going to move to the opposite end of the spectrum to try and challenge them.
I think that is indeed an element, but at the risk of a gross generalization, the jewish (religious) education has a higher (in comparison to other religious schools or even the secular public schools) focused on debating and some parts of the talmud are basically a compilation of logic discussions akin to plato's works, so I would guess it is both this exclusion that leads to a desire to be un-opressed and a "culture of debate" that leads to at least a more skeptical outlook on what is given as facts by the conservative status quo. That is why I think some of the most important jewish intellectuals came from Rabbi families, and - I'm making some pure speculation here- if they retained a fraction of this intellectual engagement in the education of their children it is most natural to have free thinking people (not essentially left-wing, of course)
It's also a huge bonus that the guy doing the debunking is an honest to God degree-carrying field-experienced Historian who discusses History as an evolving field of science. FreddaYT is someone who can keep people from falling for pseudo-history and the people who espouse it WHILE AT THE SAME TIME giving them tools to develop as History Students themselves. "History Buffs" are simultaneously the people most likely to become Historians or History Teachers later in life, as well as the people most vulnerable to falling for pseudointellectual morons like Whatifalthist or Monsieur Z. And this actual historian is out here explaining the importance of proper citation, that History is a field of study not just a list of events, that our current understanding of history is under constant reevaluation, and that old history books--just like any other old nonfiction--are bound to be full of inaccuracies and miss more recently learned information, no matter how smart or influential the author. FreddaYT isn't one of the countless breadtubers that just points and laughs at far-right pseudointellectuals' terrible takes on (History, Politics, Philosophy, Literally Any other Social Science) while themselves not having an especially better understanding than the people they're dunking on. These takedowns of Whatifalthist aren't just an exercise in roasting low-hanging fruit so that the audience can feel smarter. They give viewers vital tools to *actually become* smarter.
Whatifalthist claimed that getting an education is useless and that he would only read book written before the 60's because newer ones would be too woke
My head just about near exploded when WIAH said that workers “rioted against the 8 hour day”. Like, has this guy never heard of the Haymarket Affair? It’s a pretty famous event in history and it’s where workers rioted FOR an 8 hour day. I learned about that in 7th grade! I spent four years getting a history degree and focusing my studies on labor history, but even someone with a passing knowledge of history knows that the 8 hour day was a big fight by workers. It’s like the single most famous accomplishment of the labor movement!
NO. This is no where near common knowledge. It is not taught in most schools. My High School education on the late 1800s and early 1900s was that it was the greatest time in American History and that the MAGA movement is/should be advocating to go back to those times or the 1950s. It is not where near common knowledge let alone a "passing knowledge" of history. I only know this because I was a socialist during my high school years and loved history. I was taught nothing of the Labor movement except that they were the enemy and the problem of society. This was in 2015 and 2017 in Northeast Mississippi. BTW it took till college for someone to flat out say "Black people are better off Free".
@@ramblingsofadash5159 wow that's really terrible man. I graduated from an east Tennessee high-school in 08 and we learned about the labor movement but when it came to the civil war half my history teachers said "states rights" and other half slavery.
Can say as a person who went to both Tennessee and Mississippi school that Tennessee is far better yet far below what they need to be. A big problem during my high school times was Alt-Right and Q Anon was taking off so we had em in class and the teacher would let them preach since the teachers knew they would get in trouble for saying it. I got in trouble for getting mad and saying shooting people in the back was wrong while a guy who literally said "Hitler wasn't all bad" when being told gays also died in the gas chambers. I'm so glad I skipped the last 1/3 of my high school classes since I have had to unlearn so much of what I learned in that school.@@gavinmoody5678
Wait, did he conflate political leftism, the left-hand-path of magic, and left-brained thinking right out the gate? That's just loony. Immediately worth dismissing.
@@xibalbalon8668 he is basically copying Jordan b Peterson. Perceiving archetypes and pattens in history or myths and implicitly claiming that they are metaphysically true and inescapably the correct way the world should function. Also implicitly, he derives an impossible ‘ought’ from an ‘is’ by claiming we should in a live by the ‘natural’ way.
@@anyoneatall3488 My native French ass had a small brainfart reading "EU" because that's our version of "USA", I was wondering where "United States 4th Edition" was from for a solid 3 minutes before remembering I'm reading english.
@@anyoneatall3488I think your projecting, the only people mentioning paradox games are leftists. Same leftists that say paradox communities are overrun with right wingers and fascists despite rarely if ever seeing a single one in communities that consist of communist circle jerks.
Well, clearly your "education" didn't help you understand the difference between a scientific work and a youtube opinion video. As someone who was born in a fully socialist (100% marxist socialist with no private and only collective means of production) country I look at this comment section and feel like... I guess a jew must feel like this when entering a neonazi rally and watching a lively holocaust denial debate between drunk losers. You western kids are absolutely lost when it comes to knowledge about communist regimes, socialism or the practical applications of the hateful nonsense marx wrote. No knowledge besides what can be found in propaganda posters. Although I must admit, you are all just like marx - born into filthy rich family*, never worked a day in his entire life, lived on charity from others and complaining about the world. *yes, your American "middle class" or "poor" is still filthy rich in vast majority of the world.
1:26 I like that he says "left wing politics, left hand magic and left hemisphere" when the left hand is controlled by the right hemisphere LOL, he not only fails at history but also at biology. Not surprising tbh.
Even prager U kind of talks around these points, the left is to be left and why the right is right. I mean when kids are watching these videos sure lolipop candies names and 👶🏻concepts
I love how althist thinks that pre-industrial "traditional" societies were less alienating because he simply likes the romanticized pastoralist vibe, like tons of reactionaries do. I'm sure getting to die in horrific wars over the inheritance of inbred despots, all the horrible disease and being property for the nobility was just peachy. He also appears to have a thing for emperor worship. In contrast to Marx, he points to Marcus Aurelius as a positive example. Mostly because "philosophers monarch = good", nevermind all the slavery or the instability that followed his death.
I also simp for many a Roman emperor, but would hate to have them around today. It is important to be able to appreciate the achievements of our ancestors in historical context, whilst also being able to critically analyze their faults through a modern lens and learn from their errors
I love when right wingers complain about socialism and then describe their libertarian future that sounds exactly like a hippy commune but with more Jesus
On one hand I agree that Whatifapeshit makes low quality content, but I have to point out that under most capitalist systems, you are free to form your own communes, kibbutzes, hippie cult compounds, etc. The main objection a conservative has to socialism is that in a commune, you can freely associate with and shun people as you choose. However, under a socialist government, you are stuck with lazy cattle who don't contribute to the system, and only the government can really take action against that. In theory you can have a sort of Leninist system where unemployment is illegal, but in practice I have zero faith in First World Western society to actually go along with that and lay down the law.
@@pavelthefabulous5675 Your argument makes intuitive sense, but all the data and studies done on welfare and UBI show that even when people don't have to work, they choose to. For what reason we don't really know but it's a combination of social pressure, a desire to be useful (probably an evolutionary thing), and a desire to simply do ANYTHING to alleviate boredom and have a social life. Now we don't know if this would work on a larger scale or over an extended time period, but that's why we need it implemented in a few places so we can study it.
@@bigmac1516Wrong, the Covid stimulus checks were basically an unifficial temporary implementation of UBI, and unemployment was really high, barely anyone worked.
@@Supiragon1998unemployment went up largely because people were being let go, it will happen when stuff like Covid happens because in the US you can usually fire people at will. You can't look at something as complicated as unemployment and tie it to the stimulus check as if it's direct cause and effect. Correlation doesn't necessitate causation.
I have read Marx's work, I think a decent chunks of his critiques are valid but still wholly disagree with his conclusions and beliefs. I consider him to be a teetering idealist; someone who can identify problems and promote solutions that are inadequate, philosophical or outright dangerous in its distribution.
@@AbyssalSoda I think this is a worthy criticism, though I am not sure I totally agree. I think the Communist Manifesto is a great work of polemics, but it was not intended to be as prescriptive as it has been understood since its publication.
Well if the left reads Hitler they'll find a lot to like too. Agreeing with a few points on something doesn't mean the wider ideology is any good. And that's not a zinger I'm actually referring to the Nazis 25 point plan, When I read them to left wing friends and replace "German" with "Palestine" they agree with almost everything. And yet the Nazis are shit, Just like Communists.
I would say the only thing that I actually appreciate is the ethical stuff that arises from the "alienation" from the products of work and thereby from meaning of work. I don't think it's specific to Marx & Engels, but whether or not someone else said it, they said it too, and it's right. There's no natural bottom to how specialized and hollow and frivolous and grueling and boring and obnoxious and meaningless the people in charge will make your jobs, as long as it makes their favorite numbers go up.
@@RickJaeger You must have worked for some terrible people to believe that. On the contrary, I've noticed that the farther I am promoted up in the working world the more caring and understanding I find people to be. People at the bottom are used to dealing with other people that are on the bottom as well and that makes it hard for them to imagine the top and when they do they tend to assume that people are cutthroat and shady like all the others on the bottom including themselves.
In case anyone is interested: Gnosticism refers to several religious movements that were active between 100 and 600 AD. The basic features were: - Absolute division between (worldly) evil and (spiritually) good - Matter is bad and created by evil. Souls are trapped in this evil matter and are supposed to return to God through cleansing rituals - Cleansing rituals and connection with God were treated as secret knowledge. Aka mysticism. Communists very, very rarely teach these strange things. EDIT If you are really looking for an ancient communist religion, choose Mazdakism (Persia 550 AD). This includes: - Abolition of private property - No more nobles and kings - the sharing of women between many men These ideas were so dangerous that, unusually, Persia and the Roman Empire worked together to eradicate this religion
The link between gnosticism and communism arises *only* when looking at the history of ideas from a perspective that 1.) is organicist in its historiographical mode (a term conveniently borrowed from Hayden White), 2.) places christianity as the centered subject of that organicist history, and 3.) does so for metaphysical reasons rather than historicist. Of course, all three points go fully unacknowledged by whatifalthist, because if they didn't, then he would have even less wiggle room to bend his "sources" to fit his worldview. The only thing connecting gnosticism and communism is that, from that perspective, both gnosticism and communism are peripheral enemies that "seek knowledge" and challenge christianity's position as the true subject and driver of history. To a christian, two enemies are always one and the same enemy. I wouldn't be surprised that if whatifalthist dedicated himself to being a christian proper, he would end up discovering the kind of orthodoxy that is being peddled by western "orthodox" bros in their teens/twenties farming clout on the internet; it fits his idea of christianity as the subject of history the best.
Figures like James Lindsay and TIKHistory cover the gnostic connection with Marxism a lot better than Whatifalthist does. The fact that even their arguments probably won't convince you of anything is further proof of the very arguments that they make. Deprogramming a Marxist is like trying to get a Christian or a Muslim to renounce their faith.
He probably just uses it as the opposite of agnosticism eg believing absolutely in the existance or lack thereof of a god. I suppose in context the is just saying communists just beleive in communism without any room for questioning? Obviously thats still nonsense.
I am equally parts excited and terrified for this video. Excited because it will be lovely seeing someone destroying his awful "arguments". Terrified because I am afraid of what long term exposure to Whatifalthist videos does to a mind
I have been watching Whatifalthist for a few years now. It is nice to brew a cup of tea and sit down for a few laughs and watch him talk about how bad people with different political views are. One of my favourite examples of his hypocrisy is him blaming boomers for today's society, then blaming gen z in another video.
@@Leftistmushroom right? Like it's even on audiobook, for free from several places (like Librivox). I think the dude is genuinely afraid to have his basic af worldview challenged by a book.
@@tefky7964 I’ve read plenty of Marx. His communist manifesto. And all of Das Kapital in college. The best way to dismiss communism or Marxism in general is to simply be knowledgeable on it. Most communists online, and every single one I’ve met in real life, are totally in it for the aesthetic. They care nothing about the actual deeper material or trying to get it to work in real life. It’s all just something they think looks cool and edgy and will abandon after a few years when they are forced to confront the real world and get a job, have a family, buy a house, car etc etc. It’s a totally unworkable system and there’s some great reasons why it has failed so catastrophically in the past and there will never be a state that adopts it. It’s old news. You might as well be advocating for feudalism. That’s how outdated it is and how little the average person cares.
It's honestly hilarious about how WIAH's preachy conclusion about why people need religion in their lives plays nearly PERFECTLY into Marx's whole "opium of the masses" idea. Maybe if he didn't treat any communist works like some kind of forbidden texts, he could've tried to make a point about how Marx was wrong...
@@popopop984 you're probably mentally ill, not going to have kids, and not going to impact the world like most on this comment section, so while you claim to not need god the truth is your life is sad without him
and yet, there's Marxist theory vs. reality. Reality is on WIAH's side, he's not right about everything but just look at what Communism has produced as opposed to the ideology and what's it's professed to be, reality vs. fantasy.
@@kaydgaming what economic views lmaoooo, instructing individuals to be good and help the poor and those in need doesnt make you a leftist, nor puts you in a political category, he never advocated for any economic system or view in specific either, his message was to individuals, not governments
When those policies of helping the poor and less fortunate are codified in law, they are considered "left wing". Right wing politics, at least in the US, are very opposed to spending money on things like welfare and social services. So I think a pretty solid argument could be made that if Jesus was alive today and was asked about which political positions he supported, he would favor policies that "right wing" politicians oppose.
Man, I'm not familiar with Whatifalthist or even with communist ideology particularly, but there's something really funny to me about someone dismissing it on the premise that it's feminine and men are competitive whilst simultaneously continuously whingeing about not being able to get a girlfriend. I'm sorry, do you have some idea that systemic issues should be addressed, that world should be built in a way that works for people? Or just for you, specifically? You're getting outcompeted, get wrecked, L.
@@axel665it's sad he cherry picks easy reads that make him feel smart. And he refuses to read anything that contradicts his assumptions. He's said this shit in videos. It sad how dumb dumb he is and he got like pseudo online intellectual clout
“… dating has increasingly become commodified through apps and other services by for profit corporations, who are not only alienating you from your labor but now are also alienating you from pussy.” This right here. This is the most based statement.
@jasonhaven7170 it's not though. If we ignore the last sentence which was obviously said kinda as a fun joke. Incels blame women for the fact that they are Incels. Whilst this is putting the blame on the objective fact that all major dating apps are for profit corporations who upon seeing you fail to get a relationship try to take cash from you for the promise that now you will have an easier chance at getting into a relationship. Incel shit would be discussing something like facial structure and like how women only date higher status men.
Not really. He just somehow misunderstands whatifalthist talking about the problems of loneliness and dating in society being linked to the internet, calls it "incel theory", blames it on capitalism, dismisses it with "shower more" and continues. It's just dumb.
Both the Left and the Right do this. I've lost count of the amount of ideologies have appeared simply because people want an enemy to argue with. Believing that Socialism or Fascism is inherently evil and viewing the extremist versions of them inevitable you lose the ability to learn how to avoid the mistakes of the past.
@@fallenicarus2685 im sure leftists strawman too, but "Believing fascism is inherently evil" is a bit different. Because while people have different definitions of facism, it is ultranationalist and tends to be very hierarchy focused. We leftists believe we have more common with the working class of other nationalities than our own overlords, we also think hierarchy is bad. So facism and Socialism is by nature in conflict, one is a culture war, that other cultures are inferior and are the root of their problem, they also tend to strengthen hierarchy in its own culture. while socialism advocates for dissolution of national identities [not culture, just the idea that nationality is important] and want to destroy all hierarchy [well... not auth-left/tankies]. To me inequality seems to be part of the design for facism. Sure there might be some facist theory which isn't inherently hierarchical and I would love to know about it, but I have never come across any facist idea that isn't inequal by design.
22:42 as a secular Jew who has Holocaust survivors on my mom's side of the family and communist labor organizers (who fled the pogroms) on my dad's side, i think I'm in a unique position to talk about WIAH's weird antisemitic talking points. As with all antisemitic conspiracy theories, there is a grain of truth that gets warped and twisted into a cudgel. While the whole secular bolshevism (and subsequent cultural Marxism) trope is absolutely an antisemitic dog whistle, there are reasons why communism was attractive to some Jews like my grandfather and great grandfather. Most importantly is the concept of "Tikkun olam", which translates to "fixing the world." In the Jewish tradition I was raised in (as the saying goes, two jews, three opinions and Orthodox Jews view tikkun olam differently), Tikkun Olam is synonymous with social justice, and mitigating inequities when possible (Israel is a whole other ball of wax that I'd rather eat glass shards than discuss. See above two Jews three opinions). Speaking truth to power is another important Jewish value. In the United States at least, communists were labor organizers and advocates for workers rights, which falls neatly in line with tikkun olam **and** speaking truth to power.
Not to mention the Bolsheviks opposed the antisemitic policies of the Russian Empire. Imagine my shock when a lot of Jews join a group that promises to stop the persecution of Jews (regardless of whether those promises were ultimately fulfilled or not)
thank you for this video. Whatifalthist is in general such a weird channel, and he often seems to project his own personal issues through a lens of "historical" or "political" videos, sometimes what he says is just straightup creepy.
Bro you realize that’s what every “historical” or “political” RU-vidr does tho right? Across the spectrum that’s how it’s done cause it gets ‘em views baby.
@@John_Smith134He didn't say it directly but he says a civil war in the USA is going to happen because men aren't having sex enough,like what the hell? I am not from the USA so I wouldn't know but that's not a normal argument even for a rightist.
@@John_Smith134 i cant be really that bothered to watch a full 40 minute video, but pretty much every video he complains that the current generation doesnt have enough sex, or that the “dating market” is broken, when its clear none of this is true and he just doesnt go outside
He complains about "secularized Jews" and then mentions Albert Einstein as one of the good ones. Even though Einstein was a very secularized man who had to make repeated clarifications that he doesn't believe in a personal god and when he says God he means the universe. (He is often called a pantheist, however pantheism is not a religion by any definition of the word. It's barely a vague spiritual veneer over naturalism.)
It’s a lot easier to critique the very real failures of “socialist” regimes than engage with Marx’s very thorough and hard hitting critiques of capitalism.
Let's be honest here, people watch whatifalthist for 2 reasons 1. They agree with him 2. He's entertaining No one watches him cause they are trying to learn from him
I used to watch him because he would have very different opinions than me and seemed to challenge me preconceived notions. Then i slowly started realizing how strange and unfounded a lot of his views were, especially when it came to social issues. I was taking a shit in the basement of my college watching one of his videos about dating when I decided yeeeaaah this guy has actually just been a pseudo intellectual loser this whole time
I mean, *I'm* watching him to learn something, mostly what new insanity the 'intellectual' right tends to believe so that we can better understand what needs to be debunked or argued against. He's completely nuts because he thinks that feels trump reals and that he doesn't need to examine his pre-existing biases, but he's *unimaginatively* nuts.
I actually learnt some useful stuff from him but that was like a year ago before his content really started deteriorating into more opinionated "right-wing" (quotation marks cause i dont even associate with such things in politics XD) content
@@jemiller226 That's a good quote, I'm stealing it. "Apolitical" is more often than not just the middle of the Overton window. Not apolitical, just in support of the status quo.
When your citation list starts with a literal Holocaust denier, perhaps the list can be viewed as suspicious. As for the illegitimate child claim, the maid worked for Engels during Marx's time working for a New York Newspaper. He only returned from that nearly year-long job a few months before the boy was born. I put the claim that Marx was the father as laughable at best
@@upsbabygirl18 Timothy Snyder is rather well known for a particular kind of Holocaust denial; that it happened, but it wasn't the poor Nazis fault. It was those pesky Communists who caused it to happen, if you ever read his books Black Earth or Bloodlands.
@@JotariDevil aka the origin of evil can't be defended because it created sin. Ironicly one can argue that god made sin because as a absolute being, it made the decision to make the situation happen. And many other arguments. Unironic defending of devil is dumb because the icon of sin IS the devil. It's like forgiving a murderer because the instigator that set up the situation made the sin of commiting murder be placed upon the instigator and murderer in question should be go unpunished.
I was going to write a comment about how you should go easy on him since he doesn't know how to conduct research properly, and then he said "women are not competitive". I now realize that the problem isn't that he doesn't know how to conduct research, the problem is that he doesn't know how to critically think.
I just assumed that what he meant by that was "on average, women tend to be less competitive than men with regards to power." Meaning that some women definitely are competitive with regards to power but they are outliers, and there's definitely room for women to be competitive in other ways like, say, beauty or gaining status by marrying the right man. I've always kind of thought... women can see the size of each other's breasts all the time, and if men are prone to insecurity about the size of another guy's... well, you know, that they can't see, I have wonder how being able to see how big or small your "competitions" endowment is every single time you look at them, leads to insecurity, self-comparison, and an automatic implied pecking order that need not even be discussed...
Given that Vaush also thought he was the one being referenced when he talked about critique from a communist since he made those same critiques, I think the problem is just that these problems with whatifalthist are so obvious just about everyone has noticed him. And still he tries to pretend they don't exist.
Some of what Whatifalthist believes is genuinely concerning with his views on women and Jewish people being notable. For someone who dropped out of college for being too woke it's not a surprise he doesn't source anything. It's a shame someone who has such a large platform is able to spread such baseless views it's saddening. Either way thank you for making this video, people like this should always be held accountable in a balanced way I appreciate how your videos do this.
@@Mag_ladroth Makes sense. College doesn't just blindly blame women and Jews for everything you don't like which is not the history he wants to live in.
When he said it's left wing politics, left hand magic and left brain hemisphere I lost all credibility for him instantly. Reminded me of when I was a kid making such nonsensical arbitrary joints too, and reminded me another one of his videos.shorts(two maybe?) where he goes off with whatboutism like this. Well such is a developing brain I guess
It's a bit funny that he joins left hemisphere thinking and left-hand magic together, unaware or leaving out the well-known fact that the left hemisphere controls the right hand.
@@jensphiliphohmann1876 I was waiting for him to drop that sudden reversal as well, but I guess he's just too drunk on instantly connecting every concept ever affiliated with the word left together into one mega-blob of pure ideology....
You know if I followed his line of left vs right logic then I’d come to the fact that the left brain is more logical and the right brain is more emotional, so it’s actually the left that owns the phrase facts don’t care about your feelings according to this logic
If he had gone for a few more lines with his everything left vs everything right logic he would've arrived at the conclusion that the people who start with the left Twix are Communists.
can't believe I almost thought he was right. I don't typically do my own research on this type of stuff, since I got other stuff to do. But I am thankful I seeked criticism for this man
I can't believe you lunatics think you're right. You literally believe you can make the Earth perfect. Which is more insane? Believing you can make the Earth perfect or a spiritual afterlife? My view is the former is WAY more insane. And yes communism is a religion. It would have to be considering how insane it is and the amount of people who buy into it's philosphies.
@@seanhartnett79 i still. Remember a time where Peterson was respectable and decent as a person and then he went to the right got a taste of power and never looked back
Lanemars maybe because they are the most obvious mistakes in the video. Did you want for him to just give clips of him saying something obvious without including something he says after that is completely stupid.
He says small business owners and farmers are "often quite poor" but this isn't true. Farmers especially are rich. Farm workers are poor, but that's not the same as being a farmer. And they both get lots of help from the government. Something like 40% of farm profit comes from subsidies and there are many gov programs to help funnel business to small business owners. Not exactly the self-sufficient, "I have agency and independence" vibe WIAH says he wants.
Correct, I didn't want to delve into too much of the minutia but in terms of the larger wealth disparity in the United States for example, farmers and small business owners quite often are quite poor or facing significant financial hardships in competition with larger corporations and conglomerates, the only problem is that the non-business owners are much, much poorer. The small business owner or the farmer can liquidate their assets to give them a bit of a windfall. The undocumented farm worker or the cashier who works for them cannot.
Well, depends. I’m a geology environmental scientist; lots of farmers yes make a lot of money but need to keep up as in equipment, treatment, and being able to grow one of two of the seeds of crop in whatever monopoly that seed belongs to. A lot are in heavy debt, constant upkeep. You’re correct, but just wanted to piggyback for you because I think it’s something people should know regarding industry. To just finish it’s a lot more complicated and this weird incely guy can’t even cite one source or look past anything and ask why ENOUGH TO OPEN GOOGLE SCHOLAR
@@FreddaYTif we speak about farmers only in terms of US, but the world doesn't end and stary with US, for example in Eastern Europe and third world countries farmers are poor, though in general rural people are poor in those countries.
Studying psychology (not that you would have to) makes that hemisphere argument at the begging actually melt my mind, pretending that you can draw defined conclusions of an ideology based on a failing of an entire side of the brain is so bonkers to me, did he perform brain surgery on all communists to find this conclusion, I can’t understate how much that first 30 seconds actually sounds like the ravings of a mad man ahahahah
studying automation (college speak for “everything vaguely high tech under the sun”) and we touch on brain structure and function as background for the study on neural network models, and… woweee….
Calling an ideology a religion is a tired old right-wing Christian thought stopper. See they have the one true religion, so now if they can somehow call something a religion, that something must necessarily be false. And false teachings are of the devil, so no need to read what they actually say. Stops thought, alright.
It's not a thought stopper, the point is not that Communism is a false religion, it's that Communism in practice is a religion, fulfilling the same role religion plays in society.
@@robinrehlinghaus1944except that religion isn't exclusively a psychological phenomenon. Religion, as scholars generally Define it, is a combination of psychology, supernatural beliefs, and ritual practice. Most ideologies do not meet all of these criteria, which is why they are not religions. You can argue that something has a similar thought pattern to religious thinking, but you actually have to explain why. Considering that most leftist ideology is explicitly based on the rejection of the status quo, while most religion exists as a tool of preserving the status quo, that'd be kind of a tough sell.
This guy is basically Jordan Peterson minus the fancy degree. Didn't read the material, makes a bunch of assumptions and coasts off his own audience's ignorance.
He's drawing on James Lindsay's cartoonishly simplified regurgitation of Eric Voegelin's critiques of modern philosophy and totalitarianism in Science Politics and Gnosticism and The New Science of Politics, among others.
Gnosticism wasn't rediscovered in the 1930s. Ireneus of Lyon wrote a detailed treatise on the subject that remained the standard textbook on Heresy until the reformation started spitting out so many heresies no one could keep up. Gnosticism remained a standard buzzword and is a big feature of the original post-French Revolution Anti-Masonic conspiracy theories that reactionaries have been recycling for two hundred years. First authentic Gnostic text, the Bruce Codex, was recovered in 1769, followed by the Askew Codex (Pistis Sophia) in 1773 and the Berlin/Akhmin codex in 1893. The Nag Hamadi library just confirmed the accuracy of Ireneus' account, which Bible Scholars had previously considered to be too polemnical to be trusted. There were a lot of Neo-Gnostic movements contemporary with Marx they just tended to innovate their own 'non-biased' versions rather than trust Ireneus' account. Usually they were just Christian Cabala and used the term Gnostic for anti-Catholic edgy-ness since it took a few decades of edge arms race to get to self-professed Satanism. Since Hegel does directly cite Kabalistic texts the connection isn't complete nonsense but is no more important than the obvious Christian Utopian Communism that preceded Marx. Or the Platonism which is the only real link between Kabala and Gnosticism.
@@anomalisticofferings14 Jacobinism = Freemasonry = Templar Gnosticism is one of the core reactionary conspiracy tropes. Any attempt to hide that by citing a real philosopher is just a dogwhistle.
You obviously make good points about the intellectual academic faux demeanor of this guy. I still like his work. Perhaps he'll tone down the apparent authoritative opinion it seems to suggest, but admittedly some of his points and ideas are interesting and good.
The worst kind of corrupted capitalism results in oligarchs controlling all the wealth. The best kind of communism results in oligarchs being handed all the wealth. Under capitalism you can at least work hard and profit off your own labour, And oligarchs who screw up lose everything (Unless capitalism has been corrupted with socialist bailouts for the wealthy as it has in the west)
I received training in philosophy and history in Geneva (Switzerland). At one point in my youth I was confronted with a problem: revisionism about the Nazi concentration camps. In short: the denial of the Shoah and Porajmos (Holocaust is a word laden with ideology). The decision of French, Italian, German and Spanish-speaking historians was to refuse to debate Holocaust deniers. An astronomer doesn't discuss cosmology with an astrologer. Social media inspired by a dominant cultural context (Anglophone) incense the debate. There is no debate with the falsifiers. That's what you do, you debunk not debate. Ah yes, on one side there is you, probably an academic (mastery of the use of sources) and on the other side a propagandist. I beg you not to present your confrontation as a debate. Debate is an organized and directed discussion made by people knowledgeable about a specific topic. Otherwise it's a discussion about opinions. Ps : I subscribed.
Interesting. I didn't expect to see such opinion here. This debate is absolutely filled with communist (well, western middle-class rich teenager "communist") propaganda and it is something I despise as much as nazi propaganda, being a hardcore anti-communist anti-nazi who was born in a socialist (marxist) country and our family was massacred by both mainstream socialists - nazis and communists. I do hate both. (I'm Czech, it is the majority worldview here). I wouldn't probably agree with your political stances, yet you stand by one very good principle - it is necessary to debate an ideological opponent. It is pointless to debate a propagandist. Although I see this video as two propagandists calling each other out. I noticed while a nazi might sometimes be willing to respond to actual arguments for some time before attacking and spewing hate, a modern western communist will never accept such a challenge as providing valid arguments. And understandably so - the western communists are not philosophers searching for the truth, they are religious cultists trying to spread the gospel (party propaganda). It is useless for them to debate with a Czech, Polish or Hungarian, we do have historical experience and they understand after few sentences they will not persuade us to join their cult. Thus they have zero interest in debating with us. And rightfully so as a holocaust denier has no interest in debating with Jews in Jerusalem about gas chambers being a hoax. By the way, never have I seen more hardcore personal attacks, more hate, more organised vandalising of a debate than the one time I mentioned the existence of a section of Dablice graveyard where the mass grave of newborns and babies is located. Babies of political dissidents who were tortured to death in front of their mothers by the communist regime secret police. This is a known location in Prague, there are official remembrance actions, it is about as undeniable as the existence of nazi concentration camps mass graves. Just by mentioning it I triggered hundreds, if not thousands of communist redditors who absolutely brigaded one single post on one subreddit by organising on 4 other subreddits and attacking in matter of minutes. I seriously doubt there is any possibility of a debate.
Interesting, because TIK is well sourced and puts all his sources out there in order for the average person to understand where his conclusions lie. But, perhaps the Marxists, who are privy to hidden knowledge unlike the rest of normal civilization, know better than a former leftist who's well-sourced and educated in this topic.
Okay, I saw this video. TIKhistory worked with primary sources, showed the quotas that proved - at least in his eyes - his hypothesis and figured out that it's an observation. I think, there were some good arguments in favour of gnostocism like his adaption of the believe, that Aryans were created by god as an antithesis to the jews, his strong believe that the Volk will have a transformation to a higher state, his differenciation between christianity and faith and his antipathy for freemasonry not because of their faith but of their conspirational working. It's a hypothesis. What do you hope for when you want someone else to debunk this
@@Bolle1701 Its a blatantly wrong hypothesis stated by a man who takes being religiously ignorant as a virtue and is way out of depth. TIKhistory uses no primary sources on Gnosticm or Marxism, only on Hitler. His sources for Gnosticism are a 30 year old essay collection of Western Esoterecism (a field of religious studies that touches on Gnosticism but is focused on a whole different millenia), a 70 year old work of political philosophy with no claim to historical rigour that he misuses as a historical work and a series of lectures by a literal conspiracy theorist (not to say that conspiracies have no historical validity). He claims that demonic possession, the desire for an eschatological golden age and the concept of predictive prophecy are all gnostic parasitic beliefs poisioning true Christianity. This is the dumbest most religiously ignorant thesis I've ever heard. He's also unable to recognise that this whole 'parasitic religion' idea is just a repackaging of the very antisemiticism he quotes from Hitler in the same video and that his Conspiracy Theorist source is a crypto-Fascist. The simple fact is that Gnosticism is a highly contested category in the academic literature and a topic that has seen a lot of recent development so just quoting decade old works is simply insufficient. Which is very ironic since he's up to date on the controversy over Hitler's religion and has reached the correct answer, that Nazism is kind of confused. But then rather than accepting that confusion as well earned wisdom he tries to solve the issue by importing an even more debated term while being unaware of the debate around it. There is a reasonable argument that Hitler was in some ways gnostic but it would have to be made based on forms of gnostic belief actually accessible to Hitler, not on the works of political thinkers writing after Hitler's death based on ideas that were known to only a handful of cutting edge researchers in the 1930s.
@@AC-dk4fp "his conspiracy theorist source is a crypto fascist" Whait...what? Who is a crypto fascist and why? I am no expert in neither religious theories nor the religious question of the third Reich. I know that there was a melange of everything from Deutsche Christen (another zeitgeist form of protestantism) to atheism to esotheric paganism. I also know that the revolutionary part of the NS movement fought conservative "reactonary" elements like student fraternities, old elites a.s.o. Now that Hitlers world view was basically eclectic it may be possible that he read writings that could be claimed as "gnostic". In his "further evidences..." video TIKhistory uses only primary sources of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and "Tischgespräche" and Chamberlain. Like I said, his "Hitler was a gnostic" claim is a hypothesis which he tries to strenghtens. I appreciate your answer but I don't see any falsification of TIKhistorys arguments. You say, that he is wrong and that his sources are old (where I don't see the problem as long as they are good - Popper's "The open society" is also old but a good observation of totalitarism), but why? I looking forward for a good exchange of knowledge!
I love how he says that communism didn't have any major support in more developed capitalist societies, while completely ignoring the countless civil wars and revolutions that happened in europe, fighting for a better standard of living.
@@Jacorn_IDK the spanish civil war, the french commune during the franco-prussian war,heck, even in the german elections of 1933, the nazi party's main rival was the german communist party,which had a significant percent of the votes, and i could name others
He just dropped a banger of a dumpster fire video on the modern feminism movement. He explains how women having agency is the reason he can't get "pussy," not aware its the screeching of bigorty and racism on the regular.
It isn't. He made a video describing the general trends where the socio cultural characteristics of individuals lead to a certain socialetal result as a whole. Nothing right wing about that one. He didn't even mention women should or should not have more liberty or education. It's a very well proven and imoericallly recorded fact that women who do have more self agency, higher education ext ext do tend to be less pleased with their choices of partners because biologically (meaning from biology on average) a woman seeks to have a partner more successful than her. Given the modern equality situation that would make a drastically less appealing choices for settlement and reproduction across the board. But. Yes they do use some word language here and there but the idea and concept behind it is well reasoned.
Why hasn't anyone mentioned that Mongolia was missing on the communism map. Why is Mongolia always forgotten😢 But I think this is the final straw. I am unsubscribing from... whatifalthist
Im not a socialist or capitalist but the fact that this dude did not read the main book of the ideology he is critiquing makes a good point for why i probably wont return to his channel
I love who he has to not only repeat the same tired talking points agaisnt socialism and communism, but he creates new weird and esoteric ones as well such as the left handed magic one Also as you yourself said it is possible to make genuine critiques of socialism and communism (or at least certain sects of communism like Marxist Leninism) but althist isn’t making them
I also liked how he credited the "history is a spiral" line to some dude named Amaury de Reincourt instead of Lenin in his civil war video. Real classy considering Lenin wrote it 4 years before Riencourt was even born.
