@@susanbrown4419 It's better not to be born then to constantly live in the fear of going to eternal torment. Even if you accept Jesus you can still go to hell. Just look at what Jesus said himself.... "Not everyone that says Lord Lord....". There is no guarantee of salvation. It does seem that the Bible God wants strict obedience through fear. Right now as is I love God and everything he says I have to love because I don't want to go to hell forever. I guess it's better to live in fear then to live in torment..... It maybe it's the same. I just don't want to go to hell forever please.
I mean, I think his answer ultimately boiled down to "God predestines/punishes people eternally for his own glory." And that's profoundly evil. Why would anyone want a relationship with a God like that?
@mono man There's still the issue, though, that God predestines people from the start. None of us asked to exist. If we end up going to hell because God wanted to glorify himself, I don't see how that would be compatible with a God who is supposed to be "love."
@mono man Mono man, I am a devil working for Satan; I know you as I know all the people who are going to Hell; let me warn you that you believe in the wrong God. I can't tell you which is the true one since all of you must pray and listen to the Allmighty. But let me tell you that as of today, you are going to Hell.
Christine Vest I wouldn't use the word discouraging. I hate it when pastors try to explain hell. There is no explanation just as there is no explanation for heaven. When was the last time Queen Elizabeth went out to the streets and brought in strangers to come live with her in the mansion? When was the last time a sitting US president went to jail for a couple of days in order to prevent vulnerable people from going to jail or becoming executed. It is better to concentrate on the goodness of God rather than dwell on hell. Humans live in two dimensions but we are allowed to see one. The culmination of that which happens in the background which we cannot see now is the reason for hell.
I'm a christian but it bugs me so bad when people beat around the Bush guy doesnt even come close to answering the closest answer he came up with is it's a mystery..
I think the first question we would have to answer is: 'Why did GOD allow Lucifer, who was maybe the most important archangel, to turn evil?". Why did GOD not prevent evil?
@@kareemdavis1500 well II can't tell you that 100%, since I don't know but satan saw Gods power and wanted to be higher than him." In Christian views it is an evil human act, which violates the rational nature of man as well as God's nature and his eternal law" ( this was from wikipedia) so how I understood, is that sin is acted by humans, so I don't know if satan is inside that definition, you can ask a pastor or someone with high theology knowledge. But the original sin as we all know it was made by Adam and Eve
Be honest - if you had never heard anything about the Christian religion and the Bible.. you would be scratching your head right now at the sheer lunacy of what this man is saying. Just one crazy assertion after another
But 1000 years ago if you was told one day people can fly into space and communicate with people 10,000 miles away on a hand held device or that the universe has galaxies each with 100s of billions of stars in them and we all live on a spinning sphere in space and that's twirling around a huge ball of gas and they'll discover that particles on the quantum level can be in two places at the same time they'd say this guy is speaking lunacy...what harm could it possibly do to have an open mind and seek search and knock on the door. What's there to lose, dust and nothing is always going to be there but think of the gains just imagine.
How could the universe be created from nothing if not by God? The answer would be "well uh, I don't know and neither does anybody else, except those that believe in God.
Also he made satan prolly for the same reason I’m not exactly sure why he would make some one who would betray him but I would rather not be born than go to hell
We're going to hell for not believing in him. So he creates us, hides from us and we have to belive it was all him, cause if we don't we suffer forever. That sounds like some messed up game to me
@@maggieo1683 What proof are you talking about? There is plenty of evidence that God exists. Don't tell me you actually believe molecules of dirt assembled themselves to make the first living thing which is extreme foolishness.
@@dragonsforever534 Ah, so for free will, this God must NOT protect His own book, from corruption or distortion, then? What...ever... So important to keep in the bit about cursing children or stoning kids, or putting to death men for using the wrong incense, though - those are real keepers, it seems. Gotta leave them pristine...? I'll give you the 'death' is thrown into the Pit, though - but that doesn't resolve the torment, angle.
You’re dragging this out to make it more horrible. Rather he created us because he loves us and wants us to live life, and if we dont want to be with God he simply says ok! And lets us go without him for eternity
But I have the same question in the bible it says wide is the gate to destruction meaning more people go to hell so why would god create life if most people fo to hell??
@Emily Ceetain that's a cop out answer. The question is "Why would God create people he KNEW would spend an eternity in hell?" You're answer is "I don't know, only God knows." Well, first prove that God is what you think it is and that the Bible is the word of God and then we might at least have a foundation but you know that you can't even do that.
Why so ?its a good question rte.. even I have such doubts being an indian..coz according to Indian path there is no eternal hell and god didnt create the soul ..we were ever existing..so such questions arise when I compare and study both the ways .
"The Gospel is the plan of God to bridge the gap that sin created. Jesus lived the life we couldn't, died a death we should have, and rose again as a sign that what He said was true, giving the gift of the Spirit to empower us to live a resurrected lifestyle now as we await His return".
Created everything God created Satan God knew us before we were born in the womb so I'm having problems with prayer with everything that happens in the world period And I have a brother that is very naive yet people get killed just going to the store and you going to tell me they didn't pray in the morning God is cruel. I 100% believe in God I want represent believe in heaven and hell I 100% believe that God gave Satan dominion over the Earth if you want to think we have a living God I want to think that God is love and maybe you should read Jobe
Why teach that God will become unforgivable but teach you to forgive? Why will God make someone knowing they gonna fail? Why doesn’t God just stop Satan now to keep from misleading so many lives to failure?
You are asking a very important question, namely What is the point of it all? The bible gives you an extremely shocking answer - one that will make you wonder if God is a god of Love - until you sit down and think very, very carefully about it. _Romans 9:_ _22 What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction?_ _23 What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory?_ _24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?_ But look at the previous verses: Romans 9: _17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”_ _18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills._ The key is this - God is sovereign and because mankind sinned, God is not bound by any prior commitment of so-called human "fairness" to save *_ANYONE!_* If you haven't already done so, think very, very carefully about this.
?? He did not answer the question! The video lasts for almost 13 minutes, yet he couldnt answer the question. The question was not why people end up in hell, but why God created people who will end up in Hell. He had no answer simply because this question cannot be answered by calvinists without revealing that their god is not the just and good God of The Bible.
Gabrielle Riah, Mount Zion Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? *he retaineth not* his anger for ever, *because he delighteth in mercy* Micah 7:18 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, *who is* the _Saviour of all men_ , specially of those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10 There is no eternal hellfire.. This is doctrine of men added into the text through theological translations
Human are creations , not creators ! Creations cant make the laws or determine what will be good or evil The creator makes the laws and determines good and evil
Do you know the answer to it? No, do I know the answer? No, and thats why both of us are here, to try and understand this mystery. Humans don't know everything, and we need to understand that we are not even a quarter of a grain in the universe to try and understand God's mind.
Barley BROHERS--Yes! God that I worship loves ALL that He created & has SAVED ALL through Jesus His SON. The God of these HELL fire preachers is a false God made by the demented minds who despise sinners. Jesus & the Father God of us ALL loves us & tells us to love our enemies. A God of wrath & vengeance that punishes those that He created & knew before He created them that they would disobey them is not the God of Jesus or of creation. there is no fiery hell that God has made & the original word in the Hebrew as well as the Greek mean the grave where ALL that die go. Dust to dust & ashes to ashes. The soul & spirit go back to God & He will restore ALL things to the original state as the penalty for the disobedience was paid by Jesus. ALL will one day be reunited with God , Jesus , the angels & God will be ALL in ALL. Thanks God for your wonderful universe & beautiful world we live in .
Why do you say that? Do you not want justice to be done when someone rapes three small girls and then murders them? Do you not want a judge who is good enough to send such a person to jail or the gallows? God is so good that He will take care of anyone that tells a lie, steals what is not theirs, blasphemes His name, disobeys and dishonors their parents, fornicates, commits adultery, murders and even covets - and let's not forget the all too common one - making a god to suit oneself, ie. idolatry.
@@kevinrtresthen if he did not exist she will not experienced those kind of things, so if there's no people who did not exist to do that then there will no be suffering that each of us will experienced individually.
Actually doesn't God gave y'all free will he still created us cus he loves us but y'all choose to reject him so it's all on y'all he didn't create robots he wanted real human beings 😂but y'all refuse to follow him so y'all get consequences for that
he loves us so much that he gave us the freedom to love him or not, he didn’t want to force his love on us and that’s how much GOD really cares and loves for you
Hogwash. When things don't make sense, it's always "It's a mystery " followed by a very looooong explanation. If something is true, it doesn't need a zillion words to explain. What kind of father would have a bunch of kids, knowing beforehand that he would be sending them to a place like hell and have to listen to their screams eternally? Why even have kids? Insanity.
I have been arguing about this with a very hard headed Christian for a few days now. All he is doing is keep saying that people make their own choices and that God simply knows because he is omniscient. I specifically asked why God doesn't prevent the person's birth to prevent that suffering,ye he simply responded that because the person will be making the choice. It is flabbergasting how they do this.
@@hussainiqbal9623 Ask why humans have to make those choices impaired, from birth, and among a minefield of disguised gods, spirits, and other factions - but angels never had to, too. Even the 'disloyal' ones. Could be a interesting reaction.
Exactly. I don't see how people could have free will if God knows their actions in advance, because if he's omniscient and knows everything, then there's no way for us to defy what he knows will happen.
@@rdhaley96 I have been arguing about this with a very hard headed Christian for a few days. He simply refuses to understand what I'm saying. My exact question was "If God knows who is going to hell,why not prevent them from being born so they will not suffer?" He simply kept ramping on about how we make the choices and God is not responsible. Religious people sometimes severely anger me.
@@SerendipitousProvidence Exactly. Why do some babies get a free ticket to heaven while some have to take the chance of being in hell? It doesn't make sense.
@@rdhaley96 People think they have free will but this is an illusion. As Luther wrote after demolishing Erasmus' book "The Freedom of the Will", the will of man is in bondage and can by default only choose to sin. We need God's Holy Spirit by a divine act of Grace to work through us and give us the gift of saving faith.
CS Lewis dealt with this better. People go to hell because they choose to by denying God / electing to eschew the free gift of salvation. It's their choice. Because God exists outside and AROUND time, He can see the beginning of time and the end. He doesn't pressure anyone into salvation. If they so happen to ignore God, He just happens to know that before they do. But it's still their choice.
@@Nerosii Very interesting statement with LOADS of stuff hanging off it. Have a look at these pages - www.desiringgod.org/articles/does-god-really-desire-all-to-be-saved www.gty.org/library/bibleqnas-library/QA0276/if-god-desires-all-men-to-be-saved-why-arent-they
Honestly, that's my question too. Only God has the actual true answers. I wish God would just be forward and tell us. The Bible is so confusing in it's wording and no human no matter how much studying they do can answer the big questions. To me it's just a bunch of guys taking guesses to fill in the blanks. I don't know what's true anymore.
@@maggieo1683 Pretty positive God worded it in a way that would only be understood by true believers/Christians. Meaning, it can only be translated by God's Holy Spirit.
Im a muslim but we belive in the same god so i think my answer would answer your question, bc god is testing us, if he straight up showed himself there wouldnt be any test, our choice makes us more powerfull than angels
@@3lif148 hey but that's just like I'm in court accused of a crime I said I did did not do, don't rely on witness, show the video type. That's my analogy.
You should of just said I dont know. It's ok to just say you dont know something and that's the problem now there are tomany people winging it when it comes to such a level of unknown wisdom and law that is beyond us just say I dont know sometimes
So God's default position, created the moment Adam sinned (which God somehow couldn't foretell), is that everyone goes to Hell and suffers for eternity. That was NOT his default position before Adam bit the apple? Now, because of the actions of one man, a very, very slim minority will escape this torment by accepting Christ as the true and only son of the Creator and in doing so all sins are pardoned. God already knows who will be saved and who will end up in eternal torment? I LOVE the Creator, but HOW can this be true of the the Heavenly Father? He knows how many hairs are on your head. He knew you before you were born, He knew the day you would be born, and He knows the day you will die. I LOVE Jesus, I love the Creator, I love the Holy Spirit. I welcome them all into my life, I accept that Jesus died to cover my many failings, but I do not welcome any Christian teacher who claims my Lord is capable of perpetrating such evil. Burning and perpetually torturing ignorant humans (intentionally designed imperfect by Himself), his very own children, is evil. I'm sorry; this is not acceptable on any level. To talk circles around this, twist words, and contort language to excuse this is outrageous. I pray to God He forgives me for holding fast to my belief that His love is more powerful than man's ignorant, corrupt interpretation of his holy word. I pray he forgives all Christians for believing this about Him.
Bruh this guy cant answer a simple question....First off god doesn't have the attribute of love, God IS love. In order for him to show his love (grace and mercy is the kind of love god has for us) he NEEDED to create sinners so he can show his grace and mercy. God wanted us to Love him and love by definition has to be freely given. He doesn't want robots worshipping him. The only way to achieve that is to also give ppl the ability to rebel against him. Also just because god knows your going to hell, it doesn't mean he forced you to sin. He only simply just knows. God is always knocking on the door of your heart with a free invitation for you to be with him in heaven. The question is, will you open the door and accept it? It would be unloving of god to force ppl to be with him in heaven against their free will. Also think about this.... Could he have logically made a universe where everybody would love him? Sure BUT that's not practical or reasonable with free creatures. Maybe he created a universe with the maximum amount of ppl saved and the minimal amount of ppl unsaved. Also I just want to say is that god has the absolute right to make this kind of universe just like we are able to make a lego set and destroy it anytime and in any fashion we want to. So he cant do anything wrong. God doesn't owe us anything. We are the ones who sin against him everyday. God made us in his IMAGE(soul and spirit) and LIKENESS(Our flesh) now its time to give the lord back what rightfully belongs to him.
Dan 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan12:13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.” rev20:5 And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. couple questions ? who is asleep in the dust of the earth awakening to everlasting contempt , shouldn't they be in eternal conscious torture land !! is Danial planning on going to heaven or being resurrected into the kingdom? who reigned with christ for the 1000 years, what dead are resurrected after the 1000 years, ? in rev20:5 Romans 5:18-19 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Titus2:11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people. colossians1:20 and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross. 2 Corinthians 5 :19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 1tim4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. if you need help in understanding what all means ..let me know..!
Sure there is. It's all through the bible. It's when we create a perverted view of God (Calvinism), that we struggle to put the pieces to together. For God to be loving and just, he has to allow all men the opportunity of coming to Him. The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come." Rev 22
@@capturehishonor9292 no when we dont rightly divide the word of truth, then we think Israels program is for us , which it is not !! we are in in the mystery dispensation of Grace! I don't even know what your saying ! sure there is what? hebrews , and James and rev is all to and for the nation of Israel only!! we the church will be snatched away before any of the jew stuff in rev takes place
Give Jesus your life. Let Him live with you and guard you. You will make mistakes along the way, but repent and ask for forgiveness and mercy once you realise it He is the way, truth and the light. Accept Him as your saviour, be born again and live the rest to God. He is a Loving God.
2 Peter 3:9 King James Version (KJV) 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Here's the real question, if someone sins but hates it and let's say it's uncontrollable and they try try and try but still continue to sin. Basically person is living in their own hell on Earth. Why would God send someone that's already in hell to a hell worse than their own hell on Earth. That doesn't sound right to be honest, or loving. You would think God would make them clean if they hate sin. I don't know though any thoughts?
God never violates our free will, even though He knows which way we will go. People do not go to hellfire because of sin (God has concluded that all are sold under sin), but because of rejecting the salvation that God has provided through His Son. "He who believes on the Son has everlasting life: but he who does not believe on the Son will not see life; but the wrath of God abides upon Him." John 3:36
@YM 7 Job said very similar things during some of the worst calamities that could befall a very blessed man, but go and see what he said in his final analysis.
This video is a long long train wreck. I could not watch it all but most of it( Uhg !). Real simple. We have choices. We can either can be saved or not. God does not send people to hell, they send them selves. Everbody has a chance, If they reject Jesus, their out. Salvation is a gift not based on works or merit. this guy makes it sound you can be saved , but loose it. NOT SO.
The teaching of eternal conscious torment makes God even more evil than satan. It is extremely incompatible with a loving and just God. From this standpoint I really can understand why many people are atheists and don´t want to have anything to do with God. People who believe this follow God because of fear rather than love. Your motive should be love like Jesus teaches. Just look into the old hebrew/creek original bible texts and "tormented for ever and ever" literally changes to "tested for (limited) periods of time". Please just use your mind people, God would never allow 90% of humanity to be tormented without an end. Then Jesus would have failed miserably on the cross dying for (almost) nothing. In the end, every knee shall bow and every tounge confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord. That should tell you something...
Danmasterx19 that is absolutely 100% correct what you said about hell. This teaching of eternal torment is purely satanic. Satan started this lie to make God seem unloving and cruel to us. For one, it feeds a fear of the unknown. Some just fear what happens and thats their only motivation to do right. This also makes it easier for people today to put off caring about God or the future. When the consequences are far away, they choose to do what they please now. Its out of sight out of mind. This is all a part of Satans rebellion to turn us away from God, just as he did Adam and Eve. There are many other false teachings and outright lies about God, such as the trinity, the 3 in 1 God. I have an article to share, its entitled 'Lies that make God seem unlovable.' Please read, and share your thoughts. www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20131101/
I would love to see this mentioned more as it makes way more sense considering how "Satan" is supposedly represented, I mean what better way to turn humanity against "God" than to say that hell was created by him/her to torment them for finite crimes.
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10 Doesn't say explicitly (to all you eternal hell fire believers
Our creator, God almighty gives each human a taste of life, and Free will to make there own decisions. Every man knows he will die yet most reject God, the one who (created) them. The earth is like a womb where the eternal destination of souls is determined. Heaven or hell, according to what we do in our lifetime, but if we reject God, and his gift of eternal life, then ultimately we have no purpose.
@@godstuffs7385 You know that is utterly impertinent to what he referred? God creates people knowing they would go to hell, not existing is infinitely better than going to hell, heck even risking hell is infinitely undesirable for many people
@@SerendipitousProvidenceIn other words you're calling a PERFECT GOD who DIED a HORRIBLE DEATH for every person, as being Evil ?? You're evil for saying that. He wants NONE to perish. He creates. You just want to be STUBBORN and CHOOSE WRONG !
This is so frustrating to listen to. I've been a Christan all my life and I've been struggling with this question for years now. God cannot be a being of love if he creates men where he knows their free will ends up in eternal suffering. It was a simple question met with twelve minutes of theistic psychobabble.
The best answer to this question is. 👇 Isaiah 55:8-9 "FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS, SAITH THE LORD GOD. FOR AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS, & MY THOUGHTS THAN YOUR THOUGHTS." Amen.
This is the most honest answer anyone can give on the "WHY's" of God that aren't answered in the Bible. I find it laughable when Christians want to convert non-believers to Christ and when asked the hard questions, pastors either dance around the answer or say because "He's God, He can do whatever He wants, and we don't question God." Yeah, that's reassuring. SMH. It's a journey to get to the point of having full faith in the Lord (for those who believe there's a higher power out there)...it doesn't happen overnight. So when the hard questions are asked, just say you don't know. Geesh!
@@trishamorris5097 For now we see only a reflec tion as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 1 Corinthians 13:12
@@trishamorris5097 Well, actually there is an answer - maybe just not in the normal human form we'd like to have. You are asking a very important question, namely What is the point of it all? The bible gives you an extremely shocking answer - one that will make you wonder if God is a god of Love - until you sit down and think very, very carefully about it. Romans 9: 22 What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? 23 What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory? 24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? But look at the previous verses: Romans 9: 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. The key is this - God is sovereign and because mankind sinned, God is not bound by any prior commitment of so-called human "fairness" to save *_ANYONE!_* If you haven't already done so, think very, very carefully about this.
"I felt quite sure the creature I was looking at was what we called good. But I wasn't sure whether I *liked* goodness so much as I'd once supposed. This is a very terrible experience. As long as the thing you're afraid of is evil, you may still hope that the good will come to your rescue. But suppose you struggle through to the good, and find it to be just as dreadful. How, if food turns out to be the very thing you can't eat, or home the very place you can't live, or your very Comforter the One Who makes you uncomfortable. Then, indeed, there is no rescue possible. The last card has been played." Not my own quote.
When - any creator - give his creation: "The right to choose", he has taken away his ability - "To know for sure". That should not be too difficult to understand.
Aage152 this is the best answer I’ve come across. If God, our creator, who is all powerful gave us the right to CHOOSE our destiny, he may have taken away HIS OWN ABILITY to know our outcome. If HE is all powerful and all knowing he is fully capable of taking away HIS OWN ABILITY TO KNOW FOR SURE. This is arguable but this is a great answer. Thank you.
Tyler Billow: Thankyou for: . The positive response TO my comment - and . an excellent elaboration OF my comment. --- Thanks to your elaboration - you have taken away every possibility .. for a misunderstanding. It is seldom I experience this. You must be an intelligent man.
@Loriane: You are right, Loriane. That is the main rule AND as we know, that every rule has an exception. When God gave us, the right to choose, He MADE that exception - because: If God can say .. for sure - what we will do - then we don't have the right to choose. --- IF we don't have that right .. what is there to judge us for .. on the doomsday? Then - God will be responsible for every thing we do .. because we will not be responsible for our actions. HOW can we LEARN, under circumstances like that?
God gave us all free will. Taught us right from wrong and the free will to chose the path we want to take. Just like we know we will burn in a fire and chose not to walk right into it. So likewise we need to watch and pray so that we can walk in the right path and have everlasting life
No baby is born evil, we are all pure and innocent when we are born. God only has a beautiful picture for us, we make the wrong choices and fall off the beautiful path he has for us. He tries putting us back on that path, but we must let him help us. If we refuse to change and listen to that inner voice which is God speaking to our soul he cannot do more. I think that no human is born evil. We are all born to his image and Alikeness. We are all intelligent beings God is intelligence, if we decide to use it for evil, he cannot do more than try putting us back on our paths.
So you are telling me the kids that got raped by evil people God knew about it before he creates them, that these kids will be born and get raped but anyways he let it happen and created the kids in to this world? Where is the free will, did the kid under age asked to be raped? And if God is omnipresent, seeing everything and he is everywhere was he just watching while the kid is getting raped? The omnipotent all powerful God ? Really?
A LOT OF EXTRAPOLATION 1) @9:57’ reads REV 20: which says book of life , however personal interpretation is record of predestined to be in the book of life. GOD knows the end from the beginning, hence names in the book of life . 2) Romans 9:22 says What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? However note how he reads it says the word “CREATED” vessels of wrath but it is not, Simple understanding from here wicked will end up destructed . Romans 9:23 Predestination to salvation i.e vessels of mercy is certainly a doctrine of St. Paul, but he nowhere is predestination to destruction implied why ? Lets see There are 40 verses indicating judgement based on one deeds following is the link. bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Judgement-Day John 12:48 -He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. Some verses which show how the common vessels may be salved. Romans 2:4-Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance. If this is not true then it would not be JUDGEMENT DAY BUT SEGGREGATION DAY . Segregation of the already predestined . What is the point of JESUS’s death and resurrection if predestined to hell. example ;1) parable of rich man and lazarus - deeds and commandments 3) Parable of the lost sheep.- repentance of sinner
Free will. The Bible makes it very clear why people will go to hell. Even before humans were born, Satan did Not want to submit to God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but wanted to be a god himself; which takes in many forms, so God cast Satan out of heaven and he was destined for hell forever. So anyone who Does want to fully Surrender to God and believe in Christ who had to die for their sins as a perfect sinless sacrifice will be welcomed into heaven forever. Anyone that makes the "CHOICE" Not to submit to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are themselves "CHOOSING" to follow after Satan, the Anti-Christs, and the False Teachers in all kinds of churches/religeons will all go to hell with Satan.
Why would God create only the people who He knows that would choose Him? Because that would make Him selfish. So to answer the question. It’s easy. God loves mankind enough to give mankind a choice to love Him back.
He answered it very bluntly. You just don’t like the answer. God created people for the specific purpose of spending eternity in torment, to magnify his own glory. What he danced around is the morality of such a god. If you can’t stomach such an act, then you will follow the evidence and become a maltheist, like I did. It’s a terrifying existence.
Being as Evil as I Have Been I Wish I Was Never the Way I Was, But I Do Understand That I Made Choices, And I Take Accountability I Just Pray Jesus Will Give Me Grace and Mercy to Choose the Right Path Now that I Fully Understand How Bad Sin Can Take You, And I Really Wish I Would have Not Chosen This Route, Praying Hoping He is Willing to Redeem My Life.
There isn’t anyone Jesus can’t save! Turn your heart fully toward him. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide and direct your path. Turn from yourself and your ways to God and his ways. Jesus lays it all out for us in the Gospels. It’s not too late until it’s too late. Meaning as long as you have breath to breathe, YOU CAN CHOOSE JESUS! Surrender today! Get into a Bible teaching truth church. Not a fluff preaching feel good church. Jesus preached truth, not feel good theology. ❤️ He loves you! He sees you and he sees your heart!!! Come to him!!
@@meganfrump8178 Please Keep Me in Prayer I Am Turning to Christ With All I Know How, And Trusting Him That His Sacrifice Was and is Sufficient for Even My Worst Sin...This is My Only Hope, In Christ and What He Did For Us... Taking it Day By Day and Growing in Faith...I Am Grateful Just for Breath to Breathe My Actions Said I Don't Deserve it His Actions Said I Do, And I Believe.
@@SD_Chosen Heavenly Father, I come to right now in the presence of the Holy Spirit and I life of Shype to you! God you know ever last detail of his life. You formed him and created him. You love him more than he’ll ever fully understand and you desire for him to be with you in heaven! God, I pray right now that you would give Shype a peace and comfort that only you can give. God help him to see YOUR TRUTH, and that there isn’t any way he can earn a way into heaven, nothing we do here on earth is ever “good enough” father, take him in your arms. Let him feel your love and comfort. God show him the scriptures and what your word says! All are sinners, all deserve death, BUT JESUS! Jesus took our place, he took mine and Shype’s so that we, one day, will be in your presence. As he picks up his cross DAILY, as the Bible says we should, I pray he feels YOUR STRENGTH encompass him! That through you he knows he’ll be ok. And that his heart continues to seek you and your truth!!! Thank you Lord for his humbleness, thank you God that he ONOWS he needs a savior! And THANK YOU GOD for giving us that savior in Jesus!!! Thank you Jesus for going to the cross for our sins and for your blood to cover us 100%! God I pray right now that Shype is in your word, that he is studying what Jesus said, that he knows the good news. I pray that when he comes to something he doesn’t quite understand that he will bring it to you and rest in your sovereignty, in that you are all knowing, all powerful! And that you alone are good and want good things for Shype! God we know that through the Bible that you don’t want us to turn from sun because it is so good for us, no, sun HURTS US, and you hate to see us hurt! That’s why you desire for us to seek first the Kingdom of the Lord!! God we love you, we praise you, we thank you and we trust in you! You see our hearts you know us inside out. Show Shype today where he needs less of himself and more of you Lord! We love you Jesus, and we know that without your sacrifice salvation and life eternal with you and the father would be impossible. I pray for my brother Shype, I thank you for his boldness in asking and seeking prayer and you oh lord!! God help us all, who seek you to truly find you! Help us not to miss you, we love and it’s in Jesus’ name we pray! Amen.. ❤️
Mark 9:43-48 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into (hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:) 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into (hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:) 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be (cast into hell fire:) 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Not everything is predestined. God gave a human his own will, and it is that human's choice whether to do deeds that will lead to a life in Hell or to not do them.
Why would I care what some kid killer, or jealous, possessive god, who slays people for bringing the wrong INCENSE to a ceremony, thinks, though, @Timid Jawa ? Speaking hypothetically, that is. I mean, that is just ONE god candidate, too, among many - and by one type of Christianity, or more...
@@Candidd889 Yes, I think God doesn't know what choices humans will make. He knows the variety of options and their consequences, but he can only predict humans behavior.
I don't get why God doesn't show more people his love. Most people in my opinion aren't deliberately trying to not choose God or be super selfish. Most people in my opinion simply aren't given a fair chance to know God because the devil messes with them so much. And they're supposed to go to hell for that? God created hell and the devil. I get murderers and rapists and abusers etc., but it doesn't seem fair for so many people to be destined to suffer for eternity for something completely out of their control.
God gave us all a very good conscience....Sometimes we need to go outside of the box we we're brought up from and explore other places....our answers will be found..
My Pygmy mind sometimes feels great sadness for God. How lonely it must’ve been and boring. He did not want that same burden for all of us. Our suffering our struggles and then prevailing with his guidance and mentorship while growing and orienting ourselves to him is what makes existence fun and meaningful for both parties. He did not want to surround himself in perpetuity with automatons but with free willed beings that chose him and wanted him. This is done through our current existence a test that requires bad actors to make it interesting but also provide the trials and tribulations for those chosen few. That is my best attempt at answering that question friends.
Trillions burning for eternity seems like a very steep price to pay just to "escape boredom and make the test interesting." I'm not trying to be flip. I'm not accusing God of wrongdoing. It just doesn't make sense that a good existence for so few justifies the condemnation of so many when all of it could have been averted.
People go to hell because they prefer their sin to God. They love darkness instead of light, because their deeds are evil (John 3:19). Jesus said that "this is the condemnation".
Still, how is it justifiable to throw a living being into eternal punishment for the mistakes it made in such a tiny lifespan? This sounds very very hard and unloving to me. I can imagine that a god of love and unending intelligence would find a better soultion to the problem of sin than eternal torture. It's hard to comprehend for me...
Tony Maccaroni satan controls sin, the world is evil that is why it’s so tempting , god is there to give us a way out he wants to save us. If we repent our sins and accept him into our hearts he will save us. He knows we aren’t perfect and he will forgive. Now that’s a loving God. He gave us free will we created the mess we are in . It has nothing to With God he wants to give us a way out.
@@n-plane And there might not be anything wrong with that. The Bible says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom. Saved people will have eternity to explore how high and wide and deep the love of God is. Here on Earth, it may actually just be easier to relate to God through fear (reverence), as opposed to love.
@Rajeev Sah: I cannot find your comment, so I answer your question, this way: Your Question:"Then how he knew Peter's and Judas's sin before they did it.? " ... This is a very good question, and the answer to it - is logical. Even though God - cannot say with 100% certainty what we will choose, He knows us so well, that He is seldom wrong, in His guesses. --- IN THIS CASE, He had an advantage. He could see - what they were thinking in their heart(s).
I’m not very experienced with the Bible but from what I’ve learned so far is that god gave us free will and Jesus Christ Maybe god doesn’t create us. Because of free will, we make each other and god introduces himself with the gospel and it’s up to us to believe it? Very interesting question but that’s my view on it
God never created people to be evil. God created people to be independent and have independent thoughts. Through their independency they chose to do evil instead of good. In the Apocrypha God talks about separating himself the light in the darkness and placing the light as the greater thing in the darkness as the lesser thing. and he placed the light at the top, and the darkness at the bottom of the Earth.he chose for the good to rule and for the evil to be under its foot. Humans have the same choice but some choose to have the darkness rule and the light under the foot.
The answer is simple.. There is no eternal torment in hell. How can you say God, who wishes all the be saved and none to perish..would ever not get his way. Oh because hell is a Refiners Oven.. And God is going to refine everyone through it
@ Glory To GOD When God had a plan for mankind he did not want to force them to obey. He gave Adam and Eve instructions and told them what not to do and what to do. When God created angels he did not give them a choice. They were created in a spiritual being holy unto God. God knew Good and Evil so he made the angels to know the same. Satan chose the evil he knew about because God wanted them to know like himself. God told them many things, but he did not tell them everything. Satan thought because he knew the things...that he knew the secret of God and was going to make his throne higher than God since God gave him a throne. God knew what was going to happen, but it didn't change his love for Satan before Satan did it because it was a choice Satan made that he saw in the future. The angels was not to go against God and God hoped they wouldn't go against his rule even though he knew they would because he foresees. God allow things to take its course because he is a good God. He did not destroy Satan and his angels before he already knew it was going to take place. God did not give the angels a choice. They were to straight up be righteous. They were made heavenly, but they knew to do good and evil.When God made man he did not create man in the spiritual. He formed us from the dirt. So instead of forcing us he gave us a choice. He is doing humans another way. He gave us choice to choose life or to die. He did not tell Adam and Eve about the tree of life but he put it in the midst so they would have physically live forever if they had eaten it before Satan tempted them to take their mind off of God's instructions to live, but they chose the tree of evil and good. Satan wanted Eve to do what he did and choose evil. . Angels knew evil and Good, but not Adam and Eve. Angels were not suppose to choose evil even though they were created to know the difference because God made them like him. God gave man favor of being formed in his likeness (to be spiritual) but in the image of God but in the flesh. Since the angels chose to do evil when they were created righteous that was an abomination. So man was not forced by God and he said if you want life eternal just do what I say, but I'm going to let you choose to obey or not. Just don't eat the tree of knowledge and evil or you will die. No more will he force. Freedom will this time. Satan will continue to pull you from me, but walk the straight path where it leads to righteousness. It will be tempting because the wide gate has the things your flesh desires, but obey me and you will not lose. This is your test. This is the way I want this to be this time I come this way and I see that it is good because it pleases me. Others choose the easy path because they feel its hard to avoid things that will cause your life to perish. Bible saids woe unto the habitanrs of he earth for the devil comes down to you with his wrath.
@@cherryheart3 And what did He EXPECT to happen, if Eve did not know good from evil, or who else she was 'choosing' for? In ways no angel ever was asked to 'choose for' other angels, before they are born, or to alter or impair their nature? And why was Satan created with delusional suicidal pride, and ignorance, either? And would you, I or Glory to... even exist, if they had not left Eden, and begun reproducing in the modern way? Did Eve even know yet, what death was, meaningfully, too.
@@chrissonofpear1384 🙂 I was not speaking of Adam's fall and Eve's fall or even evil. I was just making a statement regarding the guy who washes his hands before touching the Bible out of respect for God. So my example is Cain and Able's gift to God how God excepted the one gift because it was done out of respect. Example: as God knows people have bad breath and people pray to God and he hears and still receive. Some may say God doesn't care about breath and I say true because he designed man, but if a person say I respect you God and I love you more than people so instead of brushing my teeth for man's sake only.... I'm going to brush for you and you're greater. God will respect the approach even better than the first approach with bad breath. Morale of story...it's a good and blessed thing and respect to wash hands before picking up Bible, but you don't have to. Nothing wrong with it.
@@cherryheart3 Anyway, please clarify what you WERE speaking of. Also, how much respect do two BROKEN humans provide, who cannot see this God, initially, and are born (not by choice) with a 'sin nature' too - in Cain's case? And if no death was to occur on Earth originally, how does reproduction work too - and to what upper limit? For humans or all other life.
I used to ask this question myself but then I realized God isn't going to withhold the possibility of some going to Heaven for the sake of those who reject him and go to hell. Those who go to hell are doing so based on their own accord anyway so God isn't to blame. I found the parable of the wheat and the tares to be EXTREMELY helpful when answering this question. (Matthew 13:27-30) In summary of this parable Jesus is saying if you take away all the tares (unbelievers/ evil doers ) from the field you might uproot the wheat ( believers/ those who will come to Christ) with them. Both grow together and even those who choose to reject Christ still in some way play a role in those people lives who will come to Christ.
What makes an unbeliever evil, then, @Bunny Official , and which Christianity or soteriology, or Christology, are they not believing in, either? Which is the 'right' or most 'inerrant' one, too? And why give up half of Christendom, at times, seemingly, to 'wrong' ones, too...
What you're saying is a complete paradox. "Those who go to hell are doing so based on their own accord anyway so God isn't to blame." Perhaps a logical statement but it doesn't change the point, which is that God knows who will reject him and go to hell before they even come into existence. The question is, why bring a person into existence, even if the person has free will, God know what that person will do with their free will and ultimately where they will end up. Eternity is incomprehensible, a loving God (don't get me wrong, I do believe in God and believe he wants the best for all) who will "allow" a person to come into existence well knowing they will suffer endlessly forever and ever after death. Instead of the perfect answer I simply believe our minds will never be able to comprehend the true nature of this question. Like an ant, no matter what, will never comprehend why humans do what we do.
@@jy1240 Precisely. They NEVER seem to get this. And then there's all this sketchy 'natural man' crap, from 1 Corinthians 2:14. Which on the surface CONTRADICTS Romans 1:20's claims, about nature, and also, most humans had no CHOICE in being born/made natural men. But all angels did. And they certainly didn't all believe the 'logic' in Romans 1:20, or at least, the rebel ones didn't. But most humans are born not knowing which god is real, or how many, so the 'attitude of rebellion' cannot relate to that. In short, yes, it is silly, somewhat.
Ultimately it’s about a relationship, not just believing in. We can believe in a lot of things, but how has your belief in God, in Jesus, in walking with the Holy Spirit changed who you are? Are you dying to your desires daily? Do you pray and seek the direction of the Holy Spirit? Are you a known sinner who repents and KNOWS you need a savior? Has Jesus become your savior? The Bible is clear that even the demons believed in Jesus. The demons knew Jesus’ voice… but until we have a fully surrendered heart, we aren’t truly saved from anything. I hope this makes sense? Helps a little? I don’t believe anyone who just believes in God, will go to Heaven. How do we live? Are we living for ourselves or for God? The Bible is so clear on this and gives us a beautiful guide on how to live ❤️ I really hopes this helps…
“Believing in God” does not get anyone into heaven. Satan believes in God and he ain’t goin there! Faith in what Jesus did on the cross for us gets us to heaven!
I get how God must punish crimes. I get that the soul is fixed in its direction after death. I dont get how an allknowing, all poweful and loving god can let people who end up in hell be born. Surely mercy would be to only let people capable of redemtion be born?
Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. He created them to glorifying himself as a righteous judge.
I believe that God does so many things in the background in order to prevent hell. I cannot imagine life without a hell. I have a problem with an everlasting hell, though. But if rapists and murderess were released after one billion years would they love God? The answer is NO. I wish the torments were a lot less.
Rapsists and murderers can be forgiven at Earth. God forgives all. But if you reject God ( Jesus) you alone go to a place without his presence which is all bad stuff ( hell).
Deborous Patterson jr- God created evil before He created man & foreknew that man would sin. He also provided for the penalty for sin to redeem his creation before the foundation of the earth. (ALL) back to His family. ALL have sinned & come short of the glory of God. In Adam ALL die & Jesus died for ALL to be made alive again. It is ALL in the bible & revealed to believers by the Holy Spirit.
Deborous Patterson jr. Yes! But God foreknew that man would sin. & provided the means for redemption through Jesus His Son. The "LAMB (JESUS CHRIST) OF GOD WAS SLAIN FROM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD". Thank God for His salvation that is the good news (Gospel). 1 Timothy 4:10 & many others.
Good thing. As Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua and Exodus 21 were all pretty rubbish. Also, why does Romans 1:20 make so little sense? Nature was not SOLELY controlled by God - so James 3:15 and other verses imply. So why should it be an infallible guide to sceptics?
My take on it is God created us to be fruitful, have a relationship with him and be HOly and inhabit the earth, we lost our grace when Adam and Eve ate from the tree and got deceived by the devil. He created us perfect and to go to heaven but he gave us free will. Adam and Eve cursed us when they disobeyed God , therefore God provided provision by sending Jesus to save those of us who became lovers of the truth and decided to repent of our sin and believe in his son. He didn’t create it to be this way. We chose it. But then he still sent Jesus to save us .That’s just what I think.
@@Godisreal123 It is written in the bible that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Don't think that God has any pleasure when people go to hell.
if you are sitting under condemnation based breaching disguised as grace, get up and leave, and know that your eternal security is essential doctrine, God himself says so
I ask every pastor this if there god really do this he is a cruel individual are he isn’t as powerful as they make him to be why creat me if u know m going to hell thats just torture
A LOT OF EXTRAPOLATION 1) @9:57’ reads REV 20: which says book of life , however personal interpretation is record of predestined to be in the book of life. GOD knows the end from the beginning, hence names in the book of life . 2) Romans 9:22 says What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? However note how he reads it says the word “CREATED” vessels of wrath but it is not, Simple understanding from here wicked will end up destructed . Romans 9:23 Predestination to salvation i.e vessels of mercy is certainly a doctrine of St. Paul, but he nowhere is predestination to destruction implied why ? Lets see There are 40 verses indicating judgement based on one deeds following is the link. bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Judgement-Day John 12:48 -He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. Some verses which show how the common vessels may be salved. Romans 2:4-Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance. If this is not true then it would not be JUDGEMENT DAY BUT SEGGREGATION DAY . Segregation of the already predestined . What is the point of JESUS’s death and resurrection if predestined to hell. example ;1) parable of rich man and lazarus - deeds and commandments 3) Parable of the lost sheep.- repentance of sinner
@@Caleb2omega so what about folks who have never heard of Jesus? Are they meant to be in Hell. Does that mean my distant forefathers who never heard of Christ are doomed to eternal suffering?
It wouldn’t be fair to let non believers at least exist while at the same time giving them the potential to be inspired by his divine presence. Its free will so everyone in the end has a chance.
He is a LOT more strict and less compassionate than I thought He was. He expects a lot out of us. Terrifying. It's the most traumatizing thing I have ever experienced in my life- and I've experienced a ton of trauma.
Laborer in the field- Yes! And God wills that none perish but ALL come to repentance. And they will for every knee will bow & every tongue will confess that Jesus is LORD to the glory of God.
Yes, that's what came to my mind also. Satan's will is for Christians to possess a prideful arrogance. It is disrespectful to God, to think that we could ever comprehend the reasoning of his will. You would have to think that you were equal to God, to be able to understand. Sound familiar? Prideful arrogance is an attribute of Satan...not Jesus.
A LOT OF EXTRAPOLATION 1) @9:57’ reads REV 20: which says book of life , however personal interpretation is record of predestined to be in the book of life. GOD knows the end from the beginning, hence names in the book of life . 2) Romans 9:22 says What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? However note how he reads it says the word “CREATED” vessels of wrath but it is not, Simple understanding from here wicked will end up destructed . Romans 9:23 Predestination to salvation i.e vessels of mercy is certainly a doctrine of St. Paul, but he nowhere is predestination to destruction implied why ? Lets see There are 40 verses indicating judgement based on one deeds following is the link. bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Judgement-Day John 12:48 -He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. Some verses which show how the common vessels may be salved. Romans 2:4-Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance. If this is not true then it would not be JUDGEMENT DAY BUT SEGGREGATION DAY . Segregation of the already predestined . What is the point of JESUS’s death and resurrection if predestined to hell. example ;1) parable of rich man and lazarus - deeds and commandments 3) Parable of the lost sheep.- repentance of sinner
@@firstaidsack He called me many times and I resisted . I got a job once that had Christians working there. I finally got saved but had I kept saying no , the Holy Spirit would no longer call me .
There is hope. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.” -John 3:16-21 All you must do is repent(change your mind about trusting in whatever you're trusting to make you right with a holy God) and believe on the Son.
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God John 1:12
The better question is why would man reject Christ? This is the judgement “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” John 3:19 Men choose darkness over the light because they are workers of evil and are afraid of the light shining on them and their darkness.
We all reject god some how in our wicked acts, every sin that we committed is a rejection to god, and every continuation of our wicked deeds, is also a continue rejection to god, unless we stop and ask god for help and away from our sins.
@@marioriedow3234 We would only sin because we were born with the sin nature or flesh. We didn't ask to be born,we had no free will to be born into sin. We weren't born like Adam without sin,and made a choice. I understand you can't answer this question,but to make excuses and give ridiculos answers doesn't help anyone understand better. It says in the bible Ezekiel 18 1-19 that the son shouldn't be held accountable for the father's sin. But that is exactly what is happening
