Why you can't find a job in tech (as a software engineer). It's all a scam 

liked your conten but I needed some sort of solution. I have graduated in 2022 but still jobless. I was selected in a company but they didn't send me any joining letter and my 4-5 months got wasted. Then I thought of joining a BootCamp and upskill myself but I am still jobless.

it will only get worse with AI taking the high end jobs and imported labor taking the low end jobs they want a socialist nation!!!! and if our votes DO NOT MATTER it will be a communist nation

Hi, why do you think they flood the market with these absurd requests? I'd love to hear your opinion.

😂😂

Vote Democrat and has a hard time finding a job lol.

Dont be shy, post the name of the business. we need to leave nasty reviews

@@JuanGonzalez-ru6ie It was 10 years ago and the company sadly went out of business. It was a Florida based company that did event planning and convention display, kiosk, and POS systems. Oh yeah, I did forget to mention, the owner told me during the interview, that part of the job required travel to different cities in Florida. So, not only did I have to program the computers for each event (which alone is a daunting task because every convention is different with different requirements) but I then had to load the equipment from the warehouse, drive from Orlando to Miami (for example) to install and set up the various systems for the conventions. Then I would have had to stay in a hotel overnight on-call (unpaid by the way), waiting just in case something goes wrong with the equipment or software and the convention needed me. I remember asking if they provided a company vehicle, car or truck. He said I would need to provide my own vehicle and it would need to be big enough to haul the equipment, but...I'd be reimbursed for gas. Whoo freaking hoo. I only remember these details because this was my first job interview after I graduated with my Bachelor's degree in computer science. There was actually nothing wrong with the company, it was how this guy was running it. He literally had THREE different jobs that he was trying to hire only ONE person to do. Job One: Programming the computers for each convention. Job Two: Load the truck, drive the equipment to the conventions and set up. Job Three: Clean the warehouse and maintain the equipment. And even 10 years ago $22,000 a year was just not enough. And apparently other people thought so too because the job seemed to always be open. The job posting would disappear for a few weeks, then suddenly be back open and available. I guess somebody somewhere accepted it only to quit later.

That is fucking horrid oml

You want to make sure that the employer can actually cut you a check on the scheduled pay date. The thing with entry level software jobs, is that you have a legitimate excuse for jumping ship in a year because your explanation is that you now need a higher salary to support your lifestyle. Also, In this situation I would want my job title, and job duties written down on paper, so that if things go bad, the employer couldn't claim that you were the janitor. Plus never work for "Shares" in a startup company. Someone can offer to pay you in 5000 shares of a startup, and even if the shares are only worth a dollar, you will have to report them to the IRS, and pay taxes on them.

Programmer/janitor. Talk about unicorns

A very good point. Lots do use actual projects as interview tasks...

It's Definitely A SCAM.

I'd suggest, not releasing the source code if possible. Demo the project and maybe show the code in screen share, but don't give them copies

This is something I’ve seen in other industries as well. They should be ashamed and it should be illegal.

I feel differently here. 1) huge risk of copyright infringement claim if caught as there is no IP assignment agreement on file and 2) it would take as much work to review the quality of work before using it in a product given the employer has no prior knowledge of the competency of the applicant. I would never allow code into myh codebase from someone I don't know without investing in someone studying it. 3) how can code possibly be incorporated unless access is given to the existing codebase as the new code needs to fit into it?

Im not from america, but i don't think this behaviour will help you. You have to speak out and protest

@@leonardo2108I agree. I’m stuck on where we go from here. The time to stand for change is now. I just lack the knowledge for the solutions and am seeking knowledge. It’s all rotten.

if you cant beat them, join them and play it dirty

16 years ago, it wasn’t as difficult as it is now. 16 years ago you didn’t need 5 years for an entry level position. 16 years ago you didn’t have a global pandemic which screwed everything up. It’s a different ball game now.

They can validate your experience through a simple background check

Start selling certificates. I think about it.

If it makes you feel better, I've been in the tech industry 11 years and I'm wanting out. My career is not progressing and I just don't have the patience or the personal interest to keep learning stuff I don't care about, just for a job I probably don't want. There is nothing in tech that's grabbing me anymore and I am totally sick tired of computers. My major worry is that I have absolutely no idea what I want to do instead. And cybersecurity absolutely hamstrings your private life with all these legal agreements and government clearance hoops you have to jump through. It's suffocating. There is a level of security clearance in my country where they interview you about the p0rn you're into, you cannot have partners of certain nationalities or ethnic backgrounds, you can't leave the country without permission (you have to give them an itinerary and some countries are banned) and if you get into ANY financial trouble they revoke it. That's not a life. At my former employer anyone cleared to that level gets an immediate 5% payrise to compensate them for the inconvenience.

@@halfbakedproductions7887 Say averything they to heat, collect as many data as it is possible then sell it everywhere. I would do so.

@@halfbakedproductions7887 "My major worry is that I have absolutely no idea what I want to do instead." This is by far my BIGGEST ISSUE as well... right out of high school, I was told I didn't have high grades enough marks for uni programs... Then in college there weren't many options for science, still I tried.. after graduating realized industrial/applied Sciences just weren't worth it, I went into Tech. Even studied at Lighthouse Labs for FS-Web Development.... But Literally there is no one hiring, most, if not all my classmates went back to whatever they were doing before or if they were young enough back to school, with the exception of people that were already in the tech field somehow. I cant help thinking I made a huge mistake wasting time getting into tech. But like you I have no clue what else to do or study (if that's even an option). I find myself regretting the path taken and sometimes wonder about joining the armed forces (if I even make the cut, that is). I know regret will get us no-where, but I also know that no one has the answers to my (our) problems...

Definitely. I think the more people call them out on it, the better. I was thinking about actually emailing the companies to ask them to comment about it.

Agreed.

@@codingwithdee facts what should freshers do now , when there are only few colleges which gives you practical knowledge , and some families can't afford to buy high end laptops or computer systems what should they do just pay colleges fees which are getting costly than a houses right now , should only financially good families students should learn education right now ? .. a simple decent laptop is very costly and prices. rising each year

By "entry level" they mean "entry level pay"

thanks for the flagging idea +1

You Got it.

There aren't that many jobs in tech, and entry level even less. You got like hundreds of applications for 1 entry level position. Unless you graduated from a prestigious engineering college, it will be hard to get noticed in the sea of applications. College alma mater matters for entry level jobs.

It’s legalized theft.

Yea and don't forget about how racist some of them ! Only accept their kinds, its really frustrating .

@@weil46asians are the most racist then YTs so imagine everyone who isnt neither

There are some roles where they already have a specific candidate they want to hire, but the role has to be advertised publicly and opened to everyone in order to comply with employment law and HR policy. The person you _do_ want also has to go through the official hiring motions anyway and can technically be rejected. And at my organisation you'd be a Band 1 Widget Polisher and apply for a role as a Band 2 Lead Screw Tightener. What then happens is the Screw Tightening team interview you. They then just promote someone they already had and you are "invited to apply" (i.e. given sloppy seconds) for that person's old Band 1 Screw Tightener role. But they don't know when that role will be available on the internal job board, we'll be in touch but keep your eyes peeled. That's not a promotion and not what I applied for. "F" off and stop wasting my time like that.

You could make that without a degree and school loans.

It's what the market can handle. If a lot of people enter the field, salaries drop

@@GladeSwope that’s how I got laid off. HR causally saying I could apply for unemployment but they’ll keep the visa employee because if he got laid off, he’d have to scramble to find a job before his visa ran out. He was a good smart worker so I didn’t say anything.

@@GladeSwope Not much to tell. HR let it slip. Our project was scrapped and with layoffs, only a few could stay. Manager and coder on Visa. I thought finding a new job would be no problem but the layoffs continued and hiring from other companies became intense and ridiculous.

Um that's too low with 0 experience lol......no experience CS major should be making 60K minimum adjusted for inflation (especially if they have a college degree or big projects with certifications)!

Entry Level is ENTRY LEVEL; Not "Experienced" there Should be NO EXPERIENCE Required.

@@jenniferlorence1950 this.

Go work at Taco Bell. They are hiring.

@@DakotaFord592 This comment makes you sound like a douche. Do you think you are above fast food workers?

Cause their all managed by oriental people and they hire their own.

lol

AI will never do construction and the need for handymen or builders will decrease only when we enter communism completely and start living in apartment blocks that are assembled from pre-fabricated pods. I'm guessing there, 30-40 years of construction left.

Same shoes all jobs required more than 2 years for entry position

Can’t tell you how depressed I get every time I see a rejection email.

@@muccigane2351 you get back an email?

​@@muccigane2351i almost get happy at this point. At least they sent a response....

@@muccigane2351you are not alone and do you CS have degree ?

But where to get money from otherwise? 😢

@cannotwest I gave up but not for nothing. I am currently working on the business I've had since 2016. I simply apply what I learned on my own website. I am also a painter so I'm confident I will make something out of it. Plus, I actually feel very good about my choice. I'd tell you to be creative and find or create something that will allow you to apply your knowledge on.

I'm wondering if those other applicants are fake to make the position look more in demand.

@themastermason1 there is a lot of foul stuff going on on the market. That is possible.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have any possible solutions to these problems to assist our job market?

It's very possible they have one lead developer, but you need at least 2 for business continuity. What do they do if the one person is on holiday when shit hits the fan?

@@Bozebo simple…you go on leave too. This sadly is how it works in the government my friend.

@@zaraki942 if i was doing it all over again i would go either as a db guy or admin guy

@@zaraki942 Hate to break it to you and hope you are not too far in. Comp sci degree is a waste of money unless you plan to go to graduate school and do AI. If you plan to just get your bachelors and land a job , your chances are not that much higher than people that went to coding bootcamps lol. You don't need to get a coding job. You are better offer with an engineering degree because engineering jobs require it and also becoming a state licensed engineer requires it. Coding jobs don't have license requirements or even requirement for a CS degree. Engineering degree is best bang for your buck, because you can't be an engineer without coding now. You can easily fit coding into engineering curriculum. With CS degree is most likely just pigeon hole yourself into unemployment if you can't find a CS job because entry level and low level programming jobs are disintegrating with every year that passes and with the advent of AI they will be non-existent in the future, and the only positions left will be mid to senior developer roles

It's because companies have stopped training new engineers years ago, so nobody makes it to Senior anymore. There's a shortage of qualified senior engineers because no software companies invest in the careers of their employees.

Yep, it's a pain to get a job in Engineering especially a fresh graduate with On-the-job work experience

It's not just about pay or training, it's also about psychology. If you have the experience and are willing to settle for less money then you're probably willing to put up with the abuse and long hours they will expect you to put in which is an unwritten requirement... i

Yea, they want to have their cake and eat it too. Hire only experienced people and no entry level. Because they're only looking at the quarterly profits, nothing long term. They will wake up one day to little to no experienced people.

It was a hopeful estimate, as I was 18 when I finished HS, and finished an AAS in 1 year, thus I will be 20 when I finish my BS

soon people will avoid tech degrees like a plague

It’s dead to it’s citizens.

Where is the data on this. You’re quoting some random information I definitely need to see some citations for this.

They do it because our government makes it easy and attractive to do to import labor when it’s not necessary.

In the UK this is one of the reasons for stupid job requirements - if they get people applying domestically who meet the spec it's illegal for them to sponsor a visa to fill the position.

Your non-professional experience might just be good quality. Developers really need to be able to... actually develop. The vast majority of applicant simply can't do it (regardless of experience, unless it's a lot like 10+ yrs you can't expect anything) and that's the problem, a github repo of a sandbox from one react tutorial they did isn't a "portfolio" xD

@@Bozebo I did a test there and I think that's why I got it. However, the test was very easy, asking things like "Name 3 primitive datatypes". Whatever, I can't complain.

You got lucky

All I have to say this was my experience as well. However, I basically submitted 100s of resumes to get the job I wanted. By the end of it I had 2 job offers with no experience

@@Rust_Rust_Rust I sent around 20 applications. I was told Mathematicians easily find a job, but that's wrong as far as I know. Apparently, as with any profession, work experience is everything.

Can you provide citations on this data

last time i bent down my asshole got hurt

That is not going to happen. Corporations run America. The entire Vietnam War was started by the Defense Industrial Complex to drive weapon sales. The bottom line is the only thing that matters in the West.

There’s not. The prospective employer holds all the cards. If you get laws passed calling this illegal the companies will insist you sign your rights away on the application. They already do that for new hires.

@@GladeSwope Might as well get decent GRE scores and treat it like it's a Cisco or CompTIA certificate.

@@GladeSwope Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

​@@redrevyolhe is saying they increase the requirements and decrease the incentives so they can hire cheap, foreign labor, thus favoring them by discriminating against thr domestic population.

@@iguess2739 Politicians and companies aren't looking for solutions, the only thing they're interested are their bank accounts.

care to explain this? employer?

btw I'm the best programmer in the middle Europe. And I'm going support it industry with unlimited workforce resources. Best qulity, right from WS. I'm working on my first "project". Blocked on many websites.